Why do Academics fear Luxenberg & Luling so much?
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- Why are Academics so critical of Christoph Luxenberg's "The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran", and Gunther Luling's "A Challenge to Islam for Reformation", two books which prove that much of the Qur'an was derived from previous Christian Aramaic Lectionaries, Homilies and Hymns?
Western Academics like Angelika Neuwirth and Francois de Blois are scathing against Luxenberg and Luling. Yet, as academics themselves, this makes no sense, since what Luxenberg and Luling are doing is simple textual criticism of the Qur'anic text, which is an exercise that they employ themselves with other texts.
So, why do the Academics dismiss these two scholars so quickly?
It seems that academics like Angelika Neuwirth, one of the leaders of Islamic Studies in Germany, though they use the same textual methods Luxenberg and Luling use, they don't go nearly as far as them, nor choose to come to the same conclusions as these two scholars, and so simply nit-pick by suggesting that they wouldn't agree on some of their interpretations of certain Aramaic words, and suggest that what they do will upset Muslims needlessly.
But why make such nonacademic claims such as these? Isn't that the remit of scholars, to find out where certain mysterious texts came from and prove their antiquity from earlier sources?
Possibly it's out of fear of upsetting the Muslims in Germany, or in the countries where they still need to go to continue their research, or maybe it could be that their departments where they work are dependent on funds from the Muslim countries which sponsor them.
Others, like Francois de Blois, who don't have the academic credentials of Luxenberg & Luling choose to simply criticize them without using any textual analysis, possibly because they really don't understand what they have done, or choose not to delve into their theories too deeply, so employ 'ad hominem' to try to shut them down instead.
Whatever is the reason, similar areas of studies in other non-Muslim religious texts do not show such fear or hatred towards individuals who are breaking ground in new and exciting areas of research, suggesting that only in Islamic studies is this type of censorship evidenced.
Nonetheless, the younger academics who are now coming into universities in Europe and the US are beginning to look at Luxenberg and Luling anew, realizing that they have something special and substantial, which can't be simply dismissed with vitriol and personal opprobrium, laced with fear.
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It is quite obvious that funding from Islamic states in places like Universities is having a detrimental effect genuine research, thank you guys for the presentation
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Departments of Islamic Studies in Wester Universities are often financially dependent on Saudi and Qatari money, so they abide by the standard Islamic narrative.
This is true in all disciplines especially medicine and science. When somebody has been teaching or practicing something for 30 years and they have a mortgage and kids in college, they have a financial stake in maintaining their current beliefs and vehemently or violently rejecting ideas that might prove them wrong thus hurting them financially, their reputation, in effect, shaming and embarrassing them, causing them to be ridiculed. It’s always the younger generation that doesn’t have any stake in the current viewpoint that is able to look at things anew.
In my layman's view, an academician who discredits others or fears to be critique is not worth the title because KNOWLEDGE DOES NOT REST IN ONE PERSONS HEAD.
it's unthinkable to think that only one view is correct and must be accepted by all, when NO MAN IS GOD.
it's unfortunate that, when we listen to especially Muslims in any arena they thinks their point is the most authentically correct and must be accepted by all.
God bless us all as we seek to know HIM the more in other to live to HIS expectations.
In my layman's view, an academician who discredits others or fears to be critique is not worth the title because KNOWLEDGE DOES NOT REST IN ONE PERSONS HEAD.
it's unthinkable to think that only one view is correct and must be accepted by all, when NO MAN IS GOD.
it's unfortunate that, when we listen to especially Muslims in any arena they thinks their point is the most authentically correct and must be accepted by all.
God bless us all as we seek to know HIM the more in other to live to HIS expectations.
Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
This is not just a problem in this particular field but in other areas of modern science too, and it reflects a change in European civilization. European civilization (including its diaspora in America and other places) used to believe in the existence of truth and that truth was more important than social conformity or social harmony. Nowadays, most people believe that all truth is relative and every individual or community has its own particular truth that everyone else should respect. Now social conformity and the avoidance of offense are a higher priority than truth, which has been devalued. Feelings over facts is the new "value" that many people are trying to live by, and it affects scientists (and their funders) too because they are embedded in the larger, relativistic culture. This all started with G.E. Moore's "emotivism" movement in the early 20th century and now it has swept most of the broader culture, with some reinforcement at the popular level by the Hindu - influenced New Age movement.
Your words are an eye opener to me
I can tell you from first hand experiences, that science was never free. Besides clear state censorship, as a young scholar one had always to fully adapt to supervisors. A professor of mine studied under Heidegger who offered 0% freedom. There are only few exceptions. There has always been a fight for the power to define "truth". There is no truth but opinions - also in natural sciences.
I'm beginning to understand why St John of Damascus in his initial dialogues with Muslims called Islam as heresy of Christianity More work needs to be done now
I think i read st basil or someone influential also say this
Please keep pushing Dr. Jay. The world needs the truth. God bless you.
Petrodollars can buy any person with no dignity
The most researchers in Sweden in universities who do research in theology are paid for their research from Saudi Arabia and similar countries.
Not one scientist of the day would speak in Galileo's defense. Remember that any time someone tells you science is all about consensus.
Indeed, even scientists (if we can use that word at this early date) who completely agreed with Galileo would not come to his defense. The Jesuits were going to defend him at first, since they agreed with his theory, but then Galileo found a way to offend them. After the trial, one of the bishops told him that the trial was not really about Galileo's theory but Galileo personally. They saw this as their opportunity to give him his comeuppance. Keep in mind too that this happened in a small geographic area, so it was a matter of local politics where a small group of influential people can often get their way quite easily. Although Galileo's case has been repeatedly used in the post - Enlightenment period to illustrate a moral lesson (usually presented as science vs. religion), it is really not a good example of that; a better lesson to derive from Galileo is that "it's hard to fight city hall," especially if a lot of people don't like you.
@@michaels4255
Come on, speak plainly without mincing
words.
The Christian Pope
who was inspired by the
God of Christianity(the
Devil?) condemned
Galileo to be burned to
dead because he said the earth revolved round the sun.
A profane Blasphemy in
the Christian Faith!
@@abdillahijalalkhan2128 You are just a historical illiterate. Galileo was sentenced to house arrest, and the reason, as one bishop admitted openly after the trial, was because they just didn't like Galileo personally. The Jesuits, who supported Galileo's theory, were going to defend him, but before the trial he managed to offend them as well, so his conviction was a foregone conclusion, but he was just forced to stay home, where he continued to refine the mathematical basis of the same Copernican theory that has supposedly gotten him in trouble, although his friends had to sneak the finished manuscript out of the country to get it published. To spare him humiliation, he was not even required to make his own official retraction. Instead, his daughter, who was a Carmelite nun, was allowed to make the official retraction on his behalf. Galileo was 67 when he published the book which offended the Pope (who thought, perhaps correctly, that he was being represented by the unflattering character in the book who lost the debate). At that time, Galileo had already had health problems for years (which was why it took him 6 years to finish writing the book that got him in trouble), so he was probably not leaving home very much anyway. He finally died at the age of 77 from his health issues, still a loyal Catholic in spite of his legal problems with the Pope. Even though Galileo provoked his own problems to some extent, I do not disagree that he was treated unfairly, and that this was another outrageous incident in the long and outrageous history of abuses by overbearing rulers, a difficulty man has somewhat ameliorated with liberal democracies, but certainly not solved. But let us keep this in perspective: what would have happened to Galileo if he had lived not in Christendom, but in the Muslim world, which was still insisting for theological reasons (as were the Jewish rabbis) that the earth was flat?
@@abdillahijalalkhan2128 galileo wasn't burned at the stake, he was put under house arrest. Bruno was executed.
Let scientific findings speak for themselves. Scholars should not let themselves be influenced by anybody or anything about the findings - let alone be bought.
Sadly one generally cannot support oneself or your family as a scientist/engineer/etc. without a position, whether an academic position or a job. Thus most scientists are greatly influenced by their paymasters, as telling the truth makes you poor. It does not matter what field of study or manufacturing you are in. When I was in pharmaceutical formulation development 15 to 25 years ago, I saw that the drug I was developing a generic formulation for (an emulsion) did not need the oil at all, but the drug itself could be emulsified without first being dissolved in the oil. Doing this would minimize the risk of bacterial growth, which is an issue with most emulsions. I took this to my bosses, and suggested that I do a quick study with an expired batch of the drug raw material (only kept for studying break down products or impurities) to see if my idea was feasible and if the resultant emulsion was sterile filterable, which the oil based emulsion was not, which would eliminate the heat sterilization process which caused the formation of impurities. I was told to drop the idea, not even write it up at all. Five to ten years later, while having to reformulate the product due to the new requirement of bacterial inhibitors, I was asked if I still had the study on the product I proposed, as some other company had filed a patent on it, which we could break if I had done the research. I told them that I was told to drop the idea and to not waste the two hours on it. It turns out we had to do all of the clinical trials on our new formulation that we would have had to do on my proposed formulation, so they thought it would be a good idea to go back to it. Too bad, so sad, we could not because we only had my emails and responses. Not even a lab notebook page as I was forbidden to waste any time on it.
… however, you also have learned that some people have to dance to the tune of the devil to get what they want.
Or fear of Islamophobia - eg Helen Fisher in Toronto ?
Was it not JFK who said "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself ", or words to that effect ?
I. M. Notamoose : As a retired pharmacist in Canada after working in the field of retail pharmacy for so many years I definitely see & understand your point -
Christophe is originaly from Lebanon. He knows a lot and has courage
His books may have space for criticisms like any thesis or research just by another research and documentation
Christophe can be killed anytime because he dared bringing something deep
💫🤲🙏🚩 Plz beware, those academics and scolars could be the target for terror ignited by Islam fanatics.
This video I will send to those who opposed me all these years! I will send it especially because of its ending.
Wishing Brother Jay and all Christian Brothers and Sisters a blessed and Merry Christmas, may the peace that comes from the Prince of Peace be with you all. To Thomas, Frohe Weihnachten.
"one of the only areas that I know of in academia where what you know and what you say may destroy your career" -- not the only one. Two other such areas are genetically based group differences and Holocaust research (and really anything that angers a particular ethno - religious group whom I am hesitant to mention in this context on youtube because of "the algo," even if the offending research is conducted by a member of their own group), and to some extent "climate change" research has been moving in that direction as well. Climate science researchers who reach the "wrong" conclusions have a harder time getting published, have a much harder time getting funding for additional research, and sometimes lose their jobs as well. Any field of research that gets heavily politicized has to deal with this problem, and a paradoxical informal alliance has developed between Islam and the powerful political & cultural Left.
Rather than academics taking research seriously they make excuses to be politically correct. As such they lose all credibility.
Every angle on the SIN Jay covered destroys it completly. The SIN can't stand on its own legs so violence and ignorance are bred into it generation after generation.
YOU ARE THE 'Flamethrower' and ignorance are bred into generation after generation ...
@@aaabrams1889 you only feel triggered by my comment because of pride anger and rage. You know in you heart of hearts the SIN is nonsense. Everyday you are surrounded in your own hate and a million ridiculous rituals to prove a child rapist comes from God. We all know that doesn't help, come to Jesus he calls you.
@@universalflamethrower6342 AMEN....
@@universalflamethrower6342
There was no bible before the 4th century.
@@alonzoharris6730 all books of the Bible excisted before the 4th century and were well distributed from Egypt, to Syria, to France. There was no central authority doing this. People distributed the books themselves and democraticly Established canon. Constantine merely reaffirmed what was already in use. If you want to follow a p 3 d 0, follow him, don't make excuses for it. If you like momo so much stick to his teachings don't look at others. Or are you trying to say you are insecure in your belief.
Today, you made me a gig Christmas present! Thank you very much! Now I can look into the future. Since first, when I was introduced to the S:I:N: I was praying, that this would happen. I just could not imagine, that the history of Islam could have had a straighter way than any other ancient document! :-) MERRY CHRISTMAS! :-)
Thanks, Thomas & Dr Smith for this excellent presentation - this is all about saving lives - sad to hear (11:24 min) Thomas say that academia may be attempting to hide the truth for money or by coercion.
Muslims should be open enough to face the reality of authenticity of the Koran
It is of utmost importance for the the salvation of the billion Muslim who have been deceived and lied to for centuries !!!
They should the first to make sure their claims an beliefs are correct instead of fanatically rejecting those findings and researches !!!
Jay continue to do a good work.
Merry Christmas Mr.Jay ♥️🎄
Thanks for sharing
Essentially when a new theory is proposed that upsets the establishment apple cart the "old Guard" who were invested in terms of status and thus economically as well, opposed the new theory, because accepting it would damage their prestige and thus their financial support. Only when they died off and younger people who had been mostly shut out of the prestigious positions by the old guard, and been investigating the new theory on their own time (outside of their official low grade positions), took over the "establishment" would the new theory be considered. Now with Islamic sources doing the funding of many of these positions, this mechanism is mostly broken.
Yesterday’s radicals are today’s conservatives? Good model and so the question remains for why it’s taking so long.
Money can preserve dogma. That’s been mentioned extensively by Jay Smith.
Violence can too. The Islamic response to doubt is well known.
Dogma can preserve dogma. The “white oppressor” paradigm plays a bizarre role here too. Thomas mentioned this repeatedly.
@@charlesiragui2473 Not always, radicals becoming conservative in viewpoint, but they DO want to conserve THEIR agenda against anyone who comes against it.
@@shdwbnndbyyt That’s what I meant by “conservatives”. The new orthodoxy.
They fear the TRUTH. But only the truth can make us free.
Truth is subjective. Especially in this video!
@@peterleadley , Why don't you, Show us what you got, Smarty-pants.❓
@@rawdog8141 You would neither listen or understand.
@@peterleadley , Take your 💉
@@rawdog8141 Oh! I see! 'Take your shot'! How clever.
What is it you want me to show you? Or take a shot at? Smarty Pants-Abdool here is wondering why I should bother. All I get is smart ass comments and name calling. Let me make a suggestion. You apologise for being rude and condescending, and I'll consider it,😉
Jay, the people who fund "Islamic research" in the universities can get you bounced of CZcams the moment it suits them to do so. Make sure you have backups of all your videos, and it wouldn't hurt to even start cross posting to other sites (if you're not already doing so).
@PfanderFilms Merry Christmas Dr. Jay and family.
Thankyou
When you sign a contract with an impositor you Better be careful not to offend
But will the internet today that "ship must suffer wreckage ",ithas begun and they can't stop it
Is it indeed the case that those 25% are not understood neither by us (Europeans) nor the Muslim scholars? Do Muslim scholars really say that they do not understand those verses???
One of the faults and weaknesses of the Ummah, is that they are not one body in a political sense. The Christians have their Pope or their leader in an Arch Bishop. There is no globally recognised Caliph to rule on disputes over what is meant in a certain passage of the Qur'an or Hadith. Hence there is often an uncertainty amongst scholars as they may differ in their opinions. MY view of the subject is that what is written is what is meant. Plain and simple.
@mysotiras 08 Not everyone.
As It Is Written.. “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.."
The academic response to Dan Gibson was entirely ad hominem as well. Prof King embarrassed himself.
Academics spit their dummies out when you point out an ad hominem attack is a sign of an inability to refute.
@@gb3007 Are u desperate mslm still adhering to the now scientifically proven wrong SIN?
@@trinitymatrix9719 you are urinating so far up the wrong tree it's laughable
@@gb3007 Narrated Abdullah ibn Sarjis:
The Prophet (ﷺ) prohibited to urinate in a hole.
Qatadah (a narrator) was asked about the reason for the disapproval of urinating in a hole. He replied: It is said that these (holes) are the habitats of the jinn.
😂😂😂😂
@@gb3007 Narrated Umaymah daughter of Ruqayqah:
The Prophet (ﷺ) had a wooden vessel under his bed in which he would urinate at night.
😂😂😂😂
These are the same kind of Academic mafia which defunded Dan Gibson, Robert Schoch, Eric Von Daniken, Dr. Happs Goodall, Dr.Daniel Allen Brubaker, Copernicus, Bruno, Dr.Patricia Kröne, etc etc.
Everything about this religion: it’s “standard” narrative, “holy book”, god, profit, teaching, and “theology” are questionable. It is no wonder that it’s adherents are so defensive. Deep in their heart, I bet, they know that there is something wrong with it.
Open accusation toward "one of the leaders of Islamic Studies in Germany". Wow, that must have been Jesus Himself who has given Jay the courage to do that, the living God he represents. I salute you Jay, inspired me so much 😊
Thank you Dr Jay for bringing a burning issue ragging in academic world. It is disheartening even western scholars are not letting alternative school of thought . I wish to draw your attention to islamic scholar Mr Sach wala who has concluded the same . He has been studying Quran since childhood has challenged all Islamic scholars to produce one ayat or evidence that Quran is word of Allah. That it was given to muhammad. Muhammad is a title , not a pronoun ,a name of a person. There is neither allah nor muhmmad in the Quran. Both are absent. He categorically claims that muhmmad of Quran is isa ibne Mariam that is jesus. He is active on the u tube . I would request you to please arrange a live dialogue with him. It would be highly appreciated. Humanity will remain great full to you for removing darkness. Please keep it up. I wish you a healthy and long life .
There seems to be a hole in the islamic narrative.
@@georgepeh
Can anyone tell me WTF this HOLE in the narrative is, as all IDIOTS who heard this from the Evil missionaries are repeating it without knowing...ha ha ha
Very interesting
I haven't found a refutation book publish by islamic scholar. This material may be too heavy to handle by them..i think computer some day may decode the problem of dots in quran 😊
This post highlights the lack of understanding westerners have about the Qur'an and Arabic.
@@peterleadley clearly the Quran is totally fabricated.. The evidence is so clear..
@@trevorgriffiths5611 Which evidence is that? The words of a Christian zealot on a mission to denigrate Islam?
@@peterleadley I’m afraid you are projecting here Peter.. I’m neither a Christian or a zealot..
However I know that Islam is a crime against humanity and a curse on the whole world all made up in the 8th century CE by mistake..
Let’s face it .. It’s now clearly apparent that there was “NO” pre-existing pre-Islamic society at the site that would one day become the Islamic Disney world we know today.. So no early Mecca no Muhammad.. Certainly not one from the Hijaz.. Quran totally made up plagiarised nonsense..
So essentially islam is totally fake from beginning to end ..
@@peterleadley And I guess you have the clear under both Arabic and Quran. Right?
I would appreciate if you would review Luxenberg and Luling's most interesting material.
Yes 👍 That is true what you are saying , the Muslim they will get angry , to get the truth out about the Qur’an
Jay's research and erudition is impressive. May God bless and protect him, and grant him a very happy Christmas !
Jay , nothing to be worried .I believe one day lux en/Lu will be the lesson for acad . Money is matter .
Is there any place online that yields the passage of Mor Ephrem's lectionary relevant to this surah 23? So far I haven't been able to turn anything up. Thank you.
Who was it that was Jay Smith's teacher in London and who did not want Jay to go down to the speaker's corner and tell what he was learning?
Thomas, bitte mach einen Kanal auf deutsch. Wirklich sehr interessante Inhalte die du hier vorbringst.
Pfander : Why do Academics fear Luxenberg & Luling so much?
Academics : Who?
My Mentor Dr. Jay Smith and our friend may God bless you Abundantly in Jesus's name Amen and Amen and Amen
No one has asked a simple question about Arabic and Allah! Arabic, we are told, is the language of Allah. The eternal version of Al Qur'an - the Mother of the Book - sits on a jade table on the right hand side of Allah in Paradise, we are told. In that case, why does Arabic grammar have a past, a present, and a future. Allah is eternal. He exists in one, ever-present moment. So, why is it possible for Allah's language - Arabic - to express past actions, present actions and future actions?
Can anyone explain?
Because, if you read it, you will find it says in Ayah Yusuf 12:2 "We have revealed this Qur'an in Arabic, so YOU (an Arab speaker) may understand it." It is the language of Arabia, not the language of Allah. You will also find that the word 'Qur'an' interprets as 'recital' not 'book'. The Arabic for book is 'kitaab'. It is referred to as the Holy Qur'an, not the Holy Kitaab. The recitation is God's, the written word is human, and subject to human failings. That is why the message never changes, only the local version of writing it down. Better? Glad I could help.
@@peterleadley You haven't answered the main thrust of my comment. The so-called 'Mother of the Book' - the eternal version of Al Qur'an, sits on a jade table in Paradise on the right hand side of Allah, so we are told. That implies that Arabic, like Allah, has always existed! Therefore, Arabic has no beginning, no present and no end - like Allah! It is an 'uncreated' language, in the same way that Allah is uncreated. So why does Arabic have a grammatical past, a present, and a future?
And as for your lecture in language: the word qur'an ("reading, lectionary") is a rendition of the Aramaic word 'qeryan-a', a book of liturgical readings. This is unsurprising as Aramaic is the language from which we get Hebrew and Arabic. Aramaic pre-dates Arabic!
@@angusmcfarlane1225 Here it is in simple terms "so you may understand it".
The Qur'an is not a book, it is a spoken message. Therefore it cannot be anywhere physically. A 'recitation' is not a written message, (your own interpretation of the word Qur'an) it is a spoken one.
The book we know is that message written down by humans.
If you can tell me to whom you are referring when you say 'we are told' I would be interested. Or is it something that you assume is correct because you heard it somewhere?
The fact that the angel tells Mohammad he is revealing the message in Arabic so Mohammad can understand it, would imply that the language of the angel's home is something OTHER than Arabic. If someone says otherwise, I would seriously doubt their claim. Unless of course they have visited the realms of angels and of God.
May I clarify anything else for you?
@@peterleadley You write: The Qur'an is not a book, it is a spoken message. Therefore, it cannot be anywhere physically.
Islam teaches that the Qur'an is "nazil" : meaning "brought down" from Heaven without the touch of human hand. This implies that the original, uncreated, preserved 'tablets' in Heaven, (read Sura 85:22) are written in Arabic. Hence, my point stands, as does your evasion of my point!
A tip: I know a lot more about Islam than you might suppose!
@@angusmcfarlane1225
Your arguments are so poor.
The Quran is the speech of god. It's his knowledge.
If I write something down the knowledge exists before I write it down.
The Tablet in heaven is not eternal. It's created. All decrees are written down on the tablet including the revelation to Jesus and Moses.
You mistepresent islam. The Tablet is created and not eternal.
Where can I find Ephraem's prayer which you say is same as chapter 23 of the Koran?
Why don't academics study only the skeletal text, especially the lower script of the Sa'na manuscript.
How can photographs be criticized? They're photographs. It's hard evidence. An rebuttal in book form to Daniel Brubaker's book is unheard of and fishy. I think they doth protest too much.
Hey Jay is there a English translation of the original Aramaic Quran somewhere I can get my hands on? I would really really appreciate it. Perhaps it shall settle my heart ❤️, for I find so many sura’s that are clearly the tone of Christ Voice amid all the anti christ sura’s written to destroy Christianity ✝️. If there is a original somewhere, perhaps this is our answer to uniting the faiths eh? I used to just avoid the Sura’s I disagreed with to find all the golden verses there.
There's the 2014 Hollywood movie called "Dracula Untold" with Luke Evans, in this new interpretation of the Dracula-story, the Prince of Wallachia, Vlad Draculea, to save his people from the invading Ottomans, seeks a kind of super powers from an ancient vampire who dwells in a cave in the Carpathian Mountains. Vlad and the Master Vampire have the same skirmish as Muhammad and Jibril had in the cave Hira! Vlad then trades his soul for the vampiric super powers, saves his people, but in the end gets betrayed and becomes "Dracula, Son of the Devil". Muslims! Think about this parable! Would you follow Vlad and believe in what this Master Vampire told him while torturing him? I bet you wouldn't. But at the same time you believe in this abstruse story of Muhammad and Jibril.
What is so abstruse about the story of Muhammad (saw) and Jibril?
Jibril is an Angel who brought revelation to all the prophets of God ...NOT TO KILL and Impale as Jesus was.
A CURSE OF GOD IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN
which Satan Paul made "holy" ...YES by twisting Deut 21:23 to Galatians 3:13 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a CURSE FOR US For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”
Incidentally, it was the Muslims who defeated Dracula...ha ha ha
Here's the true story: czcams.com/video/3HzFpRIGgkU/video.html
@@aaabrams1889 AA, you are still propagating this deluded tale of Jibril. I asked you a question a while back and you ran away from it. Where in the Koran, did this unnamed entity IDENTIFY ITSELF as Jibril?
Rushing to put words into others mouth is not healthy and does not make the other person you or whatever you think of them
John Tuzo Wilson gave his blessings to plate tectonics
I still remain unconvinced that huris are grapes since the verses explicitly state that they'll be MARRIED to these huris.
You can't marry grapes, surely?
Watch the episode again. I explicitly mentioned this point. Luxenberg‘s translation does NOT speak of marriage.
If "old SIN critiquers" had the internet and recourses we have they would have done the same.They were pioneers with a correct vision .
Career destroyers are also just to hint at doubting evolution and some aspects of history.
Hi Dr. Jay Smith
I urgently need to talk to you
2022 is another hole 🕳 in the narrative
Funding is one of the biggest causes of deliberate misinterpretation. As in recent Russian history, Johan Bäckman, a Finn, speaks untruths because he receives funding from the Kremlin. There have been calls in Finland for Johan's PhD to be rejected, and an amendment to the law is on the way to make this possible. Such greedy people are a threat to academic rationality.
Study of old writings itself is challenging and the sources of funding must be critically reviewed.
Gbu
Perhaps if Oil Tycoons from Saudi are funding and influencing partisan Islamic and Quranic studies in UK and USA universities, the USA/UK could put their own funding into non-partisan study. 🤷♂️
There must have been a text without vowels or diacritical marks or there would not be so many quranic variants. And if you strip them all out - which I think is the rasm - that will give you some idea of what it would have looked like.
It has been proven that there were texts without vowels. The vowels were added in the Umayyad era. It’s also said that Ali Ibn Abi Talib had another Quran than Uthman Ibn Affan. Uthman also burnt all versions of the Quran and was killed in Medina because of his corruption.
Work exploding the standard Islamic narrative will advance among specialists and academics the way radically new ideas advance in all fields of professional study: one funeral at a time.
🙏GBU🙏ALL🙏
A lot of misgivings and misrepresentation of the seven layers of the sacred text of Qur'an is being negated by the renowned scholar Dr Hany Atchan in his podcast called "Marvelous Qur'an".
He offers an unprecedented level of scholarly discernment of the linguistic analysis of the Qur'an text.
seven layers ? ahruf are layers now ? hhh
@@georgepeh A=M and yes its man made, mad-man-made
a pagan patchwork of pimped up plagiates.
Why is there an idiotic background music which makes listenting to contents more difficult?
Espisito at Georgetown is one of this paid off by the Saudis
have both books, they're not as difficult to read as some suspect they are, well worth purchasing!
I'm curious why more people don't discuss the Mubahala with the Najran Christians? Muslim traditions state the Mubahala was not invoked, but other traditions state it was. That curse clearly falls on Muhamad as he died within a year. Wouldn't it be much more convincing to Muslims to use their own teachings and traditions to disprove Islam than arguing doctrine with them?
They afe not feared or hated they are pitied
One thing I'm not getting here is - if 25% of the Quran is unintelligible, what am I reading when I read it in English translation and all the translations seem to say much the same thing?
Clearly you're ahead of me by a mile, but I'm not getting answers to this and another elementary question (namely: "What is the point of a defective script - Is it a kind of shorthand?") and this makes me uneasy about introducing these ideas into conversations.
Also, does Angelika Neuwirth have an internet presence - you mentioned an interview?
Great stuff though.
What is the alleged 25% of the Quran that is unintelligible?
@@aaabrams1889 You tell me, I was listening to the video from 8.20 where Jay Smith talks about the "dark passages" that no-one understands and asking what they were. Perhaps he means "understands without the dots that distinguish different letters"?
Translations are typically steeped in interpretation, an interpretation which is informed by centuries of the standard Islamic narrative. Honest translations are riddled with parentheses which include all the additions that the translator brought to the text.
If you read the Quran without parentheses and without the context of the Islamic narrative (Sunnah & Sirat), it’s very opaque. And as Gabriel Said Reynolds pointed out, Sunnah & Sirat were written after the fact in order to provide the context that was missing. In reality, the true context is of course the Bible and many apocryphal texts.
As for the defective script, that was likely not a deliberate choice. Robert Kerr has written about the origins of the Arabic script and he argues that it is indeed based on Eastern Syriac where there are less phonemes which explains the ambiguity. While the Quranic texts were only used by a small group of experts, that likely didn’t matter. Only once it spread did. the need for diacritics become apparent.
@@StephenCowley001
Not to be specific, I agree that some verses cannot be understood today as other were also not understood centuries earlier...but as time evolves with new scientific discoveries, those verses became clear as other will become clear because the Quran is till the end of time.
These verses are called the Ambiguous verses and are open to more than one interpretation BUT THIS DO NOT AFFECT THE THEOLOGY OF ISLAM because CLEAR verses, the Unambiguous verses are CRYSTAL CLEAR, the 5 pillars of Islam, the do's and don't, etc.
YOU MUST REMEMBER
Jay smoth and his clowns will do anything to malign Islam as they coined their own terminology to undermine Islam, All in the negative, for example, SIN, for "standard Islamic narrative" and Islam knows it as HADITH which means a REPORT or Testimony of the companions of Mohammad (saw)...and now "Dark passages" ...ha ha ha
THE DOTS OR THE DIACRITICAL MARKINGS
And shakl meant tying letters with diacritics (i.e. short vowels) ...so that they are pronounced in a proper way as revealed to Mohammad (saw) were added later for Arabs with different dialects and Non-Arabs.
@@aaabrams1889 don't worry let the truth speak for itself.
because everyone fought
over the same piece of cheese
sema pehak
bodo dan tolo
noledgelah kunun
Fallow da money....
No Jay, all it takes is to stand up for God and your career is toasted. I am proof of that standing up for religious values against policy of major corporations will get you fired.
Luxenberg is a pen name and he is anonymous just like authors of the bible LOL.
Dear Jay,
I think sometimes you talk too much and don't geven your guest enough space. Why then have a guest? Maybe your enthousiasm takes a run with you sometimes? Would be nice to let your guest speak more.
Luxembourg is much closer to real origin of islam than anyone else in this field. Nobody asks the simple question that what Jesus is doing in the Quran? I m dealing with it from my childhood . I always thought as Quran is more connected to Jews literature . It should have given up whole jesus story as Jews did. Rather we find jesus with more miracles in Quran than New Testament . That doesn’t make sense unless islam has its origin in Christianity and later it became pro Jews when Arabs created their own identity .
Jay still off course, latest finding: " bastardized"
Having dealt with a lot of research and the criticism of research, the kinds of criticism aimed toward Luxenberg and Luling is not uncommon. Petty jealousy, politics, character assassination are common in academia. I find the assertion that one word is not attested in the Galilean Aramaic to be petty. Someone can replicate the work of Luxenberg or Luling using their sources to see how whole parts were lifted. Throwing stones doesn't cut it as valid criticism.
I think the answer to your question is that they cannot abide fools.
@mysotiras 08 that is a reasonable statement, however, I think that the men presenting this video are just executing an agenda, and not really concerned with the truth.
@@georgepeh Could you enlighten me as to the definition of 'an abdul' please? I' m not sure if it is a pejorative term for an Arab. or a pejorative term for a Muslim.
And in future, if you wish to abuse me verbally, please do so in better English.
@@georgepeh I'm sorry but I can't make sense of your comment. The only part of it I can understand is your enquiry as to why I consider being referred to as an 'abdul' an insult. The answer to that question is that it seems to be couched in a verbally aggressive manner.
@@georgepeh A word of advice, son. When trolling, try and keep ad hominen arguments to the minimum, they are too obvious, Have a good one!
Hello Doc & Thomas ... Season's Greeting from Hours ... And to you and your viewers ... Merry Christmas.
What If I would give you guys one word in Syriac language & it's Arabic equivalent that will unlock the door to heavens for you and for both .... the German and the French Schools ... as to the true beginning of Islam ???
Off course, nothing is free .... Nonetheless, this will not cost you more than; First, mentioning my name in your next video Dr. J..... All you have to say : " Horus Du Shara ... Can you please help us out here ??? can you please give us the keyword to heaven??? ". So, as you see, all I ask for is to give credit where it's due .... and that is called Academic Integrity as you know.
The Second condition will be revealed after the first is met.
Peace upon you all and to the world.
Ye olde fear to treat other religions the same way we treat Christianity and our own Indoeuropean and not indoeuropean religious pre christian background.... same in academia between Boetius or lets say the Carolingian "renaissance" all the way the scholastics until the renaissance or even later (descartes, in the case of philosophy and social science) like if all important things in a millennia were only happening in the muslim world and Europe were a barbaric place.... Lets retake all the Levant and northern Africa to It´s origins has part of the western culture legate it belongs has an importan part.
I have 300+ books on Islam, Andrew Bostom, Raymond Ibrahim, Bat Ye'or, Ibn Warraq and countless others.
The books Jay is talking about are COMPLETELY USELESS unless one is prepared to spend one entire day to read and comprehend ONE PAGE with all the NOTES.
The message can be written in a small book of 100 pages, preferibly in NORMAL ENGLISH.
Cröne, Luling, Luxemberg and the like are not worth our time and money.
Angry Girl, One man's meat, .....
You just hate to examine the truth and act like an angry bully boy once people find out islm is not what people think it is.... I encourage you to open your mind and free yourself from your obsessive thoughts..happy xmas...
U are proof that u can only ..read but cannot understand it! ps. For example, Lenin wrote...thousand of volumes to prove BS!
Why don't you sit aside all
The discoveries and conclusions and focus on
Europeans who fall victims
To islam .
If you show a quarter of a false religion's book is plagiarized and perverted aren't you doing just that but for the Muslims trapped in other countries too.
Francois de Blois has stated "Luxenberg" is definitely not German and is a Lebanese Christian without any academic credentials who has plagiarized old debunked revisionist pseudo-history from the 1970s, and presented it as his own "new findings" 20 years ago. He says this is evident from the fact that he has a limited knowledge of Arabic, makes many mistakes which as similar to modern day Lebanese slang, as opposed to classical Arabic, and that German academics have no reason to hide their identity, [10]
[10] DE BLOIS, FRANÇOIS; ﺩﻱ ﺑﻠﻮﺍ, ﻑ. 2003. "Review of Die syro-aramäische Lesart des Koran. Ein Beitrag zur Entschlüsselung der Koransprache / ﻗﺮﺍﺀﺓ ﺳﺮﻳﺎﻧﻴﺔ ﺁﺭﺍﻣﻴﺔ ﻟﻠﻘﺮﺁﻥ". Journal of Qur'anic Studies. 5 (1): 92-97. ISSN 1465-3591. JSTOR 25728097.
Francois De blois is just an envious nobody who has no credibility in the world of science. Only haters of the truth will be desperate enough to bring up names nobody cares about.
@@trinitymatrix9719
He is right.
an anonymous scholar lol.
Nobody can check his identity or credentials.
@@alonzoharris6730 My friend, truth is sometimes hard to swallow..i encourage you to free yourself from your obsessive thoughts and think and ask critical questions..good luck and happy x-mas....
@@alonzoharris6730 I guess you will just have to evaluate his arguments on their merits rather than the scholar's reputation. Imagine that!
@@michaels4255
I did and you didn't. Neither fid these two clowns.