Apple Versus the Department of Justice
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DOJ using ChatGPT to file its lawsuits be like:
“Dear Apple,
I hope this law suit fines you well…”
More like “Dear Apple,
I hope this lawsuit finds you well before I find you.”
😂
Well, google watches will work on all Android phones regardless of manufacturer, but apple's watch only works on one manufacturer's phone.
Sure, but google watches work better on certain phones and not on others to the point they just tend to disconnect from time to time, making them a hassle. Samsung watches have way more features if you pair them with other Samsung-phones. There's just way less variables if you stay within 1 ecosystem, be it Samsung or Apple, which makes different appliances work way better together.
@@DobuDobuDobuDot he isnt gonna reply lmfao
just another coward with no clue what they are talking about
İ opened waveform clips telling my self I'm going to take a 5 min break from studying
İ just realized it's been 25 min
I have been waiting for so many days, to listen to you talk about this.... finally
A 38 minute video on why everyone needs a lesson about antitrust laws.
Yeah it seems most people, (Including tech influencers) does not know how antitrust and monopolies work
it sounds like you don’t either 😂
@@supitschillbro Oooo it does, can't wait to hear this :)
First time I've ever felt like mkbhd has no idea what he's talking about tbh. "they only care because of their market share".....yes....thats sort of obvious by the lawsuit itself. In other news, man is only charged with murder because the other guy isnt alive.
As an Apple user, I don't understand why ANYONE would defend Apple in this. If they lose, then everyone wins, no matter what devices you are using. No matter what you are using right now, you are already being punished and paying more because of Apple's practices. Their price hikes lower the bar for everyone to pay more. Think about the price hike in the last iPads, for example. Tests (including ones on MKBHD's channel) showed m2 was slower in some aspects and yet we're now conditioned to pay more for the same product. Apple Pay is also funnelling their money from every transaction happening on the planet. I will keep using iPads to paint, but I hope they are forced to change their ways because of this.
I see a lot to lose. Apple could be closer to be just another smartphone company instead of being Apple as we know it
it's called CAPITALISM. Make the best product and let the market (people) decide.
I'm a samsung user. I would like to try an apple watch on my phone. What scares me is that, if I want to go to apple, I can't transfer game data ect.
Capitalism requires functional markets, it requires competition. And therefor it requires antitrust regulations.
And Apple is running afoul of this antitrust legislation.
You are defending Apple's right to create a product as they envision it. But Apple is killing lots and lots of potential innovation from other companies by being a gatekeeper and keeping anything that could potentially compete with their products, off the market.
And you, as a consumer lose out, along with those (potential) companies.
@@voodoodiscoThats idealism, in the real world capitalism a company wins and creates a monopoly that prevents further competition.
Soon Waveform Clips will start becoming their own podcasts
What is a Clip?
Part of something bigger, a part of a long podcast episode for example.
@@po1ntuit's a rhetorical question 😂 because it's almost 40mins long
@@emmanuelomolaju7797 They did like 4 or 5 or so topics, More of a "segment" than a clip I suppose
@@Riley_ChristianActually a "clip" is an uninterrupted piece of video taken from a longer video. The moment you split it a 4-hour video into two 2-hour videos you've got two 2-hour clips. 😅
@@ROVideos yea I don't disagree with that at all, I more so meant to elaborate. It just has all the context that "clips" often lack
The video is too clean, it made my eye hurt.
What's the other eye doing?
@@DobuDobuDobuDot 🤣🤣🤣 eyes, I gave two bruh.
Disagree on NFC issue - like in Europe now, there is absolutely no need to use the detour via Apple Pay if you can use your own bank's app for making payments. You can even think of the bank charging you for using Apple Pay instead of their app in the future.
10:17 That (games being malware) is categorically incorrect, and can never be the case with game streaming. Because none of the game code is running on device and only the video is being streamed to the device, it can do no harm to the user. The concerns are exactly the same as videos on Netflix, prime etc. or eBooks on kindle - content moderation. Which Apple doesn't do.
The reason they actually don't want it to happen is:
1. They don't get a cut of all the games if they were individually downloaded.
2. Easy to move to a different platform if all your services are in cloud or highly unified. E.g. Xbox cloud gaming, super apps.
13:32 That's exactly why Microsoft was sued - you're not allowed to use your monopoly position in one market (desktop OS) to gain ufair advantage and crush competitiors in others (internet browsers). The same thing with smartphones and smart watches
Microsoft was a true monopoly with 93% of the market in the late 1990s. Apple is not even close to being a monopoly with 20% of world smartphone market. To be considered a monopoly a company must have upwards 90% market share, otherwise they are just a competitive company. To the extent the government continues to use the nonsense logic that Apple is a monopoly, the will lose this case. This battle was already fought in the Epic case, and Apple won easily.
Which they still do by making Edge Default after Updates, Making it hard to switch others to be Default (Firefox, Chrome, Brave etc etc!), Messages saying Chrome is less Secure, Less Fast, More Resource Heavy etc etc
I believe they made ir possible to uninstall due to something the EU complained about... May be wrong?
@@DarthAwar But it's not the same anymore. Back then we're still talking about dial-up being the main access to the internet. Meaning it would take you like 3 hours to download Netscape or whatever. Microsoft knew that having THEIR browser pre-installed was a SERIOUS advantage over the competitors. Why even bother with competitors when it'd take so much time when you have this other option already? Especially with Windows purposely making other things run worse. Quicktime was a gawdamn JOKE on PC.
I remember trying to watch the Star Wars Phantom Menace trailer. Spent like 5 hours downloading the HQ version and discovering it to be like this tiny 3inx3in box with a pixelated mess....even for the sorry CRT monitors back then it was a horrible mess. Only to find out that's because Microsoft WANTED it that way.
@@DarthAwarI mean yes, but them saying less fast and more resource heavy, while hostile, can’t be sued over, because it’s true, I use chrome, mostly because I’m used to it, but Microsoft edge does hold a heavy advantage in speed and resource management
There's way too many points in this where someone's caping for apple.
It's good that someone else pushed back, but why is an individual defending a trillion dollar companies clearly mischievous tactics as if deprecating basic features for competitors is expected.
Ya, Marquise is the biggest apple fanboy. He used to be very subtle with it. But now very open about it
Well, if you are in the group that enjoy Apple product and services you would be afraid of losing the very things on it that you enjoy.
@@manart6506So the thing you enjoy about apple products is the fact that have less freedom to do what you want? And here I thought it was their actual products people liked.
@@SuperSviki I don’t know who said that. I didn’t. There is a lot… resumed as “the ecosystem” but it is a lot of things, the build quality, how the software works, the pleasing design in every thing. Exclusive apps. Services like AppleTV+.
@@manart6506 if you stop dik riding apple, you would have more features and more competetion.
Apple's identity as a system that 'just works' is predicated on their insanely petty nature of hamstringing hardware and software to not work (well) with anything else, then blaming it on Microsoft or non-Apple manufacturers. Remember how sending a file to Windows required the 8.3 naming scheme more than a decade after Micosoft had stopped using it? Sometimes I'll look back and see promising products pulled from the market because certain features didn't work that well on Apple at any rate, while knowing it was more likely Apple screwing with them. It's pretty amazing they've gotten away with it this long. I still think Microsoft Phone OS was really good, but you couldn't get a reviewer to endorse it because it didn't work well with their Macbook Pros.
"I still think Microsoft Phone OS was really good, but you couldn't get a reviewer to endorse it because it didn't work well with their Macbook Pros." sounds more like your opinion. if not, post links with factual data.
The Microsoft phone shouldn’t work well on Windows?
There is a thing you guys forgot to mention is banks need to share some confidential information with apple for the Wallet
I use nothing 2 or any Android phone in India with all credit and debit card with tap to pay in my phone without any wallet (I can use Google pay or my banks application or Cred any app which can use NFC hardware, bank needs to verify its you by automatically sim message once phone number and pin with card is verified they would send card NFC info to app and in phone you can choose which app is default payment app and you can also choose everytime required fingerprint for tap to pay)
And Apple charges banks too.
38 min clip, y'all really stretching it
Because we all watch it
Every minute of it 😃
Indeed there gonna release a podcast as a clip of there podcast waveform is turning into wan show a 4 hour endeavor
Let it play and wash some dishes
@@jmtradbr Ha! This is the way!
Most parts are substantial. Some of it is basically about market share, which I think DOJ will have a hard time arguing, as people are choosing the product, can't control that. Definitely a case against the walled garden for accessories, and mostly for app store fees.
The App Store fees are lower or as low as any online software store and substantially lower that physical stores. No law is being broken, the government will lose. Also, give an example of "walled garden for accessories"?
@@bruxi78230they gave an example on the Show, in one of the Fitbit or Garmin watches, you either allow all the notifications or none.
Whereas on the apple watch, you can cherry pick which app can send notifications.
@Ravi people tend to choose Apple products because, inside the ecosystem, apple products tend to work better because it's harder for outsiders to get in.
@@bruxi78230Walled Garden for Accessories™ refers to how once you’re in the Apple ecosystem you won’t buy a Tile, Logitech Crayon, or Samsung Galaxy Watch because Apple purposely gimps their performance compared to their own products.
@@bruxi78230 The Garmin watch, they stated it's either all notifications or none, as opposed to the apple watch where you can choose which ones can send you notifications.
What is you camera lens setup ? Is it the Sony zv1 ?
You guys should have Hoeg Law on the show to discuss this more
Something that barely no one is talking about is how Apple makes both the hardware and software and how they cripple their hardware with software artificially to make you buy other hardware, like their scaling situation in macOS just so you buy an Apple Display or how you need to pair an apple trackpas with your mouse to get the most from your Mac
You can use any mouse you like. you can use any trackpad you like. good luck finding a trackpad as flawless as the Apple trackpad tho. Why does Apple have to let other trackpads access all the swiping features? How's that competition at that point?
@@voodoodiscoThey don't have too, but as it's proving once big big enough they do.
I guess by the logic though you can use any tyres on your car, even the most high performance, but then again unless you buy the OEM from the manufacturer why should you get the performance from you tyres on what's apparently your car. Yeah that's been competitive 🤦♂️
Well that’s just smart business. It is to make a better experience for those who want it… but it isn’t something that’s needed. And if we come back to the old complaint that Apple is too expensive then that just a reason to choose something else… and many people do that.
@@Spoonfed78 it sounds something that do happens with cars… and yeah many people just get the less expensive tires.
@@voodoodiscoDo you hear yourself? That's like saying you can buy any wheels for your car but if you buy third party wheels you wont be able to make U Turns, or drift. This isn't innovation, this is crippling your competitors in a race in order to make you seem faster and better. Is that what you want from Apple?
Spot the Apple fan boy in the room...
whats your guess, I barely watch this podcast
Apple has gotten away with making hardware with fewer features at comparable pricepoints purely because of their walled garden approach to their ecosystem. If people could buy any brand they wanted and they worked together fine, Apple would actually have to innovate, make better products, and be more price competitive. Their computers with the M chips are probably the only products they make that actually compete at their price point feature to feature, performance to performance. This type of suit is good for consumers including ones that only use Apple stuff.
Apple makes Designer Electronics and their former designer Jony Ive is famous, they are a luxury brand that has always put Form over Function like all luxury brands. Apple is the only smartphone manufacturer in the United States that has scale (Google is the only other) and because the smartphone market is hyper competitive the only way an American company can compete is to market it as a high end luxury cell phones and charge a premium to pay expensive American engineers in California. In reality the only winners if this antitrust lawsuit is successful is China.
yessir
Don't buy them then??? Nobody is forced to buy apple products I don't get this sentiment. I know that my phone does not have all the features of other phones, but that ecosystem, the ease of use, the data sharing and more are all positives for me that outweigh the performance or certain other features.
8gb ram 256gh harddrive
@@MyFriendlyPup hardrive? you mean SSD, massive difference stop talking about things you dont understand
It's an ethics/intent issue IMO. It's fully in a company's right to make their products work/play better in their ecosystem compared to others ecosystems. It's not right when you deliberately make a competitor's product not work well in your ecosystem by limiting features/performance and not providing clear context to the consumer beforehand. It needs to be clear to consumers that Apple is deliberately limiting features/performance of competing products, rather than it seeming like an issue with the non-apple product itself. That's an issue of defaming the competitor and bolstering opinions and perspectives of your products (Apple's) in the public eye.
If Apple is doing something unfair the company should change behavior for sure. Though IMO it isn’t as broad as the lawsuit claims.
I love these conversations this is great :)
The galaxy watch up to the 3 had a companion app but 4 onwards doesn't have an app or pair
Marques always comes off like he's biased pro-apple in these discussions
He is. He tries to give criticism sometimes, but it comes off as if there's a gun to his head
hmmm but at one point he says "This is one of the ONLY ones where I kind of get apple's perspective" meaning he doe NOT agree most of the time...
@@carynnhildebrand2400 yea but he's so mild talking about everything else as if the other things are just slight inconveniences. Not even close to matching the type of energy and language in the lawsuit, as if the lawsuit is only suing apple for being a little bit annoying sometimes...
Everybody knows by now that he is very biased. He is the biggest apple fanboy. He tells his audience that his main smart phone is Android in order to mask that bias
actual mental illness and cope@@novadon4729
I LOVE the Mac/MacBook but absolutely HATE iPhone and iPad so I am an Android user and it took me months to find a way to transfer files between my Android devices and my MacBook Pro M3. I was paying for an app that would let me plug my phone into my Mac (since MacOS doesn't recognize MTP natively) then I FINALLY found a way to sync folders between Android and MacOS using a free service (although I would pay for it) called SyncThings. It is AMAZING!!! I hope the RCS implementation that Apple does is good but I believe red somewhere that it won't be Google's RCS but another standard which won't have End-to-End Encryption which is so messed up (but I could be wrong about the RCS thing)
"took me months to find a way to transfer files between my Android devices and my MacBook Pro M3" -- LOL sounds like a you problem. nobody takes months to find that. ever. stop lying.
@@voodoodisco Well .. being I got my MacBook in December of last year and we are in April and I just came across Syncthing in the past week .. it would have been months. First I was using mostly Bluetooth (but it can be super slow) and would use wired some (with an additional program since MacOS doesn't support MTP natively .. then I finally found Syncthing and it not only does it wirelessly but also automatically.
So yes .. months of searching.
@@pupmorningstar so the entire internet was hiding that from you for 'months' WOW
@@voodoodisco Syncthing is a bit obscure though. I didn't have a name only search queries. There's not a lot of software to share files between MacOS and Android. So yeah it took a little time searching and trying various things.
13:55 everyone rejoiced when Microsoft was forced to open up windows APIs that work with internet explorer but you don't care about the same thing with iPhone and Apple Watch
Apple shills for that apple money bay beeee
To be fair I never totally got the Microsoft lawsuit either… I watched people using other browsers.
last time i checked I can use any browser with iPhone. sooooo, not sure how that relates to MS LOCKING in their browser.
@@voodoodisco all browsers on iPhone are a skin on top of Safari. Chrome on iPhone is not real chrome, it's safari wearing chromes outfit. You've been fooled for years!
@@manart6506 others browsers were shit on windows because Microsoft didn't give them access to the same APIs that internet explorer had. Same thing with Quick time player as well, windows media player worked better.
The issue of the notifications on a non-Apple Smart Watch, it depends on the Company Smart Watch App, with Xiaomi smart watch/band, you are able to change the notifications per app on their own app
LOL You guys are Super Funny i enjoyed the broadcast
Apple = Money Poly
14:33 “ go in the corner and do your thing” I don’t even know why that’s so funny 💀
…😂🤣😀
I need a clip for this clip
I would really like iOS to be forced to act as OS and offer OS API equally to any software, being it Apple's or someones else.
@13:10 The Amazfit GTR 4 can take calls on the watch paired to an iphone so for sure they've unlocked this hook. But still the watch connected to the iphone can't send any kind of message and the embedded Alexa can't make calls.
I feel like the barriers to switching are way more overblown than reality. I bought a Pixel 6 Pro and use it in combination with my iPhone 14 Pro Max. 90% of the time I use the pixel now and don't find the switch hard. Google photos makes it pretty much seamless.
I think you just made a case for Apple Antitrust. Google is open with their apps making it seamless to switch between iOS and Android. Now try to bring your iCloud photos to Android... There is your issue
The app for using the Blood pre6and ecg on Samsung watch can only be installed on a samsung device
23:34 "scotch free" 😂😂 this guy
Top discussion!
Waveform has a great team, all five members really play a part.
David really does his homework 👍
Id give my left … to have the apple watch work with an android phone.
Just the watch, I NEED the watch!
22:45 It shouldn’t matter how big you or your product is. If Big Company A is being sued for the thing but Little Company B does the exact same thing it doesn’t make the thing okay to do. No such thing as ‘a little bit of murder.’
The fossil gen 4 hybrid watch lets you pick and choose which notifications you receive and that with a. Iphone
wait, on the US YOU CANT USE THE WALLET TO PAY WITH OTHER CARDS OTHER THAN APPLE PAY???
Just look at Marques` face the whole interview :)))
Bro's get directly into the point!
IMO Garmin watches are better for fitness because AW are just smartphones on your wrist while Garmin has superior fitness metrics and application.
This is GOOD!!!
Two things the DOJ/FTC needs to force/mandate for mobile phones to be anti-competitive:
1. RCS (Rich Communications Services) for large media sharing/transferring as a standard.
2. Progressive Web Apps (PWAs) to allow mobile apps to run across all mobile web browsers. Thus allowing alternative mobile OSs to run all apps.
Marques is carrying way too much water for Apple in this clip. Let em fall.
25:30 I think this take about NFC and Apple wallet from David is from an American perspective.
1. In most countries, Apple wallet straight up doesn't work.
2. In many countries, apps like Google pay, Samsung Pay, etc. have tap to pay through NFC options. NFC can be turned on through the Quick settings. While Iphones don't have a NFC toggle, they have a scan nearby devices toggle, hence if you have an iphone, you can't tap to pay in any app other than the Apple wallet. Basically you have NFC on your phone, the hardware is there, Apple won't let you use it with other apps. It's crazy but considering it's Apple, the greediest company in the world, I'm not surprised.
Marques would probably be more critical if he weren't good friends with Cook.
Game streaming services are primarily only allowed through safari. Not the actual app itself I.e xcloud, GeForce now, etc. GeForce now app is only allowed on macos but not iOS or ipad os. It gets even more confusing than that with other apps (cloud streaming platforms) for gaming.
Nobody wanted a macbook until everybody fell in love with their iPods.
Great video, I felt like it was a well balanced argument. I think y'all are right, it's too late to turn the Apple tide, but hopefully this can slow them down a bit. 🤷🏽
I am ok with suing Apple here and there so some things can be reworked in favor of every user if truly there are problems… usb-c connection seems to have brought only good things… but I think many of the accusations in this lawsuit are far fetched.
17:13 The Fitbit app allows me to select the notifications I want, it’s not “all or nothing” on this I feel it’s a Garmin thing not Apple.
Just noticed the Arc sticker, loving my Arc browser for work, solves a ton of issues. Im more tab organized than ever
Surprised that Marques is not aware of WeChat.
This is the spiciest I think I've seen them get with each other.
they aren't running anti trust on Apple's predatory pricing of DRAM and SSD?!
I don’t think a Garmin watch is cheap. 😬
Their are different price points, and different models. Where is can be affordable.
I think the difference between games and movies is the monetization aspect of it
Feel free to add chapters to a THIRTY EIGHT minute clip. My dudes
The actually useful answer to the guy asking Tim Cook about messaging his mom, was mentioned earlier in this video: "just use WhatsApp". Problem solved.
Finally. Now watch trillion dollar status fall
The amount of bullying that happens in schools to kids simply because the green bubble and blue bubble thing is absurd.
I would think the solution would be using WhatsApp or Telegram… iMessage isn’t that much better if at all.
one thing I would like to point out with the Galaxy watch 4 is that LTE only works if it's paired with a Samsung phone on the plan, which is something I got confirmed from Samsung themselves
yep. Samsung has a monopoly in the Samsung market LOL call the government!
@@rangerkayla8824 I don’t even get that. They could use WhatsApp or telegram for free with no issues but kids seem to just segregate themselves and be mean.
Prediction. RCS and iMessage will coexist. And they will still render them in green bubbles. But the RCS features will work.
That’s basically confirmed anyway
Will they implement encryption layer too though? .
It's said only the base will be, which yet again more of Apple's claimed security hypocrisy.
@@Spoonfed78obviously there won’t be an encryption. How else will they claim to be more secure.
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I love one of the guys takes. But my god. I cannot listen sincerely since: "Loudermilk Talk like that - vocal fry"
I use a Garmin and you can individually turn on and off notifications and previews for the watch, you just have to do it through the actually notifications setting for every app on iOS settings, also on Android you get a picture preview on the watch and respond to messages straight from the watch, IOS doesn't allow that 🤷🏻♂️
So I get it when I comes to people that try to make money on Apple platforms but all the arguments for users not able to use other devices (smoothly) is just.. yeah.. don't buy Apple products then
It seems easy to do. Nothing stopping people of doing that… people complaining seems to want to be able to sit on a McDonalds and have Burger king in the menu, apparently.
31:43 reminds me of when I was trying to setup the Vision Pro demo for my friends had to use my Apple ID because they used android devices.
LOLOL so tell your android friends to get a Meta. damn!
Regarding Apple Watch, to me it’s like complaining that PS5 controller isn’t natively supported on Xbox
Yeah I was thinking the same thing… so Microsoft and PlayStation should be forced to makes their own hardware compatible with the competition?
@@manart6506 yep! be careful what y'all talking about LOL
I think they should have said that apple should allow other third-party watches to have full access with iphones
One word: Karma.
In my opinion, at least 80% of Apple users will only ever use the Apple messenger app. Most Apple users seem to buy iPhones because they're simple, and everything is built in.
in the us ....
They will still be "simple" if they allow developers more freedom, in fact that freedom could lead to unknown innovations and opportunity for it to become even more "simple". But you never know if we allow apple to unnecessarily heavily restrict development
Over here everyone uses Whatsapp… even if Telegram is better.
Here (in Holland), it's primarily WhatsApp, but around me I see Signal used a lot also.
See, Americans, how there are multiple names there? This is called "competition", it's an essential part of "capitalism". You should try it.
The DOJ should center and hit the ball out of the court saying it’s for cybersecurity safety
you're advocating for the government to be granted a backdoor. shame on you. get a clue
Duuuuuude i have faced that QuickTime issue on windows!!!! Fml! God damn Microsoft!!!!
There is a difference between Microsoft coding QuickTime failing and Apple not building in support for basically every competitors device. This is additional development and testing for 'n' number of current and future companies and is definitely a slippery slope.
It totally seems to be different to me.
Honestly the slowed inovation and everything apple does already made them loose alot of customers in basically every country other than the US because of your weird blue bubble kink :D
And it will continue to do so until they change something or they're just the "America-Phone" at some point honestly. There is a lot of money on the European marked they already don't get because how boring their stuff is.
And I'm saying that as a European who still uses Apples stuff. But I'm already preparing my departure by basically not using any Apple services anymore so I'm ready to jump if they keep being disappointing.
"preparing my departure by basically not using any Apple services anymore " buh-bye. thanks for the announcement. no one cares. BTW why is every clown obsessed with Apple differentiating their messaging services against others. It's called making a great product. Also WHATS APP is amazing. so I don't understand the salty tears.
I’m one of those iPhone users that really don’t care because I’m apart of the ecosystem and I don’t have the desire to leave. 🤷🏾♂️
Super apps are anticompetitive too, soooo, it's pretty weird
So super apps are ok to be a monopoly? According to our government lol.
Crazy Frog is from SWEDEN!!
One of the arguments against Apple's monopoly is that they don't give space to superapps that are themselves a monopoly🤷🏻♂️
I was thinking the same thing. How is it fair for a gov't to force a company to allow an app that makes that company's built-in services useless?
Who the hell is buying Garmin watches LOL
Whoa I love my Garmin watch. Its more for fitness though vs apple watches. AW could never compare in terms of fitness. AW is more of a phone on your wrist.
I didn’t even knew what they were talking about.
Marques doesn’t know what a super app is? 🧐
According to Google, "To use your Google Pixel Watch/Watch 2 or Samsung Galaxy Watch5/Watch6 with Google Fi, you must have a Google Fi Android device. Pixel Watches and Samsung Galaxy Watches sold by Google Fi aren’t compatible with iPhones and iPads." 🙃
ring the alarm. it's a monopoly!
So that's why the Chinese phones hardware are so much more exciting. I'd love the S24 Ultra but with Xiaomi 14 Ultra camera hardware but even Samsung is just slow on innovation these days. We have these so called super-app in the South East Asia region as well. One app to rule them all, book a car, flight ticket, pay for fuel. Anything really.
Google and Apple are in cahoots!
The complaint about super apps is that Apple restricts the apps from using the hardware on the phone. For instance, the apps are prohibited from using the NFC in the phone, which means you cannot pay with the app.
Apple allows any of my cards to work with Apple Pay. nothing burger. Also, that's called creating the best product and not being forced to let other just walk with zero effort. -- also, don't like it, use an android.
@@voodoodisco im just explaining the argument in the case. You can fanboy on here, but dont do it to me. Prohibiting others competing software from accessing portions of hardware that you allow your own to access is anti-competitive. That is what this law is about, and is what others have been sued for.
@@horusman1 wrong! again.
@@voodoodisco cool. Good argument. That was fun. Check back in in 5 years when this course is settled and we can see who was right.
Fun fact: CZcams makes more money off iphone users using the CZcams app, than Android users using the CZcams app.
How is that?
If that's true, it's because
1. you don't have the freedom on iphones to just download another app like revanced.
2. CZcams or any 3rd party app prices are way higher in iphones than android phones. CZcams premium is $18.99 in an iphone.
I was SO mad when I bought my Pixel and my Samsung watch wouldn't work. Made me so ANGRY.
it works lol. With the samsung health app
I don't understand anyone defending Apple in this case. At the end, I care about whether the consumer gets something out of it. If it inconveniences Apple, I don't give a shit. There's no need for me to look at it from a business POV. Especially as a tech reviewer, there's no way you can have this pov unless you're a shill.
@@CS30123 iPhones & MBs have far too many software & hardware limitations to be useful. Great devices for normies though.
@@CS30123 What are you talking about!? It's a case about providing people with choice. Maybe I want the quality of an Apple watch but use an Android phone for some reason, why should I not get the same value of that watch even though I paid the same as someone with an iPhone? Is the Apple Watch an accessory or a device? If it's an accessory it needs to be labelled as such, marketed as such and informed as such but right now Apple don't.
@@Deathbunnygirl nothing stops Samsung from making a competent watch. Its not Apples fault they cant make better products. Grow up. The welfare generation rears its ugly head again.
@@CS30123 This was a video about alleged monopolistic practices, not about Apple products. I'm also not overweight at all. You need to work on that brain of yours.
@@Deathbunnygirl "Apple Watch an accessory or a device?" -- it's an Apple product made to work with other Apple products and services. Made to set Apple apart from the competitors. Some call this 'capitalism' -- other cry about it.
Lots of comparing apples to oranges in this one
yep. painful. arguing for socialism for companies., ouch.
@Andahar1687 not saying that. just saying Apple is being penalized for creating their products to work great with each other. Sorry, not sorry. Apple doesn't owe a cheap android the features that make it superior to the android.
Haha. I thought the same. It doesn’t seem to be fair comparison in some cases, not really apples to apples.
our indian apps send sms for UPI authentication on iPhones its just a popup screen to send sms and its just a 'single tap' only and done with UPI setup
I wouldn't trust indian chat apps.
that "boy your mom an iPhone" comment could have taken as a joke, if there was actually a way to Android users to get the full resolution pictures and videos from iMessage.
it would not matter if it was more complex and if it requires lots of manual setup to do, but as long as it was not actively being blocked by Apple. then it could have taken as "look. just buy her an iPhone and you get it much easier."
but if literally the only option currently is to get an iPhone, then Timmy boy has no joking privileges on that subject.
@@rangerkayla8824 I'm 💯% with you on this.
I just meant that in order to his words to be taken as a joke, there should be some kind of way to get the messages between Android and iPhones to work.
But as things are by design currently, this "buy your mom an iPhone" comment is nothing but an FU to everyone from Tim Apple.
It isn’t that a limitation on old regular cellular messaging?… the thing is that iMessages communicates with other iPhones via that app using internet… the green bubbles is to send the text to other devices via the “normal” way text messages work. Yeah iMessage is an exclusive app for iPhones with the feature of sending old normal text messages via cellular network. They don’t do iMessage for Android and it’s their choice… and people could use apps like WhatsApp or Telegram for broader compatibility.
@@Jurtaani that way would be WhatsApp or Telegram IMO. The iMessage way is an experience Apple wants for Apple users (no even that popular in other countries)… so there is no intention of letting the Apple experience get to users but only through Apple devices and software, what’s makes sense to me.
@@manart6506 i'm not saying that this is wrong or anything.
only issue that i see from this is how young teens are driven out from their groups unless they convert over to the "blue bobble"
thankfully this stupid trend has not taken off outside of the USA, but it still is something easily fixed. but nope! lets rather promote this bs because it prints money.
I have to admit that I never really got the MS argument when the DoJ was going after them. As an Apple user I was pleased that MS had their monopoly broken (and as a side-effect bailed out Apple), but I didn't entirely understand the logic. I'm not sure I'm any clearer now - part of me feels that if a company's whole schtick is "it just works" (which let's be honest, it doesn't always!) then making their own hardware work better with itself makes sense. That said I don't feel that the Apple eocsystem would be significantly harmed by allowing a Samsung phone to airdrop to a mac, or an HP windows computer share its clipboard contents with your iphone. So, that'd be cool. The BIGGEST difference I would argue though, and here my Apple bias may show, is that back when Microsoft was broken up they had a dominant position (that dominant position still exists) but with seriously inferior software. That's not the case now - for the most part the various Apple OSs are as good as Android and Windows, so the case for knocking them off their perch is less clear to me.
Well, airdrop is a cool feature and make it that other phones can do that just makes the iPhone one less thing more appealing.
I didn’t get the Microsoft lawsuit ether. If they make impossible to use another navigator that would seem unfair to me but not that a default browser (made by the same company that the OS being used) seems normal to me… Google pays Apple to be the default search engine on iPhones, but that isn’t in the current lawsuit, that seems ok but to me it seems a bit unfair (just a bit).
The iPod was ABSOLUTELY HUGE for Apple. I had totally become an Apple fanboy because of the iPod. I probably would've gotten into Mac products if Steve Jobs hadn't died around the time I got my first smartphone (Galaxy S). There were 3 reasons why I went with Android over Apple. 1) the specs. 2) the value of specs vs cost of the iPhone. 3) more customization including the ability to easily root the Android.
I am not sure the specs can be just compared form iOS to Android devices. Not apples to apple so to speak.
In modern times it seems all smartphones are very good and to me it is just about how it feels, which feels more comfortable. I don’t like much how Android devices OS feel.
@@manart6506 Seriously? I guess to each their own. But Android feels much more polished to me. You've got the "close all apps" button instead of cycling through each one. You can schedule emails & texts. You got the double-press power button to jump right into the camera app. You've got an actually useful voice assistant. You've got multi-tasking (can watch a youtube video and write an email at the same time).
And the customization is just so much better. Being able to set up my phone exactly how I like it where my screen isn't cluttered with apps but yet can access every app I could ever use without even getting into the app drawer.
And the look has gotten even better. Live weather animations on my homescreen. Or I can use live wallpapers straight from TikTok.
So we need to make Fords give options for Chevy engines and vice versa.. We need Whoppers at McDonalds now too.
this went over your head mate! I don't think you will understand.
The reason there's a thriving headphone marketplace is because Apple allows most Bluetooth headphones to work well with the iPhone. If Bluetooth headphones were as stripped down and feature locked as non Apple smartwatches, it would be a bloodbath. A ton of smartwatch makers are completely exiting the space because there's just no value without being able to compete on the iPhone in the US
Anyone remember MS silverlight LOL
If you like siri you're wrong