Another great video! I appreciate your experience and approach. Thanks for keeping it 100% quality and not adding a bunch of "entertaining" filler like other channels. I'm sticking with the mark I for now, since I never use autofocus!
Thanks Ben - yeah I think I'm slowly developing my style for these longer in depth reviews - I find it difficult to be succinct - the original cut for this was 40 minutes 😂
This is some beautiful footage. My goodness, something about this footage is just superb. The colors, the grading. Great looking work.. That's the first thing that popped out to me. great review..
You did a great job grading the footage, really gives it that extra push and looks very cinematic. Would you be willing to do a video about the work flow for the editing aspect? Stellar video, and obviously subbed!
thank you for the video ! Already have both the S5 and S5 II, but i'm the kind of nerd who just loves to hear competent people talk about stuff i love. I think that for an independant filmaker, it's hard to go wrong with either of these cameras
Yeah like you say really hard to go wrong with either S5 i or ii - TBH most modern cameras will give you stunning results these days, the competition is TIGHT
I am in love with this camera two. Was already sold with the S5. I am relatively new to filmmaking but I feel the image is way superior to the Sonys. I come from a professional photography background and can safely say I shoot commercial gigs with this and the S5 no problem. Ed s footage here show that this can easily be a camera for the long run. These shots from Italy with only the 50mm 1.8 proves that. Just superb
I've always thought the Panasonic colours / image quality was preferable to that of Sony cams - I've shot with both over the years but majority on Panasonic cams. The review also featured the DZO film vespid 35mm - honestly I preferred using that and manually focusing / adjusting iris but for native modern glass the LUMIX line of lenses is superb.
@@EdProsser Beyond the Venice, the FX9 sensor has some special sauce going on / I know Sony’s cinema line (FX3 excluded) has different processing. I’d like to see a cinema camera from Panasonic, like an Eva 2
You're only the one CZcamsr/Cinematographer who unlocked the potential of this camera. Special thanks for your work with color, real science of color. Only one issue that bothered me a lot is the lack of the OLPF, because the moire in videos is ruining everything for me. But again, the price point and compromises (the rolling shutter, crop in ff 60fps, lack of the olpf, slight delay on external monitor via hdmi cable) are inevitable. And it’s still a good camera. May 23 2024 - waiting for compact Lumix camera for travel photos/videos and social media content - Cam C Lumix s5 ii/x - Cam B And I hope it happens this year or in the first half on next year - Lumix s1h ii - Cam A p.s. Lumix s5 ii/x reminds me Canon 5d mark ii/iii on the body and the feelings in general
Haha thanks for the nice words! I think you can squeeze a lot out of these cams... That's why they use them. Yeah I'm really interested in their next flagship
Holly Crap. Was just about to pull the trigger on an FX3 and then I see this cameras results. Yes I know all cameras have the ability bla bla…. But considering everything you’re showing us in natural light, the image and roll off is like velvet. Nice work, very impressive.
Dude I love your work! Your color grading Vlog video helped me improved my work exponentially so I was super excited for your take on the S5ii! Thanks man, keep on doing what your doing!
Thanks for this great review! I got to your channel because I’m finally switching to Davinci Resolve for hopefully everything but especially grading my S5 footage. And hands down, you’ve got some of the finest looking S5 footage floating around the interwebs! Really, i'm very impressed!
Thanks Lorenz! Need to get a few more v-log colour grading tutorials out! Been shooting a lot for my upcoming LUMIX S5 iiX review, so will hopefully do a few run tutorials using that footage. Good luck with Resolve, I only moved to grading in it a year or two ago, am slowly moving over my edit projects as well, but I'm still faster at cutting in FCPX.
Thanks for your review! Been holding out for the new lumix line up and this seems like the perfect beginner camera! Will pick this up this year unless I find the next Lumix s1mk2 to be a better buy. Thanks!
What an absolutely fantastic review Ed! Absolutely great to hear that the new Panasonic autofocus systems works with third-party lenses, and you crucially answered the question "would my old Tamron 24-70 work with this system?" that for me has well and truly tipped me over the edge. I've got an S5 Mk 1 and the EVA and will now be looking to swap both of them out for two S5 MK 2's (love the EVA, but I'm getting spoilt by that S5 full-frame look). Absolutely stunning images in this video, your style, composition and use of colour is superb.
Wow thanks for the lovely feedback James! I had a lot of fun with the camera. Panasonic will also be releasing the S5ii X in May so if you're planning to get 2, might be worth picking one of those up as it has additional recording codecs like Pro Res and RAW out of the box.
Another awesome review! I really appreciate your approach to these: very real-world, real experience based and not just tech specs. You have such a distinct visual style that shines with every camera you use. It's something I've been emulating in my own work. So, I really should thank you for that! My wallet won't thank you though, if I buy this camera because of you lol
Sorry about the ol'wallet but am glad you've found this stuff useful, it's really nice to get feedback like this as it motivates me to do longer review vids.
Thanks for the awesome review and captures! Was on the fence for getting a S5II as I need a second body along my S5. But none of what bugs me a little from the S5 has "really" improved. - IBIS is better but the lesser stabilisation from the S5 renders somewhat more natural mouvements. - Moiré/Aliasing is still present. - Autofocus is a lot better but not something I'd rely on. The things I really like are not worth the switch. - Full HDMI I can do without (I have clamped my micro HDMI to a full HDMI and it lives on my cage) - Sychroscan is the only thing I really want. Flickering can be a real pain in the ass while doing corpo work.
Great review Ed! I had been waiting for something like this from Lumix - I started out on Lumix, shot a bunch of weddings on the S1 before moving over to Sony for the last few years. I ended up missing a lot about the S1, but wasn't ready to give up autofocus. I ordered an S5ii as soon as it was announced and started making the move back to Lumix, adding a bunch of lenses and an S1 as a spare, but after challenging myself to work with manual focus I've been enjoying the S1 more than the S5ii - the stabilisation on the S5ii can get a bit wonky sometimes, and it's ruined a few shots, while the S1 is more controlled. Both are great cameras though, and it's nice to have the flippy screen and solid autofocus in some situations.
Yeah I recently used the S1 to shoot with some Anamorphics, great camera! Glad the AF on the S5ii has been helping you with your work, sounds like a good pairing! I had a while section in here about annoying manual focus more but cut it for time, I'll probably spin it into its own video. What is it you prefer on LUMIX cameras to Sony?
@@EdProsser There's a few big things that bugged me with the Sony gear - the HDMI feed doesn't fill the monitor screen if you want info displayed, which I always do. That made the manual focus experience pretty crumby. I also found the IBIS to be too jittery or grabby, and it often ruined my shots. A few other things like ergonomics and codec limitations just made it feel like a clunky chore. In the end, I enjoy the user experience of Lumix, and the tools they provide show that they're really catering to video professionals. I'm in love with the colours too - there's a better separation between greens and skin tones, which makes for a cleaner grade, and the IBIS is so smooth. It all adds up to a more organic feeling video output.
Great review Ed, beautiful footage as always! I’m still on the fence deciding to upgrade to this, the S5iix, or also just waiting to see what else Panasonic has in store for the future
I have loved the new auto-focus system and have also found it struggles in low light but also when there is a lot of people around and if you don't actively choose a person to track it can just want to pick whatever.
Thanks for the feedback, glad it was useful! Yeah, to me, an AF system is just a tool - and there will be times where manual focus will always be more intuitive. I'm not an AF person to be honest but was impressed with what they managed to implement on their first pass - I'm sure they'll strengthen it with time and firmware updates
Stunning footage and great review! You have earned my subscription. I have been shooting with S1 and S1R for over a year now and absolutely love this system. I came from Fujifilm and Sony. Will definitely be sticking with Lumix moving forward.
Hey man I just saw WHAT Panasonic offer as advertising examples on their website (for S5 iiX) AND YOUR VIDEOS ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER - - how can they not hiring you to be their promoter?????
I actually like the extra sharpness. It seems to produce a slightly better image than the original S5 and I think you can always make it less sharp by adjusting the settings on the camera.
All sharpness settings were set to zero so not sure there's anywhere else to go unless they add a firmware update. For me it's not my preferred look as it's a tad too harsh
Always appreciated how well thought out the videos are and this must have taken some time. Thx so much for that. I understand that these reviews are designed to feature a single camera but the comments are really helped when referenced to other cameras eg Komodo or SH1 and in terms of image quality it might have been interesting to see how it compares to the Eva and whether this could be a single operator camera re audio etc. Likewise a comparison to the Fuji XH2S and maybe the FX3, not so much in terms of image but in use and workflow. Hard to tell much about the image here as I think you favour adding a fair amount of grain to the image and it did seem maybe a litle distracting though maybe you were compensating for the perceived sharpness isssue that you mentioned. As you say tonnes of other reviews out there to check. Great to hear the EF compatability which is always an issue with the native mount and auto focus. Agree that the S1H is the real deal at a pro level (netflix approved) but for many the question always seems to be whether to go canon, Sony, or other (BMPCC6K Pro) when it comes to dslr, or sub £4K and for pro work in general it is fair to say that Sony probably rules. Again a comparison with C70 or Komodo images would have been great and the point about the rolling shutter was well made and often overlooked especially when using gimbals or favouring hand held. I guess we will all be waiting for the S1H ii to appear but IMO the BMPCC6K image and workflow still has to be a bench mark that needs to be significantly blown away by any new camera release and I am not sure that the S1H managed to be better in terms of image though it was considerably more a hybrid experience, also full frame, anamorphic open gate and batteries etc, so it will be interesting to see if its just an autofocus upgrade raher than an image upgrade. The S1H can be worth it for the EVF alone for those who shoot that way but flawed autofocus always seems to make it the poorer cousin to canon and sony. Maybe not now. That said the the lack of EVF in the FX3 and C70 has always seemed bizarre to me if they trying to be professional cine cameras and not hybrid. Having to buy an expensive third party zacuto isnt always possible but it is an absolute essential for DOPs in general and that is the often unspoken genius of dslr design in that they have a build in EVF. ??? Meanwhile thanks so much for the video and the continuing valued thoughts.
Yes totally get your point, although I don't have access to all those cameras - and I do feel sometimes camera reviews can get bogged down in endless comparisons between cameras - as a smaller channel (and spare time CZcamsr) I don't currently have the time or resources to do that... I think channels like CVP are always better placed to do the more technical break downs. What I hope I can offer is a more personal perspective as a working professional who uses this type of kit in my day to day work and show what it's capable (or not capable) of doing. When I approach my reviews I don't want to repeat what others have already said - as I see that happening a lot. Having said that - I did actually do a quick test shot between S5, S5ii, FX6, EVA1 and Komodo - unfortunately the footage from the S5 and S5ii disappeared (it must not have imported and I later wiped the card, that's the issue of trying to squeeze YT into my small pockets of spare time). I do still have the comparison shots between the other cameras which I'll probably post in the next month.
@@EdProsser hey thanks for that and I totally understand. I guess the question many people have in their minds when looking at CZcams camera or gear pieces might be Ok I have the money to buy a camera or a light or some lenses so what should I buy and how will it add value. Fomo also plays its part. No one wants to get left behind if there’s a revolution going on. There are so many great pieces of kit but professionals are perhaps expected to have the inside scoop on gear that really works not so much gear that could work. I have the same questions rolling around in my head constantly since the day I started filming and it really comes down to what is the rig that allows me to shoot professionally. In truth that has always been unaffordable and rental has always been the solution I have resorted to but we are now in the world of content creators owner operators and the margins between a dslr and cine camera is narrowing but not without compromises which might not be obvious to the inexperienced. What lens is worth picking up? A sigma 24-70mm with IS and auto focus or a set of Leica Rs?? I guess the way in is to see images that look great, admittedly on CZcams but that are also made by an affordable set up and ideally in an innovative way or maybe analyse the pros with shotdeck and bts and work out what really is making the difference. Ironically the pros won’t know. When you are surrounded by gear the last thing you do is spend time thinking about doing without. The 5d and Sony A7sii scared them all and allowed a revolution as did the BMPCC4K at an affordable price suddenly amazing shallow dof isolation of the subject, low light and wysiwyg filmic images that a lot of cinematographers in film looked enviously at. Didn’t need a 10 man crew to hump the camera and grip. Gimbal drones and mini sliders allowed production values to go off the charts for newbies when it came to camera movement and it made the 4 man crew pushing a dolly on a track look ridiculous. Yet so many of us are still looking for a cheap dolly shot push in that really nails it like a pro with crew yet done by a single owner operator. Creativity could maybe be measured by and be directly proportional to how easy it is to shoot at no cost and so the owner operator is king if the rig they have isn’t a professional compromise. Does that mean buying an easyrig?? Maybe. Or lights c stands a tonne of flags and rags. Soon it’s a van and a whole other grip truck with generators to be managed. Or is using a dslr with ibis great auto focus and a high quality evf enough to nail focus, all Netflix approved for a push in and shoot all day like a pro. For sure the fx6 and c70 feel like proper cameras but no evf??! No decent monitor solution?! no sdi?? They are not the solution. Would an Eva ii be?? The c300iii with a £3k canon evf is probably close but way over priced as an ef solution so even with its price drop two years too late, maybe the new c200ii will be what we have all been waiting for. Not sure if the Eva was ever right for you and maybe the Komodo is doing the trick but I would be interested to know what your ideal set up would be or maybe you have it. For sure it’s not always an Alexa. Thanks for all your thoughts and feedback.
Great review. I especially agree with your last point about waiting to see what else Panasonic have planned. Ultimately I would love for them to create a full frame version of the GH5S. Lower megapixel count geared for video, good rolling shutter performance. Basically like the A7SIII.
Yeah I think since moving to the Komodo I've noticed the slower sensor readout / rolling shutter of the S5 a lot more - if they release an S1H successor I really hope it's something with a drastically reduced rolling shutter. But to be fair, this is a sub £2K camera - so can't knock it really, it's amazing value for money!
Mate, your S5 footage was stellar. This is taking it up a notch. That light dappling @ 12m38! Would you mind me asking if you're using Dehancer or something similar?
Thanks Pete ! There were a few diff node structures for this - but majority of shots were adapted from the Film Vision powergrade from Serr (google it) - I'm about to do a bit of testing with Dehancer as never really used it before - so there will be videos on it coming soon!
Your video is the single reason I bought an s5 as a b-cam for my EVA-1 yesterday (yes in 2024), instead of an s1H. Love the Eva with old glass - had a colorist ask if my last doc short was shot on an Alexa mini. Curious what you've found to be the best mini HDMI to HDMI cable maker for connecting the s5 to an external monitor? Favorite portable tripod to take this on a long hike with? Thanks Ed.
Ah so good to hear! Still love and use my EVA1! I'm not super picky with cables so whatever I found on Amazon at the time that didn't look too flimsy(!) I wouldn't usually take a tripod on a hike so don't have any super light weight options, I love shooting handheld! I've got a "light weight" aluminium manfrotto tripod I use as my small job tripod, it has a video head and is pretty solid but compact, will take my Komodo as well.
Finding it difficult choose between the s5 and s5ii. I make short films but pretty much by myself so autofocus would be revolutionary but 90% percent of s5ii videos on CZcams look no where near as good as s5 videos. But this footage looks beautiful. Cheers
The S5 has a slightly smoother image, the mark 2s seem to have a bit over over sharpening in them for some reason, some of this can be overcome with lens choice and filtration. If the AF and extra recording formats in the mark 2s are going to be useful id say go with them - you can also shoot raw on the mark 2s which seems to remove these processing issues.
Great review, thank you so much! Quick question: did you add some digital grain to the footage in post (like from 9:00 to 9:30)? It seemed more grainy than other videos I saw for outdoor daylight scenarios, so I was wondering if it was digital grain or maybe noise from the ISO. It looks gorgeous though.
Yes it'll be digital grain! As these shots are 6k open gate maybe the grain has been down sized or affected when mixed in with the other 4k shots and exported at 4k
I bought an S5II off your recommendation! The motion of your footage is smoother and judder less obvious. Are you shooting slightly slower than a 180 shutter or applying anything in post to make the footage smoother?
I think usually shooting with 180 deg. Any slow mo will be in APS-c mode which has a much faster sensor read out speed and therefore less rolling shutter / judder. Open gate / 6k tends to have the worst rolling shutter.
I might bounce below 640 occasionally but generally tend to try stick to either of those. The Mark 2's a bit noiser in their image - so the higher ISO might get a bit grainy if underexposed - I try to give it as much light as possible.
Great video and an amazing review! The sample (eg 18:00) footage shows sharp grain even after the YT compression, what is your export settings? I've heard people directly upload Quicktime ProRes 422, is it the case here? Thanks
Thanks! Yes it took me a while to figure out best upload settings. I like to upload Pro Res where I can, but for a longer video like this pro res tends to give too large a file size - so I think I went for a 4K H264 this time - I find you can get good results with 75-100 Mbps and preserve grain.
@@EdProsser nice! Thanks for supporting the channel. I am very eager to get my hands on the X. So maybe we will be Lumix brethren again soon. I’ve missed my s5 mk 1
Thanks for your video and all the great looking footage. I do have a point or two to mention. The S5II does much more than AF. I really love to shoot fully manual myself with 3rd party lenses. But until the S5II I've never been able to manually focus, start recording, move my focus box, punch in while recording, and perform a focus pull. That's right. Panasonic fixed that as well, which is extremely important when you're shooting manual focus. There are other things too you can do while rolling--can't think of them right now.
Great review and really nice color grading. The IBIS is a bit annoying on some shots though. As you correctly say one has to know its limitations. I prefer the look of real handheld as in your BS1H review.
Yeah it can be quite intense sometimes particularly for focal lengths of 35mm and under - I'm assuming they might tweak it a bit. I'm currently testing the S5 IIx and I think my solution will be to bulk the camera up and maybe disable IBIS... or use stabilised lenses...
@@EdProsser True. Having tested several IBIS systems I found that it is only really useful for more or less locked off shots with very limited movement. Once you begin to move, especially tracking, it becomes unpredictable and can seriously ruin a shot. This is all camera manufacturers across the board. I guess its why a lot of people still prefer box style cine cams.
@@andreasbulowhansen9413 me personally I much prefer the motion in the Komodo and the added weight helps stabilise it. I do think the IBIS in the S5 is very impressive I think I just need to test it a bit more to know it's limitations. I'd probably disable at focal lengths 35 and under and it's probably fine above that.
Looks great and ticks pretty much all the boxes for a great price. But hearing about the rolling shutter makes me a little worried, I do a lot of on-train shots and vehicles - if I wasn't doing such things it'd be a no brainer, now I'm on the fence.
Subscribed (Fuji Xpro2 user). I've visited Wex photo a number of times to play with this camera. Menu is fairly intuitive after a while. Xh2s, fx30 and the s5 II
Great review. Your model has a great look and expression. Don't think I would challenge her to a game of poker! Is rolling shutter any better in super 35 or APSC crop? Been using Lumix since 2012 and have learned to live with the focus. I recently had cataract surgery on my right eye so now I can manually focus quite well. There is a package on sale currently including the 85mm basically for free......quite tempted...
Amazing work, I'm going to buy one of these.. did you film that footage with an external SSD, or internal... and what codec / bit rate ... looks sooo good :)))
Hi, I have just discovered that this camera doesn’t have a low-pass filter so you get easily the moirè effect in some circumstances. have you notified that issue? Thanks
you are right there - honestly I've not had huge issues for the types of stuff I shoot. I also shoot with softer cine-lenses - and often with diffusion filters which help mitigate this. If you're shooting lots of sharp edges / patterns / buildings - something to bare in mind.
Lumix S5II or Sony FX30? I will be shooting short films, & music videos. I have a Sony a6400 and the auto focus & low light is a beast for a crop sensor. But its time for a upgrade.
I think it boils down to your personal preference to colour science / image quality - both cams will allow you to create amazing work - so you can't really go wrong!
Keep coming back to your work with VLog as inspiration! I wanted to ask, do you have a preferred variable ND filter? I’m stuck in analysis paralysis regarding which one to buy. The things I shoot generally don't allow time to change fixed ND’s, so a VND is needed in my kit bag.
Ah thanks! I used the H&Y Revoring VND and it's amazing, I'm not actually sure if they still make them but it's one of the best bits of kit that no one seems to have heard of!
great video! I'm dying to try this camera out. When coming from a S5 mk1 to a mk2, the trade in value is still quite good, depending where you go. To me I can tell Panasonic invested so much in the ibis and color science, and now with the phase detect It puts them ahead of Sony in terms of overall workflow (vlog is a joy to work with). Will you try the S2x when it comes out?
I might - although for me it's mostly an addition of tech specs (recording codecs and RAW) - so I'm not super interested in doing a video on it - unless people really want my take on it - I'm sure a lot of CZcamsrs will give a good low down on it. I think if I were choosing between the two I might opt for the S5 iix - as it's only a couple of hundred £££ more and the features seem worth it!
Been looking forward to your review of this Ed. I'm still on the mark i and the Autofocus is literally the only thing that I can fault it on, so I might well upgrade to the Mark ii eventually, especially as I already have the lenses for it!
Yeah it's a tricky one if you're not totally in need of the new AF - I think from my perspective it would be a useful tool to have in my arsenal - but at the mo I'm gonna wait a little while to see what else comes along - I wouldn't mind splurging a little more to get a camera that succeeds the S1H - especially with affordable anamorphic - I'd really like a killer full frame open gate camera with fast sensor read out!
Excellent video -I really enjoy your work and ability to make reviews. I’m struggling with a decision to switch systems to Lumix and torn between the regular and X version. And would love your opinion here. This will be my personal kit for family and personal projects plus photography- I use a couple C70’s for my day job and R6 for photo. With that being said, I’m hard pressed not to go for the biggest quality codecs the X offers, but convincing myself the S5ii video will be just fine in Long GOP even with it limited to the 200mbps. As of now, the sale prices for S5ii ends up being a little over $400 USD cheaper than the X. Which is significant. Your original S5 footage blew me away and still makes me think I don’t “need” those super high recording rates. What’s your thought here? Think I’ll regret not just doing the X? Thank you!
Check back here in an hour as my iiX review is about to go live! I think if it's for personal work and family stuff, the S5 mk2 will do just fine! The biggest draw of the iiX is probably the BRAW and Pro Res functionality... but unless you're pumping out professional projects the more compressed codecs will still serve you well!
Another stellar review. Love the images you create. I wonder if the release of the ZV E1 is going to lower the price if this mark 2 since it offers so much
Yes I don't know! I've been pretty busy recently so haven't had chance to dig into the spec of that camera - but I've heard some negative stuff about it overheating...
I really love your work and trust your opinion and recommendation. I am looking to try either the OG S5 or this S5ii and wondered which you would choose if pressed. Similar to you I love cameras that have an organic quality to their output and while autofocus is nice, it's not necessary (I really only use it when filming myself for YT). More important to me are IBIS as I'm always out and about with my camera and to be able to capture both still and video with character. On paper I gravitate toward the OG S5 but am curious where you would land if you had to choose as I imagine I'd be in whatever camp your opinion rests in if I tried them both.
Both are great! I'd probably opt for the S5ii it's more modern, has better IBIS and you may find later that the AF comes in handy (as I did!!!) the diff in image is there but it's not gonna make a huge difference overall. I generally use my S5 iix on professional shoots over the S5
Hi, great review, I have particularly enjoyed it because you have shot it in my city Torino, isn't it a beautiful city to photograph? :) I have ordered the S5IIX, haven't received it yet, I have subscribed to your channel. For the rolling shutter, a workaround could be to shoot in crop mode, readout from the sensor would be faster. Ciao !!
some people just have the talent (you probably out of the gate when you started, ) I checked out your web page.... beautiful images ..." People" photos especially . Now this model that is showing here has such a compelling face that it is hard to follow along with your dialogue. I'm keep trying (in my mind) to cast her in some big budget film with great dialogue and story... She has one of those faces that carry" frame" charisma. The light and lens have harmony looking her way.
This review was excellent, so pleasing to watch, thank you! One question I have is if the S5 ii also needs that paid firmware update for shooting 6k ProRes raw externally
@@EdProsser And the update will make the camera able to shoot Pro Res Raw also internally? Otherwise, it's a downgrade over the S5 for video makers who don't use AF that much.
It's really difficult to say which is best!! They've both quite different, one is Super35 and one is full frame. Me personally, I've always preferred the look and use of Panasonic cameras. My advice is that if you're struggling to decide, try to rent or borrow one and see which feels better for you. Bottom line - which ever you get, you can't go wrong and will be able to make amazing work!
Does the rolling shutter in aps-c mode feel better? And if so, is there a dynamic range difference between FF and aps-c? I know low light performance will probably take a hit, but I wonder if it's just a good S35 camera. Better rolling shutter, cheaper lenses and going up to 4K60 with no crop difference seems interesting. I'm not looking for super blurry backgrounds anyways lol.
I didn't have time to test this scientifically, but yes it felt like the rolling shutter was better in aps-c mode - I agree - I often stick my original S5 in APS-C to get a bit of extra reach on my lenses - it doesn't really matter if I'm on a tight shot and lighting the scene anyway.
so i have the S5, and love it, and i also have the bmpcc 4k, 6k g2 and the OG, and yeah i do see the "digital-ness" of what you talk about especially when using the 4th gen blackmagic color science (which is just outstanding i think). but i think i will be picking up the S5iix because i do shoot in anamorphic quite a bit and the open gate and the codexes make that super interesting. the thing that really kills it for me with the S5 is just how ridiculously good it is at the hybrid thing. Stills are just amazing, and it's the most fun camera i've ever had to just take out and do street photography, urban landscape etc. i just throw on an old (40+ year old) vintage 28mm lens on it and go!
It's a fab camera! I'd love to test the S5 with anamorphic lenses - I've been testing the Great Joy lenses but unfortunately didn't have them when I had the S5. I did shoot on the S1 in open gate, my only advice would be to watch for the rolling shutter as I think it will also be pretty bad on the S5 ii in 6k open gate. Not a huge issue unless you're moving the camera a lot.
I mean different tools for diff jobs - I think it's a testament to the S5 that I still rate and use it even after getting a Komodo. I often use the S5 as a b-cam to the Komodo - they go really well together. If I'm working on a smaller budget job or something with quick turn around - then the S5 is often a good choice! Or if I have to travel super light.
Beautiful! How was your experience with editing Long GOP and H265 - especially with Open Gate 6k? And any chance you could upload some of the original footage to test? Thanks!
I'm on an M1 Mac so generally fine, I've been working with both codecs for a while as my EVA1 shot on both. The 6k open gate definitely slows down, esp. after a grade. I'll try get some footage up at some point, this project is archived now so if I find time I will.
Thanks! Pretty much everything is graded in Davinci Resolve using the FilmVision powergrade from Serr (google it) - and I've modified it a bit to suite my taste
Indeed the S5II looks sharper than the S5 in V-Log but not in a good way. The difference is not night day though. However the standard profiles are much worse than on the S5. The noise reduction and details filtering kills very fine details in low light, I made a comparison about this issue on my channel. I thought it was because of the Phase Detect but V-Log has not this issue so I hope Panasonic will fix this soon.
Nice review - one thing about your image - the blacks look quite crushed. Which seems a shame (to my eye) because you are losing a lot of the DR, and ability to see into the shadows, that these amazing cameras give us. The look reminds me of something you would see around the time the first canon 5d mark 2 / 7d came out - lots of crunchy blacks! Of course i understand that this is probably an artistic decision on your part. Or you may be going for a retro feel - its definitley unique in this space. Love what you say about manual focus.
Thanks for watching I hear you! I do try to go for a darker / grungier / moodier / film feel, which is often contrasty and sits lower in the grade. So yes it comes at a cost of some detail in the low end, i.e. in her coat. For me this helps get away from the digital "video" look, but it's a stylistic choice. Manual focus - I had a whole 10 minute section on how much more I enjoyed using the cam with my manual focus lens, but cut it for time.
Beautiful footage! Do you need a SmallRig 3010 Mini Follow Focus? Or is it also easy to do on the lens itself? I do indeed think that this technique has to learn from manual focusing, especially with backlit shots!
@@pfv3462 it depends on the lens and what you want to do - if you're doing large focus pulls then maybe, the vespids are quite small so fairly easy to focus by hand
@@EdProsser Ok I'll try that first and see what works best! Thanks for your quick reply, I'll follow your findings about this S5II closely ;-) It is a very good review, from a man who knows the Panasonic cameras! your wife is a beautiful model 😉
@@pfv3462 we are not actually married - but she is my partner and very patient in allowing me to film her for my camera tests! We're currently testing the LUMIX S5 IIX
Hi,is that footage handheld with any rig ?or just camera in plane hands you showed in the begining?Have you applied any stabilisation ?Handheld footage was better than gimbal one😃in my opinion or maybe oposite 🤨
Been looking forward to this review from you since FOREVER. I shoot on the Panasonic EVA-1 & Panasonic S1 combo but always found the Panasonic S1 tedious for gimbal work. I do quite a few events shoot and sometimes shoot exclusively on gimbal. Since the release of the S5ii I've been thinking really hard. I know my current camera setup is all I need in terms of image quality wise. But I think I will go ahead and ahead, the quality of life improvement will be worth it. Question, are you using the Tamron 24-70 G1 or G2 version?
I think if you can afford it and the AF will make your life easier - go for it! Definitely know what it's like to compromise on jobs and sometimes just having an easier workflow makes life less stressful and frees you up to be more creative. I was using the G1 as I picked it up very cheap years ago for run and gun doc work. I may pick up the sigma 24-70 at some point. But yeah really surprised at how well it worked whilst being adapted.
@@EdProsser to go off of Jeffery's question. Have you had a chance to compare the Tamron's autofocus and stabilization vs Non-adapted glass? I'm currently trying to decide between using the Tamron 24-70 G2, Lumix 24-105, or Sigma 24-70. Ideally, I'd love to use the Tamron for low light + stabilization. But if it doesn't compete with the 24-105's stabilization/ autofocus then I might lean a different way.
@@LaurenceLee I think native glass is always gonna give you the best results. I've not tested the G2 - was considering buying one a while back but think I'll go for the sigma 24-70 in EF and then I can use with my Komodo. I only had the camera for a few weeks and was mad busy with client work so there was only so much I could test in my time with it!
@@EdProsser Very understandable. thank you for getting back. Once you get the 24-70 feel free to come back and let me know how that stabilization works compared to dual IS.
@@LaurenceLee I am on the same boat as you. I bought the 24-105 earlier last month and while I find it extremely versatile from shooting livestreams to events, I find the the F4 quite limiting despite the native 4000 of the S cameras. I also find that I would really love the bokeh I can get from an F2.8 zoom. However, the stabilization is really super amazing. If the image is really your priority, get the 2.8 zooms. I am on the fence on whether to go with native zooms or EF zooms. I love the manual focusing on the EF zooms and can't seem to get used to the electronic focus on the Panasonic S 50 1.8. I find that I miss focus very easily especially on moving subjects when I'm on manual focus. CHOICES CHOICES
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with us! I can confirm the slight oversharpening compared to the original S5. However, I find the color noise behavior more disturbing. The S5 MK2 shows significant green in the shadows, the MK1 shows a more natural black and white noise behavior. The real reason I returned the camera is a sound interference problem when connecting an external microphone to the jack audio port. There is a high frequency pulsating sound that doubles its frequency when you switch the frame rate from 25p to 50p. This annoying sound can only be heard very quietly, but it is disturbing in quiet passages during interviews, for example. I am waiting for the S5 MK2 X and hope that Panasonic will notice the issue in time and shield the audio signal path better.
Hey Martin - no trouble at all - thanks for checking out the video - that's really frustrating to hear about your issues - I've not heard about the audio issue before - but I have had issues similar to this with cameras over the years. I'm also interested in the S5mk2 X undecided whether I'll pick one up but I think it'll be really useful for this CZcams stuff... I'm hoping the image quality issues can be tuned and tidied up with firmware - I'm sure it's to do with the sensor modification for the new AF system.
@@EdProsser Yes, regarding the image issues I'm hoping for a firmware fix too. Maybe it was just my unit which was affected by the audio issue. If you can find some spare time, follow these steps: 1. Set the camera to movie mode in a quiet room 2. Connect an external microphone to the Mic-Port (if it is a battery powered device, you can leave it switched off) 3. In the audio menu, set the „Sound Rec Gain Level“ to „Low“ (in „Standard“ the issue is less pronounced) 4. Set the Audio Level to Zero or + dB to emphasize the issue 5. Put your headphones on (I use low impedance wired EarPods from an old iPhone) and note a pulsing high pitched interference sound 6. Press the lens lock/unlock button to make the sound disappear for some seconds 7. Toggle the Movie Recording Options from 25p to 50p to double the speed of the pulsing sound 8. Switch the dial “Movie Mode“ to Manual "M“ to hear the sound change it’s frequency
Are you sure the audio interference was actually recorded in camera? Often I use headphones that aren't sufficiently shielded and pick up noise / interference but it doesn't carry through to camera recording....
@@EdProsser Unfortunately it gets recorded. That's why I returned the camera. Guess it is hardware related, has something to do with the new autofocus system and cannot be fixed via firmware.
Great review Ed. I also have the camera. I'm curious if you ever tried any scenes with multiple people using AF. Thus far it seems the camera likes to bounce around and in say a tracking shot where multiple people might be in the frame it can struggle to stick with one.
I did a little - I did find this - but it did also depend on the AF mode I had it set to and the position of camera / framing - I shot in a busy market and it did jump from people to people - but not in a problematic way, I also turned down the sensitivity and that helped a bit. If you're wanting to track just one person you could set it in tracking mode. I think what I learnt is that a powerful AF system is definitely a tool you need to test and master to get the best out of it - and there are certain settings that suit different shooting environments better.
@@EdProsser Ill have to try dialing the sensitivity way back. Unless I'm doing something wrong, my experience with the tracking has not been good. Half of the time I cant even get the tracking box to appear and when it does it bounces around randomly and seems to want to default back to Face/Eye and loses the track. This is where Sony is leagues better in their AF. Fingers crossed for more firmware updates soon.
What I don't get about the Panasonic S5 II is that it has the same sh**ty autofocus in 120fps... Everything else would have been a no brainer for me, but with some footage I just need a reliable autofocus in 120fps, for example sport. I hope they do an update, but I'm not shure if this is even possible
Hi Ed, your videos are so great that I wanna buy lumix S5 as my first pro camera , right now is on sales, if you wanna buy just one lens what would you recommend? My main use is vlog and portrait and some street shuts , Best
awesome footage thanks for sharing it. i see there is some grain applied to the image is that correct ? or is it from the original footage ? rolling shutter is the only thing that is holding me down on this choice.. but I do not have the money to afford a PRO camera.. do you have any video example of how bad it gets ? i mean beside the one that you showed on this video. thanks again
Grain was all added, footage is pretty clean straight out. of camera. In terms of rolling shutter - check out my more recent review of the 18mm lens (shot on S5 iix) - lots of movement in that - czcams.com/video/UPbAVuYN2Ns/video.html
Great in-depth review, and some beautiful footage!
Thank you for the fantastic cameras - I've been shooting on Panasonic cams for over a decade now, keep it up!👍
Appreciate you actually using poslished example footage. I always cringe when I see other reviewers being lazy with their test footage.
Thanks for checking my review out, feel like I should capture something purposeful to get a feel for the camera!
The time and attention you put into color grading your footage is much appreciated@@EdProsser
I love Your style of color grading, and way You review stuff. Thanks for being here!
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
I need this. ALL of this.
It's here for you all!
I love this review and your color grading is insane. Great information and super entertaining to watch, keep up this quality!!
Thanks for checking it out John!
Another great video! I appreciate your experience and approach. Thanks for keeping it 100% quality and not adding a bunch of "entertaining" filler like other channels. I'm sticking with the mark I for now, since I never use autofocus!
Thanks Ben - yeah I think I'm slowly developing my style for these longer in depth reviews - I find it difficult to be succinct - the original cut for this was 40 minutes 😂
@@EdProsser I hear that! You're doing great brother
This is some beautiful footage. My goodness, something about this footage is just superb. The colors, the grading. Great looking work.. That's the first thing that popped out to me. great review..
Hey Darrin thanks much for the lovely feedback, I think you can get some stunning images with this camera! Shooting in Italy helps a bit too 😋
You did a great job grading the footage, really gives it that extra push and looks very cinematic. Would you be willing to do a video about the work flow for the editing aspect? Stellar video, and obviously subbed!
So you mean workflow as in the colour grading or just how I edited the video?
@@EdProsser Just the color grading aspect, I apologize if the wording was confusing.
@@The_Mend no need to apologise at all! This tutorial might be helpful: czcams.com/video/hjsFWm-pWk4/video.html
thank you for the video ! Already have both the S5 and S5 II, but i'm the kind of nerd who just loves to hear competent people talk about stuff i love. I think that for an independant filmaker, it's hard to go wrong with either of these cameras
What do you think about S5II compared to new Sony zv e1
Yeah like you say really hard to go wrong with either S5 i or ii - TBH most modern cameras will give you stunning results these days, the competition is TIGHT
This is a great CALM video Ed!
Thanks Stanley!
I am in love with this camera two.
Was already sold with the S5. I am relatively new to filmmaking but I feel the image is way superior to the Sonys.
I come from a professional photography background and can safely say I shoot commercial gigs with this and the S5 no problem.
Ed s footage here show that this can easily be a camera for the long run.
These shots from Italy with only the 50mm 1.8 proves that. Just superb
I've always thought the Panasonic colours / image quality was preferable to that of Sony cams - I've shot with both over the years but majority on Panasonic cams.
The review also featured the DZO film vespid 35mm - honestly I preferred using that and manually focusing / adjusting iris but for native modern glass the LUMIX line of lenses is superb.
@@EdProsser Beyond the Venice, the FX9 sensor has some special sauce going on / I know Sony’s cinema line (FX3 excluded) has different processing.
I’d like to see a cinema camera from Panasonic, like an Eva 2
Beautiful footage, Ed. As always! Really enjoyed that
Thanks for checking it out Killian - will be testing out the S5 IIx over the next few weeks
You're only the one CZcamsr/Cinematographer who unlocked the potential of this camera. Special thanks for your work with color, real science of color. Only one issue that bothered me a lot is the lack of the OLPF, because the moire in videos is ruining everything for me. But again, the price point and compromises (the rolling shutter, crop in ff 60fps, lack of the olpf, slight delay on external monitor via hdmi cable) are inevitable. And it’s still a good camera.
May 23 2024 - waiting for compact Lumix camera for travel photos/videos and social media content - Cam C
Lumix s5 ii/x - Cam B
And I hope it happens this year or in the first half on next year - Lumix s1h ii - Cam A
p.s. Lumix s5 ii/x reminds me Canon 5d mark ii/iii on the body and the feelings in general
Haha thanks for the nice words! I think you can squeeze a lot out of these cams... That's why they use them. Yeah I'm really interested in their next flagship
beautiful images ! I really appriciate the way you see and present your shots! great work! thank you!
Thanks for taking the time to drop the nice feedback it always makes a difference when people do!
Absolutely beautiful colours
Stunning job as always. Thanks so much for all your work which went into this.
Thanks Matthew appreciate you dropping the nice feedback! Yes a lot of work goes into these longer review vids!!
Holly Crap. Was just about to pull the trigger on an FX3 and then I see this cameras results. Yes I know all cameras have the ability bla bla…. But considering everything you’re showing us in natural light, the image and roll off is like velvet. Nice work, very impressive.
Awesome review Ed! Lots of beautiful shots and post work.
Thanks for checking it out David and dropping the nice comment!
Dude I love your work! Your color grading Vlog video helped me improved my work exponentially so I was super excited for your take on the S5ii! Thanks man, keep on doing what your doing!
Thanks so much for the feedback and I'm so glad it was helpful. I have another v-log colour grading vid in the works, probably out in May!
@@EdProsser Can't wait! Thanks!
Thanks for this great review! I got to your channel because I’m finally switching to Davinci Resolve for hopefully everything but especially grading my S5 footage. And hands down, you’ve got some of the finest looking S5 footage floating around the interwebs! Really, i'm very impressed!
Thanks Lorenz! Need to get a few more v-log colour grading tutorials out! Been shooting a lot for my upcoming LUMIX S5 iiX review, so will hopefully do a few run tutorials using that footage.
Good luck with Resolve, I only moved to grading in it a year or two ago, am slowly moving over my edit projects as well, but I'm still faster at cutting in FCPX.
Thanks for your review! Been holding out for the new lumix line up and this seems like the perfect beginner camera! Will pick this up this year unless I find the next Lumix s1mk2 to be a better buy. Thanks!
Yes I'm interested to see if they announce a successor to the S1 / S1H
What an absolutely fantastic review Ed! Absolutely great to hear that the new Panasonic autofocus systems works with third-party lenses, and you crucially answered the question "would my old Tamron 24-70 work with this system?" that for me has well and truly tipped me over the edge. I've got an S5 Mk 1 and the EVA and will now be looking to swap both of them out for two S5 MK 2's (love the EVA, but I'm getting spoilt by that S5 full-frame look).
Absolutely stunning images in this video, your style, composition and use of colour is superb.
Wow thanks for the lovely feedback James!
I had a lot of fun with the camera. Panasonic will also be releasing the S5ii X in May so if you're planning to get 2, might be worth picking one of those up as it has additional recording codecs like Pro Res and RAW out of the box.
Nice video Ed
@@chadstarbucks5719 thanks!
Awsome review 🔥
Thanks for checking it out
Another awesome review! I really appreciate your approach to these: very real-world, real experience based and not just tech specs. You have such a distinct visual style that shines with every camera you use. It's something I've been emulating in my own work. So, I really should thank you for that! My wallet won't thank you though, if I buy this camera because of you lol
Sorry about the ol'wallet but am glad you've found this stuff useful, it's really nice to get feedback like this as it motivates me to do longer review vids.
Thanks for the awesome review and captures!
Was on the fence for getting a S5II as I need a second body along my S5.
But none of what bugs me a little from the S5 has "really" improved.
- IBIS is better but the lesser stabilisation from the S5 renders somewhat more natural mouvements.
- Moiré/Aliasing is still present.
- Autofocus is a lot better but not something I'd rely on.
The things I really like are not worth the switch.
- Full HDMI I can do without (I have clamped my micro HDMI to a full HDMI and it lives on my cage)
- Sychroscan is the only thing I really want. Flickering can be a real pain in the ass while doing corpo work.
Yes if you don't really need the AF then the mark 1 still packs a mighty punch!
Great review Ed!
I had been waiting for something like this from Lumix - I started out on Lumix, shot a bunch of weddings on the S1 before moving over to Sony for the last few years. I ended up missing a lot about the S1, but wasn't ready to give up autofocus. I ordered an S5ii as soon as it was announced and started making the move back to Lumix, adding a bunch of lenses and an S1 as a spare, but after challenging myself to work with manual focus I've been enjoying the S1 more than the S5ii - the stabilisation on the S5ii can get a bit wonky sometimes, and it's ruined a few shots, while the S1 is more controlled. Both are great cameras though, and it's nice to have the flippy screen and solid autofocus in some situations.
Yeah I recently used the S1 to shoot with some Anamorphics, great camera! Glad the AF on the S5ii has been helping you with your work, sounds like a good pairing!
I had a while section in here about annoying manual focus more but cut it for time, I'll probably spin it into its own video.
What is it you prefer on LUMIX cameras to Sony?
@@EdProsser There's a few big things that bugged me with the Sony gear - the HDMI feed doesn't fill the monitor screen if you want info displayed, which I always do. That made the manual focus experience pretty crumby. I also found the IBIS to be too jittery or grabby, and it often ruined my shots. A few other things like ergonomics and codec limitations just made it feel like a clunky chore.
In the end, I enjoy the user experience of Lumix, and the tools they provide show that they're really catering to video professionals. I'm in love with the colours too - there's a better separation between greens and skin tones, which makes for a cleaner grade, and the IBIS is so smooth. It all adds up to a more organic feeling video output.
I think the sharpness coming from the fact that 4k, might be 6k oversampling 🤔
Great channel happy that I found it ✌🏾
Yes that and the lack of optical low pass filter!
With the Panasonic S5 Mark ii I am looking forward to the Panasonic S1 Mark ii
Great review Ed, beautiful footage as always! I’m still on the fence deciding to upgrade to this, the S5iix, or also just waiting to see what else Panasonic has in store for the future
Yeah it's the eternal gamble when buying a new camera! I think as I already have the S5 mk1 I'll wait a little while to see what happens...
good review , thank you for your effort!
I was waiting for this video!! Love your content so much bud🙌
Thanks Charlie - I hope it didn't disappoint!
@@EdProsser I just finished the video and ofc it did not disappoint. You made some great points and ur footage was awesome as always!!!
love your reviews!!
I'm glad - a lot work goes into them!!
Bro been really appreciative of your reviews and videos. Been really inspiring for me to do more work in making stylistic choices in my video image.
I have loved the new auto-focus system and have also found it struggles in low light but also when there is a lot of people around and if you don't actively choose a person to track it can just want to pick whatever.
Thanks for the feedback, glad it was useful! Yeah, to me, an AF system is just a tool - and there will be times where manual focus will always be more intuitive. I'm not an AF person to be honest but was impressed with what they managed to implement on their first pass - I'm sure they'll strengthen it with time and firmware updates
Stunning footage and great review! You have earned my subscription. I have been shooting with S1 and S1R for over a year now and absolutely love this system. I came from Fujifilm and Sony. Will definitely be sticking with Lumix moving forward.
Thanks for the Sub! What is it you prefer about the LUMIX cams?
@@EdProsser I wrote a long reply listing all the things I prefer on Lumix cameras but it seems to be gone now...oh well.
Great visuals!
thanks!
Hey man I just saw WHAT Panasonic offer as advertising examples on their website (for S5 iiX) AND YOUR VIDEOS ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER - - how can they not hiring you to be their promoter?????
Thanks man! I'm currently working on my LUMIX S5 iiX review so check back for that !
I actually like the extra sharpness. It seems to produce a slightly better image than the original S5 and I think you can always make it less sharp by adjusting the settings on the camera.
All sharpness settings were set to zero so not sure there's anywhere else to go unless they add a firmware update. For me it's not my preferred look as it's a tad too harsh
Always appreciated how well thought out the videos are and this must have taken some time. Thx so much for that. I understand that these reviews are designed to feature a single camera but the comments are really helped when referenced to other cameras eg Komodo or SH1 and in terms of image quality it might have been interesting to see how it compares to the Eva and whether this could be a single operator camera re audio etc. Likewise a comparison to the Fuji XH2S and maybe the FX3, not so much in terms of image but in use and workflow. Hard to tell much about the image here as I think you favour adding a fair amount of grain to the image and it did seem maybe a litle distracting though maybe you were compensating for the perceived sharpness isssue that you mentioned. As you say tonnes of other reviews out there to check. Great to hear the EF compatability which is always an issue with the native mount and auto focus. Agree that the S1H is the real deal at a pro level (netflix approved) but for many the question always seems to be whether to go canon, Sony, or other (BMPCC6K Pro) when it comes to dslr, or sub £4K and for pro work in general it is fair to say that Sony probably rules. Again a comparison with C70 or Komodo images would have been great and the point about the rolling shutter was well made and often overlooked especially when using gimbals or favouring hand held. I guess we will all be waiting for the S1H ii to appear but IMO the BMPCC6K image and workflow still has to be a bench mark that needs to be significantly blown away by any new camera release and I am not sure that the S1H managed to be better in terms of image though it was considerably more a hybrid experience, also full frame, anamorphic open gate and batteries etc, so it will be interesting to see if its just an autofocus upgrade raher than an image upgrade. The S1H can be worth it for the EVF alone for those who shoot that way but flawed autofocus always seems to make it the poorer cousin to canon and sony. Maybe not now. That said the the lack of EVF in the FX3 and C70 has always seemed bizarre to me if they trying to be professional cine cameras and not hybrid. Having to buy an expensive third party zacuto isnt always possible but it is an absolute essential for DOPs in general and that is the often unspoken genius of dslr design in that they have a build in EVF. ??? Meanwhile thanks so much for the video and the continuing valued thoughts.
Yes totally get your point, although I don't have access to all those cameras - and I do feel sometimes camera reviews can get bogged down in endless comparisons between cameras - as a smaller channel (and spare time CZcamsr) I don't currently have the time or resources to do that... I think channels like CVP are always better placed to do the more technical break downs.
What I hope I can offer is a more personal perspective as a working professional who uses this type of kit in my day to day work and show what it's capable (or not capable) of doing. When I approach my reviews I don't want to repeat what others have already said - as I see that happening a lot.
Having said that - I did actually do a quick test shot between S5, S5ii, FX6, EVA1 and Komodo - unfortunately the footage from the S5 and S5ii disappeared (it must not have imported and I later wiped the card, that's the issue of trying to squeeze YT into my small pockets of spare time).
I do still have the comparison shots between the other cameras which I'll probably post in the next month.
@@EdProsser hey thanks for that and I totally understand. I guess the question many people have in their minds when looking at CZcams camera or gear pieces might be Ok I have the money to buy a camera or a light or some lenses so what should I buy and how will it add value. Fomo also plays its part. No one wants to get left behind if there’s a revolution going on. There are so many great pieces of kit but professionals are perhaps expected to have the inside scoop on gear that really works not so much gear that could work. I have the same questions rolling around in my head constantly since the day I started filming and it really comes down to what is the rig that allows me to shoot professionally. In truth that has always been unaffordable and rental has always been the solution I have resorted to but we are now in the world of content creators owner operators and the margins between a dslr and cine camera is narrowing but not without compromises which might not be obvious to the inexperienced. What lens is worth picking up? A sigma 24-70mm with IS and auto focus or a set of Leica Rs?? I guess the way in is to see images that look great, admittedly on CZcams but that are also made by an affordable set up and ideally in an innovative way or maybe analyse the pros with shotdeck and bts and work out what really is making the difference. Ironically the pros won’t know. When you are surrounded by gear the last thing you do is spend time thinking about doing without. The 5d and Sony A7sii scared them all and allowed a revolution as did the BMPCC4K at an affordable price suddenly amazing shallow dof isolation of the subject, low light and wysiwyg filmic images that a lot of cinematographers in film looked enviously at. Didn’t need a 10 man crew to hump the camera and grip. Gimbal drones and mini sliders allowed production values to go off the charts for newbies when it came to camera movement and it made the 4 man crew pushing a dolly on a track look ridiculous. Yet so many of us are still looking for a cheap dolly shot push in that really nails it like a pro with crew yet done by a single owner operator. Creativity could maybe be measured by and be directly proportional to how easy it is to shoot at no cost and so the owner operator is king if the rig they have isn’t a professional compromise. Does that mean buying an easyrig?? Maybe. Or lights c stands a tonne of flags and rags. Soon it’s a van and a whole other grip truck with generators to be managed. Or is using a dslr with ibis great auto focus and a high quality evf enough to nail focus, all Netflix approved for a push in and shoot all day like a pro. For sure the fx6 and c70 feel like proper cameras but no evf??! No decent monitor solution?! no sdi?? They are not the solution. Would an Eva ii be?? The c300iii with a £3k canon evf is probably close but way over priced as an ef solution so even with its price drop two years too late, maybe the new c200ii will be what we have all been waiting for. Not sure if the Eva was ever right for you and maybe the Komodo is doing the trick but I would be interested to know what your ideal set up would be or maybe you have it. For sure it’s not always an Alexa. Thanks for all your thoughts and feedback.
Im in LOVE w this cam
Can't really go wrong with it, esp. with the killer AF
@@EdProsser exActly!
Hey Ed!, very impressed! great review!!
Glad you liked it!
Unreal Footage
Thanks Karlo!
Great review. I especially agree with your last point about waiting to see what else Panasonic have planned. Ultimately I would love for them to create a full frame version of the GH5S. Lower megapixel count geared for video, good rolling shutter performance. Basically like the A7SIII.
Yeah I think since moving to the Komodo I've noticed the slower sensor readout / rolling shutter of the S5 a lot more - if they release an S1H successor I really hope it's something with a drastically reduced rolling shutter.
But to be fair, this is a sub £2K camera - so can't knock it really, it's amazing value for money!
@@EdProsser Yeah I really can't complain about the features they have added. It beats everything in the price range by a huge margin.
Mate, your S5 footage was stellar. This is taking it up a notch. That light dappling @ 12m38! Would you mind me asking if you're using Dehancer or something similar?
Thanks Pete ! There were a few diff node structures for this - but majority of shots were adapted from the Film Vision powergrade from Serr (google it) - I'm about to do a bit of testing with Dehancer as never really used it before - so there will be videos on it coming soon!
@@EdProsser Thank you! That looks ace! Dehancer does a similar thing by the looks of it. Cheers! In any case, your frames look stellar.
@@PeteMajarich thank you Pete, I'm excited to dig into dehancer!
crazy good review
Glad you enjoyed it!
Your video is the single reason I bought an s5 as a b-cam for my EVA-1 yesterday (yes in 2024), instead of an s1H. Love the Eva with old glass - had a colorist ask if my last doc short was shot on an Alexa mini. Curious what you've found to be the best mini HDMI to HDMI cable maker for connecting the s5 to an external monitor? Favorite portable tripod to take this on a long hike with? Thanks Ed.
Ah so good to hear! Still love and use my EVA1!
I'm not super picky with cables so whatever I found on Amazon at the time that didn't look too flimsy(!)
I wouldn't usually take a tripod on a hike so don't have any super light weight options, I love shooting handheld!
I've got a "light weight" aluminium manfrotto tripod I use as my small job tripod, it has a video head and is pretty solid but compact, will take my Komodo as well.
Great overview Ed.
Thanks William!
Great views. Thank you.
No problemo!
we need 4k 120fps in the Lumix s5ii & s5iix like gh6
Do you actually need it? I rarely shoot above 50fps, but I mostly shoot people...
Finding it difficult choose between the s5 and s5ii. I make short films but pretty much by myself so autofocus would be revolutionary but 90% percent of s5ii videos on CZcams look no where near as good as s5 videos. But this footage looks beautiful. Cheers
The S5 has a slightly smoother image, the mark 2s seem to have a bit over over sharpening in them for some reason, some of this can be overcome with lens choice and filtration. If the AF and extra recording formats in the mark 2s are going to be useful id say go with them - you can also shoot raw on the mark 2s which seems to remove these processing issues.
Great review, thank you so much! Quick question: did you add some digital grain to the footage in post (like from 9:00 to 9:30)? It seemed more grainy than other videos I saw for outdoor daylight scenarios, so I was wondering if it was digital grain or maybe noise from the ISO. It looks gorgeous though.
Yes it'll be digital grain! As these shots are 6k open gate maybe the grain has been down sized or affected when mixed in with the other 4k shots and exported at 4k
I bought an S5II off your recommendation! The motion of your footage is smoother and judder less obvious. Are you shooting slightly slower than a 180 shutter or applying anything in post to make the footage smoother?
I think usually shooting with 180 deg. Any slow mo will be in APS-c mode which has a much faster sensor read out speed and therefore less rolling shutter / judder. Open gate / 6k tends to have the worst rolling shutter.
Thanks Ed@@EdProsser
Ed this is great! Question for you, do you ever use ISO other than 640 or 4000 for the footage in this?
I might bounce below 640 occasionally but generally tend to try stick to either of those. The Mark 2's a bit noiser in their image - so the higher ISO might get a bit grainy if underexposed - I try to give it as much light as possible.
Nice Review and nice city, Turin♥
Thanks! And yes! Love the city, my partner is from Turin.
Great video and an amazing review! The sample (eg 18:00) footage shows sharp grain even after the YT compression, what is your export settings? I've heard people directly upload Quicktime ProRes 422, is it the case here? Thanks
Thanks! Yes it took me a while to figure out best upload settings.
I like to upload Pro Res where I can, but for a longer video like this pro res tends to give too large a file size - so I think I went for a 4K H264 this time - I find you can get good results with 75-100 Mbps and preserve grain.
Great review. So are you going for the S5iiX now? S1H mark 2 may not happen in near future.
I am pleased to report I have an S5 IIX in my hands now... More to follow shortly.
@@EdProsser Congratulations! Can't wait for your review:)
Beautiful shots! You got a new subscriber out of me good sir
Ahh thanks man! Means a lot, been following your channel for a while.
@@EdProsser nice! Thanks for supporting the channel. I am very eager to get my hands on the X. So maybe we will be Lumix brethren again soon. I’ve missed my s5 mk 1
Thanks for your video and all the great looking footage. I do have a point or two to mention. The S5II does much more than AF.
I really love to shoot fully manual myself with 3rd party lenses. But until the S5II I've never been able to manually focus, start recording, move my focus box, punch in while recording, and perform a focus pull.
That's right. Panasonic fixed that as well, which is extremely important when you're shooting manual focus. There are other things too you can do while rolling--can't think of them right now.
You are right, to be honest I monitor with an external monitor, but good to know they fixed this!
Great review and really nice color grading. The IBIS is a bit annoying on some shots though. As you correctly say one has to know its limitations. I prefer the look of real handheld as in your BS1H review.
Yeah it can be quite intense sometimes particularly for focal lengths of 35mm and under - I'm assuming they might tweak it a bit. I'm currently testing the S5 IIx and I think my solution will be to bulk the camera up and maybe disable IBIS... or use stabilised lenses...
@@EdProsser True. Having tested several IBIS systems I found that it is only really useful for more or less locked off shots with very limited movement. Once you begin to move, especially tracking, it becomes unpredictable and can seriously ruin a shot. This is all camera manufacturers across the board. I guess its why a lot of people still prefer box style cine cams.
@@andreasbulowhansen9413 me personally I much prefer the motion in the Komodo and the added weight helps stabilise it. I do think the IBIS in the S5 is very impressive I think I just need to test it a bit more to know it's limitations. I'd probably disable at focal lengths 35 and under and it's probably fine above that.
Looks great and ticks pretty much all the boxes for a great price.
But hearing about the rolling shutter makes me a little worried, I do a lot of on-train shots and vehicles - if I wasn't doing such things it'd be a no brainer, now I'm on the fence.
If you stick it in S35 mode you do get much better performance
@@EdProsser Thanks! I'll keep it in mind
Thank you for an excellent review, however, the musical interludes, except for the final one, were overpoweringly LOUD!
Yeah sorry about that! Moved over to resolve from FCPX to edit this and hadn't quite got the audio workflow ironed out!
Subscribed (Fuji Xpro2 user). I've visited Wex photo a number of times to play with this camera. Menu is fairly intuitive after a while. Xh2s, fx30 and the s5 II
I'd love to try some of the Fuji cams but never had a chance to play with them!
Oh the color is insanely beautiful, did you use any lut?
Thanks! - made a video about it recently if you're interested - czcams.com/video/hjsFWm-pWk4/video.htmlsi=hVHxOAnWicWd81ls
Great review.
Your model has a great look and expression. Don't think I would challenge her to a game of poker!
Is rolling shutter any better in super 35 or APSC crop?
Been using Lumix since 2012 and have learned to live with the focus. I recently had cataract surgery on my right eye so now I can manually focus quite well.
There is a package on sale currently including the 85mm basically for free......quite tempted...
Yes rolling shutter is much better I'm aps-c mode. I often shoot in that mode if I need better motion
Amazing work, I'm going to buy one of these.. did you film that footage with an external SSD, or internal... and what codec / bit rate ... looks sooo good :)))
All shot internally, 4k, I think Long-gop
@@EdProsser thanks Mate.. wasn’t sure whether to go for s5iix but your footage looked insane… is that a Kodak film grain over the top or custom LUT
@@888berg thanks! Check out my review on the S5iix if you want to know a bit more about that! The grain is from Davinci resolve
Hi, I have just discovered that this camera doesn’t have a low-pass filter so you get easily the moirè effect in some circumstances. have you notified that issue? Thanks
you are right there - honestly I've not had huge issues for the types of stuff I shoot. I also shoot with softer cine-lenses - and often with diffusion filters which help mitigate this. If you're shooting lots of sharp edges / patterns / buildings - something to bare in mind.
Lumix S5II or Sony FX30? I will be shooting short films, & music videos. I have a Sony a6400 and the auto focus & low light is a beast for a crop sensor. But its time for a upgrade.
I think it boils down to your personal preference to colour science / image quality - both cams will allow you to create amazing work - so you can't really go wrong!
Keep coming back to your work with VLog as inspiration!
I wanted to ask, do you have a preferred variable ND filter? I’m stuck in analysis paralysis regarding which one to buy. The things I shoot generally don't allow time to change fixed ND’s, so a VND is needed in my kit bag.
Ah thanks! I used the H&Y Revoring VND and it's amazing, I'm not actually sure if they still make them but it's one of the best bits of kit that no one seems to have heard of!
@@EdProsser You can add me to that list - never heard of it! I’ll be checking it out today though.
great video! I'm dying to try this camera out. When coming from a S5 mk1 to a mk2, the trade in value is still quite good, depending where you go. To me I can tell Panasonic invested so much in the ibis and color science, and now with the phase detect It puts them ahead of Sony in terms of overall workflow (vlog is a joy to work with). Will you try the S2x when it comes out?
I might - although for me it's mostly an addition of tech specs (recording codecs and RAW) - so I'm not super interested in doing a video on it - unless people really want my take on it - I'm sure a lot of CZcamsrs will give a good low down on it. I think if I were choosing between the two I might opt for the S5 iix - as it's only a couple of hundred £££ more and the features seem worth it!
Been looking forward to your review of this Ed. I'm still on the mark i and the Autofocus is literally the only thing that I can fault it on, so I might well upgrade to the Mark ii eventually, especially as I already have the lenses for it!
Yeah it's a tricky one if you're not totally in need of the new AF - I think from my perspective it would be a useful tool to have in my arsenal - but at the mo I'm gonna wait a little while to see what else comes along - I wouldn't mind splurging a little more to get a camera that succeeds the S1H - especially with affordable anamorphic - I'd really like a killer full frame open gate camera with fast sensor read out!
If you do any sort of external recording I'd suggest you just wait till the 2iix and get that version. Plus the recording to ssd is a nice touch.
Excellent video -I really enjoy your work and ability to make reviews. I’m struggling with a decision to switch systems to Lumix and torn between the regular and X version. And would love your opinion here. This will be my personal kit for family and personal projects plus photography- I use a couple C70’s for my day job and R6 for photo. With that being said, I’m hard pressed not to go for the biggest quality codecs the X offers, but convincing myself the S5ii video will be just fine in Long GOP even with it limited to the 200mbps. As of now, the sale prices for S5ii ends up being a little over $400 USD cheaper than the X. Which is significant. Your original S5 footage blew me away and still makes me think I don’t “need” those super high recording rates. What’s your thought here? Think I’ll regret not just doing the X? Thank you!
Check back here in an hour as my iiX review is about to go live!
I think if it's for personal work and family stuff, the S5 mk2 will do just fine! The biggest draw of the iiX is probably the BRAW and Pro Res functionality... but unless you're pumping out professional projects the more compressed codecs will still serve you well!
review just went live here: czcams.com/video/EsDJROmvBZ8/video.html
Ed, thanks a million for your fast reply and perspective! I’ll definitely check out the new review. Cheers!
Another stellar review. Love the images you create. I wonder if the release of the ZV E1 is going to lower the price if this mark 2 since it offers so much
Yes I don't know! I've been pretty busy recently so haven't had chance to dig into the spec of that camera - but I've heard some negative stuff about it overheating...
Nooo totally different beasts, the E1 doesn't seem suitable for professional use.
The Sony is a fancy toy with great marketing and gimmick software features
I really love your work and trust your opinion and recommendation. I am looking to try either the OG S5 or this S5ii and wondered which you would choose if pressed. Similar to you I love cameras that have an organic quality to their output and while autofocus is nice, it's not necessary (I really only use it when filming myself for YT). More important to me are IBIS as I'm always out and about with my camera and to be able to capture both still and video with character. On paper I gravitate toward the OG S5 but am curious where you would land if you had to choose as I imagine I'd be in whatever camp your opinion rests in if I tried them both.
Both are great! I'd probably opt for the S5ii it's more modern, has better IBIS and you may find later that the AF comes in handy (as I did!!!) the diff in image is there but it's not gonna make a huge difference overall. I generally use my S5 iix on professional shoots over the S5
I so appreciate the response @@EdProsser. The S5ii it is!
Hi, great review, I have particularly enjoyed it because you have shot it in my city Torino, isn't it a beautiful city to photograph? :) I have ordered the S5IIX, haven't received it yet, I have subscribed to your channel. For the rolling shutter, a workaround could be to shoot in crop mode, readout from the sensor would be faster. Ciao !!
Yes I love it!! My partner is from Turin so we visit a lot.
Stay tuned as I have a review of the S5 IIX in the works.
some people just have the talent (you probably out of the gate when you started, ) I checked out your web page.... beautiful images ..." People" photos especially . Now this model that is showing here has such a compelling face that it is hard to follow along with your dialogue. I'm keep trying (in my mind) to cast her in some big budget film with great dialogue and story... She has one of those faces that carry" frame" charisma. The light and lens have harmony looking her way.
14:54 was this with the 50mm? Gorgeous portraits
Yes!
@@EdProsser amazing!
This review was excellent, so pleasing to watch, thank you! One question I have is if the S5 ii also needs that paid firmware update for shooting 6k ProRes raw externally
Hey yes for the standard s5ii you'll need the licence key to access BRAW and Pro Res Raw
@@EdProsser And the update will make the camera able to shoot Pro Res Raw also internally? Otherwise, it's a downgrade over the S5 for video makers who don't use AF that much.
@@zolen3046 you will need an external recorder to capture RAW. PRR = atomos / BRAW = BM VA 12G. This was the same as the mark 1.
sony fx30 vs Lumix s5ii which one is more better for videography?
It's really difficult to say which is best!! They've both quite different, one is Super35 and one is full frame. Me personally, I've always preferred the look and use of Panasonic cameras.
My advice is that if you're struggling to decide, try to rent or borrow one and see which feels better for you.
Bottom line - which ever you get, you can't go wrong and will be able to make amazing work!
Does the rolling shutter in aps-c mode feel better? And if so, is there a dynamic range difference between FF and aps-c? I know low light performance will probably take a hit, but I wonder if it's just a good S35 camera. Better rolling shutter, cheaper lenses and going up to 4K60 with no crop difference seems interesting. I'm not looking for super blurry backgrounds anyways lol.
I didn't have time to test this scientifically, but yes it felt like the rolling shutter was better in aps-c mode - I agree - I often stick my original S5 in APS-C to get a bit of extra reach on my lenses - it doesn't really matter if I'm on a tight shot and lighting the scene anyway.
Great video. should take a look at the xh2s too (better rolling shutter, no hdmi lag, prores)
Thanks, I'm really interested to try some of the Fuji cams!
Great review! What types of cards are you using, particularly for video, for this camera?
Thanks Andy! I use 128gb v90 cards generally, got multiple brands, Manfrotto, Angelbird and ProGrade. Been using them for years, previously in my EVA1
@@EdProsser Thanks!
so i have the S5, and love it, and i also have the bmpcc 4k, 6k g2 and the OG, and yeah i do see the "digital-ness" of what you talk about especially when using the 4th gen blackmagic color science (which is just outstanding i think). but i think i will be picking up the S5iix because i do shoot in anamorphic quite a bit and the open gate and the codexes make that super interesting. the thing that really kills it for me with the S5 is just how ridiculously good it is at the hybrid thing. Stills are just amazing, and it's the most fun camera i've ever had to just take out and do street photography, urban landscape etc. i just throw on an old (40+ year old) vintage 28mm lens on it and go!
It's a fab camera! I'd love to test the S5 with anamorphic lenses - I've been testing the Great Joy lenses but unfortunately didn't have them when I had the S5. I did shoot on the S1 in open gate, my only advice would be to watch for the rolling shutter as I think it will also be pretty bad on the S5 ii in 6k open gate. Not a huge issue unless you're moving the camera a lot.
@@EdProsser oh that is great advice! i don't typically whip the camera around too much but still, i hadn't considered that but will now! thanks!
@@DavidPalmer_blinder Anamorphics look BEAUTIFUL open gate on the LUMIX cams I just noticed some wobbly stuff with camera movement
Nice video. Thanks.
How is the full hd mode? Is it any good up to let's say 120 fps without crop?
HD image in 1080 is superb, not tested higher frame rates yet!
You mention using the KOMODO... is it more likely that you would use the Komodo?
I mean different tools for diff jobs - I think it's a testament to the S5 that I still rate and use it even after getting a Komodo. I often use the S5 as a b-cam to the Komodo - they go really well together.
If I'm working on a smaller budget job or something with quick turn around - then the S5 is often a good choice! Or if I have to travel super light.
Beautiful! How was your experience with editing Long GOP and H265 - especially with Open Gate 6k? And any chance you could upload some of the original footage to test? Thanks!
I'm on an M1 Mac so generally fine, I've been working with both codecs for a while as my EVA1 shot on both. The 6k open gate definitely slows down, esp. after a grade.
I'll try get some footage up at some point, this project is archived now so if I find time I will.
@@EdProsser Appreciate it!
you got 1 sub, and i like the color and look you used. Could you please share how you did that, Thank in advace.
Thanks! Pretty much everything is graded in Davinci Resolve using the FilmVision powergrade from Serr (google it) - and I've modified it a bit to suite my taste
@@EdProsser Thank alot
Indeed the S5II looks sharper than the S5 in V-Log but not in a good way. The difference is not night day though. However the standard profiles are much worse than on the S5. The noise reduction and details filtering kills very fine details in low light, I made a comparison about this issue on my channel. I thought it was because of the Phase Detect but V-Log has not this issue so I hope Panasonic will fix this soon.
Yeah my feeling is that it's something in the image processing that needs tweaking. Hopefully easy enough to do with firmware update as you say.
Nice review - one thing about your image - the blacks look quite crushed. Which seems a shame (to my eye) because you are losing a lot of the DR, and ability to see into the shadows, that these amazing cameras give us.
The look reminds me of something you would see around the time the first canon 5d mark 2 / 7d came out - lots of crunchy blacks!
Of course i understand that this is probably an artistic decision on your part. Or you may be going for a retro feel - its definitley unique in this space.
Love what you say about manual focus.
Thanks for watching I hear you! I do try to go for a darker / grungier / moodier / film feel, which is often contrasty and sits lower in the grade. So yes it comes at a cost of some detail in the low end, i.e. in her coat. For me this helps get away from the digital "video" look, but it's a stylistic choice.
Manual focus - I had a whole 10 minute section on how much more I enjoyed using the cam with my manual focus lens, but cut it for time.
Love my s5mark1 no go for the s5iix
Beautiful footage!
Do you need a SmallRig 3010 Mini Follow Focus?
Or is it also easy to do on the lens itself?
I do indeed think that this technique has to learn from manual focusing, especially with backlit shots!
On a small camera like this I don't tend to use a follow focus, I use my hand!
@@EdProsser Good to know, I thought in connection with cine lenses that it was impossible to focus like that!
@@pfv3462 it depends on the lens and what you want to do - if you're doing large focus pulls then maybe, the vespids are quite small so fairly easy to focus by hand
@@EdProsser Ok I'll try that first and see what works best!
Thanks for your quick reply, I'll follow your findings about this S5II closely ;-)
It is a very good review, from a man who knows the Panasonic cameras!
your wife is a beautiful model 😉
@@pfv3462 we are not actually married - but she is my partner and very patient in allowing me to film her for my camera tests! We're currently testing the LUMIX S5 IIX
Hi,is that footage handheld with any rig ?or just camera in plane hands you showed in the begining?Have you applied any stabilisation ?Handheld footage was better than gimbal one😃in my opinion or maybe oposite 🤨
All handheld, using the internal IBIS, I also had an external monitor to add weight.
Been looking forward to this review from you since FOREVER. I shoot on the Panasonic EVA-1 & Panasonic S1 combo but always found the Panasonic S1 tedious for gimbal work. I do quite a few events shoot and sometimes shoot exclusively on gimbal. Since the release of the S5ii I've been thinking really hard. I know my current camera setup is all I need in terms of image quality wise. But I think I will go ahead and ahead, the quality of life improvement will be worth it. Question, are you using the Tamron 24-70 G1 or G2 version?
I think if you can afford it and the AF will make your life easier - go for it!
Definitely know what it's like to compromise on jobs and sometimes just having an easier workflow makes life less stressful and frees you up to be more creative.
I was using the G1 as I picked it up very cheap years ago for run and gun doc work. I may pick up the sigma 24-70 at some point. But yeah really surprised at how well it worked whilst being adapted.
@@EdProsser to go off of Jeffery's question. Have you had a chance to compare the Tamron's autofocus and stabilization vs Non-adapted glass?
I'm currently trying to decide between using the Tamron 24-70 G2, Lumix 24-105, or Sigma 24-70. Ideally, I'd love to use the Tamron for low light + stabilization. But if it doesn't compete with the 24-105's stabilization/ autofocus then I might lean a different way.
@@LaurenceLee I think native glass is always gonna give you the best results. I've not tested the G2 - was considering buying one a while back but think I'll go for the sigma 24-70 in EF and then I can use with my Komodo.
I only had the camera for a few weeks and was mad busy with client work so there was only so much I could test in my time with it!
@@EdProsser Very understandable. thank you for getting back. Once you get the 24-70 feel free to come back and let me know how that stabilization works compared to dual IS.
@@LaurenceLee I am on the same boat as you. I bought the 24-105 earlier last month and while I find it extremely versatile from shooting livestreams to events, I find the the F4 quite limiting despite the native 4000 of the S cameras. I also find that I would really love the bokeh I can get from an F2.8 zoom. However, the stabilization is really super amazing. If the image is really your priority, get the 2.8 zooms. I am on the fence on whether to go with native zooms or EF zooms. I love the manual focusing on the EF zooms and can't seem to get used to the electronic focus on the Panasonic S 50 1.8. I find that I miss focus very easily especially on moving subjects when I'm on manual focus. CHOICES CHOICES
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with us! I can confirm the slight oversharpening compared to the original S5. However, I find the color noise behavior more disturbing. The S5 MK2 shows significant green in the shadows, the MK1 shows a more natural black and white noise behavior. The real reason I returned the camera is a sound interference problem when connecting an external microphone to the jack audio port. There is a high frequency pulsating sound that doubles its frequency when you switch the frame rate from 25p to 50p. This annoying sound can only be heard very quietly, but it is disturbing in quiet passages during interviews, for example. I am waiting for the S5 MK2 X and hope that Panasonic will notice the issue in time and shield the audio signal path better.
Hey Martin - no trouble at all - thanks for checking out the video - that's really frustrating to hear about your issues - I've not heard about the audio issue before - but I have had issues similar to this with cameras over the years.
I'm also interested in the S5mk2 X undecided whether I'll pick one up but I think it'll be really useful for this CZcams stuff...
I'm hoping the image quality issues can be tuned and tidied up with firmware - I'm sure it's to do with the sensor modification for the new AF system.
@@EdProsser Yes, regarding the image issues I'm hoping for a firmware fix too.
Maybe it was just my unit which was affected by the audio issue. If you can find some spare time, follow these steps:
1. Set the camera to movie mode in a quiet room
2. Connect an external microphone to the Mic-Port (if it is a battery powered device, you can leave it switched off)
3. In the audio menu, set the „Sound Rec Gain Level“ to „Low“ (in „Standard“ the issue is less pronounced)
4. Set the Audio Level to Zero or + dB to emphasize the issue
5. Put your headphones on (I use low impedance wired EarPods from an old iPhone) and note a pulsing high pitched interference sound
6. Press the lens lock/unlock button to make the sound disappear for some seconds
7. Toggle the Movie Recording Options from 25p to 50p to double the speed of the pulsing sound
8. Switch the dial “Movie Mode“ to Manual "M“ to hear the sound change it’s frequency
Are you sure the audio interference was actually recorded in camera? Often I use headphones that aren't sufficiently shielded and pick up noise / interference but it doesn't carry through to camera recording....
@@EdProsser Unfortunately it gets recorded. That's why I returned the camera. Guess it is hardware related, has something to do with the new autofocus system and cannot be fixed via firmware.
Turin! :)
My partner is from Turin - we visit a lot!
Great review Ed. I also have the camera. I'm curious if you ever tried any scenes with multiple people using AF. Thus far it seems the camera likes to bounce around and in say a tracking shot where multiple people might be in the frame it can struggle to stick with one.
I did a little - I did find this - but it did also depend on the AF mode I had it set to and the position of camera / framing - I shot in a busy market and it did jump from people to people - but not in a problematic way, I also turned down the sensitivity and that helped a bit. If you're wanting to track just one person you could set it in tracking mode.
I think what I learnt is that a powerful AF system is definitely a tool you need to test and master to get the best out of it - and there are certain settings that suit different shooting environments better.
@@EdProsser Ill have to try dialing the sensitivity way back. Unless I'm doing something wrong, my experience with the tracking has not been good. Half of the time I cant even get the tracking box to appear and when it does it bounces around randomly and seems to want to default back to Face/Eye and loses the track. This is where Sony is leagues better in their AF. Fingers crossed for more firmware updates soon.
What I don't get about the Panasonic S5 II is that it has the same sh**ty autofocus in 120fps... Everything else would have been a no brainer for me, but with some footage I just need a reliable autofocus in 120fps, for example sport. I hope they do an update, but I'm not shure if this is even possible
Yeah I'd say the S5 isn't the best cam for sports /fast-action it has a slightly slower sensor readout
@@EdProsser yeah, thanks for your review 🙏🏻
Hi ed, may i ask which lens vou used in 9:10 shot❤ thanks
I think that's the DZOFilm vespid 35mm!
Hi Ed, your videos are so great that I wanna buy lumix S5 as my first pro camera , right now is on sales, if you wanna buy just one lens what would you recommend? My main use is vlog and portrait and some street shuts ,
Best
Great! I'd look at the sigma 28-70 as it's a pretty decent price and an excellent focal range that will handle a lot of jobs
@@EdProsser thank you buddy
If it had CFexpress I would be upgrading right away. Dunno why they stuck with SD cards
I guess it helps keeps cost down for the user and the smaller body size...
How did you grade the footage in the examples?
This vid might help! czcams.com/video/hjsFWm-pWk4/video.htmlsi=a3xdbLvASeX74rjN
cinematic footage. 👍🏻👍🏻
👍👎👍👎
awesome footage thanks for sharing it.
i see there is some grain applied to the image is that correct ? or is it from the original footage ?
rolling shutter is the only thing that is holding me down on this choice.. but I do not have the money to afford a PRO camera..
do you have any video example of how bad it gets ? i mean beside the one that you showed on this video.
thanks again
Grain was all added, footage is pretty clean straight out. of camera. In terms of rolling shutter - check out my more recent review of the 18mm lens (shot on S5 iix) - lots of movement in that - czcams.com/video/UPbAVuYN2Ns/video.html