Excuses or a confession? ***WHY WERE THE FLOOR JOISTS OUT OF LEVEL?***
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- čas přidán 8. 08. 2023
- In this video I try and explain a little as to the reason for the floor joists being out of level at one end of a newly installed floor.
This is a prime example of not taking enough time to digest what's going on with a job before rushing to get it completed.
Hi Del, we sort out issues and make it work. That's the beauty of the job. You sorted it just like a pro👍
You're spot on Chris👊Cheers bud🤩
Magic Carpentry Del !!! At the top of youre profession..........You make problems go away , they are lucky to have such a gifted person on site !!!
As usual Michael, you're too kind🤗
Fair play to you Del. Don’t sweat it, compromises have to be made when the original building is so wonky. As you said perhaps a small break down in communication concerning the height of the RSJ but it will be spot on once finished
IF I had been afforded more time when I was called in to help fix the timber into the steel beam, and consequently, fit the joists and floor, I would have picked this issue up and dealt with it then🤨I will learn from this, and just slow everyone down for a moment on the next one👍Cheers Del
Project manager is at fault for not communicating the issue before installation had started. I appreciate you don't want to upset anyone though.
What's a 'project manager'😆Jokes aside, you are spot on🤔Cheers Del
Such is life Del...we have all sorts of "characters" to contend with, even properties have character, some more than others! True to your character Del, you handled it all like a gentleman!
Thank you for you kind comment, (as usual)🤩
A tidy site is a rare sight!
Tell me about it bud😬Cheers Del
Ive came across this situation many times over the years and what was done is correct, just unfortunate the stairs were there. Some may say it's a bodge but it's modern technology these days, a good 2 part flexible self leveling floor compound will get over that. Either way you will get over it Del because you can 😉👍👍
I bet you've seen it all Andy🤔and there is probably nothing you couldn't get round or over👍When are going to have a meet up then mate🤞
@@thetallcarpenter Anytime Del, ime not that far away 👍👍
@@bricklayersworldwithandy6277 How to get in touch
I put my email address up Del but youtube just delete it, I'm on FB👍
👍👍👍.Thank you
My pleasure🤩
👍 - think you answered my question I asked in the comments in part 2.
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Superb keeping in with character work there😂 I thought you handled it very well in part 2! I hate those stomach drop moments
Hi there🖐It's obviously annoying when things aren't going to plan, but certainly not the worst issue I've created/had to sort out😶Cheers Del
The village I come from is in the doomsday book. There are a lot of very old houses. When I was doing my time it was often on houses hundreds of years old. Never seen one straight and level. I was taught from the start you work with them. Not against them. Such as hanging doors with four bevelled sides. And floors that go from A to B in the same plane. But not necessarily level. There is a limit to what can be done cost effectively. And in my opinion what should be done. Example. Heritage buildings in Australia often convict built. There are some nice ones. Went to work for a heritage building firm. Thought that is up my alley. Until I see their version of heritage restoration. The most extreme modern methods and materials to physically force the old buildings to comply. And leaving them with the scars to prove it. I left out of sympathy for the old structures. You get two types of people. The one that restores the old car and strip's everything back. Shiny new paint and trim. Then the other sort that clear coats the patina. And shows off the previous life of the vehicle. Houses are the same.
As usual Dave, a great and thought provoking comment👍You're so right about working with old buildings and not against them👊Cheers Del
30 years ago we knocked through to a kitchen from a bedroom and changed it into a dining room. Kitchen had suspended concrete floor and dining room had normal timber floor over joists. Builders couldn't figure out why the kitchen floor was about 3cm higher than the new dining room. Joiner has just fitted new laminate floor and had to fit a small ramp. Don't know how he got away with it. House built 1929.
Your comment sounds very familiar with older properties, and all these things will eventually cause some sort of headache further down the line for someone🤨Thanks for watching😎Cheers
Just one of those problems del you have to overcome 👍👍
I've got over much worse John😮Cheers Del
Not much you could have there Del, something's got to be out of level somewhere. The stairs look fine and I think your solution with the ply and maybe latex will easily overcome the issue. The brickies should be on speaking terms with you now. 😀😀👍
Hi Kevin🖐hope you are well bud🤞I don't suppose anyone needs to hauled over the coals here, but it could have been better😶Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Thanks Del keeping as well as possible these days mate. Look forward to seeing you soon. 👍
Who ever decided the beam follow the old floor i think should have told other trades. Falling at the stairs was the worse place for it. I'm actually doing a job at the minute a porch being refitted with new windows 8ft long reveals. Im not joking nothings is plumb or level or equal measurements 😢. Im putting stud walls around inside and insulated plaster boards. Head scratching and challenging 😅. It seems the carpenter has to solve get over problems. I think if you are in a trade where finishing stuff is involved, you'd think more about details forward thinking. But in Ireland block layers or plasters dont give a 💩.a carpenter make the best builder. He can set out stuff cause he can see whats facing him in the second fix comes his way 😅🇮🇪. Good video Del shows nothing is perfect specially in old house, but how to think and get around a problem. 👌👏
So much of what you say is spot on Paul, and in many cases, it falls to the carpenters to pull a job back on track😶Great comment bud and thanks for watching😎Cheers
Hello. do you have a video about spacing out battens for slate? Will you always end up with a full slate on top. I’m worried that when I put my ridge cap on it might be sitting a few mill above my last slate which won’t look so good. Great video again.
Hi Matt🖐The roof structure is as far as I go I'm afraid, but I have got a roof being slated in the next couple of weeks, do I can ask the roofer if he wouldn't mind explaining in on camera🤞Cheers Del
Be right Del. Belt sander on the stairs where it meets the landing floor, be reet once carpeted👍🏻
Great suggestion👊and I think that is what might well be done as the isn't structural and is fully supported and fixed to the joist👍Cheers bud😎
The floor level is now what it is, short of lifting the joists up in the brickwork. The ceiling however can be corrected, just batten the joists.
Hi Stephen🖐It had already been suggested to lift the joists, but they then would have been out of level along the end wall which would have shown on the door and window heads😬The other issue is that both floors are already tight for head room, to battening out either the floor or ceiling isn't really an option😵💫Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
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Wassup Wayne👊
@@thetallcarpenter 👊😎
Nar mate, I’m still blaming the brickies 🤣🤣🤣
Brickies should have “ignored the next guy and do their part to spec” like a normal person and install everything level for the carpenter to fudge the slope, I mean if the carpenter insists on being that way 😎 or just leave it.
Nah blame sparks
We cant help it, its like an involuntary reaction😆
To be fair, that is the ONLY way to avoid any comeback as you'll never be criticized for putting something in right👍
Great idea, as they weren't there to defend themselves😆
is there a wall built on the floor upstairs ? ..... reason im asking is if that floor was clear of skirting walls etc it could have been forced level using the steel and props with the joist ends in the web .... looks like you have solved it nice job .....
That's a great solution, but the existing joists were used to support the original brickwork as the new beam was fitted, so would have been almost impossible 😬 Great comment and thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter understood .. thanks for the reply ... and nice job on the stairs .....
Can we have that in writing Del ? A carpenter am saying it’s not the brickies fault 🤔✍️🤣🤣🧱👍🏽
My default position always has been, remains and always will be, 'BLAME THE BRICKIES' (I cant find the 'sticking 2 fingers up emoji😆) Love you😍
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Plumb ,level ,square ...and if not ...good to the eye it'll be 👍
There is a lot to that statement Adrian🤔because ultimately, its your eye that will tell you if it doesn't look right👍Thanks for your comment😎
Hi del , do you need to do an apprenticeship in carpentry or can you just learn it from someone?
Hi Daragh🖐You can just learn this from without an apprenticeship, but only if you can find someone to teach you for long enough. The trouble comes, that without recognised training/apprenticeship you will not get accepted to work on many building sites😬Cheers Del
There is no right way. There is no wrong way. Whatever is the least problematic in the moment, there’s your solution. Unless you fix /everything…
A very pragmatic comment👌
@@thetallcarpenter Cheers! I don’t think I’ve ever had a client ask to fix /everything/ once they saw the tag on that 😅
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The brickies 'have' to build their walls level. The steel should have been put in the level and that old floor either levelled up or removed and reinstalled level.
In an ideal world, yes, but there is client expectation as well financial considerations plus retaining the original properties character🤔Thanks for your comment👍Cheers Del
as u say .. communication breakdown.. but u would think that anything like that which moves from standard (eg .. building LEVEL .. ) should be a reference point NOTED / highlighted on the plan as it is an EXCEPTION to standard assumptions... i know .. i kniow .. ass , me .. u .. lol.. the skill is in the remediation
Shoulda, woulda, coulda I guess Mike🤔If it was my house it would, as you suggest, have been considered from the start😉Cheers Del
could you not have attached the existing joists to the steel and then jacked the steel up in the pocket with some metal shims. either way, not the end of the world. bit of self level. bosh.
Edit: you didn't fit the steel. nvm. Brickies are always going to follow the floor i guess.
The existing floor was used to support the back wall while the beam was being fitted👍otherwise, your suggestion would have been the way to go👊Thanks for your comment and for watching😎Cheers Del
It takes "balls of steel" to correct the public record so now you dont have to go climing transmission towers 😊
Hi Shane🖐I'm a pretty honest guy, and it's just not realistic to only ever show things that go perfectly on my channel🤔I don't make that many mistakes nowadays, but I still make them like everyone else🙃Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Yep. As someone far wiser than me once said, 'anyone who says they've never made a mistake has never made anything.'
@@shaneelson Love that 👊
If you had known, you may have done something different or nothing at all. But not knowing curbed your options.
I guess it was not knowing when I should have known😶Thanks for your comment 😎
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Cheers Richard🤩
Who cares plasterboard paint no body looks 😀
And ultimately Albert, you're spot on🙃Cheers Del
👍 these problems always crop up with old builds it always falls to the carpenters to sort out, comprise 👌👏👏☘️🇮🇪🩼
Just part of our job eh John😉Cheers fella