The Milwaukee Cordless Rear Handle Circular Saw Is Finally Here! (FULL MILWAUKEE SAW REVIEW HERE!)
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- Today we are reviewing the much anticipated Milwaukee
M18 FUEL 18-Volt 7-1/4 in. Lithium-Ion Cordless Rear Handle Circular Saw Kit with 12.0 Ah Battery with Rapid Charger.
This saw Generates the Power of 15A Corded Circular Saws, Delivers up to 570 Cuts Per Charge and Cuts Faster than 15A Corded.
Designed for the professional carpenter, remodeler and general contractor, the M18 FUEL Rear Handle 7-1/4 in. Circular Saw from Milwaukee can Generate the Power of 15 Amp corded saws, cut faster than 15 Amp corded saws and delivers users up to 570 cuts per charge. The POWERSTATE Brushless Motor provides 5,800 RPM and higher speeds under load for corded cutting performance. REDLINK PLUS intelligence ensures maximum performance and protection from overload, overheating and over discharge. The M18 REDLITHIUM HIGH OUTPUT HD12.0 battery delivers unmatch run-time. An electric blade break, LED work light, all magnesium guards and shoe the saw will keep users productive and provide the durability to handle the toughest jobsite conditions. A multi-sized rafter hook allows the saw to be easily stored on different materials and gears that don't require oiling and maintenance means users can reduce down time and get jobs done faster.
POWERSTATE brushless motor: purposely built for the M18 FUEL rear handle 7-1/4 in. circular saw to generate the power and performance of a 15 Amp corded circular saw
REDLINK PLUS intelligence: ensures optimal performance and provides overload protection to prevent damage to the tool and battery during heavy applications while still maintaining compatibility across the entire M18 system
REDLITHIUM HIGH OUTPUT HD 12.0 battery pack: provides 50% more power and runs 50% cooler versus standard REDLITHIUM HD packs, superior pack construction provides the industry's best protection against jobsite conditions
Generates 15 Amp corded power
Cuts faster than 15 Amp corded
Up to 570 cuts per charge per charge
Electric blade brake
LED work light
No gear oiling required
Multi-size rafter hook
Magnesium shoe and guards
Includes: 2830-20 7-1/4 in. circular saw, blade, 1 M18 REDLITHIUM HIGH OUTPUT HD12.0 battery pack, M12 and M18 multi-voltage rapid charger, wrench and contractor bag
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Being primarily a trim and surface restoration guy? My other Milwaukee saws are all I need, but big thing here is to see how aggressively Milwaukee improves and competes.
While setting up my M18/M12 platform, I watched a lot of videos and Milwaukee listening to the people in the field shows up again and again and again. This tool is no exception. (I continue to be pleased that I chose the platform I did....everything just works well.)
This saw is really something!
I like not having the positive stop on circular saws because if I have to make an angle that’s very close to the positive lock say 43° it’s very difficult to keep it at that 43° without it sliding into that lock
Im with u on that aspect
really good point
Amateur carpenter here and this saw makes me feel like a professional. The worm drive is the real deal!
The Milwaukee isn't an actual work drive, but it is a geared drive and performs in a similar manner, hence the "worm drive style" designation. Like a worm drive, the blade is centred near the bottom of the saw, allowing for maximum blade depth, although unlike a worm drive, the motor is mounted transverse instead of longitudinally. Of course, the motor is much more compact than the older 120V brushed motors which were mounted longitudinally as to not make the saw too wide.
Man through the steel.. Damn, I love milwaukee
Like the blade guard.....doesn’t “catch” like some saws do on material. Another think I like is the smoothness of the Saw. It wants to go & chew up the material in front of it.....no lacking of power at all w/ that 12.0 battery👍🏻 My only real gripe, I guess, kinda wish had some saw stops on the bevel(along w/ tightening but/bolt....having some issues) & kinda is weird that they didn’t, a shame really(learned to like dust chute). Not a deal breaker; but would have made this Saw......oh, as near “perfect” as possible (since no tool “is” perfect, right😉). Thanks for the vid & showing us this; love your nail test.....wicked! Now just need those framing nailers released 😁, the next thing for my list....& the router😉
Cheers✌🏼
Next tool on the list, bought the other new saw with the blade right over 90 days ago... but it'll be nice to have both saws for beveling purposes and both having HD12.0 batteries. I love my Mag77 and glad to see Milwaukee go worm drive. Patiently waiting on a cordless self leveling rotary level from Milwaukee due to loyalty and I have a lot of Milwaukee batteries now.
So lucky to have that. I think I’m going to have to upgrade
Nice review. Definitely adding this to my quiver. Heard saw stop question. As a framer i don't have a use for stops. Reason being ive found most stops don't allow me easy access to less than or greater than 45 if I need it. Also these stops wear and if I have to adjust the table to hold true the stops are no longer accurate. That said a lot of preference is just habit. Thx again for no b.s. review.
Thanks for the feedback and comment watti!
I just purchased one today I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow I'm excited to see how it runs and I'mma put it to the test believe that
Oh you just saved the day bro. I been looking to grab one of these!! Haven't tried acme tools so gonna see if they got one
Acme is cool brother. You won't have any issues with them 👊
Great review!
Thank you
that is a very good-looking saw I can't wait to see them in stores and feel it for myself seal weight in the balance I'm just saw in my own hands
Yeah bro, it looks like it would weigh more than it actually does. Not bad at all really bro
Love this saw, it's well worth the coin
I have owned 3 different corded and 6 different cordless and none of them ever had positive stops on the bevel. I've never felt the need for them. The reason being it that unlike miter saws the vast majority of cutting done with a circular saw is at 90°.
I have the Makita 36V rear handle saw, and like you I never really thought about a positive stop, but I have to say after having it on this Makita it sure is nice. I think I'd miss it now that I've had it.
For me personally, I like not having detents or positive stops on the miter gauge. The reason for this is say your making 41* or 31* or 34* or 24* cuts or 20* cuts because the angle isn’t perfect on the 45* or 90* and it makes it so much easier to fine tune that bevel to exactly what you need it without those detents/positive stops possibly knocking you into preset detent of a 22.5 or 45* bevel for example instead of having the ability to micro adjust that bevel with a detentless miter/bevel. I don’t like some miter saws for that exact reason because their detent plate has notches that are far to large and knock you into a detent/preset positive stop instead of having the proper ability to make micro adjustments as needed. However I agree with you, the lock for the bevel should be redesigned and flawed for the simple fact it loosens the nut assembly
To easily instead of just the lever. I wish they could figure out a quick lock for it where it can lift or lock like the oscillating tools for example. Other than that, I love this saw and think it’s right up there with skillsaw worm drive cordless.
Thank you for your review.
You got it bro
The thing about the nut/lever coming lose shouldn't be a problem in regular use, since 99% tighten/untighten holding on to the lever, and not by flicking it to spin uncontrollable. IF it should still be an issie though, I'd see if I couldn't find a same thread longer bolt, get everything assembled, and then maybe smash it once or twice with a punch outside the action area, so it can't run off. As far as the positive stop goes, they need to be adjustable to be reliable, which not all are. Another downside is if you need cuts from 20 to 25 or 42 to 47 degrees outside 22.5 and 45, they usually tend to want to slip into the positive stops, which can be a pain. Positive stops are good when they work - when not, they best be gone. Not sure I totally agree they're missing. If it should be on there, it should both be adjustable as well as fully disengagable, so you could hit 45.5 no problem.
Thanks for the review! Are you able to give feedback on how it compares to the newer Skilsaws?
I'm in 110% agreement with you. The lack of a positive stop on the bevel gauge is a major dropping of pthe ball. It simply benefits Makita's saws and kits.
99% of these bevel gauges are not truly 100% accurate so I always measure the angle myself. Without the positive stop allows me precisely and infinitely adjust to any angle.
Great review
I agree the adjustment lever should be fixed
You're not being overly dramatic. The Makita rear handle has been out almost 3 years or more and the have a great repeatable bevel system. You can get back to any positive stop you're working with. I'm heavily invested in the M18 M12 and a few Ryobi tools. But I think I'm gonna be picking up the Makita over this one because I don't need the extra power if milwaukee has it. And this has been an issue with all their best circular saws. Moreover it's a great reason to get into the Makita line, so whichever has the best tool for my needs I'm covered. I'll have 2 of the top 3 manufacturers and a decent home owners set for the tools I don't use that much.
PS I almost broke down and got their trim router but the nps coverage showing the m18 compact router made me so thankful I didn't break. Thanks to my Ryobi plunge and trim router that still run flawlessly after over 2 years of abuse. Which is the main reason I got with milwaukee. Their tools take a beating… trust me.
Thanks for your nps info and another awesome demonstration video. 👍🏾
Thanks for the awesome Ivan!!!
Excellent review
Thanks RAILS!!!
I have one, and is the best for me guys. I love it.
I really do like this saw, if I was going to buy a saw this would definitely be it. It might be abit big but then again that's what you need at times.
NICE! Gotta grab one soon!
If you do, let me know how you like it buddy👊
great saw bro! Can't wait to get my hands on one to put it to the paces!
Wow, good catch on the bevel lock. Maybe just change the nut to a nut stop / lock. I might be calling it wrong but it's the one with a plastic inside the nut.
The bevel stop is not really a big issue. My corded skil worm drive doesn't have it. Would have been nice to have it just to see if it makes any difference.
That will be in milwaukee gen 2 model, LOL. ..
Can't wait for the tool duel.
Good job....
Thanks michael! I didn't think that many would care about the positive stop, but it was just strange to me that they didn't have it. I'll definitely try tour advice about the lock nut and see if it works bro
@@ToolReviewZone Dewalt has those positive stops you're describing on their rear handle cordless circular saw. Just sayin.
@@aj12271 yeah so does the makita 36v
@@ToolReviewZone not necessarily a deal breaker but Milwaukee could have done that. It's definitely a small convenience that makes adjusting bevel quicker. Hard to believe Milwaukee R&D team didn't have a Makita and Dewalt on site and see that.
@@aj12271 Yeah, same thing I though as well aj
Its a possibility that these new worm drive type cordless circular saws has their gearing set up differently to the sidewinder saws so they work like a wormdrive. Just a though.
I would prefer the positive stops on the bevel
As a retired 'professional' carpenter, I'm really trying to emphasize the slide locking issue described to myself, because I really want to retire the worm-drive.
And even though I use Milwaukee cordless, it's going to cost me $600.
But I only use a circular saw 6-10 time a year.
Then again, what the hell, we only have one life to enjoy, and I enjoy working easy.
I'm gonna have to think about this one.
Sure is a fancy saw.
Yeah I do like this saw Carl. Not my favorite, but definitely a great saw
Tool Review Zone what is your favorite?
Love the dewalt 60v
I just picked one up new from HD for $150, with tax. Batteries I had separate. It's way more tool than I need right now, but for that price, it seems like a good closet queen as I train up on a 6 & 1/2 saw for home projects.
Great video bro
The bag is sweet very nice
Bad ass, that thing RIPS!
Awesome for sure bro
If the Milwaukee was around when I bought the Dewalt, I would have bought the Milwaukee just because of the use other Milwaukee batteries that I have. IMO The biggest downfall of the FlexVolt is not being able to use a 5.0 in a pinch and I have to invest in another battery platform. Dewalt should come out with XR batteries that fit in all of their tools. Milwaukee did it! Makita did it with their use of 2 batteries! 👍🏻👍🏻
I love this video. I love this saw. I really wish they would include a plug option for the dust port though. Getting sawdust thrown in my face and upper torso gets a little annoying. A few improvements made and it could be the perfect saw on a gen 2 version.
Duct tape my friend.... Duct tape.
@@andrewwilson3876 🤣😂 right! Sometimes I do use that blue painters tape. Comes off cleaner. 👍
Bad ass saw bro!
Would you pick this or the dewalt wormdrive?
What was a more powerful saw you used?
Do you know how this compares to the DeWalt?
Did the tool or the battery get really hot after your testing?
As for the bevel adjustment, not having detents in there might be a benefit.
On some tools, if you're trying to get a weird specific angle that has to be dead-on, the detent will keep driving it off.
Personally, I prefer my tools to have stops that you can switch on and off and adjust.
However, I'd rather have no stops then having them always on, and that leads me to my last question.
From looking at your video it looks like the depth and the bevel adjustment are very flimsy I find that on cheap tools after a bunch of cuts
they'll loosen up and start sliding all over the place in the middle of your cut do you find this to be the case on yours?
Like if you push down on it does it start sliding and changing depth?
Hey awesome. I'll actually be posting a comparison video between this and the dewalt saw. Everything has been staying true while cutting. No issues so far with any movement, but I'll definitely get back to you if I notice any issues
@@ToolReviewZone Thanks.
Love it!!😊👌
I need to get a cordless saw, do you recommend this one. All my other cordless tools are Milwaukee
I said the very exact two things about this saw when I first handled it... WTF is with the bevel lock???? And... really no positive stops...
The other thing is why not a true worm drive?????
Thank you
And Thank you as well NVG
I never use the bevel, so it doesn’t matter to me
Love the finished video presentation. This saw is a beast. This saw matched with that blade is awesome. Cut right through them board with nails like butter. Very powerful. Look like a tough saw. How accurate is the 45 degree cuts? Few little fixes and it would be the perfect saw. Nice video 👍👍👍💪💪
What's up John!!! It made great cuts on every setting, no issues at all. If the bevel issue I mentioned in the vid didn't bother me so much, I'd say us a close to perfect saw bro
@@ToolReviewZone that's great. About 25 years ago when I did concrete construction in my early 20s we had a worm drive saw and I loved that thing. Corded though😁. I might have to wait for a black Friday deal to pick this one up.
I need that saw so bad.
Is this more powerful than the side winder saw they came out with last year or about the same ?
Great question. They are basically the same power wise. Both offer 5,800 RPM
It amazing
Thats crazy, what kinda blade are you using? Cutting metal like nothing
its the Diablo metal/wood blade. I have a full video just on it because of how awesome they are
Yes it. Is Dewalt stella is the number one kabooooooom
More impressed with the blade than anything. What is that blade called?
Diablo
Diablo are the BEST in my opinion!
I want a positive stop at 45°. That is the most common thing for carpenters. We unlock, flip till it stops, lock, and cut. I'm going to accidentally cut 53°now.
What blare are you using
Nice video , just wish that it came with a case , not a bag.
Positive stop would have been nice and should be in there. Would that stop me from buying it? No, I would still buy it .
I think everyone is basically saying the same thing. Thanks for the feedback Adam!
Can you use a 1.5 amp hour battery with this saw?
You can but it wouldn't last very long
Seems to me this is more of a test of the Diablo blade
Whats better a rear handle or the regular ? Im giving either as a gift and would like to know whats better
I like the rear handle myself. Better control and line of site. Just my opinion though
Oh My dad is left handed btw, does that matter? Thanks for answering so quick btw!
I am right handed and like my blades on the left because the line of sight is better. A lot of people like the blade on the right if left handed. That said, some like it the other way around. I would see if he has an old saw and look if the blade is on the right or left. If not able to find one, I would try a right sided blade. He can always return it for something else if he doesn't like it
Youre right, thanks for your help ! 😀
I use a skilsaw all day and when i come home i watch videos about skilsaw on my free time..... is something wrong with me?
Lmao, nope
Yes!
No there’s not lol
I may be late to the party but I will say that I appericate the fact that he used a smaller battery not many people will do that they put the tools in the best conditons for the tool to look good I know I ask myself what if I used a battery that might not be powerful what will happen like in a emergencty situation (not that a ciruclar saw will be in that moment ) or just like my other batteries are dead wil they give enough juice to cut some cuts so I really appericated that test personally
The super charger doesn’t speed up charging on 9.0 only high output batteries.
Na. I've spoken the the head engineer at the Milwaukee corporation in person. It absolutely does charge the 12.0
How did you cut a 45 then?
What blade has it got
Great video as always #TSBOC
Thanks bro!!!👊👊👊
How does it compare to the dewalt 60v?
Look for the full tool Duel/ comparison video in a few days
i have used a skill hd 77 in my day but cordless is a + too bad they still use a cord
Yeah, they need to get with the times already.
Other saw manufacturers if corded saws tell you the horse power of the saws motor. What is the horsepower of the new Milwaukee saw. Second, let's talk about the battery. How much of the batteries charge is lost per charge? These batteries are expensive, and unless I can rely on a battery to maintain its power over time it doesn't matter how good the tool is.
Lack of positive stops baffled me too. I have 2631-20. No stops either. By the way, NO ONE has a review on 2631-20 (non fuel model) w/ 5.0 battery. It's a great saw and it's on promo right now so a lot of people needing info,
Thanks for the info Jason!!!
What's the most powerful circular saw you've ever used?
Cut multiple layers of roofing shingles!
Hmmmm, I may need to try that!!!
I think I want one of those bad boys, but at 69 years old can't really justify spending that.
Same age me two love from England
I'm 71 and having a great tool that outlives me isn't a problem. Maybe whoever inherts it will think kindly of me when they use it.
Was the 4x4 moist?
Haha, so moist!!
I noticed you are unbiased on both, but what do you prefer Milwaukee or ridged?
I like them both for different things, but Milwaukee it the top dog out of the two. I do love the RIDGID LSA though
Class, tell me what please it the name of this disk, which saws on wood and steel ??
Diablo wood metal blade
i do like the look of this do you like it does it blow away the skill saw hd77 / mag77
Yeah bro, I don't like corded tools and dont really care for skill. I'll pick Milwaukee every time buddy
Positive stops are terrible to have. You would be relying on them to accurately measure that stop out I would rather have it loose and measure it out myself.
Did Mileaukee send that to you? How did you get it??
Milwaukee sent it
@@ToolReviewZone how many subscribers did you have before you got sponsors??
@@Impact-OG hey bro, send me an Instagram message or contact me at toolreviewzone@gmail.com I'll answer whatever you want broski
I thought the super charger would not charge the 9.0 any faster....
Not sure why it wouldn't? That being said... I haven't tried it yet so could be possible
Which one is better Milwaukee or skilsaw
Can't give you an honest opinion as I haven't tried the skilsaw, but Skil doesn't have anything other than that saw which the battery will work on. Not yet anyway
Positive stops don't belong on a worm drive circular saw. Skill is the standard and they have never put stops on their saws.
This isn't a true wormdrive
@@ToolReviewZone Fair enough, but it is patterned after the Skill 77 saws in almost every aspect.
@@flfl3969 yeah I'll agree with that. The Makita and dewalt have them which I really like, but seems that a lot of people don't really care about the stops
@@ToolReviewZone For rough framing, stops would be a nuisance. Framers flip their saws mainly to 22.5 and 45 degree angles, unless they are building a conventional roof. They want speed and stops would slow them down.
Stuck between this and makita
3.0 OR LESSER BATTERY MIGHT NOT BE AS POWERFUL, YET LETS BE HONEST AND FEAR YOU'D DIDN'T REALLY EXPECT IT TO BE WITH THE DULL SAW BLADE EITHER DID YOU?
I had wasn't yelling with caps on its more my expression to remind you that when your testing a tool, keep the environment of all items and tooling to be as equal as possible.
OCD's everyone one of us watching your post of the new saw has one or more, for me it's not a deal breaker not to have a positive stop, but what is a deal breaker for me is when your going to test and review this saw or others in the future would you change your test tools approach to more real life situations! 1) Put that saw on the edge and rip a 45 cut down the edge of the 2x4 or 2x6 much like the framers going to have to out in the field or cut a few hip cuts in a of balance stance showing us that is well balanced enough to support our daily task as well as the power. how about the full days use, which probably equates to about one to two full hours of use in a 8 to 12 hour day.
Your review is good work, yet my OCD is the wrench on the bottom of the grip that's gone before the end of the day. best served with a lock point for the lat time I recall anything stay with my working saw if its not full attach it's not there by the end of the day.
The refafter clip is a real positive plus, plus, plus for my more today as a DYI CARPENTER, but even when I was framing hotels and custom homes it's important to have your tool ready and right where you left it on the job site.
Positive stop is no big deal for me. I've been dealing with Sidewinders all my life without positive stops now this is a worm drive and even my boss doesn't have any it's all good
Thanks for the feedback chip. I thought it may have been a bigger deal, but I guess many don't really care about the positive stops
chipshot442 It's not a worm drive.
Positive stops are not important in my very own particular case.
i wonder how a hd9.0 would... have 3 of those
I used them in it while testing it. They work awesome and last a long time. They are actually made for tools like this bro
@@ToolReviewZone thanks for the swift reply... i have three of them i got with my lawn tools... guess i don't need to shell out big bucks for "high output" batteries
How's the weight compared to the skill Mag77 ?
Great question. Skil is to good to send anything over this way, but the 77 is a bit lighter at 12.5lbs. It's also corded though too
That’s a nas like
Haha👊
You need positive stops? This isn't no miter saw
Have that sew the old cats laughed at me cuz they say it’s overpriced not enough powder won’t last all day . They see me doing all the cuts that are needed and and the battery is keeps up all day all well get right to cutting I laugh how the old cats have to drop cords first lol 😂
Are you doing a Milwaukee vs dewalt rear handle saw soon
Sure am! I'll be doing one for the 36 v Makita as well
@@ToolReviewZone make sure to use all same blade plesse
Is it just the video or is this saw really loud??
I had a shotgun mic right up on it, so that probably added the the sound in the video
I was let down you didn't push this saw. Makes me wonder why..
How didn't I push it? I was cutting through steel and wood with countless nails in it lol
@@ToolReviewZone Cutting through small steel pipes and nail embedded wood might test the durability of the blade but its not going to put the motor under heavy load like a long rip in stacked sheets or a full depth cut along a 4x4.
Hoping to see this saw against the 60v DeWalt on your channel!🤞
@@draytonPW definitely going to have that video up by Sunday of this week. I'll do some extra beat down with them
@@draytonPW I'll do the full run on a 4x4 with the dewalt and Milwaukee tool Duel for you
Pros do not use saws with positive stops.
Which saws had produced sparks that hit you in the chest? 😂🙍🏾😭
I was going to like and subscribe, but you made too big a dam deal about the bevel handle and no positive stops. Use the fucking Makita then! Jk great video bro keep up the goods 😉
Positive stops suck
To answer your question, when will Milwaukee bring out a rear handle saw. They have to wait until dewalt bring out the tools first so that they can reverse engineer them and copy.
That's what Chinese companies do. steal American Technology. I'll bet you 90% of Americans who buy Milwaukee never even knew Milwaukee is owned by a Chinese tech company. disgrace.
@@DoubleD72 i honestly couldnt give a shit my tools make my life easier and make me money tgey pay themselves off
Not a big deal for me
Makita still has the best looking saw