There’s no denying that it is quite remarkable what a small com-any like Leica has achieved over the past 5 years with the SL system. And I know you don’t like to talk about products outside the Leica brand, but what for me really converted SL into a true ‘system’ over the past few years is how the cameras are getting support from other manufacturers. Full tethering with live view in Capture one, various very good macro options up to even 2:1 (Laowa), adapters (sigma, novoflex) to harvest the full EF-mount Arsenal (tilt-shift, super tele, etc), super wide-angle (Laowa), very affordable and light weight primes (sigma), advanced video cameras (Panasonic), etc, etc. Still holding hopes up on Profoto….
I just ordered the SLS-2 with 24-70 (can't call it a kit lens because calling this a kit lens would be an insult 😀) and with this channel, I think I have found "my people". Love your passion and the geekiness (and I say this with the highest praise) for Leica and photography.
I just took the quiz. Kristen is a genius. First, the questions were wonderful. Second, the quiz answers picked the camera I bought befor going to Paris!
You really should make a part 2 of this episode, talking about the L mount alliance. It's a bit restrictive to only limit the SL system to Leica. It's so much vaster. There is plenty of very interesting and qualitative lenses from the two other members (and some third)! 😉
End of 2020 I did an extended side-by-side trial of different high-res mirrorless cameras to replace my previous Fujifilm gear for fashion and make-up portrait work. I ended up with two finalists: the Z7II and the SL-2. Both are exceptionally good stills cameras. I decided to go with the Z7II to go along with my H6D. The main reason was the lacking Profoto support. When I mentioned this to a Profoto account manager, he smiled mysteriously and told me to ‘wait and see’. So, that lead me to the conclusion that Profoto support is on its way. Professionally I am by no means disappointed with the Nikon performance. It’s a great (small) camera and dito lenses, but personally my heart lies with Leica and either my M10-R or the Q2 Monochrome are always within reach. By the way, thanks again for a great show. Entertainment and valuable insights go hand-in-hand.
Sorry I am commentating late - this is one of the best shows you guys have ever done. You have really helped convey the incredible performance of the SL camera and lenses and what it represents in both the Leica world and photography in general. Your perspective - which you objectively test - on the differences in performance is right on. Wide open SL lenses are fairly unique and though I own tons of M lenses, only the 35APO and 75mm Noctilux truly compare in absolute performance. There are many other goals you guys well note for lenses, but at least the air has been cleared on this front. The SL is still the most “under-appreciated” of the major Leica camera lines and you guys helped remind everyone of just how amazing this mirrorless system has become. Kudos!!!!!
You're a Leica CL. You are just a straight up cool cat. You're the MINI that dominated Monte Carlo. Although unassuming at first, you are a quiet force to be reckoned with. Don’t short change yourself. Thanks for this Quiz!! it was fun!
Great video. Positioned the zooms vs prime selection very well. The 90-280 is more versatile than a 70 200 f2.8 with a 1.4 teleconverter that become a f4, 105 280. If you need more length Sigma is the only option.
I would have liked to have seen David carrying all that equipment in a backpack on a hiking expedition. I love the concept and design of these cameras and I am planning to move into the system next year but the size and weight of the zoom lenses is ridiculous ! I expect to be using mostly M lenses.
The quiz was fun and apparently I am a M3 man which is unreal. I haven’t shot film for eons and I said to a friend just a couple of months ago that I would never shoot film again for all the uncertainties, waiting, costs and what if I missed (very likely) the shot and never have the chance to travel back to this distant spot to shoot it again?! But thanks to your show on M Analogue cameras, I am now eagerly waiting for an M3 to arrive 😜 Thanks for sharing all the knowledge in a very entertaining show👍🏼
I hope there will be an SL camera with the Monochrome sensor out of the Q2 Monochrome. This should take minimum R&D dollars and give us an Mirrorless interchangeable lens camera in L mount so we can utilize our L mount glass. Is this even something Leica is working on?
It will be amusing if SL3 can go back to the SL 4 buttons layout plus front 2 buttons. That 4 button layout design is so Leica original, and easy to use. If one know his camera.
Even though we used (and liked) the four-button layout since the launch of the Leica S2 in 2009, the new unified thee button interface with long-press customizable function buttons is an improvement. Faster and more flexible in real use.
Focus on the main important thing! In a video about a stylish camera the most important thing is .... correct the cam. If the main aspect on your video is too dark, because it is black on a black background ... raise the exposure. We do not care if your hand will be too bright or your shirt. I came here because of leica.
This Leica SL2-S is amazingly built. I'm so excited to learn about the firmware additions. I wish someone is aware of a cheat sheet for purchase. I would like to accelerate becoming a Leica pro. Please.
Bit of an odd question perhaps . . . I've got an SL2--S (came with an M adaptor as a package deal) . . . I use four vintage R lenses I just LOVE with the SL2-S and I have a 75 SL Summicron lens I love also for the SL 'native' and autofocus experience. With the M adaptor, I am thinking of getting at least one M lens just to diversify my experience . . . . so I am looking at the M 50 mm Summilux lens. But I am also considering the 'native' SL 50 Summilux. Now, OBVIOUSLY the two are radically different experiences . . . radical weight and size differences and autofocus versus manual focus . . . of course!! . . . BUT BEYOND that . . . putting ALL of that aside . . . any thoughts / insights / wisdom on the differences between the optical capacity, image output / quality / characteristics of the M 50 mm Summilux and SL 50 mm Summilux lenses on the SL2-S?
I did a pano with multi shot and I'm blown away with the result and present it's at the printers being printed at 5ft x 4ft be interested in the result.
@@RedDotForum I have now received the print back from the printers and just wow. The photo is of my city of Bath in the UK from a hill f top, the detail is amazing. The photo is being mounted and is going to be auctioned off for a local charity. Having moved from canon in lockdown firstly buying the Q2 I was hooked ,I just had to get the Sl2 without a single regret.
Is there a roadmap for future Summicron-SL lenses? Are they designing a 24 or 21? Also, in considering the Vario Elmarit 24-70 f2.8 I'm wondering if it is weather-sealed as you mention with the 24-90mm?
Here's the link you're looking for: www.reddotforum.com/content/2018/09/leica-adds-three-more-sl-prime-lenses-to-roadmap/ You can see that the 21 and 24 Summicron-SL lenses were originally slated to be launched by the end of 2020. Of course, there were global extenuating circumstances which pushed back the original timeline. Given the recent release of the of the 28mm, we are hoping that the 21 and 24 will be coming soon. Yes, all of the SL lenses are weather and dust sealed, including the 24-70mm f/2.8.
The L bracket is what I’m looking for can you tell me which one works with the SL2S? Love the show and when I get to Miami I’ll visit the store! Thanks guys!
Money without object, Noctilux-M 75mm versus the Summicron-SL 75mm? Same goes for the Summilux-M 90mm versus the Summicron-SL 90mm? Both paired with an SL2-S. Are the Summicron-SL that much better in terms of performance? Which would you guys personally take?
The differences here are about ultimate sharpness (especially in the corners), autofocus, weather sealing, electronic aperture control and lighter weight (75/90 APO SL are 720g, 75 Noct/90 Lux are 1,055 grams), versus a more unique rendering wide open, faster maximum aperture for more light gathering, and more vignetting and soft corners for more Leica "magic". The photographic objectives you'd have with each of those sets of lenses will be different, with some overlap of course especially for portraiture. Using the 75 Noct/90 Lux really slows you down because of how precisely you need to dial in the focus, which can be a good or bad thing. Using the 75/90 APO SL still results in the highest optical performance, which is something we simply cannot say enough! Plus autofocus is really nice to have sometimes (often).
@@RedDotForum hi again, I went to my local Leica Store. I got to try the 75 and 90 SL lenses and the Noctilux 75mm (my friend's). The shots from the summicrons are unbelievably clean and pretty. As much as it hurts for me to say it, they are indeed sharper than my 50Lux-SL (even at f2.0). Theyre on another level. I may be biased but I like the colors and bokeh from the Lux-SL. As for the Nocti...well, it is magical...it isnt perfect like the summicron SL lenses but it is spectacular nonetheless. Is it 10K USD extra more special? Personally, no...not right now anyway. Perhaps, some day when Im more skilled and have a better eye. The difference between the 75SL and the Nocti 75 is visible enough but that may be because I got to see them side by side. Wow consider me blown away and a believer of the Summicron SL lenses...not that I ever doubted it. My question now is if I should swing for the 75 or the 90.
I don't own one but, I seen another video (maybe Leica Australia ) . With the M-L adapter and an M lens mounted, you can push one of the buttons on the back (probably on the top right) while looking into the EVF & the view zooms to 100% if understood it correctly. If you own one of the other or thinking of getting into the Leica ecosystem, call the store or Leica support.
That's correct. When using an M-Adapter-L, the rear thumb joystick will magnify to 100% with a single press. You can then scroll around the image with the joystick.
I just want to confirm what you said because I live FAR from a Leica store and must do sensor cleaning myself . . . that is OK to turn the SL2-S ON with the lens off and do the sensor cleaning with the camera on? Please confirm this for me . . . .
I was wondering if somebody can help me out on this. I'm seriously considering to purchase a LeicaSL2S, but it is essential that I will be able to fire it from my PocketWizard PlusIII. My difficulty is to understand which sort of cable is needed to connect the camera to a Pocketwizard and furthermore to find or have it custom made. Thanks
SL2 in aps-c mode, raw, with full frame lens- approx 1.5x increase- is that the same as taking a 'normal' FF image and cropping later in post? Or is there something else magical happening in the body?
Nothing magical as the camera is applying a sensor crop, just as you would in post. But, importantly, the cropped image is filling the viewfinder, which makes composition much easier.
If only Leica did a superior sensor I would be all over it - whole smash - all in - as a wedding shooter the difference between my GFX100 and this is too great. C'mon Leica prove your superiority
There’s no denying that it is quite remarkable what a small com-any like Leica has achieved over the past 5 years with the SL system. And I know you don’t like to talk about products outside the Leica brand, but what for me really converted SL into a true ‘system’ over the past few years is how the cameras are getting support from other manufacturers. Full tethering with live view in Capture one, various very good macro options up to even 2:1 (Laowa), adapters (sigma, novoflex) to harvest the full EF-mount Arsenal (tilt-shift, super tele, etc), super wide-angle (Laowa), very affordable and light weight primes (sigma), advanced video cameras (Panasonic), etc, etc. Still holding hopes up on Profoto….
I just ordered the SLS-2 with 24-70 (can't call it a kit lens because calling this a kit lens would be an insult 😀) and with this channel, I think I have found "my people". Love your passion and the geekiness (and I say this with the highest praise) for Leica and photography.
I just took the quiz. Kristen is a genius. First, the questions were wonderful. Second, the quiz answers picked the camera I bought befor going to Paris!
You really should make a part 2 of this episode, talking about the L mount alliance. It's a bit restrictive to only limit the SL system to Leica. It's so much vaster. There is plenty of very interesting and qualitative lenses from the two other members (and some third)! 😉
End of 2020 I did an extended side-by-side trial of different high-res mirrorless cameras to replace my previous Fujifilm gear for fashion and make-up portrait work. I ended up with two finalists: the Z7II and the SL-2. Both are exceptionally good stills cameras. I decided to go with the Z7II to go along with my H6D. The main reason was the lacking Profoto support. When I mentioned this to a Profoto account manager, he smiled mysteriously and told me to ‘wait and see’. So, that lead me to the conclusion that Profoto support is on its way. Professionally I am by no means disappointed with the Nikon performance. It’s a great (small) camera and dito lenses, but personally my heart lies with Leica and either my M10-R or the Q2 Monochrome are always within reach.
By the way, thanks again for a great show. Entertainment and valuable insights go hand-in-hand.
Boy!!! you just made my day!!!! That would be such a welcome addition!!!!!
Sorry I am commentating late - this is one of the best shows you guys have ever done. You have really helped convey the incredible performance of the SL camera and lenses and what it represents in both the Leica world and photography in general. Your perspective - which you objectively test - on the differences in performance is right on. Wide open SL lenses are fairly unique and though I own tons of M lenses, only the 35APO and 75mm Noctilux truly compare in absolute performance. There are many other goals you guys well note for lenses, but at least the air has been cleared on this front. The SL is still the most “under-appreciated” of the major Leica camera lines and you guys helped remind everyone of just how amazing this mirrorless system has become. Kudos!!!!!
You're a Leica CL.
You are just a straight up cool cat. You're the MINI that dominated Monte Carlo. Although unassuming at first, you are a quiet force to be reckoned with. Don’t short change yourself.
Thanks for this Quiz!! it was fun!
Great video. Positioned the zooms vs prime selection very well. The 90-280 is more versatile than a 70 200 f2.8 with a 1.4 teleconverter that become a f4, 105 280. If you need more length Sigma is the only option.
I would have liked to have seen David carrying all that equipment in a backpack on a hiking expedition. I love the concept and design of these cameras and I am planning to move into the system next year but the size and weight of the zoom lenses is ridiculous ! I expect to be using mostly M lenses.
The quiz was fun and apparently I am a M3 man which is unreal. I haven’t shot film for eons and I said to a friend just a couple of months ago that I would never shoot film again for all the uncertainties, waiting, costs and what if I missed (very likely) the shot and never have the chance to travel back to this distant spot to shoot it again?! But thanks to your show on M Analogue cameras, I am now eagerly waiting for an M3 to arrive 😜 Thanks for sharing all the knowledge in a very entertaining show👍🏼
Profoto and Godox flash support now exists for those who may be interested.
I hope there will be an SL camera with the Monochrome sensor out of the Q2 Monochrome. This should take minimum
R&D dollars and give us an Mirrorless interchangeable lens camera in L mount so we can utilize our L mount glass.
Is this even something Leica is working on?
It will be amusing if SL3 can go back to the SL 4 buttons layout plus front 2 buttons. That 4 button layout design is so Leica original, and easy to use. If one know his camera.
Even though we used (and liked) the four-button layout since the launch of the Leica S2 in 2009, the new unified thee button interface with long-press customizable function buttons is an improvement. Faster and more flexible in real use.
Focus on the main important thing!
In a video about a stylish camera the most important thing is .... correct the cam.
If the main aspect on your video is too dark, because it is black on a black background ... raise the exposure. We do not care if your hand will be too bright or your shirt.
I came here because of leica.
This Leica SL2-S is amazingly built. I'm so excited to learn about the firmware additions. I wish someone is aware of a cheat sheet for purchase. I would like to accelerate becoming a Leica pro. Please.
Well worth the money, grwat product
Which Leica are you quiz: M3 #stomp #grr Guess I’ll go develop some film now. #lovemym3
Really nice build camera the SL2 but without a tilting Display i stay with my Panasonic and sigma lenses. A SL3 with such a Display would be mine…
Bit of an odd question perhaps . . . I've got an SL2--S (came with an M adaptor as a package deal) . . . I use four vintage R lenses I just LOVE with the SL2-S and I have a 75 SL Summicron lens I love also for the SL 'native' and autofocus experience. With the M adaptor, I am thinking of getting at least one M lens just to diversify my experience . . . . so I am looking at the M 50 mm Summilux lens. But I am also considering the 'native' SL 50 Summilux. Now, OBVIOUSLY the two are radically different experiences . . . radical weight and size differences and autofocus versus manual focus . . . of course!! . . . BUT BEYOND that . . . putting ALL of that aside . . . any thoughts / insights / wisdom on the differences between the optical capacity, image output / quality / characteristics of the M 50 mm Summilux and SL 50 mm Summilux lenses on the SL2-S?
How about a Leica Miami store tour.
I did a pano with multi shot and I'm blown away with the result and present it's at the printers being printed at 5ft x 4ft be interested in the result.
Wow. That has to be a massively large file!
@@RedDotForum I have now received the print back from the printers and just wow. The photo is of my city of Bath in the UK from a hill f top, the detail is amazing. The photo is being mounted and is going to be auctioned off for a local charity. Having moved from canon in lockdown firstly buying the Q2 I was hooked ,I just had to get the Sl2 without a single regret.
Is there a roadmap for future Summicron-SL lenses? Are they designing a 24 or 21? Also, in considering the Vario Elmarit 24-70 f2.8 I'm wondering if it is weather-sealed as you mention with the 24-90mm?
Here's the link you're looking for:
www.reddotforum.com/content/2018/09/leica-adds-three-more-sl-prime-lenses-to-roadmap/
You can see that the 21 and 24 Summicron-SL lenses were originally slated to be launched by the end of 2020. Of course, there were global extenuating circumstances which pushed back the original timeline. Given the recent release of the of the 28mm, we are hoping that the 21 and 24 will be coming soon.
Yes, all of the SL lenses are weather and dust sealed, including the 24-70mm f/2.8.
With the SL2 Can I Just Use the Main Settings of photography which is aperture shutter and ISO and forget about all those other complicated settings?
The L bracket is what I’m looking for can you tell me which one works with the SL2S? Love the show and when I get to Miami I’ll visit the store! Thanks guys!
We're currently using the Really Right Stuff BSL2 L-bracket for the SL2 and SL2-S:
www.reallyrightstuff.com/Leica-SL2-Camera_2
How much do you pay the Band for the "pre show Music"?
I want to know what music it is..
Money without object, Noctilux-M 75mm versus the Summicron-SL 75mm? Same goes for the Summilux-M 90mm versus the Summicron-SL 90mm? Both paired with an SL2-S. Are the Summicron-SL that much better in terms of performance? Which would you guys personally take?
The differences here are about ultimate sharpness (especially in the corners), autofocus, weather sealing, electronic aperture control and lighter weight (75/90 APO SL are 720g, 75 Noct/90 Lux are 1,055 grams), versus a more unique rendering wide open, faster maximum aperture for more light gathering, and more vignetting and soft corners for more Leica "magic". The photographic objectives you'd have with each of those sets of lenses will be different, with some overlap of course especially for portraiture. Using the 75 Noct/90 Lux really slows you down because of how precisely you need to dial in the focus, which can be a good or bad thing. Using the 75/90 APO SL still results in the highest optical performance, which is something we simply cannot say enough! Plus autofocus is really nice to have sometimes (often).
@@RedDotForum hi again, I went to my local Leica Store. I got to try the 75 and 90 SL lenses and the Noctilux 75mm (my friend's). The shots from the summicrons are unbelievably clean and pretty. As much as it hurts for me to say it, they are indeed sharper than my 50Lux-SL (even at f2.0). Theyre on another level. I may be biased but I like the colors and bokeh from the Lux-SL.
As for the Nocti...well, it is magical...it isnt perfect like the summicron SL lenses but it is spectacular nonetheless. Is it 10K USD extra more special? Personally, no...not right now anyway. Perhaps, some day when Im more skilled and have a better eye. The difference between the 75SL and the Nocti 75 is visible enough but that may be because I got to see them side by side.
Wow consider me blown away and a believer of the Summicron SL lenses...not that I ever doubted it. My question now is if I should swing for the 75 or the 90.
Will Leica make official close up m adapter with a knob so when user is focusing the lens, camera will magnify the image automatically?
I don't own one but, I seen another video (maybe Leica Australia ) . With the M-L adapter and an M lens mounted, you can push one of the buttons on the back (probably on the top right) while looking into the EVF & the view zooms to 100% if understood it correctly. If you own one of the other or thinking of getting into the Leica ecosystem, call the store or Leica support.
That's correct. When using an M-Adapter-L, the rear thumb joystick will magnify to 100% with a single press. You can then scroll around the image with the joystick.
I just want to confirm what you said because I live FAR from a Leica store and must do sensor cleaning myself . . . that is OK to turn the SL2-S ON with the lens off and do the sensor cleaning with the camera on? Please confirm this for me . . . .
Yes. The camera must be powered on for the sensor to stay in place for cleaning.
I was wondering if somebody can help me out on this. I'm seriously considering to purchase a LeicaSL2S, but it is essential that I will be able to fire it from my PocketWizard PlusIII. My difficulty is to understand which sort of cable is needed to connect the camera to a Pocketwizard and furthermore to find or have it custom made. Thanks
SL2 in aps-c mode, raw, with full frame lens- approx 1.5x increase- is that the same as taking a 'normal' FF image and cropping later in post? Or is there something else magical happening in the body?
Nothing magical as the camera is applying a sensor crop, just as you would in post. But, importantly, the cropped image is filling the viewfinder, which makes composition much easier.
I was M10monochrom
Is there a manual and/or automatic wide angle lens for Leica SL or one that can be used with an adapter?
The SL can be used a vast array of adapted lenses, but the native Leica 16-35mm Vario-Elmarit-SL is hard to beat for a wide angle solution.
Stitched Multishot Pano?
What´ s the the SL2 Lplate brand guys?
This is the L-bracket from Really Right Stuff.
Your double header 'banter' is quite stiff and you need to relax or at least prepare the banter beforehand as you make things difficult to watch.
why do people still ask so many questions about r lenses? dude, get a job and buy a m or a sl or a s. its 2021. move on.
If only Leica did a superior sensor I would be all over it - whole smash - all in - as a wedding shooter the difference between my GFX100 and this is too great. C'mon Leica prove your superiority