.410 vs 28 Gauge - comparison
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- Discussing some of the differences in the .410 bore and 28 gauge shotguns and shooting some patterns with #6 birdshot hunting loads.
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This is a truly great video. I have both a .410 and a 28 Ga. H&R single shot. I've found from shooting varmints around my little farmstead that the .410 doesn't feel like enough.The 28 works, without having to go to bigger guns.Keep up the great work. You are producing very fine videos.
Very thoughtful class ! The punch, the balance, the feel, the prices of ammo - all very useful. Thanks !
I own 4 28 gauges and I love them. 28 gauge is a joy to shoot.
Any 16s?
I started with a Stevens bolt action .410 when I was 11. Took an NRA gun training course (in those days they were all about training, nowadays not so much), and learned not only to shoot well, but to hunt well and get close to the game. I only ever shot the 3 inch shells in #6 and #7 1/2 shot. shot a gazillion critters with that gun and still love it. Also have a 12 gauge pump, a 16 gauge double, and would really love to have a 28 gauge now. Keep up the great presentations!
That’s not true, what you said about the NRA. Go to any gun range and you will see ads for NRA courses.
Mr. Buffalo, thanks again for a really great shotgun video!!! You always talk from the heart and give a honest straight forward opinion of what you like and don’t like regarding your test weapons and or ammo!!! Really great job!!!!
Thanks for that my friend! I really appreciate you taking a minute to leave that comment.
I've inherited both and haven't done anything with them yet. This helped tremendously.
Now I know what to expect. ❤️
Always enjoy the slo mo as it really let's you see more clearly what is going on....Nice comparison and detailed info as this is what defines your channel as you keep us interested....Good stuff...
I am so glad that people enjoy these types of videos because they are my most natural type to do. Thanks for the comment, I sincerely appreciate it.
Good Lord man! The price you're paying for those shells are double what they are down here in Texas! Come down here and buy some reasonably priced shells and I'll take you hunting on my place while you're here. By the way, 28 gauge is the way to go.
The most favorite statement I’ve ever heard you say, “if you don’t know, this is a redneck channel!” Love it!!!!!!
Awesome video...I just bought my 1st TriStar 28..can't wait to set it up...thanx buddy 💪👍🤙
Great video giving more information to especially people with little experience and too us with a lot of experience , been looking into the 28 gauge for a Rough shooting shotgun (upland gun ) nice and light to carry , many thanks you never stop learning steve
Thanks! I am glad you like the video. It is as you described, nice and light to carry and the handling is superb. I appreciate the comment.
Picked up a Stevens over and under 28 gauge a few years ago and absolutely love it. Plan on getting a 16 gauge in the same model before this caliber becomes obsolete
You do a really good job on shotgun videos. I have .410, 20 & 12 ga.but have never shot a 28. Looks pretty good. Thanks for your time & efforts. It's hard to find videos like this.
Thanks! I do enjoy making the shotgun videos so it's good to hear that people actually like them.
My dad makes fun of me(all in good fun of course) using a .410. I point out dead is dead a 20 or 12 Ga isn't going to make something more dead.
12 gauge kills the body, 10 gauge kills the soul
Thank you for your content Buffalo! I just recently bought an A400 Beretta Xplor in 20 and 28 guage, I haven’t shot the 28 yet( I have to get healed up from this back surgery) but I’m excited to get out and shoot it. I looked high and low and lucked up enough to round up about 1100 rounds from 7.5>9 shot. It’s surprising to me how many people is duck and goose hunting with 28 guage! Thank you again for your time and testing, keep it up brother!🤜🏻💥🤛🏻
Great video!!!
Very informative too, especially for people like me that aren't familiar with 28 gauge shotguns.
Glad you found it useful information! Thank you.
I like your channel. You do shotgun videos, and good ones! They're thought out well, and informative.
This is just what I was looking for and; Surprise! It's done by a great person: Buffalo's Outdoors!
Great demonstration, and great observation on follow through. For me, the big surprise was your discussion of the 28 for hunting. For some reason I thought of the 28 as mainly a skeet gun. There is always more for me to learn.
They are more popular as skeet guns but they are also popular bird guns. I bought my daughter one of those .410 single shots with the exposed hammer when she was 6 years old. After our experiences I don't recommend them to anyone, especially beginners.
Thank you so much for your precious time،few peple talking about .410 g
You're welcome. I really enjoy doing these videos. I know they are a lot of talk and very little action but it is worth it for the ones who appreciate it.
Nice demo! Any time you feel like reloading 12 ga. -- I have quite a variety of extra slugs I can send you to goof around with. All you need is hulls, primers, powder, a scale, a roll crimper and a drill press.
@Stephen Box he did. that's how i found out about buffalo. but yeah, i'm wishing nothing but success for buffalo, too.
Thank you for your generosity! I may take you up on that. I've been shooting more shotgun lately than I have in they past and that has me thinking on reloading. My only problem is that my reloading room is already cramped for space. I still might make it happen though.
@@buffalosoutdoors Good news! Shotshell reloading does not need the solid, heavy bench and bolted press of metallic cartridges. I have 5 shotshell loading machines, all MEC single stage. I bolt them to an 12" x 18" plywood base which I have beveled the edges of on a table saw. I have matching beveled, hardwood "rails" on my bench. Sort of a "French cleat" system. I slide in a base with machine attached and drop a pin in a hole in the front and away I go. Pull the pin, slide the machine out and store it wherever you like (mine are under the bench) My father used to load using a MEC on a little bit larger base (about 24" square) with rubber "feet". He just set it up on the kitchen table, and it stayed in place nicely without any clamps or bolts. It doesn't take a lot of room. Check EBay for used shotshell machines for really good prices.
Gotta get me a 28 gauge
Another great video! I... we really enjoy these videos. They are informative as well as entertaining. Thank You!
Thanks so much. It does me good to hear feedback like this. I know these videos are low on action and high on talking but I feel that it is worth it for the folks that like them.
Great reviews as always.hope y'all are doing well up there buffalo.
Another great shotgun video! I’m seriously thinking about starting to reload in 12 gauge, we’ll see. As someone who patterns shotguns, I like those patterning boards you made there, that’s always the challenge! People on my channel like giving me grief about a “one shot review” but you and I know it ain’t gon change much, it’s a pattern for crying out loud! Great job!! 👍🏻
I hear ya on that man. Complainers gonna complain. I don't think they understand the work that goes into these types of videos.
My grandfather started me out with a 410 Stevens single shot as my first shotgun. I still have it to this day.
Very nice presentation style. You know where you are going with the presentation, youmove right along toward that goal, and you do not insult your audience with those ignorant, non-word, pig grunt UH'hhhh's like many CZcams presenters do. My rule of thumb is: Ten UH's from any presenter gets them a log-off and a thumbs down. But you, Buffalo, are a pleasure to listen to. Keep up the good work, Young Man !
Sir I like the way you explained the difference between taking g the shot or not. It's that two or three yards literally that make the difference between a kill or a maim and it's that guy feeling you get before you squeeze off a shot. Great video sir
Thanks! It really is the difference. I appreciate that comment.
I used to shoot my 525 in Sporting Clays competition and allow the senior guys are shot with shot 28 gauge. I never owned one of those but they were pretty guns
Thanks Buffalo! There are some super good deals on double barrel 28 gauge out there. The money I could save would buy a ton of shells, and it seems like it would be fine for grouse.
Thanks for this mate, well done. Very informative.
among the best reviewers i have seen imho. glad to see some attention to the sub (12) gauges...
Nice video, I was once the runner up gun champion in Alabama with the .410, still my favorite for doves . Number 9's make you look better
Thanks! #9 definitely improve the odds!
I really like both of those gauges a lot. Great comparison video!
Thanks! I like both of them as well. Someone asked which one I'd choose if I could only have one. What kind of sick person does that? LOL
Buffalo I bought the Tristar Viper G2 in 28ga. and buy far that is the ABSOLUTE BEST shooting shotgun I’ve ever hunted with or shot. I brought it to South Texas on a Dove Hunt and I had the best several days of hunting / shooting ever while hunting Doves. I was using the Winchester AA #7.5
3/4oz load at 1300fps and a Modified choke. I was absolutely amazed at how easy it was to hit Doves with it. The guys I was hunting with kept asking me, “ What are you Shoot’en “? And I’d tall them a 28ga. I can’t wait to go back to South Texas again and our yearly Upland hunt in my home state of North Carolina for Pheasant and Chukar.
Buffalo long time subscriber you videos still rock after all this time.
Thank you!
Nice demo buffalo, thanks for the video 👍👍👍🇦🇺
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it!
Good demo - thanks!
Often times people forget how important follow through is. some out there never struggled with it and it is a natural thing, However it IS something that should be covered when instructing someone how to shoot, weather it is pistol, rifle or shotgun, Having that's minds eye of knowing where the shot was under recoil in relationship to the sights. It is "what you are aiming with and not so much what you are aiming at" at that point. Good video. Dave.
Hey Dave! Thanks for the comment. Not following through has lead to many a dove making a successful pass over half a dozen shooters at our local dove field!
I like using a .410 bore shotgun for squirrel hunting: my favorite load is 3" shells with #7 1/2 shot. I use modified and improved modified choke tubes in my .410 bore over/under shotgun and at ranges up to 25 yards or so that works quite well.
@David Vance As far as a 16 gauge shotgun: I believe Ithaca may still be making the Model 37 pump in 16 gauge. (although new Ithaca shotguns are now rather expensive). Alternatively, there are still used 16 gauge shotguns around: I found a Winchester Model 1200 16-gauge pump shotgun in great shape a couple of years ago at local Cabela's store and have seen older Ithaca Model 37's in 16 gauge in the used gun rack at the same store. As far as 16 gauge ammunition: All the major shotgun shell manufacturers still offer 16 gauge shells: I have Herter's and Winchester 16 gauge bird shot loads.
ahhh yes,, the pattern does show up much better on the washing machine metal.. i have shot some washers and dryers my self.. couple of beautiful shotguns you got there..
That was a good video. I shoot both and enjoy them. Appreciate you taking time to do this comparison.
I'm glad you liked the video! As you already mentioned they are both a pleasure to shoot. Thanks!
Well conducted survey Sir.
Beautiful guns. I've never heard of a 28 gauge until today.
The 3” 00 Buckshot in the 3” .410 is quite amazing at close range since all 5 pellets leave the muzzle in a straight line..The down side is that the muzzle velocity is in mid 900 fps range, however penetration is very deep, much more than one would imagine. -kw
A. Fewer years ago, my brother, his sons and I went to a sporting clays competition. Most folks were shooting 12 gauge, while some of the younger shooters and women were shooting 20 gauge. One guy shows up with a 410 O/U. We all kind of scoffed. He ended up as HOA with a 96/100. That was amazing. I would say he qualifies as an expert.
Very thorough review ...Thanks.
Very informative, enjoyed the demo! 👍
Thanks! I appreciate the comment!
Good man, big love from the UK brother
Great video! Also, really great that you pointed out that a .410 would be close to 67ga and not 36ga like a lot of people seem to think (i dont blame people for this since firearm manufactures also seems to make this mistake)
Research is the cure for ignorance. It’s good to have sites like this to provide facts.
Awesome video. I’m definitely interested in getting a 28ga.
Yes also visually the recoil is much less with the .410! But what you forgot to mention is that the noise of the .410 is much lower even with the magnum.. This came clear also just from your video.
Great vid Buffalo, I've been hunting cottontails & snowshoe hares with hounds for 25+ years and only 410 for the last 20, started with 12 gauge to much, went to 20 still to much lol bought a new single shot 410 for 75 bucks and perfect! I eventually upgraded too a410 side by side It's plenty for rabbits & just enough for the occasional pheasant.👍👍👍😃 Just wish shells were cheaper.
Thanks! I'd like to have a little side by side .410, neat little shotgun. I'm with you on wishing the shells were cheaper!
Great stuff mate best wishes from the uk. Subscribed
Buffalo I did end up getting the c100 tri canik tri star 9mm pistol . I'm impressed shoots very well and workmanship is very good. Fits hand well and trigger is very good for double action semi auto .
Great! Nice to know. I have never tried one of those. I will though if I can get my hands on one.
Lote of reviews on you tube buds and classic firearms has them I think and academy sports did sell them and can order them. They sell for little over 300 bucks. the C100 is the aluminum frame and the t100 is steel frame. I found a nice used one for decent deal .
Speak very well...clear...great presentation
I have a Browing 16 ga. My Father bought me when I was 15 in 1969. I have Killed squirrel, rabbit, and deer,and dove with mine. I like It a lot. Never got a 12 ga.
16 gauge is awesome!
Great video man. I've always been one of those people that leaned towards not thinking of a .410 as a good beginner/kids gun. Where I grew up that was the shotgun that almost every kid got for a first "real" gun, after a .22 of course, back in the day. I thought I was cool because I got 16 gauge side by side (I still have it) for my first "real" gun/shotgun. Of course it was also because A) he already had it, and B) I was/am tall so it fit me better than a smaller .410 when I was a kid.
That's awesome that you still have it! You're exactly right about the flow of things around here as well. We all started with Red Ryders and advanced to pellet guns then to a .22 and then a shotgun. I don't see kids running around with Red Ryders these days. It might explain why more people are not getting into shooting sports until they become adults. Maybe that natural progression of bb gun/22/shotgun isn't a thing anymore. Your thoughts?
@@buffalosoutdoors Yeah I think it's not really a thing anymore. Part of it has to do (Ithink) with being worried about people freaking out and calling the cops on the kids with BB guns. Also don't forget that in some places you can't even buy an air rifle anymore, without a permit so it's less common from that as well. Might also be from a decline in the overall number of people hunting now too, at least it seems that way around my area at least. Opening week of firearm deer season was practically a holiday when I was a kid. Not as much now. Take it easy man, and thanks for the videos.
I am 15 and I did the classic B.B./.22(my dads)/.410(cause I am short)/to now a 12ga I bought 2 days ago. So there are some of us still doing the classic progression of firearms
Again the 410 distance guage. I learnt to shoot with a Webley and Scott single bolt action. Took my first flying pigeon with it when I was very young. I think those old guns were made with alit of attention in patterning. Although it was only 410 and fourlong ( not 3 inch ) it patterned very well. With a full choke she,d drop rabbits really well at 30 yards. After that you were risking a wound. I'd own one again if I could find a good one. Great video
Excellent presentation
Congrats on 40K brother!! 😄😄👍🏻
Thanks man! I never thought my channel would have 40,000 subs so that is pretty cool!
I always love your vedeo. Very calm and gentle expression. Relaxing.
I appreciate the comment!
Excellent presentation.
Excellent video !!
that pretty much clears up for me why someone would want either one of those shotguns.
I just bought the Beretta A400 Xplor in 20 and 28 guage to go with my A400 Xcel 12 guage. The Xcel is wood with a blue receiver and the Xplor has a bronze color!
Both of those look like great shotguns from all your videos 👍
They both pattern nice. The .410 actually surprised me a little bit at how close it was able to pattern to the 28.
I took the 28 like yours out yesterday and shot at 4 pheasant and brought home 3. It’s a little long LOP for this short fat guy but I really like it. I prefer the 3/4 oz and 7/8 oz just because they’re faster. 3/4 oz of #5 on rabbits so there isn’t as many shot to tear things up.
Gosh those are fun little shotguns to hunt with. It doesn't take much to bring about the end to a rabbit so that's a good call.
I like this guy's videos.
Working on getting 16 gauge & 28 gauge. Have no use for 410. Many European manufacturers are now chambering for 3” 28. 16 may get that soon. The world seems to be restricting or outlawing lead shot. Chamber/shell length will grow as a consequence.
Can fit a 45/70 or 45 Colt or any 45 like 454 Also on that 410 shot gun ? The 410 is also a 45 ? I NEED some Help - HELP ME ! I NEED to build a 45/70 howdah pistol and a 357 revolver - and i dont have any 45 or 38 cartridges - ONLY what a have are few 28 shells - then how can i knownt he size of 45/70 and 357 based on the 28 Shell ?
Did you put the wrong shell in? Your 28ga magnum loads were red, but when you loaded the "28ga mag load" it was green..just like the 28ga light feild loads were......hum I'm comfused
Great info thank you !!!
Hi I'm sorry but couldn't make out the make and model the guns are you are using in the video ?.
Ps.Grreat video .Regards from an old Limey b from across the pond.
Was hoping you'd get around to a video like this.
Thank you.
I have a sister that thinks my 12 gauge recoils too much and hurts her shoulder. Would a 28 or 20 gauge recoil significantly less with the same shot load? I thought about a .410 but I don't want her to lose interest in the sport by not being able to hit anything. Thanks for your response.
Buffalo Thks for the video like your man in the field nononense approach.Dont really care for lengthy science how's and whys.Just prefer to know things which are relevant. That's what I get from you.The other stuff is just smoke in the room,doesn't help me .Keep em coming brother.
Loved your 870 wingmaster vid.Like to see one using the 28 .
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoy the videos.
Thank you
Thanks...I shoot shotguns more than anything else. All gauges, skeet and sporting clays. There are not too many channels doing videos on shotguns that aren't tacticool shotguns. One thing to consider also. While the 3" .410 has 11/16 oz. shot, almost the same as the 28 ga., the shot STRING is much longer and that means it is not nearly the equal of the 28 ga. as you might imagine. Shot does not fly as a flat "pattern" but as a string. A long shot string means that at any given point that a moving target is intersected, there is less available shot to hit the target. This does not show up on the pattern board. It does explain why the .410 is so much more difficult to hit with than a 28 ga. I have virtually the same average with 12, 20 and 28 ga guns for skeet and sporting clays...my average goes to heck with the .410. It is not a coincidence that most target loads result in a shot column in the shell approx. equal to the width of the shell. Divide 16 oz. (1 lb.) by the gauge and you will see the result is close to the weight of the "standard load" for each gauge. Remember that "gauge" is the number of bore size round balls that can be made from one pound of lead. By that formula the .410 should have a standard load of about 1/4 oz. The .410 has a long shot column in the shell and a long shot string when fired.
I started my kids with slide action 20 gauge shotguns. I handloaded them with 3/4 oz. (28 ga. loads) and they did just fine. The .410 is an experts gun in my opinion.
28 ga. also makes a great starting gun, BUT shells are expensive if you do not handload.
Great comment. I should have hit on shot string in the video as it is very relevant. This is normal for me though, I always leave something out that I should have said or covered.
@Travis Thacker 32 and 24 gauge are still made and enjoy some popularity in Europe, particularly central and eastern Europe. The wide range of loads available here for the gauges we commonly use has pretty much crowded them out of the field, along with the 16 ga. I own three 16 gauge shotguns, and love them, but I have to admit the 16 ga. cannot do anything a 12 or 20 can't cover. Though, again, the 16 is probably THE most popular gauge for hunting shotguns in central and eastern Europe. 2 of my 16s were hand-me-downs...an Ithaca 37 and Browning A-5. The 3rd is a Zubrojovka Opava (Czech) Ferdinand double barrel which I picked up in Opava, CZ while working overseas. It is every bit a "London Best Grade" which I bought for $1000 USD, NEW, in the mid-90s. An equivalent British gun would have been 10 times that price at the time. It is 16 ga. 65mm chambers (2-9/16") , which the Browning A-5 also has. I use reload cut down shells, which also work fine in the Ithaca.
As you mention, the 28 is an excellent beginner gun, the only drawback being the pricey ammo...not a problem if you handload. The 28, in an autoloader, has negligible recoil, even for small statured young people or women. and it throws a good enough pattern to give enough "hits" to keep things interesting.
Another thing I found with beginners, first timers...There seems to be this desire to make them "just fire a few rounds" down range to "get used to" the recoil. I think this is a mistake. They are FOCUSED on the recoil. FOCUS on a target and they will not even notice the recoil. Usually you can "call their shots" if they miss.."OK, good, but you were a little high on that shot, keep your head down...here you go, try another" Don't talk about the "recoil" talk about the targets and the fundamentals. Before long they have chewed through 25 shells and made 15 hits and they never noticed the recoil.
Great video thanks for sharing. Can you cut the barrel down to 18" on the Simi Auto ? If so would it eject the shot rounds as good as it has in the past.
Thomas Tommy yeah but I'm not sure why you would want to ruin a perfectly good shotgun. Just buy a shorter barrel or a different gun don't go hacking on one
28 is my favorite gauge. When I shot competition skeet I shot 28 in 12 and 20 gauge class. I shot 410 in you guessed 410 class. The 28 is the perfect pattern. We called a square load. Depth width and height. Is almost equal. I sold my over under red label 28 after about 3 dove seasons. Once I stopped competition. It cost a bunch like 410 but cheap to reload. I don't think the video was all that long Nutnfancy 😂👍
The 28 is the sweet spot for me. I bet that Red Label was super sweet. You've got me paranoid about my video length calling me Nutnfancy! LOL
@@buffalosoutdoors the length of your videos is fine. I enjoy them I'm just teasin' you. Yeah love the 28. But you best reload for it or it'll break the bank.
His video links are just fine Uncle Dan, now yours could be a little bit longer. Just sayin
@@kevinroberts9580 LOL it'll be a while before I make another one. It's time to feel the freezer.
Good info
I have always wanted someone to do a video on a cut shell and compared to a slug, many years ago folks used cut shells to hunt with as that is all they had and the bird shot were not effective on a deer but a cut shell could be made to work, so I have made some and shot them but I do not have a chronograph etc but I always wondered on a gel block and a chronograph how the cut shell and a slug would compare
Nice work
I have a question.. 28 gauge vs 12 gauge.. if they have comparable loads ounce size I guess and similar velocity would they have similar recoil.. physics says yes but real world? .. thanks
What model 28 guage do you use
Very nicely done Brother, Carry On!
Thanks for stopping by!
That 28 does look like it has a good kick to it! (Its been a very rainy season across the country...seems like noone can get to the range and stay dry this season)
You ain't kiddin! It's been the wettest year here in Eastern KY that I can remember....EVER. We've had flooding and it's just been a mess. Thanks for watching, I appreciate it!
Nice comparison.
Thanks my friend! 20 minutes long and I still didn't get every thing said that I wanted to say. I am becoming a youtube blabber mouth! LOL
I remember back in the 90's there was a 1oz load for the 28 ga. I think it was Winchester.
Great video Buffalo! I say both are good for 30 yards+ or -.I've stocked up on #4 & #5 shot.
Thanks! I think these patterns show that they are good out to 30, not sure about beyond that. The .410 did a lot better than I expected.
So, to me, both patterns look pretty good. If you had to have just one, which would you pick?
In what kind of evil world can I only have one or the other? LOL I don't know man, I really like them both and it would honestly be a tough decision to make.
Can fit a 45/70 or 45 Colt or any 45 like 454 Also on that 410 shot gun ? The 410 is also a 45 ?
Good evening,may i ask about the noise difference??
Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍
Thanks my friend!
Very nice.
Good video 👍😁👍
although i love a twelve gauge and twenty, i am absolutely nuts about the 28 and have recently acquired an o/u in 28 and have on order a 28 gauge pump. at almost 70, i don't know what took me so long--and at my age the 28 gauge sure makes a lot of sense, in every way...
Man has to know his limitations so I'm choosing 28 ,thanks so much 👏👏👏🙏👍
very good video, and solid man
Thanks!