Why Focus ST Over New Civic Si
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
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After reviewing the new Civic Si in my previous video I felt the need to explain why you should choose the Focus ST over a Civic Si. In my next video I will talk about why Civic Si over Focus ST. Let me know what your reason are in the comments below!
2017 Honda Civic Si
2016 Ford Focus ST
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If you think a stock FoST is slow you're going to hate the Si.
Charger, Corona, La Familia ! Facts I own a 2020 si it is slow.
Their all slow stock until you start modding them and once you mod them gti and si seems to have more availability then the st.
One thing I can't stand is from a decent distance, the newer ST's and normal Focus look similar in the front...
lol yea I sometimes see a focus sedan behind me and think its a hatch focus
Yeah I bought a 2014 for that reason
That’s my biggest problem with the civic, can’t tell unless you see the badge. The ST’s nice cause you can tell from the running lights and typically they’ll have a wider stance
Yeah Steeda clutch spring is fantastic. Highly recommend and super easy install! Makes driving in traffic way better also.
Dan DiMaggio will look this up! Thanks for the recommendation I was JUST thinking of how to make my ST better in 1
Thumb up from a 10th gen si owner!
Love the clutch feel, power and sound of a ST, though I prefer the way my SI corners better.
Come April, my 2015 ST3 will be 4 years old. Never an issue. Love the car. I've done some pretty nice upgrades that have really enhanced the experience. I'll be keeping this car for the long haul, as long as she still enjoys me driving her. Did I mention I also have a 2006 Focus ST? She has 101,000 miles on her and has been a great car.
Thomas Whitmore what was your favorite upgrade so far?
@@chrisd933 I would say my Intercooler. In regards to my suspension, H&R Springs and FSWERKS Sway Bars. The Cobb Accessport is a Revelation, with a proper Tune. I have many other things I've done, but those are just a few.
Thomas Whitmore It’s funny you say that, I own a completely stock ST 1 I live in South Florida and I’m really thinking about an intercooler to be my first upgrade. What brand did you go with?
@@chrisd933 I'm a big Supporter of FSWERKS, so I went with their Intercooler. Its well made and very Reasonable in Price.
@@chrisd933 www.fswerks.com/collections/engine/products/fswerks-intercooler-ford-focus-st-2013-2018
Old videos but I bought a 2017 focus ST ST1 in black. Added some rear window vents, a turbo smart BOV, a green air filter, and red mud flaps. So far I haven't found many things I don't like besides black is hard to keep clean. I live in NY and just got a foot of snow.....thing handled it like a champ even if I didn't want to drive it in the winter. The ST is a great car so far. I do have a leak in the weather guard from the hatch that the dealer is going to fix other than that....no problems
Yea man it was a great car for me. Had no real issues with it and the handling was amazing
@@Gjeebs I was just about to ask long term how is it? Have you had to replace anything big and how many miles when you finally sold it?
mazdaspeed 3 driver here. I used to have an accord, i love honda and civics but i prefer the old naturally aspirated ones. The old honda engines are amazing
K20z3 was amazing
For like 20 bucks, you should try the steeda clutch assist spring and make a video out of it and let us know if it is something other st owners should check out. You could give it away after the video also
Let's just get him to 100k so one of us can get his Focus ST
I agree but I remember him saying he might give the st away he wasn’t sure 🤷♂️
Just putting this out there for those considering both ST and SI vehicles: The 205hp rating of the Civic Si is measured at the wheels. For some odd reason Honda chose to use that rating instead of doing it like all other companies and using crank HP, which is always 20-30% higher, and not make that readily available knowledge. This means on a dyno, the Civic Si is actually quite close to the Focus ST in terms of power ratings. Both vehicles are great in their own ways, its just down to what you are needing in a daily driver.
Yeah 4 months ago i was getting one or the other. You can get a ST 1 for 22 grand out the door price/looks/power takes the win. If they made a si hatchback i might reconsider.
I own a 2020 coupe SI. the only thing the ST has over the SI is the horse power, the 2020 si comes standard with a lsd, smart cruise control, lane departure sensing, auto breaking, adjustable suspension, the gas mileage is day and night compared. Weight is wrong on the civic 2700 coupe 2800 four door.
The last Honda si that I liked was the 2001 after that I never cared. the focus st/rs every time I’m driving my focus and I see a 2018 mustang gt I say to myself I should have gotten a mustang
dieself450fx4 I feel you man
Just ordered a mountune rmm and a Ford performance exhaust can't wait
Got a steeda clutch spring a month ago, PUSH AND I MEAN PUSH the clutch in before popping out the spring, the shaft that hold the spring splintered into two, waited for that part to come in. To me the spring feel a little bit better finding the gear but there was no major difference
any other cheap mods people would rec for my st2? been 6 months with it. only changed air filter and muf delete. also love honda but i see too many SI out there. more rare to see an ST
Raul Monteon intercooler upgrade, summer is coming and these get heat soaked quick
Granted I missed the word cheap the first time some Intercoolers are 350 shipped
I agree I see a lot of si’s all round my area and little to no st’s
Sweet. Pumped for this video. Got my large tropical sprite, and my Hawaiian style BBQ from mo’ bettahs. So hyped for this video
I bought an si a few months ago. Can’t wait for the si over the st video
Nice! What year?
Went with the 17 with 10,000 miles
You make a lot of good points! There were quite a few reasons that I picked my ST over the competition. You should check out my video about it and let me know what you think!
-Devin
The civic si looks more sportier than the focus st
I put hoonigan stickers on but definitely don't think I'm Ken Block lmao.
Si is going to last much longer. can’t say that the ST is going to make it to 200K miles plus. Also the Si is not going to depreciate as bad as the ST. My neighbor just got a 2016 for 11K. Nuts.
Not going to argue the Honda will last a very long time but I had a ford escort (before the focus) that went 285k miles original motor and trans when I sold it it still ran fine. After that long I deserved a new car. If you leave the st stock drive it right and do your maintenance it would last 200k. As long as some one didn’t hit redline 10 times a day miss shifts and over rev the piss out of it.
That 2016 probably has a salvage title. I’d say about half the used STs in my area are salvage titles.
Dan Elbert yes it is rebuilt. Because people rally them, and the torque steer. In my area no joke over 80% are salvage/rebuilt. That’s what scares me about the ST. Even the fiesta. Most of them have rebuilt titles
Kekistani Refugee I know the 2.3 have had a lot of issues. But the 2.0 is a closed deck and The stock block (with forged pistons and rods) made 770 WHP before failing.
Link all the blown st motors you can find
@Gjeebs Im looking to buy a used 2017 St St3 with 37xxx do you think it’s risky buying used? Is there anything I should be looking for.. any info is welcome
It's a great motor for sure.
I play guitar/bass and will say those wire cutters look very nice out of that box :) haha
Hahahaha that’s awesome
Hi I got a new fiesta st a week or so ago traded my mk3 focus st in for it ... I personally think the focus is a better car ... I'm hoping I get used to the fiesta st... time will tell
That my friend, that little 4 banger is a top PREDATOR. Yes properly tuned it'll slice many muscle cars, including some high sporty boys. I personally think it's a great option, stock yes less HP over ST but if you want it as a daily it'll be fuel economy smart. And it's a car that will definitely will hold its value on the long run.
I was all for the ford ST based on the reviews and the hype about the power etc but...... I finally saw one in person and the looks of it was nothing really exciting about it and it looked tiny compared to the SI, also I heard that ford was gonna discontinue them so I figure might as well and pass and get an SI, so far I love the looks and handling of the SI just my 2 cents.
Discontinuation is even more reason to buy, holds its value better
@@robreetoIt’s a ford, it will never hold its value unless it’s a RS. A high mileage Si will have better resale value than a low mileage ST
At 19, what do you think would be a good option to finance, a 2011 mustang GT or 2016 focus st?
2004 Honda fit
I would do a 2016 ST. Better technology, better looking IMO, more agile and lively body etc. I just think it a much better car compared to a 2011 Mustang
St
Insurance would love for a young guy to have a mustang
As a Mustang GT owner of over 30 years here and an ST3 owner of four years. I own them both. I would get the Focus ST. The car is just SO much fun and it’s also a lot newer than a 2011 car which is a eight year old car at this point. That 2011 better be cheap. Like way under $10K cheap. What’s the mileage on each??
50 a month? Hard pass
I've been looking between an si and an st for a first manual vehicle, would an st be difficult to learn with? To my understanding si wouldn't be very hard
They are both very easy. You won’t have issues
So it's basically whichever vehicle is comfier for me
One thing I hate about the ST is their interior feels cheap and their seat have a weird incline that makes it hard to step on the pedals, besides that I think they look like the hottest hatch
i wish i lived by you so you review my FBO 2011 Mazdaspeed 3 :(
Humm ST over an Si.... WAIT!!!, It's like trading in US Dollars over Mexican Pesos (no harm intended) ST is way superior. Yes I recon,. Hondas are good cars but never over an ST. He'll no!
Kekistani Refugee the resale value of a Porsche 911 can drop substantially. Does that make the civic a better car?
running The ST isnt a Porsche either and costs the same or more then an Si depending on package, so yes resale value matters, more so because people usually move up to something better after these cars, and I'm sure youd appreciate more money on a trade in or sale lol.
Kevin Osorio my 2018 st new was cheaper then a new si by about 6k. If you’re trying to make money I would get into real estate. new cars will all lose money
Kevin Osorio and by the way a new Porsche 911 owner can take a 30k loss on day one. They still sell.
@@chrisd933 No shit, it's a rich status car, the reason it loses value so much is two fold, no one wants one after it's out of warranty and theres usually more drastic differences between model years.
I still dunno what this has to do with two 24k cars and how one ends up holding its value better lol.
EF, Eg, Ek, Cb7, s2000, and FA5 where the best chassis Honda had. Ep3 was garbage. 2012+ Civic Si 👎. The ST is a better car. If I wanted a smaller displacement engine, I,d rather buy a Fiesta ST than a new Si. Cheaper, weighs less, easy to squeeze out power.
Yet still they have similar 0-60 times 🤔
thats the LSD for sure. try a 20 roll ;)
@@brandonr2188 or better tires rmm and traction bar the Si is toast
When stock theyre similar. But the ST is so cheap and easy to tune, majority of STs on the road have at least an air filter and a stage one tune, thatsba 60ft/lb tq increase
Any 2018 SI owners get their car OTD new under 20K? I was able to get an st1 with optional $600 paint code tax title tag delivery for 20 even with 3.9 apr
That’s funny because 2 Honda dealers have called me a dozen times begging me to buy an si. But once I drove both I knew the st was my car it was fun the way it sits stock. No tune no aftermarket clutch to handle the 1.5L power lol. I haven’t done a thing to my st. I saved money up front and I’ll save money on mods to get the Honda just to where the st is stock. You can hate I’m not saying Honda is this or that you can spew whatever you want. Hope you find some love one day ✌️
Sergio Aguirre those numbers are similar to focus st #s with similar mods but higher torque.
Sergio Aguirre I did the math for you cause I know you like bench racing.
catless dp 350
K tuner 650
Clutch 450 (if you do your own labor)
Custom e30 tune 200
Total $1650 in mods
(No intake)
On a car that already cost 5500 more then the st.
So that’s a total of 6150 dollars more to spend on a gen x civic si to equal the focus st output.
Do you know what 6150 dollars in an st could do? Of course you don’t care big turbo, lsd, fbo etc. but for the last fucking time it’s a daily
Sounds like the smart buy for sure 👍
Sergio Aguirre exactly instead of spending fucking 30 grand on a 1.5 L civic si to make 285 lmfao there’s a lot of better ways to spend your money
Sergio Aguirre Sergio Aguirre you’re crazy bro an rs is 33-35k new. I love how you swing from the nuts of the FEW real men who are running these times like your a track god or have any say in how those guys tuned their cars, and you have no track or any videos of your car 🤣🤣🤣 what kind of shit mobile are you driving?
You fake as fuck I just dragged a gen x si on the highway there everywhere and slow as fuck. I think the Toyota Corolla s is faster
Gamer tag ? Forza?
Gjeebs
Insurance is cheaper ;)
On which one
Showing the interior and exterior while telling about it, as opposed to watching your face the ENTIRE TIME, is always an added bonus when giving vehicle reviews. Ego? Narcissism? Lol!!! Lighten up, slick... only a viewer's opinion.
Request? Can we ACTUALLY SEE the vehicles' features while you are describing/reviewing them? Doesn't that seem a bit logical? Maybe? Just a bit?
Nevertheless, thanks for the opinion.
New Civic is ugly, it's a fact! ijs
Fact? Nah that's an opinion
The ford ST is just a copy of the Honda EP3
Steevnb * with 100 more horsepower 140 lb ft torque and without that gay af shifter
Ripping and running yeah not bad for a N/A engine that was built more the 16 years ago , at least we don’t need to be replacing internals every 20,000 miles not to mention the devaluation the ford ST has . For the years it’s been out
Steevnb * yeah that’s the only thing I gotta change my internals every year but at least I’m not jacking off my shifter 😂
Ripping and running 😂😂 that is because the car is based off euro/honda to be honest I don’t mind cause I can shift faster it is only six inches away from steering wheel so it is a good shifter if you run track ;) still turns heads tho
Steevnb * I’m a fan of any si and older eg, ek civics. I had a prelude si back in the day. I appreciate a cheap boosted Honda as much as any guy. Love the engines and the light weight but so many older Honda’s today are clapped or not for sale and in my area very likely to be stolen.
Would actually like to see an ep3 and a fost on a track together
Your logic is trivial with non useful facts......Immature observations......compare them for worth in 5 years..the focus may be gone..Mustang Motor. Tic..tic...trash....the f150. Their last hope. Lol