You're the first person I've been able to find that clearly explains Lightroom in a quick and easy fashion! I had my hunch that CC wasn't as great as Classic (which is what I use) and you confirmed this! Looks like Adobe still hasn't done much to update....
Keep in mind that this video was uploaded October 2017. Adobe could have already added features that CC was missing at launch. (I don't know myself. I just barely got a subscription and am trying to find out myself which one to use)
I was SO confused when I was looking for a tutorial and all of their versions of the software looked different from mine. THANK YOU! Turns out I was using CC when I thought I was using classic...
Brilliant! At last someone who is happy to tell the truth. Adobe have screwed up and launched a new product before it’s really ready and have not though through the implications. I predict their sales will suffer as more and more serious photographers (both pro and amateur) move away from Lightroom. Thanks for your clarity and device.
I don't really see why anybody would prefer the new Lightroom CC. What's with the obsession to upload all files in the cloud? What about privacy? (After all the hacks I am not terribly confident of Adobe's security.) And in what world do Adobe managers live when they've apparently never had an outage of their internet connection or couldn't access the internet because they were moving and the new connection wasn't ready yet? Personally I also don't really see the need to edit photos with Lightroom on a smartphone. Screen is tiny, fingers are big, why not do it properly on the desktop? Your needs may vary, but for me the mobile app was always a solution to a problem I've never had. And now I am a bit concerned that this is the first step by Adobe to kill off the desktop version.
I kind of agree with you. that there will be challenges with internet connections etc. but I also understand the need for mobile editing and editing accross multiple devices. but I think they have different purposes. I might use both, Lightroom Classic for most of my work especially professional then Lightroom CC for any travel photography so I can edit as I go. Its definitely an interesting move.
A professional might have the need to edit on the go but not most amateur photographers. Why would anyone on holiday or out for the day want to edit straight away? They surely have better things to do than mess with photos. The most pleasure that I get is looking at an editing when I get home.
For me, it's all about instagram. Because I can't post to instagram from a computer, I currently edit all of my photos on my computer, then upload to google drive, and then download to my phone to post to instagram. I manage not only my own instagram account, but also the accounts of several models. I post between 15 and 20 photos per day every day, 7 days per week. The new LightroomCC offers relief to some of those workflow hurdles, but after using it for a couple hours yesterday I don't believe it's ready for prime-time use yet. I still ended up using Lightroom Classic to develop the images. The mobile version of Lightroom is really substandard as well. In the future, I look forward to fully functioning versions of LrCC. But for now, i'll still be jumping those hurdles.
This is what I also concerned about that they kill the classic version. So you have to pay monthly for Lightroom and, i guess, a huge amount of money for online memory space for your archive. Currently I would need around 6 TB.
I don´t really see a lot of professionals who would need to edit on the go. Landscape photographers, portrait photographers, fashion, travel and so on they all need a high end editing of their images and not on an Ipad with the wrong color. On a two week trip I take over 4000 images, when the heck should I upload the images into the cloud when I`m on a remote destination like in Alaska or Iceland. I select and edit at home, on my computer and on my harddrive.
Thank you so much for this!!! I am just beginning my journey in Photography and I was overwhelmed with the BS and the insane amount that Lightroom CC pushed you to spend stupid amounts of money to store your files. I think it is a money grab as everyone knows RAW files are massive and take a massive amount of storage. You are right when you say that it has been put to market before it was ready and I swear they must have someone that used to work at Nintendo trying to screw the public every which way with add on after add on and storage increase after storage increase! 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️ Thankfully I saw the forest for the trees (so to speak) and canceled with it straight away and after watching this will be re calibrating with Lightroom Classic. Thank you for that your awesome and honest which I love!🙏🏻😍👍🏻
As much as I agree that both Lightroom and Photoshop are the industry's defacto standard, I have no desire to be on the hook for $10.00 - $20.00 every month.
Ed, best video I have ever seen. Adobe comes out with smoke and mirrors and tries to not explain it in detail. Which you did. Awesome, thank you. One additional limit to Lightroom CC is that I am always traveling, and sometimes on a plane without internet-and that would make all my files inaccessible.
It really bugs me that the photographer's plan (that includes Photoshop) now costs almost three times what it was originally. Fortunately I signed up when it was a package deal with PS and LR together so I get both and the new version of LRcc at the original price. They will lose a "paying" customer in me if that changes - I'll go back to yo-ho-ho-ing the software.
can't do that anymore. Apparently adobe implemented a system where each day a new auth code is generated for the software that is only downloadable via an active CC subscription. thats what my bud told me anyways. he works for them. still wont get me free LR
Good thing I saw this video. I haven't use LR in over a year and when I opened LR CC (I opened the wrong app), I was so frustrated that I couldn't find any of the features I used to use. I even watched YT videos to help me relearn LR but none of the interface matches. I came to find out I was using the wrong app. Damnit Adobe!!!
Ishaan Mehta it’s also just a well executed tradition portrait lighting setup. Similar to how for a while all direct flash on white photos were compared to Terry Richardson, Unbox Therapy lighting is just a very popular channel using a classic setup
You're spot on. Even as a daily street shooter, I can't be bothered to wait for say 500mbtof photos to sync. I could simply pop those on a drive, or local, or both. That's what smart previews are for. Also side note, but I wonder if we'll be watching this in 10 years referring to CC as Classic Cloud.
I think there will be.a very very slow move away from Lightroom Classic. Its going to take time because Lightroom CC just isn't ready yet. Great portential but currently not useful for professionals or even amateurs. too slow, too expensive and missing too many features.
New Lightroom looks really nice....but no reason to use it. The use of the cloud is amazing though. Not a fan of the "classic" name. I immediately thought it was outdated but after watching these videos I see it's not.
Hi Ed, I'm an amateur photographer who subscribes to Adobe Photoshop CC. Thank you, thank you for that wonderful explanation on the differences between the two applications. You were concise and to the point. And...the British accent was a bonus.
Great explanation. There's no way I'd ever use the new version even if storage was free. I prefer local storage when on the road...mobile plans are far too expensive. Apart from that I already have offsite backup in place (at a cost and includes more than just photo/video)...I don't need two cloud storages thanks.
exactly. most series shooters have there system and cloud storage gets expensive over time. I see its merits but right now Lightroom CC is going to be too pricey for pros to really take it seriously. Maybe its just splitting the market though hence they have kept Lightroom Classi CC. Im just happy they didn't force us all to go Lightroom Cloud.
For people who may like the idea of cloud storage that can be privately accessed across multiple devices, easy to set up cloud servers are available on Amazon and places like Best Buy. You can choose the size and use it for anything.
Thanks for clearing that up. I got Lightroom Classic for Christmas. Little did I know what a career learning it would be. Now I at least understand the difference.
Oh my goodness, thank you for making this video. Ive been going crazy trying to figure out why some features were not on the Lightroom cc. Its been hours lol. Thanks again for making this video!
Still seems that mobile works with classic and all the collections at the moment. Being that I edit on my phone most the time, that works for me. Sticking with classic.
Thank you very much, this is the best explanation I've seen. I feel they should have called them: "Lightroom PC" & "Lightroom Mobile Cloud" or something like that.. Easy to comprehend.
I think adobe lost a lot of people wit Lightroom CC a few years ago however I cannot recumbent enough using Lightroom classic CC. Its a lot more powerful than Lightroom 5 and supports the newest cameras so if you end up updating your camera you may need to. the improvement this year alone is worth it in my optinion. Saying that light 5 was amazing.
Totally agree 5 is sufficient for the Hobby Photographer. $10/month is too much! I personally find the cloud SLOW and not safe. I tried saving files while traveling and took forever. I think I rather work on my I7 and 4T storage it is more that safe and if it goes down well I guilty. Not some multinational Hacker.
Hey just a little tip which may have gone wrong. Around Lightroom CC you have a little box an around Lightroom classic cc the little box is shifted to the upper left corner
That is nooooo true. personally I don't need them to fear loosing customers I just want them to listed to us so they create features we actually want instead of solving problems we don't have.
This was a helpful comparison! I was confused about the differences at first. I like classic lightroom so much more and i'm glad the new cc isn't replacing it.
I have the same fears but I really don't think they can which is why they have split it into Lightroom Classic and Lightroom CC. they have different audiences and user so hopefully they will want to keep as many paying customers as possible.
My full time gig is as a software engineer. Doing that for the last 20 years has pretty much taught me that when you have two products that do the same thing, eventually one of them gets killed. Usually it's whatever is labeled as classic or legacy. So that has me wondering if I should start looking at Capture 1 and Affinity Photo (or some other replacements).
Photos In Color naming something classic is the same as killing it. Adobe will discontinue classic as soon as they can. Having to versions of is basically the program does not make sense.
Yep - The Adobe strategy will be to move their customers onto the cloud. "Classic" is their commercially acceptable word for "Legacy" and reducing future investment and moving the user base into CC.
I just switched from Lightroom 5 to Lightroom CC and it is TERRIBLE because I've lost features and I'm paying monthly. To make it worse, I'm hearing that I can't download Classic on my MacBook Pro which is my only computer for my business because I literally travel full time. Know any workarounds for that?
Correct. But some detail is important as to why this difference is reliving. To whome and also my personal opinion. Although yes you are right. That’s the essence.
I love CC and already use the mobile version and I am a high volume wedding photographer. I just upload one wedding at a time. I don't need to keep all my wedding photos in the cloud. So the notion you would have to purchase endless amount of drive space is silly. The mobile or CC version is SO MUCH faster than even the now "classic" version that it is worth the transfer to the cloud. Not only that to be able to be mobile and edit on the go is a HUGE advantage for me. I was getting so sick of being tethered to a desk. So if the main hang up is drive space so you can leave every image you take in the cloud, you are missing out on a much easier (and more fun if you have an iPad pro and apple pen) way to edit. I would recommend to people to give it an honest try, I think you will find it to be a better way to edit.
So after only ten month I will have paid more than for my Lightroom 6 standalone, that I have been working with for over two years now. That is just sad, I hate this whole subscription stuff, you can never call something yours because in a few month you have nothing left accept you keep on paying more and more and more.
Did you get all the lightroom cc updates On lr6? Did you get the free cloud storage? What about the other free extras? If not then you'd be buying a new program to get the updates
SaKuLification unless you go w/ GIMP, the next best thing is Capture One. It cost 300$ and if they put out a new one in less than 3 years it still cost more than Adobe subs. My drawback is its all in US dollars, if the Canadian $ goes down Ill pay way more that year
thanks for your support. like a comments really do help me channel to grow. sorry it was a while. but I'm back now so stay tuned. Live show on Tuesday.
I am not a pro photographer and have been using LR for the last 3yrs. I do 99.8% of my photo editing in LR and I have the standalone version. Now, if I decide to purchase a new camera, I will be forced into purchasing a subscription and always keep paying for LR. THIS SUCKS!!!!! I am always touting the ease of use and functionality of LR to all my friends, but now I will have to tell them how bad this is because once you stop paying for your subscription LR will stop working. Nice way to screw the non-pro photography people LR.
Don’t know if this was brought up in the comments but you didn’t quite go into about Lightroom sync in LR Classic. You touched on it with the collections comment, but it is possible to use Sync on LR classic with the Lightroom CC app on your phone or tablet. That way you can do some of your photos to go and make basic edits. Also, you can take photos with the Lightroom CC app on your phone and use sync with LR classic, for say, using the GPS location to add to the photos you took with DSLR camera. Though LR sync can be a little tricky but I use it mostly for the GPS info.
Adobe is getting greedier and so on...and other competitors/alternatives might be on the rise to take the opportunity -> which is good for users as there would be more options for us to choose from... Thanks Ed :)
I would agree. Although Lightroom CC is powerful I really think that its use is only for mobile shooters or though who are seriously on the move all the time. But for the most of us Lightroom Classic is a far better and more important product.
Would you recommend having your Lightroom Classic library duplicated on CC so it can be stored on the cloud? I definitely will continue using Classic as opposed to CC for overall/editing purposes but am wondering if it is worth it just to have it to take advantage of the storage opportunity (I don't have enough content to need to pay for anything as of yet). And could it also be used as a route to access your Lightroom Classic photos from your mobile?
I don't recommend it. I would rather just buy a an external hard drive. I don't always work on images where there is an internet connection, so if I can't access the cloud how would I get my stuff. However, I have an Iphone 8 Plus and I'm using CC for images I shoot on my iphone.
Lightroom CC is also included with the Classic subscription (although only 20GB of storage). You can upload a few files you're working on and have access to them anywhere (work, home, mobile). I just upgraded to 1TB of storage for $15 a month, which includes the 1TB storage, Classic, PS, and CC. To me, that's a good deal for backing up my collection and if I want to, I can edit them wherever. I can understand it's no good for companies, but for individuals, I think it is. Edit: I don't think it's an either/or. For me it's a combination of both and it's a good deal for all that you get. $15 a month for LR Classic CC, LR CC, PS, and a bunch of others, plus the 1TB storage.
As I am just an amateur and take about 300 photos a year 120 dollars a year means every 3 photos I take costs a dollar making it far too expensive. I currently have the perpetual licence for version 6 and will have to stick with that. I shall eventually say goodbye to Adobe and look for something else. Can anyone recommend anything?
well maybe Lightroom CC will be great for you as it will allow you to edit on different devices and you get 20gb included for the $20. this way you may be more inclined to take more photos. sounds like Lightroom CC might be perfect for you. Take a look at On1 they have some pretty great photo editing applications.
Thanks to you and Ed for recommending On 1. I have looked at various videos and this seems to be the best option as either a replacement or a plug in for Lightroom. If as a plug in it could possibly replace Nik which I currently use with Lightroom 6. I intend to give the trial version a go as I have no intention of hiring software for photo processing.
I'm deciding to keep both. I will use Lightroom CC for my quick jobs for event photography and things of that nature that dont need much editing. My personal work for editorial and fine art I will use Classic CC because with this version I am able to export and edit in Photoshop and have it save automatically back to Lightroom. As soon as Lightroom CC gains more features I think it'll be a hit.
Less then the cost of buying if on a CD. Plu better yet you don't have to buy it each year to get all the updates. It's the way to b o, far better then buying a CD or one time download of the bullshit so called goid ole days myth.
I was really curious as to what the difference was since I finally bought a computer to use again and I couldn't figure out what meant what when downloading the applications. Prior to own my computer, I would edit using the mobile app, but like you said there isnt too much you can do with it. Great explanation, quick and easy to understand.
Not to mention that it's monthly subscribe only now. Adobe really fucked up this time. I stick with my old Lightroom 2015 which does the job perfectly and I have to pay nothing to those greedy bas****
Well I'm not sure that $10 a month is ready. its keeps the software current and allows there company to grow while keeping the prices low. I think they definitely did bring out a poor product this time but Lightroom Classic is just as awesome, only faster and supports the new cameras.
Lightroom CC is useless as it is now, as you pointed out too. Also, "renting" by paying a monthly subscription for CC or classic doesn't make sense at all to 99% of photographers who only edit 10 shots a month as amateurs.
I concentrate this channel purely on photography at the moment so am only talking about Lightroom classic cc and Lightroom cc. I will be doing a video on the new photoshop cc though so stay tuned for that. Adobe max 2017 has been a big one for sure.
Photoshop has had an update Premier has been updated but I don't think it's changed. I have the full suite so have access to all the light rooms Lightroom cc 2015 Lightroom cc Lightroom classic cc 2017 I don't know if I get the 1 terabyte of cloud storage on lightroom cc you get the cloud storage for free on the website. They have upped the full suite cloud storage to 100 gigs
zagan1 premiere got big changes. yoj can open multiple project now (like after effect), remove all gaps in a project in a single click, responsive design (trimming your clips don't effect keyframes) you can't release an update without updating the apps, it makes no sense.
Not really sure. not using that anymore as google is no longer supporting it so it will slowly fade away as it breaks. I'd rather jump into things that are supported.
It still works for me with Lightroom 6 and also it works with Photoshop Elements although I don't use Elements very much. I have to thank Ed for introducing me to it. I will probably stay with this for now as I have no intention of using a subscription service.
thank you for the concise explanation. I recently updated my CC apps and was a bit confused with what I was seeing. I'll definitely be sticking with using the classic versions of the different apps.
And all you if you will go with LR CC then you making life for all us more expensive. Also I would suggest to stay with old version and not buy the new one CC which is taking money's from us. They making money machine not the tool for photography.
I see your frustration but they are building the software we all want to use so its kind of there choice. they have made something we love. as humans we just get stuck in our ways.
Thanks very much for clearly describing the differences between these products. Good there is someone out there with the knowledge and familiarization with the products - it woiuld have taken me days to figure out. I am taking your advice on this and stacking with the "classic" for the time being.
6:36m to say: - Lightroom CC is a new product where all your content is in the cloud. It's expensive and not ready. - Lightroom Classic CC is just a new update of Lightroom. Take this one. Stop speaking like your audience is stupid.
thanks Ed :) until they fix a problem that began with ACR 9.12.1 (which is still present in LR Classic and PS with v10.0) without suggesting a pointless workaround i won't be updating forums.adobe.com/thread/2388755
I would say they are the master of many many many other things. They have been vital in building and shaping the current creative climate for sure. just a little more listening would be great I think. I am still a supporter of Lightroom Classic though. Still a great product.
Thank you for this video, I downloaded both of them thinking I needed to have both and you have helped me determine that I only want Lightroom CC and I'll store all my photos on an external hard drive so that I can move between my iMac and my MacBook Pro. Thanks again!!
Storage is one issue, but what about upload/download speed? How long does it take to transfer a set of files to and from the cloud? Current work flow would be a quick cull in camera, then upload shots to a lightroom catalogue for first review. Move through images, tagging the shots for first edit. Then, depending on client, share small versions for second review, followed by full edit of the final selection. How does the new Lightroom CC Change this? There is now an upload that takes place before the first review. Then all of the downloads during editing (It would make sense for LR to download a local copy for editing and then upload the edit sequence, rather than upload the full edited image). Then sharing a collection with a client. This may be possile direct from the cloud, but may require an local export so that images can be emailed, messaged or shared. Then its final editing (more downloads) and then a final export to send to printer/website/client/social media. Lots of data traffic there. How long does each download take, and what is the cost of all that traffic? In the office, we get 100MB/s to the net, and some countries have 1000MB/s, but the cloud service may be hosted in another country. You may have fast access to the net, but that does not guarantee fast access to the cloud service. That adds time. If you are office based ... there is minimal gain for the cost of slowing your workflow. What about in the field? Well, here, cloud storage is helpful .. .buuut .... that assumes that you have coverage, and access to 4G is basically nowhere outside major cities and remote mine sites. (4G near iron ore, gold mines and gas plants is a thing down here!) Then there is the cost of all that data traffic. Down here in Oztralia, 1000GB of traffic in the office costs me $80 per month or "unlimited" for $99 per month. For a SIM card in a phone or tablet, $99 per month gets me only 30GB of traffic (that's up and down added together - total traffic) So if you generate more than 360GB of images per year then you are exceeding your mobile data cap, and that does not include emails, music web surfing etc. I cant see the benefit of slowing down workflow in the office or adding ridiculous costs in the field. I don't think the infrastructure is there to support what Lightroom CC could be. Maybe it's different in the good ol' US of A, but here, while Lightroom CC sounds great in principle ... it seems ahead if its time for the currently available infrastructure.
This was extremely helpful! You just answered questions that I have had for over a year. Now I need to decide to stay with Lightroom CC or go to Lightroom Classic. Thank you!
Very useful, to the point and well presented. it makes a huge difference to have someone really get to the point and explain things clearly and back up that idea.
you can but then you are paying for your local file storage and then the Cloud storage from adobe. so you will end up paying for everything twice. makes no sense.
Thank you very much for this explanation. It's interesting that this information isn't readily findable on Adobe's website while you can watch a video with colours, music and very little actual detail.
Absolutely agree, pricing is a problem, I create 256GB per day or more, just wonder how long will it take to upload that to their cloud? I can copy them to my NAS via thunderbolt within 15mins and import to LR in the next 5 minutes. Current I can just about upload 2-30gb to google drive in each hour, is Adobe realistic to believe they have the bandwidth to handle the normal workflow?
People complaining about the monthly solution are so stuck in the 2000s and have absolutely no clue about why the monthly solution is the way to go without any hesitation and is not only about the business model. Technology has evolved and having to pay every x years for a new version of a software just does not make sense at all anymore. If some companies still offer other solution is because they either 1. don't have the technology 2. are kind enough to please people stuck in the past. If you think the point 2 will last, forget about it. And for all the haters who will come and comment "buhuhu this is bullshit this is just about making money" I reiterate: this is not only about a business model. This is about technology in the first place. If it was not the case then companies would have started doing in in the 90s already. If you don't get it, at least deal with it, you have no choice (not talking about the morons who are using these tools for business purposes but cracking the softwares).
Very thorough. Thx... now I know the difference. (Keeps seeing adverts utilizing an edit toolbar I've never seen before. Must be for LR CC for tablet and/or phone).
The new minimal version of CC looks even harder to use, despite being more focused on the cloud and streamed to mobile phones and tablets. I would have preferred optimization. Classic CC any day of the week!
I also think that Adobe are forgetting the hobby photographers out there.
spot on Jeff. its all abt money making these days
Photoscape X is free and decent
Some how my sister got a Lightroom that is new that is not a subscription base. I don't know how, she doesn't either. It was given to her.
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That coffee mug on the left edge annoys me so much.
Hahahaha. That’s funny. There’s also that one strand of hair pointing up too.
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You're the first person I've been able to find that clearly explains Lightroom in a quick and easy fashion! I had my hunch that CC wasn't as great as Classic (which is what I use) and you confirmed this! Looks like Adobe still hasn't done much to update....
Keep in mind that this video was uploaded October 2017. Adobe could have already added features that CC was missing at launch. (I don't know myself. I just barely got a subscription and am trying to find out myself which one to use)
I was SO confused when I was looking for a tutorial and all of their versions of the software looked different from mine. THANK YOU! Turns out I was using CC when I thought I was using classic...
Me too! I much prefer classic! Im disappointed with CC
The coloured smoke intro is STUNNING! I love the simple set-up of your desk and the background, too. Bravo!
Brilliant! At last someone who is happy to tell the truth. Adobe have screwed up and launched a new product before it’s really ready and have not though through the implications. I predict their sales will suffer as more and more serious photographers (both pro and amateur) move away from Lightroom. Thanks for your clarity and device.
Peter Salkeld did you move, and if so, where?
I don't really see why anybody would prefer the new Lightroom CC. What's with the obsession to upload all files in the cloud? What about privacy? (After all the hacks I am not terribly confident of Adobe's security.) And in what world do Adobe managers live when they've apparently never had an outage of their internet connection or couldn't access the internet because they were moving and the new connection wasn't ready yet? Personally I also don't really see the need to edit photos with Lightroom on a smartphone. Screen is tiny, fingers are big, why not do it properly on the desktop? Your needs may vary, but for me the mobile app was always a solution to a problem I've never had. And now I am a bit concerned that this is the first step by Adobe to kill off the desktop version.
I kind of agree with you. that there will be challenges with internet connections etc. but I also understand the need for mobile editing and editing accross multiple devices. but I think they have different purposes. I might use both, Lightroom Classic for most of my work especially professional then Lightroom CC for any travel photography so I can edit as I go. Its definitely an interesting move.
A professional might have the need to edit on the go but not most amateur photographers. Why would anyone on holiday or out for the day want to edit straight away? They surely have better things to do than mess with photos. The most pleasure that I get is looking at an editing when I get home.
For me, it's all about instagram. Because I can't post to instagram from a computer, I currently edit all of my photos on my computer, then upload to google drive, and then download to my phone to post to instagram. I manage not only my own instagram account, but also the accounts of several models. I post between 15 and 20 photos per day every day, 7 days per week.
The new LightroomCC offers relief to some of those workflow hurdles, but after using it for a couple hours yesterday I don't believe it's ready for prime-time use yet. I still ended up using Lightroom Classic to develop the images. The mobile version of Lightroom is really substandard as well. In the future, I look forward to fully functioning versions of LrCC. But for now, i'll still be jumping those hurdles.
This is what I also concerned about that they kill the classic version. So you have to pay monthly for Lightroom and, i guess, a huge amount of money for online memory space for your archive. Currently I would need around 6 TB.
I don´t really see a lot of professionals who would need to edit on the go. Landscape photographers, portrait photographers, fashion, travel and so on they all need a high end editing of their images and not on an Ipad with the wrong color. On a two week trip I take over 4000 images, when the heck should I upload the images into the cloud when I`m on a remote destination like in Alaska or Iceland. I select and edit at home, on my computer and on my harddrive.
Im willing to pay for a tool, but not interested for a monthly paid service!
same here. But they are not leaving any option. sad
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lucada32 you don’t think the people working for adobe have family’s to feed??
Is there a comparison like this one in 2020 ? I think that it's informative yet so old
SpartX7 I need one as well. Not 100% sure which one would benefit me more now
Thank you for this excellently done separation of the two for me. I highly appreciate your effort to explain it n so well and this video.
my pleasure.
@3:09 is all I needed to hear. Thank you sir!
Thank you so much for this!!! I am just beginning my journey in Photography and I was overwhelmed with the BS and the insane amount that Lightroom CC pushed you to spend stupid amounts of money to store your files. I think it is a money grab as everyone knows RAW files are massive and take a massive amount of storage. You are right when you say that it has been put to market before it was ready and I swear they must have someone that used to work at Nintendo trying to screw the public every which way with add on after add on and storage increase after storage increase! 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
Thankfully I saw the forest for the trees (so to speak) and canceled with it straight away and after watching this will be re calibrating with Lightroom Classic. Thank you for that your awesome and honest which I love!🙏🏻😍👍🏻
As much as I agree that both Lightroom and Photoshop are the industry's defacto standard, I have no desire to be on the hook for $10.00 - $20.00 every month.
Ed, best video I have ever seen. Adobe comes out with smoke and mirrors and tries to not explain it in detail. Which you did. Awesome, thank you. One additional limit to Lightroom CC is that I am always traveling, and sometimes on a plane without internet-and that would make all my files inaccessible.
It really bugs me that the photographer's plan (that includes Photoshop) now costs almost three times what it was originally. Fortunately I signed up when it was a package deal with PS and LR together so I get both and the new version of LRcc at the original price. They will lose a "paying" customer in me if that changes - I'll go back to yo-ho-ho-ing the software.
can't do that anymore. Apparently adobe implemented a system where each day a new auth code is generated for the software that is only downloadable via an active CC subscription. thats what my bud told me anyways. he works for them. still wont get me free LR
Good thing I saw this video. I haven't use LR in over a year and when I opened LR CC (I opened the wrong app), I was so frustrated that I couldn't find any of the features I used to use. I even watched YT videos to help me relearn LR but none of the interface matches. I came to find out I was using the wrong app. Damnit Adobe!!!
Unbox therapy setup or just me?
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I definitely take that as a compliment. Just trying to build a new look, clean simple and too the point. Thanks for tuning in.
same I thought the same thing
Ishaan Mehta it’s also just a well executed tradition portrait lighting setup. Similar to how for a while all direct flash on white photos were compared to Terry Richardson, Unbox Therapy lighting is just a very popular channel using a classic setup
Just need a wide angle lens, some glasses, a snapback and... done.
You're spot on. Even as a daily street shooter, I can't be bothered to wait for say 500mbtof photos to sync. I could simply pop those on a drive, or local, or both. That's what smart previews are for.
Also side note, but I wonder if we'll be watching this in 10 years referring to CC as Classic Cloud.
I think there will be.a very very slow move away from Lightroom Classic. Its going to take time because Lightroom CC just isn't ready yet. Great portential but currently not useful for professionals or even amateurs. too slow, too expensive and missing too many features.
New Lightroom looks really nice....but no reason to use it. The use of the cloud is amazing though.
Not a fan of the "classic" name. I immediately thought it was outdated but after watching these videos I see it's not.
same here! Classics gui just looks outdated lol
Hi Ed, I'm an amateur photographer who subscribes to Adobe Photoshop CC. Thank you, thank you for that wonderful explanation on the differences between the two applications. You were concise and to the point. And...the British accent was a bonus.
Great explanation. There's no way I'd ever use the new version even if storage was free. I prefer local storage when on the road...mobile plans are far too expensive.
Apart from that I already have offsite backup in place (at a cost and includes more than just photo/video)...I don't need two cloud storages thanks.
exactly. most series shooters have there system and cloud storage gets expensive over time. I see its merits but right now Lightroom CC is going to be too pricey for pros to really take it seriously. Maybe its just splitting the market though hence they have kept Lightroom Classi CC. Im just happy they didn't force us all to go Lightroom Cloud.
I just hope they never drop classic...if they do I'll be finding a different workflow.
For people who may like the idea of cloud storage that can be privately accessed across multiple devices, easy to set up cloud servers are available on Amazon and places like Best Buy. You can choose the size and use it for anything.
as always,,,, your videos are straight to the point.,.. major reason I am a subscriber to your channel
I definitely try to give the information people want with a little of my opinion. Thanks for staying tuned.
Thanks for clearing that up. I got Lightroom Classic for Christmas. Little did I know what a career learning it would be. Now I at least understand the difference.
They need to bring back LightRoom as a stand-alone product. this monthly stuff is carp
I want 100% control and if I want cloud, I will get clouds. Want the ability to work with LR pay one price and use the product unthetered from the web
Oh my goodness, thank you for making this video. Ive been going crazy trying to figure out why some features were not on the Lightroom cc. Its been hours lol. Thanks again for making this video!
can you update this video for 2020, lightroom cc must have court up with classic. offer same features . one pc/ laptop other cloud basic
OMG thanks for this video. I was going mad because my lightroom looked so strage and I discovered that I was using Lightroom CC ♥
Still seems that mobile works with classic and all the collections at the moment. Being that I edit on my phone most the time, that works for me. Sticking with classic.
Yea me too. having som fun paling with Lightroom CC. its an interesting one.
Thank you very much, this is the best explanation I've seen. I feel they should have called them: "Lightroom PC" & "Lightroom Mobile Cloud" or something like that.. Easy to comprehend.
Yea I said this in my video. just Lightroom classic and Lightroom CC would have done it.
...... I'll stay with LR5, thank you very much .....
I think adobe lost a lot of people wit Lightroom CC a few years ago however I cannot recumbent enough using Lightroom classic CC. Its a lot more powerful than Lightroom 5 and supports the newest cameras so if you end up updating your camera you may need to. the improvement this year alone is worth it in my optinion. Saying that light 5 was amazing.
Totally agree 5 is sufficient for the Hobby Photographer. $10/month is too much! I personally find the cloud SLOW and not safe. I tried saving files while traveling and took forever. I think I rather work on my I7 and 4T storage it is more that safe and if it goes down well I guilty. Not some multinational Hacker.
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No one is talking about the misplaced frame of the “Lightroom Classic CC” title?
This video is exactly what I needed. Understanding the differences, the way you explained it, now makes sence. Thank you for taking the time to help.
And then you have the CC Full Subscription and they want money for a CC Program.. wtf is wrong with u Adobe
Hey just a little tip which may have gone wrong. Around Lightroom CC you have a little box an around Lightroom classic cc the little box is shifted to the upper left corner
Adobe are only going to worry about cost when they have serious competition in the pro market
That is nooooo true. personally I don't need them to fear loosing customers I just want them to listed to us so they create features we actually want instead of solving problems we don't have.
This was a helpful comparison! I was confused about the differences at first. I like classic lightroom so much more and i'm glad the new cc isn't replacing it.
I have some concerns that classic will be phased out in a couple years.
I have the same fears but I really don't think they can which is why they have split it into Lightroom Classic and Lightroom CC. they have different audiences and user so hopefully they will want to keep as many paying customers as possible.
Never say never. What would be better for Adobe if you have to buy a huge memory space for your whole archive. They can´t kill it to fast but slowly.
My full time gig is as a software engineer. Doing that for the last 20 years has pretty much taught me that when you have two products that do the same thing, eventually one of them gets killed. Usually it's whatever is labeled as classic or legacy. So that has me wondering if I should start looking at Capture 1 and Affinity Photo (or some other replacements).
Photos In Color naming something classic is the same as killing it. Adobe will discontinue classic as soon as they can. Having to versions of is basically the program does not make sense.
Yep - The Adobe strategy will be to move their customers onto the cloud. "Classic" is their commercially acceptable word for "Legacy" and reducing future investment and moving the user base into CC.
I just switched from Lightroom 5 to Lightroom CC and it is TERRIBLE because I've lost features and I'm paying monthly. To make it worse, I'm hearing that I can't download Classic on my MacBook Pro which is my only computer for my business because I literally travel full time. Know any workarounds for that?
this 6:36 video can be slimmed down to just 10 seconds. Lightroom CC = Cloud application, Lightroom Classic = local application. Done
Correct. But some detail is important as to why this difference is reliving. To whome and also my personal opinion. Although yes you are right. That’s the essence.
Not really. The layout, controls, and capabilities are also different.
I love CC and already use the mobile version and I am a high volume wedding photographer. I just upload one wedding at a time. I don't need to keep all my wedding photos in the cloud. So the notion you would have to purchase endless amount of drive space is silly. The mobile or CC version is SO MUCH faster than even the now "classic" version that it is worth the transfer to the cloud. Not only that to be able to be mobile and edit on the go is a HUGE advantage for me. I was getting so sick of being tethered to a desk.
So if the main hang up is drive space so you can leave every image you take in the cloud, you are missing out on a much easier (and more fun if you have an iPad pro and apple pen) way to edit. I would recommend to people to give it an honest try, I think you will find it to be a better way to edit.
Thank you! At last, someone explains it clearly and with common sense.
Thank you so much! I can not wait to start setuping. I want to create original soft for comrcials and shows alongside my many other
So after only ten month I will have paid more than for my Lightroom 6 standalone, that I have been working with for over two years now. That is just sad, I hate this whole subscription stuff, you can never call something yours because in a few month you have nothing left accept you keep on paying more and more and more.
SaKuLification yes but you get PS also for that price, no?
Don't know, but if so I would pay for something that i don't use.
Did you get all the lightroom cc updates On lr6?
Did you get the free cloud storage?
What about the other free extras?
If not then you'd be buying a new program to get the updates
SaKuLification unless you go w/ GIMP, the next best thing is Capture One. It cost 300$ and if they put out a new one in less than 3 years it still cost more than Adobe subs. My drawback is its all in US dollars, if the Canadian $ goes down Ill pay way more that year
I use Afinity Photo and Luminar. Two of the best applications out there. Oh and they don't do this monthly bullshit.
It s nice to have new content form you! i 've watched all your videos! very helpful + positive energy!! I love the new intro!!!
thanks for your support. like a comments really do help me channel to grow. sorry it was a while. but I'm back now so stay tuned. Live show on Tuesday.
I am not a pro photographer and have been using LR for the last 3yrs. I do 99.8% of my photo editing in LR and I have the standalone version. Now, if I decide to purchase a new camera, I will be forced into purchasing a subscription and always keep paying for LR. THIS SUCKS!!!!! I am always touting the ease of use and functionality of LR to all my friends, but now I will have to tell them how bad this is because once you stop paying for your subscription LR will stop working. Nice way to screw the non-pro photography people LR.
That was an amazing video and I feel like I can actually get started using soft soft. Thank you so much!
Switched to Capture One. For 50 euro's a much faster editor. Takes some time to get used to though. But the speed is SOOOOO much better!
Bas Smits never heard if it...I wanna check it out
I agree ... As usual a great perspective ... Thanks for your work ...
do you still think the same about these 2 versions ?
I sure do. I use both but the mobile one is ONLY good for mobile images.
Don’t know if this was brought up in the comments but you didn’t quite go into about Lightroom sync in LR Classic. You touched on it with the collections comment, but it is possible to use Sync on LR classic with the Lightroom CC app on your phone or tablet. That way you can do some of your photos to go and make basic edits. Also, you can take photos with the Lightroom CC app on your phone and use sync with LR classic, for say, using the GPS location to add to the photos you took with DSLR camera. Though LR sync can be a little tricky but I use it mostly for the GPS info.
Adobe is getting greedier and so on...and other competitors/alternatives might be on the rise to take the opportunity -> which is good for users as there would be more options for us to choose from...
Thanks Ed :)
Super great video makes excited to learn more and get started! Love the "stay organized" motto !!
I think I would just use Lightroom CC for stuff shot on my iphone only.
I would agree. Although Lightroom CC is powerful I really think that its use is only for mobile shooters or though who are seriously on the move all the time. But for the most of us Lightroom Classic is a far better and more important product.
Would you recommend having your Lightroom Classic library duplicated on CC so it can be stored on the cloud? I definitely will continue using Classic as opposed to CC for overall/editing purposes but am wondering if it is worth it just to have it to take advantage of the storage opportunity (I don't have enough content to need to pay for anything as of yet). And could it also be used as a route to access your Lightroom Classic photos from your mobile?
I don't recommend it. I would rather just buy a an external hard drive. I don't always work on images where there is an internet connection, so if I can't access the cloud how would I get my stuff.
However, I have an Iphone 8 Plus and I'm using CC for images I shoot on my iphone.
Lightroom CC is also included with the Classic subscription (although only 20GB of storage). You can upload a few files you're working on and have access to them anywhere (work, home, mobile). I just upgraded to 1TB of storage for $15 a month, which includes the 1TB storage, Classic, PS, and CC. To me, that's a good deal for backing up my collection and if I want to, I can edit them wherever. I can understand it's no good for companies, but for individuals, I think it is. Edit: I don't think it's an either/or. For me it's a combination of both and it's a good deal for all that you get. $15 a month for LR Classic CC, LR CC, PS, and a bunch of others, plus the 1TB storage.
As I am just an amateur and take about 300 photos a year 120 dollars a year means every 3 photos I take costs a dollar making it far too expensive. I currently have the perpetual licence for version 6 and will have to stick with that. I shall eventually say goodbye to Adobe and look for something else. Can anyone recommend anything?
well maybe Lightroom CC will be great for you as it will allow you to edit on different devices and you get 20gb included for the $20. this way you may be more inclined to take more photos. sounds like Lightroom CC might be perfect for you. Take a look at On1 they have some pretty great photo editing applications.
On1
Thanks to you and Ed for recommending On 1. I have looked at various videos and this seems to be the best option as either a replacement or a plug in for Lightroom. If as a plug in it could possibly replace Nik which I currently use with Lightroom 6. I intend to give the trial version a go as I have no intention of hiring software for photo processing.
Shoot film instead? Sounds like it'll work out cheaper at this rate! 😂
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I WANNA STANDALONE VERSION LIKE LIGHTROOM 6!!! I DON´T NEED CLOUD AND I DON´T WANNA PAY SUBSCRIPTION. BYE BYE ADOBE!!!!
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Whats an alternative?
As an amateur who doesn't make money on photos, I use Gimp and Nik Collection. Both are free. Plus the free raw image developer from Sony.
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I'm deciding to keep both. I will use Lightroom CC for my quick jobs for event photography and things of that nature that dont need much editing. My personal work for editorial and fine art I will use Classic CC because with this version I am able to export and edit in Photoshop and have it save automatically back to Lightroom. As soon as Lightroom CC gains more features I think it'll be a hit.
$10 a month? no thanks Adobe!
Same price as it has been for a few years now. its just another 10 if you want Lightroom CC with 1 TB of cloud storage. A bit pricey huh.
Less then the cost of buying if on a CD. Plu better yet you don't have to buy it each year to get all the updates. It's the way to b o, far better then buying a CD or one time download of the bullshit so called goid ole days myth.
I was really curious as to what the difference was since I finally bought a computer to use again and I couldn't figure out what meant what when downloading the applications. Prior to own my computer, I would edit using the mobile app, but like you said there isnt too much you can do with it.
Great explanation, quick and easy to understand.
Not to mention that it's monthly subscribe only now. Adobe really fucked up this time. I stick with my old Lightroom 2015 which does the job perfectly and I have to pay nothing to those greedy bas****
Well I'm not sure that $10 a month is ready. its keeps the software current and allows there company to grow while keeping the prices low. I think they definitely did bring out a poor product this time but Lightroom Classic is just as awesome, only faster and supports the new cameras.
Lightroom CC is useless as it is now, as you pointed out too. Also, "renting" by paying a monthly subscription for CC or classic doesn't make sense at all to 99% of photographers who only edit 10 shots a month as amateurs.
thanks so much Ed! so much clearer now. I shall stop trying to find the export button!
Love the video! and what about the others apps like Premiere pro CC 2018? Or photoshop?
I concentrate this channel purely on photography at the moment so am only talking about Lightroom classic cc and Lightroom cc. I will be doing a video on the new photoshop cc though so stay tuned for that. Adobe max 2017 has been a big one for sure.
Photoshop has had an update
Premier has been updated but I don't think it's changed.
I have the full suite so have access to all the light rooms
Lightroom cc 2015
Lightroom cc
Lightroom classic cc 2017
I don't know if I get the 1 terabyte of cloud storage on lightroom cc you get the cloud storage for free on the website.
They have upped the full suite cloud storage to 100 gigs
I'd say there are more mobile lightroom installs and Adobe is wanting to give pc access to the cloud storage in a better way.
zagan1 premiere got big changes.
yoj can open multiple project now (like after effect), remove all gaps in a project in a single click, responsive design (trimming your clips don't effect keyframes)
you can't release an update without updating the apps, it makes no sense.
You have saved a lot of time spent an hour looking for the watermark option Reverting back to classic
Nik collection still working?
Not really sure. not using that anymore as google is no longer supporting it so it will slowly fade away as it breaks. I'd rather jump into things that are supported.
sucks because the NIK collection is freakin fabulous. Especially Color Effects.
It work's...
It still works for me with Lightroom 6 and also it works with Photoshop Elements although I don't use Elements very much. I have to thank Ed for introducing me to it.
I will probably stay with this for now as I have no intention of using a subscription service.
Didn’t work for me in the new photoshop. Very disappointed they no longer support it with the upgrades.
thank you for the concise explanation. I recently updated my CC apps and was a bit confused with what I was seeing. I'll definitely be sticking with using the classic versions of the different apps.
Time to find an alternative to lightroom now? Nice move Adobe.
Morgen Johannessen Affinity Photo is a good alternative and it's yours when you buy it.
As a photo enthusiast who loves Lightroom but hates using external hard drives, Lightroom CC seems perfect for me.
So the new Lightroom CC is now the inferior Windows Store App, and more expensive. LOL
hahahaha. funny comparison.
Thanks for the lengthy review & I'll go for classic for sure!
And all you if you will go with LR CC then you making life for all us more expensive. Also I would suggest to stay with old version and not buy the new one CC which is taking money's from us. They making money machine not the tool for photography.
I see your frustration but they are building the software we all want to use so its kind of there choice. they have made something we love. as humans we just get stuck in our ways.
Thanks very much for clearly describing the differences between these products. Good there is someone out there with the knowledge and familiarization with the products - it woiuld have taken me days to figure out. I am taking your advice on this and stacking with the "classic" for the time being.
6:36m to say:
- Lightroom CC is a new product where all your content is in the cloud. It's expensive and not ready.
- Lightroom Classic CC is just a new update of Lightroom. Take this one.
Stop speaking like your audience is stupid.
Nothing could be as simply and clearly explained as you did my dear friend! Thanks a lot! Keep rocking! 😀👍
thanks Ed :) until they fix a problem that began with ACR 9.12.1 (which is still present in LR Classic and PS with v10.0) without suggesting a pointless workaround i won't be updating
forums.adobe.com/thread/2388755
This is so true. Adobe still miss some of the little things that people want. Lets hope for faster updates from now on.
Nice. I got every details of the difference of these two LR thanks your clear explanation.
adobe, the king of ripoff.
I would say they are the master of many many many other things. They have been vital in building and shaping the current creative climate for sure. just a little more listening would be great I think. I am still a supporter of Lightroom Classic though. Still a great product.
Thank you for this video, I downloaded both of them thinking I needed to have both and you have helped me determine that I only want Lightroom CC and I'll store all my photos on an external hard drive so that I can move between my iMac and my MacBook Pro. Thanks again!!
Thanks bro finally someone who isn't posting malware or fake stuff, you deserve my subscribe!
I'm glad I found you, nice breakdown between the 2 products... Cheers!
Thanks so much for your explanation. Now I understand he differences between both.
Great explanation. I'm definitely going back to Lr Classic, as I don't have all the features I'm used to work with. Thanks bro.
Storage is one issue, but what about upload/download speed? How long does it take to transfer a set of files to and from the cloud?
Current work flow would be a quick cull in camera, then upload shots to a lightroom catalogue for first review. Move through images, tagging the shots for first edit. Then, depending on client, share small versions for second review, followed by full edit of the final selection.
How does the new Lightroom CC Change this?
There is now an upload that takes place before the first review. Then all of the downloads during editing (It would make sense for LR to download a local copy for editing and then upload the edit sequence, rather than upload the full edited image). Then sharing a collection with a client. This may be possile direct from the cloud, but may require an local export so that images can be emailed, messaged or shared. Then its final editing (more downloads) and then a final export to send to printer/website/client/social media.
Lots of data traffic there. How long does each download take, and what is the cost of all that traffic?
In the office, we get 100MB/s to the net, and some countries have 1000MB/s, but the cloud service may be hosted in another country. You may have fast access to the net, but that does not guarantee fast access to the cloud service. That adds time. If you are office based ... there is minimal gain for the cost of slowing your workflow.
What about in the field? Well, here, cloud storage is helpful .. .buuut .... that assumes that you have coverage, and access to 4G is basically nowhere outside major cities and remote mine sites. (4G near iron ore, gold mines and gas plants is a thing down here!) Then there is the cost of all that data traffic.
Down here in Oztralia, 1000GB of traffic in the office costs me $80 per month or "unlimited" for $99 per month. For a SIM card in a phone or tablet, $99 per month gets me only 30GB of traffic (that's up and down added together - total traffic)
So if you generate more than 360GB of images per year then you are exceeding your mobile data cap, and that does not include emails, music web surfing etc.
I cant see the benefit of slowing down workflow in the office or adding ridiculous costs in the field. I don't think the infrastructure is there to support what Lightroom CC could be.
Maybe it's different in the good ol' US of A, but here, while Lightroom CC sounds great in principle ... it seems ahead if its time for the currently available infrastructure.
Thank you, great explained. I'll go for the lightroom classic
This was extremely helpful! You just answered questions that I have had for over a year. Now I need to decide to stay with Lightroom CC or go to Lightroom Classic. Thank you!
Very useful, to the point and well presented. it makes a huge difference to have someone really get to the point and explain things clearly and back up that idea.
You are one of the clearest teachers I have ever encountered. Awesome!!!
You can store your files locally with the new Lightroom. You'll backup the files on Adobe Servers and have them on your computer.
you can but then you are paying for your local file storage and then the Cloud storage from adobe. so you will end up paying for everything twice. makes no sense.
Explained in a simple straight forward fashion 10/10 ...
Thank you very much for this explanation. It's interesting that this information isn't readily findable on Adobe's website while you can watch a video with colours, music and very little actual detail.
I know. its amazing how poorly they explain this and how they really messed up the branding of two of there biggest products.
Absolutely agree, pricing is a problem, I create 256GB per day or more, just wonder how long will it take to upload that to their cloud? I can copy them to my NAS via thunderbolt within 15mins and import to LR in the next 5 minutes. Current I can just about upload 2-30gb to google drive in each hour, is Adobe realistic to believe they have the bandwidth to handle the normal workflow?
Agreed. Storage in the cloud would be too expensive and too slow.
People complaining about the monthly solution are so stuck in the 2000s and have absolutely no clue about why the monthly solution is the way to go without any hesitation and is not only about the business model. Technology has evolved and having to pay every x years for a new version of a software just does not make sense at all anymore. If some companies still offer other solution is because they either 1. don't have the technology 2. are kind enough to please people stuck in the past. If you think the point 2 will last, forget about it. And for all the haters who will come and comment "buhuhu this is bullshit this is just about making money" I reiterate: this is not only about a business model. This is about technology in the first place. If it was not the case then companies would have started doing in in the 90s already. If you don't get it, at least deal with it, you have no choice (not talking about the morons who are using these tools for business purposes but cracking the softwares).
Lightroom CC allows you to store on your local hard drive too under preferences.
Very thorough. Thx... now I know the difference. (Keeps seeing adverts utilizing an edit toolbar I've never seen before. Must be for LR CC for tablet and/or phone).
I guess you explained the difference much better than Adobe guys.
Thanks
Thanks Ed! Excellent and balanced review of both products. Definitely helped me decide how to approach them.
It currently says for the "Photography" "Lightroom" plan, at only $9.99/mo lists: "1 TB of cloud storage" is included.
The new minimal version of CC looks even harder to use, despite being more focused on the cloud and streamed to mobile phones and tablets. I would have preferred optimization. Classic CC any day of the week!