DC HATES And Disrespects The Flash
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- čas přidán 11. 04. 2024
- The Flash is one of the most prominent characters in DC Comics, serving as one of the founders of the Justice League and being one of the most popular superheroes. Adaptations have boosted the character's popularity, such as the CW's "The Flash" TV show, the DCEU under Zack Snyder, the DCAU, and many others. Unfortunately, some of these adaptations tend to disrespect or neglect Barry Allen's character in some way. Many portrayals render the character one-dimensional, notably in recent adaptations like the Injustice games and "Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League." The latter, the latest title in the Batman Arkham series, features evil versions of Superman and shows Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, and Green Lantern being mind-controlled by Brainiac. Additionally, animations like the "Tomorrowverse" and "Crisis on Infinite Earths" primarily utilize The Flash for multiverse and time travel storylines, similar to how the DCAMU used him in "Flashpoint." We can only hope James Gunn's DCU reboot will shed new light on the character.
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Flash: "I'm the Fastest Man Alive."
Also Flash when he fails to catch/stop a random bad guy: "I'm just not fast enough."
It’s amazing how (specifically) in the CW show, there’s always someone faster than the fastest man alive
@@leorigg2992it’s always mfs who don’t have super speed too. He couldn’t even catch a MOTORBIKE
@user-to4zl8wf2n the show was such an embarrassment
Bro villains can go around the corner and when flash goes around the corner they disappear. How TF can you run at the speed of light and lose them
@Achieme all of them have teleportation powers lol
This channel made me realize how a production company/Comics underutilize a lot of incredible characters
Then overutilize the ones that don’t need to be
Well they do whatever brings them that bag & most money is brought in by people who actually don’t enjoy comics. That’s why Batman is everywhere. At this point he is more of a pop cultural icon than a superhero.
@@limbojones9202 true
especially the DC trinity, like man, they're not just their A tier heroes, they've been the whole world's most known and beloved heroes since ever, and the only thing that's been done for them in the past years is the tarnishing of their reputation.
@@gfilmer7150like harley and the suicide squad
Petition for your next DC Hates and Disrespects video to be on Martian Manhunter. Poor guy got kicked out of being a founding member of the League in favour of Cyborg, a literal Teen Titan.
I guess they wanted to show color instead of having a black person be green
@@Kaylosteez😭💀
They already had race swapped Martian Manhunter from white to black in his human form too. So it makes even less sense.
@@fm1668
Wait John Jones used to be white? I thought J'onn's human form was always black
@@fm1668It doesn't matter if he's white or black🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
“We are the Flash” is the reason why this show died. Barry wasn’t even The Flash half the time because they tried to juggle so many characters
I personally don't really see the issue with it. When you can run as fast as him, you'd need a squad like his to better understand his abilities.
@@CagedPhoenixThe1st The issue is people were tuning in to see Barry Allen run around and stop crime as the Flash. Half of the time Barry wasn’t even the main character of the episodes
@@_moegreen5770 for a show to center around one character for an hour long block, is kinda tough. I think it's nice when it's showcased, that you can't do everything on your own.
@@_moegreen5770 i didnt care about that I cared about Barry turning into a jock and then not doing his job as a csi
It's a literal crime that they had Jeffrey Dean Morgan casted as Thomas Wayne...
And he never got to play Flashpoint Batman...
WTF WB!?
Nah Zoom was different levels of COLD. In early CW flash imagine getting your ass beat and then your OP parades your body around to the city you're supposed to protect as a "IS THIS YOUR KING" moment absolute savagery😂
Zoom gave Barry crippling backshots then dragged him on a walk of shame to his homies. Bro was moving straight DEVIOUS
bro did a world tour with his body 😂
Have him that meek mill treatment
I hate how the only story that's ever being told with the Flash is either something involving the multiverse or timetravel with him also being used as an easy universe reboot button. Seriously, I would kill for a Flash movie that would actually showcase Barry or Wally or whoever actually protecting Central City!
Imagine something like Heat or Point Break where Flash is going after The Rogues who are a simple set of bank robbers
@pedanticcat9479
But having Flash protect Central City is boring. Ever since Avengers, everything has to have over the top bombastic steaks, unless you're Batman apparently.
@@DemonicRemption just sounds like you haven’t read much Flash comics
@@ronathan02
While it is true that I haven't read a Flash comic since I was like 4, I was being sarcastic and poking fun as executive mandates. Because that's how it feels, as every superhero movie after Avengers has to have some huge bombastic threat because executives think that simple low level steaks are boring. When in reality as it is now, it'd be a breath of fresh air.
For real. Just a dude that runs fast, stopping a guy that can jump out of mirrors. That’s all I ask
It’s crazy to me how Flash’s main villains are a guy with a ice gun, and his buddy with a flamethrower yet every recent version only uses flash as the continuity maguffin
It’s not a ice gun
@@Darwin-sama what is it then?
@@Silver_Spectreit's a cold gun, it stops speedsters
The CW was the worst offender IMO. 9 seasons full of episodes of Barry being too stupid to use his powers properly. And funny thing, here in Brazil there is a take that they just forgot to cut (or just didnt care enough) in our dub of the show, with our Barry voice actor saying how shitty the dialogue in that scene is. And ... i cant say that he is wrong. 😂😂😂
Lmfao
Really? They forgot to cut that out?
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp in Dragon Age Origins game, there are plenty of cases when they forgot to cut out out of character lines in Russian dub.
Sometimes, it feels like they wanted to borrow a "Flash is very reliant of the Team" from Mark Waid's The Flash, but they did such a bad job doing that.
@@baligong3592 of course they did a poor job. It's the CW
Hey a little known fact a CZcamsr named Godzilla Mendoza went on Twitter and asked a bunch of people if Captain boomerang would do anything like that and somebody showed a comic scene where flash had died and one of the other villains tried to take off his mask and boomerang yells at him to respect the dead
Depends on the writer, the Boomerang from the original Suicide Squad run would absolutely do that. Very often he's characterised as someone with no moral scruples who unfortunately always manages to survive. I think a scene like what they did could work if they played more into that idea of the whole team hating Boomerang throughout the story but being stuck with him, that'd require some actual dynamic between the team though and we all know that's not and never was an option here
What did he do in that scene? I didn't get it
@@santiagodiaz3358he unzipped his pants and was going to piss on flash’s body. And according to the other members, he has a very big….you know what
Nah most versions of Digger wouldn't be above doing that to Flash
You gotta do one for my boy Martian Manhunter. He's been sitting high and dry for the longest time. There's so much lore and so many villains with untapped potential that can/could be talked about.
He’s been teased TWICE in Zack’s universe but we got nothing still
@@user-to4zl8wf2nHopefully we do get him in James Gunn's DCU
He was in supergirl and I know you guys hate CW but he was pretty enjoyable in that
damn i havent seen him in so long i had to remember what he even looked like🤦🏽♂️😂😂
@@zzirfamo24 Nah, the problem with that is that he was in Supergirl...
I ain't shitting on the show, Im saying he need his own shit. I get the live action movies cause they cost so much, but even the animated movies keep focusing on teh same shit... Batman, Superman, JL.
There's 52 Superman (animated) movies, 187 Batman movies, and like 2 GL movies, 2 WW movies, and even the Flash movie is actually a JL movie.
Hell, Justice League Dark has more movies than most of the actual JL solo member movies outside of the big three. Also, I guess they do step out a little bit. I dunno, I just want a Hawkgirl & Hawkman movie, a Manhunter movie, a proper Flash movie, and an Aquaman movie that makes him look like a badass like he did in the JL 2000s cartoon.
Sorry, minirant over
I swear WB just hates DC characters, especially in the DCEU. Diana is a r@pist in WW84, Aquaman got drunk and fell into a dirty puddle in Flash, Batman was humiliated in JL, Superman is a violent and cold asshole in BvS.
I genuinely think Polka dot man and Peacemaker might be the only characters who came out of the DCEU in a better state than before they were introduced
@@rennythespaceguy7285 facts
Since when was Diana a r@pist
Wtf ? Who the hell diana r#ped ? I don't remember nothing from that shitty movie
That Superman comment is a straight up lie
Ok, let's just say it, DC hates everyone who isn't Batman, Harley and maybe John Constantine
They shot Batman in face and continue to write him as a psychopath. They don't like him that much.
Tbh Batman gets disrespected and misrepresented a lot too. They just put him in everything cause they know he makes the most money
@@Artemus973 It pisses me off because he legit is one of the greatest characters in fiction. Modern writers these days butcher the character for the sake of social commentary and it's not even good commentary. Like why should I care about the criminals Batman kicks the shit out of when they SA and murder people on the reg. Especially when Gotham has such deep levels of political corruption that even with Bruce Wayne's deep pockets, it seems that it is a Herculean effort to even make a minor impact on crime. He also still manages to have compassion for even his greatest enemies. He is such an awesome hero with terrible writers.
This clearly shows that you don't read comics and you don't know what you're talking about
@@karimdavis7065 Thing is, i do read comics, even the obscure shit. I meant in adaptations
"Fastest man alive. What a fucking joke."
Homelander
-🐐
That whole scene was violation 😂
Ezra Miller Flash wasn't acting like Wally West at least as The Flash but Bart Allen.
Why are you disrespecting Bart like that 😂
@@spaceman5017 Aren't we disrespecting Wally West when we compare Ezra Miller?
Finally. That's what I've been saying since he first debuted. He comes off way more as Bart Allen to me than Wally.
@@anomaly395and he’s not supposed to be either
Except Bart was never a dweeb. He was manic and ADD, but in action. He wouldn’t ask what the deal with Brunch is. He would jump off a cliff without thinking about how to land. He was leap before you look.
Dc hates almost every character they have nowadays.
Plz james gunn save DC
I really hope that he can
james gunn would write this game twice if he could
@@elcalabozodelandroide2 we haven't even seen his Cinematic Universe
@@paatagigolashvili9551 we have seen use superman
And we know he wouldnt mind making the justice the butt of the joke
@@elcalabozodelandroide2 not actual movie,but regardless i like cast and i have hopes,high hopes
I completely understand your point. That whole being dependent on a team is the same thing as ruining Batman in the comics. Batman is a super genius polymathic intellectual first and legendary grandmaster-level one-man army warrior second. All he needs is Alfred and a Robin to humanize him. Anything else is unnecessary and unneeded as it nerfs him to validate their membership. With that being said what threat can you write for him that isn't a speedster? The only Flash villain to get consistent appearances is Captain Boomerang a regular Australian thief with a Boomerang. He needs a main villain like Obito from Naruto. He becomes intangible and Flash can't touch him as he can transport Flash into another dimension but also is a former MARSOC Raider who could defeat him in combat.
I can see where you're coming from about the flash but I'm going to have to disagree with you about the Bat family being unneeded and unnecessary. There are a lot of good stories involving them like no man's land and batman inc. a lot of the time they add a lot of liveliness to Gotham and batman in General characters like Barbara, Cassandra, tim, Jason, Cassie , Helena , and lessie thompkins help explore different aspects of his character some very interesting story lines and interaction that can be really fun to read. Also I feel like it also shows how Bruce is willing to open up and make a new family from the one he's lost all those years about in the alley
@@esiasfrost2306 the robins and maybe Cassandra Cain I'm okay with but not anyone else. What is the point of having 4 robins past and present, Barbara, Spoiler, Batwoman, Ghostmaker, Harley Quinn in some cases for some reason, Signal, and Azrael to name a few if nothing is changed? Ghostmaker, Azrael, and Harley are the only ones not trained by him. Because they were trained by the Walking Encyclopedia of Warfare/Espionage and Scientific Knowledge in Bruce Wayne they're at the top of the line both as warriors and intellectuals on the planet with for the most part Mansa Musa level money behind them for funding and still nothing changes. One of the problems is the fact that they are almost always in Gotham but these massive city-shaking events keep happening back to back. City of Bane, Joker War, Fear State, and Gotham War just to name some. They even have Duke Thomas Signal the metahuman genius polymathic ninja trained by Batman fighting crime in Daylight and nothing changes. These issues would make some sense if it was Ra’s Al Ghul and the LOS or some massive Occult threat but no it's criminals. Lastly, because they're so many members he is no longer needed to be fighting crime as he can now be Bruce Wayne financing things in Gotham full-time. They need to evolve in some fashion for Batman as he's clearly stagnating with the same old grounded-in-reality takes on film and suffering from relying on the repeated Joker cycle and from having too much that it's now a crutch.
I think his main villain should be a teleporter like Shimazaki from Mob Psycho.
Make the villain with this powerset and the flash has a Reverse Flash level menace of an opponent.
@@FriendlyBatDoom be glad bat gets consistent development, while Spiderman writer will do everything to preserve status quo
@@johnfelix503 That is just stupid.
Flash can move faster than thought. He can quite literally walk the entire planet before teleportation character will have a neuron sparking in their brain… let alone formulating a semblance of a thought to use their powers
It's funny, cause most of the issues for Flash can be solved by not having him faster than Time itself.
I blame CW for constantly showing The Flash as some plot device to Time Travel, instead of treating him like an actual character.
The Flash IS NOT even the only one to time travel, most DC characters you can think of can time travel, yet Flash is treated as if the only thing special about him is that.
If your speedster is not on that level, they are useless.
And if they are on that level, they are Dr. Manhattan
@@kingol4801
Makes no sense, because you do realise a Speedster running and dropping a suitcase at you at 100MPH will put you 6 feet underground or comatose, right?
Speedsters can quickly create a Tornado by running at 200MPH and kicking dust, dirt, and sand off the ground.
Considering planes do it at 500MPH While being a giant piece of Metal. It'll take a Speedster a lot less to create a Vortex with just their hand.
There's also a Difference between Combat Speed, Running Speed, and Reflex/Agility.
All of what I mentioned will make a Speedsters still feel powerful, yet understandably still susceptible to Normal Attacks like Gunfire or a Supervillain fighting back. Speedsters do NOT need to be faster than Time, It's dumb to make them so.
Fast enough for a superhuman to react to?
@@CKER-cl8in
Depends on what you mean by Superhuman.
Ex: you're already Considered Superhuman if you can lift someone, like Batman (6,2", 240lbs) , over your head with only 1 of your arms... Which is a feat pretty common feat amongst Heroes.
One of the problems I see with how dc use Barry Allen is that they seem to only use him/have a major or leading role whenever the story is about multiverse or rebooting the timeline. Outside of the CW show (for the most part) Barry seems to be the star whenever DC needs to reboot their universe. With flashpoint being the biggest example of this.
And the funny thing about it is, Flashpoint was originally never meant to be the key for dc to reboot into the New52. It was supposed to be a simple Flash story, with having Barry coming to terms with the fact his origins and world around him have changed since he was dead, because those who made not know, up until Crisis on Infinite Earths, Barry’s mom was still alive, the change with having Reverse Flash killing his mother wasn’t part of Barry’s origin until 2009 by Geoff Johns, when Barry was brought back.
And thing is, if you ignore it for being a way to reboot the DC universe, Flashpoint is a good flash story, but the problem is that DC only sees it as an escape goat to reboot their universe.
Speedsters without limitations are always getting hoe'd out because of how broken they are. If you're gonna make a speedster character that can do all kinda things, make it so he can only do it in short bursts or other limitations like he can't phase through matter or time travel.
Like my speedster character, the Speedstress. She can't phase through solid matter. When she vibrates at the same frequency that Barry uses to phase, she acts more like a power saw than a ghost. And Speedstress could time travel, but only to the past. She'd have to wait for the future. And while she can go back to the past, she can't change the past because the universe of Verse-617861 is a concrete timeline that operates on Lost's time travel rule of whatever happened happened, so a future Speedstress would have already appeared before she time-travels, and whatever she tries in the past, she'd end up doing what her future self already did in the present, making her time travel practically useless other than to show up on time to something she's late to, and even that is not worth it as her birthday would change because going months in the past make her months older so her original date of birth won't be a good indicator of when she gets a year older anymore, and going back years means she would be years older. And even if she just goes back an hour earlier, she can't do that too much because they add up and throw off her birthday. That is a good reason she wouldn't time travel that much. Not because of any grandfather parodoxes or butterfly ripple effects that are IMPOSSIBLE in a concrete timeline but because of how it would make her birthday confusing.
Either that or give him an equally broken villain. One of his main villains should be a teleporter like Shimazaki from Mob Psycho without the limitation of being blind.
Now the Flash has a Reverse Flash level menace of a villain.
@@johnfelix503 The Speedstress' arch enemy is her son from the future, Speedman. He's the reason I gave Speedstress the ability to time-travel, because if her son has inherited her powers and time travelled, she must have the ability to time travel too. Speedsters could go back in time by going faster than time to run in Negative Time. However, as they could only go backwards in time with this method, Speedman is trapped in the past when his mother was a freshman in high school. And he couldn't change the past, so he had to act like his mother's greatest foe.
And another villain the Speedstress would face is Coin Man. He flips a coin to determine all of his decisions. And since Speedstress doesn't want to get in trouble for arresting or fighting an innocent man who didn't do anything illegal, she has to wait for his coin toss to make him do a crime. She always makes sure her opponent makes the first move. But As long as Coin Man is at a bank or somewhere he could hurt someone, Speedstress has to watch him. So yeah, Coin Man really tests her patience and was the reason she was late for school.
@@SeanWheeler100 I like your creativity buddy. This has some Back to the Future vibes but with superpowers this time lol.
I recommend you watch Filmento's videos if you're in the process of creating a plot for these characters. Check out the ones on Plot, Protagonist and Villains this should give a good foundation.
@@SeanWheeler100 By the way be careful with this time travel system it's pretty easy to have plotholes in it. I recommend a tv show called Dark from Netflix that was able to pull this off with little to no plotholes.
I was introduced to flash thanks to superman TAS, he wore red (my favorite color) with the lightning bolt symbol on his chest and was as fast/faster than superman. I was hooked. mained him in justice league task force fighting game on the super nintendo, loved Wally as him in justice league tas, enjoyed him in mk vs dc, injustice 1 and 2, i was so disappointed when i heard that one flash game by bottle rocket got canceled, and i think it was all downhill for him from there....
Downhill for everyone not named or associated with B-Man.
“The Great Brain Robbery” in JL:TAS shows off Flash’s powers and demeanor so well. When Luthor is making Flash’s body create all manner of unstable events and someone comments on their surprise and fear Green Lantern speaks about how that is why Flash doesn’t do it
Sadly that Flash is a bad adaptation.
@@mayotango1317 which one
@@EclipseHedgehog The animated JLU. Is so cringe compared to the Mark Waid Wally West.
It's been said before, but the amount of praise the writers gave to wonder woman while disrespecting the rest of the Justice league is so weird. This is our first time meeting this version of DIana and she gets more love than Batman, who we actually know. I completely get the love for the character because she's part of the trinity, but it felt like a fan that hates everything DC related but her wrote it
@InevitableOption-ic2vx It has nothing to do with that when characters like waller are seen as unlikeable, it's Wonder Woman and the absolute worship the writers have for her (I still love the character and her importance though)
@InevitableOption-ic2vx fair enough, don't wanna make it come off as though I hate wonder woman either or that she doesn't deserve that kind of praise, but when you get characters like Lex Luthor (the evil one at that) saying people should be like her, it gets weird lol
And they made Wonder Woman into a jerk who doesn't trust the Suicide Squad. Yet the Squad like her more than the Flash who saved them twice before he got brainwashed. Talk about character shilling.
We need more captain atom, plastic man, meta metamorpho, creeper, fire, ice, vixen, the question, martian manhunter, mr terrific, booster gold, star girl, blue beetle and all the other underutilized characters that you have like mr majestic, the authority, icon, hardware and static. We need more of them. I can't be the only fan. Please DC hire me as your CEO I can make this right. It's not hard to be a business man.
@InevitableOption-ic2vx well you know what i'm all in for that. We don't need to introduce brand new characters. What we need to bring existing characters that don't often get the spot light, have some recognition.
The Flash can't have shit no more if it isn't some universe ending event or some alternate earth or timey wimey bullshit. I want a flash film where he's protecting Central City from his rogues gallery.
At least the good news Wally west my boy is back to being the main flash In the comics which that makes me so happy.
4:58 Don't do Wally dirty like that.
I think you Should definitely Make one about Deathstroke
*Like, he is probably one of the most disrespected charactacters by DC, & I'm talking REALLY DISRESPECTED, Black Canary, War Machine & Ben Reily Levels of Disrespected & Under-utilized*
Don't forget the allegations of deathstroke.
@@jonathanathor117
1. No longer Canon
2. Spider-Man s*ld his daughter to Mefisto(One More Day), Iron Man & Black Panther M*rder people to presume their Money(Marville), Red Hood made fun of a r*pe victim(Green Arrow Vol.3)
This type of moments are unfurtunately pretty common in Manstream Comicbook media, the best thing we can do about it is just ignoring them since they're fiction
I’ve been under the impression DC has been sidelining other assassins to utilize Deathstroke more but if what you say is true, then that’s absolutely fucking sad.
@@ArcTrooperRod-269 we all hated those moments. Remember that when iron became a fed and cloned Thor from his skin cells just to use it to kill another superhero. Man civil war was a story. Or that time iron man was made a bitch by doctor octopus in fear itself one shot side story. Yeah I feel that pain.
Thank god the mcu put some respect on iron man's name
@@gfilmer7150 like, they Use him, but no properly, pretty much Like Iron Man in modern Marvel Media, He's just there, but we barely see their lore & Side characters(Notice how in avengers assemble Tony appears in ALL EPISODES, yet we never saw Pepper, Rhodey, Mandarin or Witney).
Most of the times we only see Slade as a one off Villain, but his family barely gets any mention, litterally aside from Knights & Dragons and Arrow, most Deathstroke appereances outside of comics left aside His family(Rose, Jericho, Billy, Addie, etc.)
Honestly I've grown tired of the overuse of the Flashpoint or just any time/alternate universe hopping from Flash media/entertainment.
There's been enough of it and it's getting really old, it's not the only interesting Flash story in existence. How is it that Flash is the only hero that never has a movie where he's actually facing a villain from his rogues gallery except Reverse Flash? Spider-man, Batman, Superman, Hulk, Iron man, Thor, Captain America... all the names I've dropped had a movie with one of their villains whilst only really focusing on the hero vs villain. With the Reverse Flash he gets tied with the Flashpoint and taunts Barry.
Yo this character is like 60 yo, does he have any story? Nah, he has flashpoint. From 2015.
They should've just taken some of the story elements and casting choices from the show and made them into various movies
I would've rather had a good Flash movie, then 9 crappy seasons of a Flash show
Seasons 1-3 was good but everything else was either mid or trash
@JonathanBrown623 But just take elements from the show and put them into movies, and it would be better. Less time wasted. No reliance on villain of the week. An actual sense of conclusion to the story, instead of it just going on and on forever.
@@JonathanBrown623 Season 1 was just average. Season 2 was just the same. Season 3 was predictable and boring. After that, it went downhill.
We did get a flash movie and it came out worse than the show😂😂💀
@zzirfamo24 that's because the whole Snyderverse was doomed from the start. No leadership or goal. It just kept limping on. They made every stupid decision they could. The Flash movie made no sense and I'm glad it bombed. They'll always be behind the MCU because they have no clue how to build up a cinematic universe.
I saw this title and thought "Well, yeah, DC hates Wally. Or Dan Didio did. Everyone knows that. He hated Roy too." Then I figured out you were talking about Barry Allen.
This is how all CW shows are, I'm afraid. Berlanti is really bad as a showrunner.
2:00 Here's where I have to draw a line. Unlike "We are Robin", saying we are the Flash makes less sense because, well, frankly, the Flash can do things we can't simply learn.
3:53 And now I'm thinking of Ezra Miller's weird Flash cult.
Flash in the comics: can bend the laws of physics utilizing the speed force in almost every way, can create solid constructs with energy, leader of the flash family, very intelligent, can predict outcome in a matter of seconds.
Flash in films: completely nerfed, not fast enough, makes stupid decisions, never uses his scientific knowledge, takes advice from non speedsters like cisco, iris, Caitlin joe etc and hardly has any team ups with the flash family. Warner bros definitely has something against the flash💯
9:41 WAIT WAIT WAIT ¡WAIT!
*Flash can dodge Batman & move a bullet, yet batman can just grab him & punch him 2 seconds later?*
This game is a TRAVESTI 🤢🤮
You should do marvel hates and disrespects spider-man
Batman's explosives only damaged the suit not Doomsday himself
*_"THERE'S NOWHERE TO RUN!!!!!!!!!"_*
*(Smash Bros Theme)*
The Flash, Nightwing, Green Arrow and Aqua-man are always getting disrespect…
"The justice league are clones"
I know about the leaks but pointing this out. If braniac can clone the league and their equipment this quickly then why not outfit an army with the disrupter and stop the squad from moving or better yet why not have braniac use his instant win button as established right after the squad some how kills superman
To this day, Zoom's initial beating of Barry before dragging his thrashed body around Central City to the police station, the media station (newspaper if I remember correctly) and back to S.T.A.R. Labs before crippling him was just brutal and IMO the worst beating he ever received in that show...
When zoom first showed up he gave Barry that 10 piece combo no biscuit
Quicksilver running faster than bullets and redirecting them.
Also quicksilver: Gets gunned down by regular bullets with no caveat.
You pretty much explained my issue with speedsters within 50 seconds. Super speed is such a broken ability it's not funny.
There were many times where villains (who can run at normal speed may i remind you) runs around the corner and when flash goes around the corner to catch them they disappear all of a sudden. There was a point where flash said he checked all over the city which is cap AF.
The same issue is prevalent in the comics
I grew up on the Justice League Animated show and Flash was literally the first superhero I was exposed to and there was shockingly low amount of Flash in media ever since the show turned into JLU.
There's just something profoundly cool about a person that is fast enough to catch bullets and practically stop time. I really wish there's more Flash and its a shame that DC just defaults to the Trinity whenever they hit a rut
That Flash is a joke, a insult to the Mark Waid Flash.
@@mayotango1317 Which Flash? JLU Flash?
@@jonlam855 Yes, is a clown. The Mark Waid Flash is better.
@@mayotango1317 Yeah, even the writers admitted that they wrote Wally off a lot of episodes bc they didn't know how to write a speedster, they also nerfed his speed a lot. I wouldn't necessarily say that he's a clown tho his personality itself tends to fluctuate depending on the episode
People who don't see the massive disrespect toward Wonder Woman, Cleary only have surface familiarity with the Amazon. Meaning they probably only saw the DCEU version and that was it. WW and Superman are literally the two most powerful DC characters.She doesn't need K to deal with him. And worst of all, they picked the generic DCEU version rather than her 85 year old classic self. She has not even been given her iconic suit here. She came off marginally better but that bar is effin low af.
When it comes to power scaling, I feel like you could do both.
All you’d have to do is place consequences for the flash doing the insane speed feats and that force him to return to “base” speed.
I feel like there vaguely is a weakness he has already, I remember wally always needing food in the animated Justice League, idk why they don't just ramp that up and use it better or something 😭 it would be so easy
17:52 I love when they follow the plot of the comics, rather than deviate from it.
I how you weren't implying that quicksilver was an example of this, they established that his speed is equal to that of a bullets, not faster
CW had done Godspeed dirty. Very dirty. Godspeed is a better character in the comics. That’s why I say before CW do more harm than help.
Agree about Zack Snyder’s Flash. He does act more like a kid/teenager. I remember people compare Ben Atfleck and him with MCU Iron Man and Spider Man.
5:37 Do you mean Rick Famuyiwa the “former” director of Flash movie? He said he planned Eboard Thawne in the movie. But since Famuyiwa left during production, Thawne was replaced by Dark Flash aka Future Flashpoint Barry.
So…. Both road would be terrible.
Like why do flashpoint and introduce Thawne in first and only live action flash movie? We only got Captain boomerang but no other flash villains.
Well you say Harley admires Wonder Woman. You already show Harley wants smash Wonder Woman. As you already show the clip in 10:38.
Imagine if Captain Boomerang flirts with Wonder Woman. Yeah that won’t go well, if people saw that.
11:38 We should talk about Toy-man. This Toy-man is literally a kid. Who is a fan and admires the justice league. He thought he use his technology to help to un-brainwash the justice league. But no, he ended up helping suicide squad to kill the justice league. Even the post game, Toy-man was in fact sad and crying the fact he help suicide squad kill the justice league. I feel bad for this Toy-Man he not even a villain just kid who wants to save the justice league. I don’t how he with technology not know Amanda Waller is a bad guy.
16:35 Yeah Flash’s Death in the Injustice Movie is so dumb and it wouldn’t work. The Flash is immune to toxins because his *Super Speed Metabolism*
18:27 And Wally West and His Cousin Wallace(you know him as new 52 Wally) only got Cameos in DC animated movie universe.
20:26 Since The Chad, Jeremy Adams, wrote Flash comics i believe the best future movie adaptation is his *Flash: One Minute War.* It focus on the Flash Family fighting super speed Aliens. All the other DC Heroes are frozen in time.
One Minute War can work.
As rushed as the Crisis animated movie was, I thought that was the best portrayal of Barry Allen.
I’ve always hated how the Flash was fast enough to dodge or catch bullets but if he tripped for 2 secs a random ass person would always get away.
It would definitely be nice to get some better portrayals of the Flash, and some more original uses beyond time/multiverse shenanigans; but I do have to say, as far as inconsistent power-scaling goes, that's not a problem that originated in the adaptations (or recently), he's a superhero, that's just part of the source material. I don't think that across the entirety of DC and Marvel comics that there's been a single super hero or villain appearing for more than a handful of issues that has EVER had even the SLIGHTEST bit of consistency in their power levels; superhero comics just flat out don't care about that, and never have (and likely never will).
That's not to say that writers can't do a better job than they are; adaptations do have the opportunity to condense and refine the chaos of the originals into something a little more streamlined, and if they aren't going to make the details consistent, they could at least learn to make it not as obvious.
I really wish S Squad would’ve taken the “halo reach” approach to the story. The squad desperately trying to finish their mission while getting effortlessly picked off, narrowly accomplishing the job with the help of the last non-corrupted members of the league would’ve been so damn fire. And would’ve been some interesting character growth for traditional villains realizing they may have wasted their lives hurting people, or maybe just doubling down showing they truly are irredeemable would’ve been cool too. Just wasted potential 😞
It’s hard to make an engaging story when a character can get rid of pretty much any villain he faces ☠️
CW flash losing to any villain that isn't a speedster is just wrong, someone calc'ed that he was 400,000x the speed of light, (based on the fact he made a nuclear explosion last hours) how is this man losing to normal thugs 😭
Even if he was just as fast as lightning or light, he should blitz any non speedster character
That happen in the cómics, because the Rogues are the best villains.
Honestly this might be a hot take but, I like how The Flash was done in the Crisis On Infinite Earths movie. It feels like what the 2023 Flash movie wanted to be (a multiverse film that does a good job at giving us a look at Barry's life).
Also, a video suggestion: DC needs to start using Martian Manhunter better, that man has been SEVERALLY underutilized
When they gave the Flash a tragic backstory for his origins it was the actual start to the downfall of the Flash Character. In this case the Barry Allen Flash character.
Why? That makes Barry a better character.
1:21 it's crazy to my how no one batted an eye at the flash breakdancing but she-hulk twerking for 20 seconds got the whole world outraged even though the flash scene is arguably worse
Don’t lie to yourself please
@@Realcordy I'm not lying
The Flash death in the Injustice movie REALLY pissed me off, but what made it worse is that his death didn't affect the film at all. No one even mentioned him after he died. You could've cut out his death and the film would've been practically the same. WTF, writers?
I thought Batwoman, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter were the most disrespected DC characters ever… you managed to prove me wrong in a matter of 20 minutes
Yea, I kinda gave up on Flash during the second half of Season 4. OH BOY that was utter trash and I was like "... I miss Season 3 now" and thank god I haven't return. When I saw that clip with the lightsaber battle, I was more convinced watching KAMEN RIDER than that.
18:48 What's even dumber about this scene is that Justice League Vs Teen Titans established that Flash learned the Infinite Mass Punch. What was stopping him from IM Uppercutting Doomsday into the exosphere?
The plot threads in Season 3 were also hard to watch just as much as the plot threads in the others seasons, except for the first two seasons.
Spider-man writers: finally! A worthy hater opponents!
its not JUST flash, his villain's get this same treatment.
"the rouges" [ie captain boomerangs crew] in the comics ARE WAY different from what you see in games like ssktjl and the flash cw series, they don't even kill people in the comics not even cops and DEFINTLY NOT A speedster, because it just draws attention, from people like supes.
CW Zoom deserves all the glaze.
I just don't get it... they have our money before these movies are even made and they keep screwing up. Over 80 years worth of source material and they screwed up. WTF?!?!?
19:29 I’d like to see rebirth adapted
I had no idea CWs Flash was part of the "Arrow Verse" .
Considering Flash 's success i though it would be called the Flash Verse.
This is absolutely amazing keep up the great work can’t wait to see more 🔥!
If Kill the Justice league is truly canon, they should never use the characters again. They clearly don’t know how to anyways.
5:40 tbf flashpoint do be kind of ass though. Especially with the fact that new 52 happen with just hard reboot everything for no real justification other than a dumb business decision. The 2 best elements was flashpoint batman, superman, cyborg and the last fight with flash vs barry allen.
To me, the flash never being able to have a stand alone story that doesn’t involve time travel, is the equivalence of how every major event involving Spider-Man, must include the multiverse. Like I swear, we will never get a comic run, game, or movie about Spider-Man that’s more smaller scale and personal. And we will never get a flash story that’s just about him saving the day from like, mirror master or something. And of course, without a dumb team helping him every step of the way.
What a missed opportunity to add a clip of Madvocate’s “Don’tstoptotalkdon’tstoptotalkdon’tstoptotalkdon’tstoptotalk”.
I kept thinking you didn’t understand Captain Cold and his Cold gun. Which shoots cold that reaches absolute zero temperatures but then I saw your ending. Where you literally show artwork of the Rogues during Jeremy Adams run and then I realized that I probably just didn’t understand what you were trying to convey.
I want to see Captain Cold as a cyborg. Explains how he can react to a speedster and Flash doesn't have to slow down.
I can’t get over how the last-ever official Arrowverse season was a bad final season of a once decent show that cares more about simping for a badly written side character and less about giving the characters an exciting, definitive and respectful ending.
This is an unpopular opinion but Sam Lane's season 2 finale speech was the worst moment of the entire show. The dialogue was forced and felt less like a Superman and Lois moment and more like a Warner Bros moment. Because they needed a way to confirm that the show was NEVER part of the Arrowverse. They could’ve just made all of the show’s changes part of the Earth Prime changes. Even if you hate the Arrowverse, leading the fans on with Diggle cameos and mentioning Oliver and the Crisis for two straight seasons was a dick move that disrespects the fans' intelligence. Which is exactly what Warner Bros does, especially with DC fans.
And even at the time, I knew the retcon was gonna be pointless. Which proved me right because after the following season, it was announced to be cancelled after the next season!
Between the retcon and Legends of Tomorrow, the 3rd official Arrowverse show, getting cancelled on a fucking cliffhanger, just so they wouldn't have to pay for the sets anymore, the Arrowverse ends on one of its’ most pathetic notes.
The Arrowverse-scratch that-MOST DCTV shows in general deserved better management. And I can't think of a better way to give them an epic ending than by making another multiverse crossover! With better writing, VFX, etc! And then have it end with most of the shows retconned in the same universe, something many of the fans of these shows have always wanted. They could always bring back this universe in whichever project the same way the DCAU returns in a different project once in a while. The fans of all these shows want it, most of the actors of these shows want it, some of the writers of these shows want it. However, I won't be surprised if the writers/producers of S&L don't want it.
The CW shows were always going to go downhill due to lack of budget and their teen soap opera writing style
The problem with the flash as a serialized show is how do you make every episode interesting when Barry should never ever have issues against any villain that isn’t a speedster logically speaking. It makes no sense but there has to be conflict
Do you think Lucas Till or Will Poulter should be Barry Allen Flash in James Gunn DC projects in the DCU?
Honestly, you only need one thing to keep a speedster from being too OP: don't give them instantaneous reaction time. Let them run fast and fight fast, but make them stop from time to time in order to look around and reevaluate things. He blurs down the road, but then has to stop for a heartbeat at the intersection to turn and take off in a new direction. He can outrun bullets, but only if he sees the gun being aimed and can react to it. It keeps the excitement and thrill of speed, but stops them from being able to just win every fight instantly.
11:37 Something to note about the Flash fight is that they were using versions of the same device from Toy Man, which could have been upgraded to remove the manual activation weakness. However, dialogue from the Flash boss fight mentions that the device only prevents Barry from touching them at close range, and doesn't do anything to Flash if he doesn't get close.
Which means that this Flash was confirmed to moving at his normal speeds when he died to bullets that he was already established to be capable of dodging earlier into the game.
The WB seems to not understand the DC’s iconic stories require proper build up in establishing proper characters & context for the events.
i think the speedforce gadget the squad uses was modified by toy man like how he just attaches it to his arm when entering the haul of justice
CW show was "i am the fastest man alive"
>oh no i'm not the fastest man alive
>"run barry run"
>repeat every episode/arc
animated injustice - makes him unable to dodge a saw blade
suicide squad kill the rocksteady - plz let's ignore it's existence
movies - tone deaf and unable to understand that he can move so fast everything stops for him
it's like they know only about time travel and flashpoint paradox and that's what they use flash for ONLY
To be fair, I think the best onscreen version of the all the members of the justice league is justice league unlimited. That era was amazing. The writers understood how to make all the main members work. To name a few specific moments: Superman's world of cardboard speech is amazing, Batman is awesome in the episode with Ace, The Flash has that one great episode where the city holds a celebration in honor of him that four villains from his rogue's gallery try to crash during which we see just how much he cares about everyone, even some of the villains. That show was great.
17:48 Don't like their descisiom of killing Flash like that but I guess they didn't want him to turn back time.
6:14 Besides the CGI I don't think the cameos bad. It was kinda neat to see a bit of that one cancelled Superman movie idea and also the cameos from the older movie characters.
Flash is the Spider-man of DC💀
Love how the squad have gadgets that neutralize the speed force but guess what Boomerang’s still using to get around during the fight
the flash n the tommorowverse crisis was pretty good but this vid is spot on
To be fair the actual Death of Superman story arc was preceded by Doomsday beating the shit out of the Justice League also, with the heavy caveat that the League wasn't comprised of anything close to the A-team at the time.
Dude I forgot about that injustice death being reminded of that shit made me mad
That scene of him running up on doomsday with the mace was actually cool. He made doomsday press the block button 😂😂😂😂
I love the flash thanks to grant potrayal as the character and i hope we can get a flash game and that james gunn give grant another chance to show how perfectly casting him as a movie flash he is. Plus he can still be able to do other things and spend time with his family if he is just doing a movie
Ya they really should have this OP ability of speed be a driving force/part of one for the plot in practice. Similar to if batman dies, all known/unknown criminals rise up, they could do this for speedster who may have become arrogant and[/or] over reliant on such speed for when they loose their speed personally and when that info gets exposed to the public [ internal conflict i.e team, blackmailing spy, etc to externals like the populations of the hero OR their super associates' cities]. i.e the flash could be the only one Batman must trust to stay good, a hero and hence not really have any traditional plans against him if he turns. It could be made an increasing fear of the people and especially Batman that without the flash's speed that the whole world plunges into evil due to the OP man himself not being able to help in a seasoned world [ had plenty of world ending events etc].
Hence this could be an overarching plot thread enhanced by evil speedster and other powerful 'stuff'.
hehe a city with a speedster hero[es] would probably be one of the most desirable and fought over places to live [background tension?]
To be fair with the fear toxin, I imagine one of the biggest fears the flash has is being stuck in place or something like that, so similar to how the toxin manifests the fears of others it might’ve zeroed out Barry from using his speed
Thnx for the ace Vance clip 😂😂
You video is great and makes sense
Movie flash runs like he's doing interpretive dance.
Jeffrey Dean Morgan playing Batman Thomas Wayne in the flashpoint Universe would have been so freaking cool dude
4:13 I love how they see this man beat their speed based hero. And decide to shoot him.