CHEAP WAY to Improve Your HiFi Audiophile Streaming! Pt.1
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- čas přidán 15. 12. 2022
- Want to get the best sound possible for your audiophile streaming audio for your hifi audio system?
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Here are the testing set-ups in the order I discuss in the video:
1) 3’ long Blue Jeans Cable (BJC) (amzn.to/3PBbOal) to winning TP link 8 port switch (amzn.to/3UYsk5q) to 15’ BJC (amzn.to/3uYOJou) to Rose 150b Streamer
2) 15’ BJC (amzn.to/3uYOJou) to TP link 8 port switch (amzn.to/3UYsk5q) to 3’ BJC (amzn.to/3PBbOal) to Rose 150b Streamer
3) 3’ BJC (amzn.to/3PBbOal) to PoE TP link 8 port switch (amzn.to/3BKgqp4) to 15’ BJC (amzn.to/3uYOJou) to TP link 8 port switch (amzn.to/3UYsk5q) to 3’ BJC (amzn.to/3PBbOal) to Rose 150b Streamer
4) 3’ BJC to TP link (SG105) 5 port switch to 15’ BJC (amzn.to/3uYOJou) to TP link 8 port switch (amzn.to/3UYsk5q) to 3’ BJC (amzn.to/3PBbOal) to Rose 150b Streamer
5) 3’ BJC (amzn.to/3PBbOal) to PoE TP link 8 port switch (amzn.to/3BKgqp4) to 15’ BJC (amzn.to/3uYOJou) to TP link 8 port switch (amzn.to/3UYsk5q) to 1 Meter Supra Cat 8 Cable to Rose 150b Streamer
6) 3’ BJC (amzn.to/3PBbOal) to PoE TP link 8 port switch (amzn.to/3BKgqp4) to 15’ BJC (amzn.to/3uYOJou) to TP link 8 port switch (amzn.to/3UYsk5q) plugged into AudioQuest 1200 Power Conditioner to 1 Meter Supra Cat 8 to Rose 150b Streamer
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A lot of time invested ….Fantastic job!
Thank you!
* * My Gear: * *
-- Klipsch La Scala Speakers: amzn.to/3kTrIl2
-- SVS Subwoofer: amzn.to/3kHfwDU
-- Power conditioner for the main system: amzn.to/3Y86i1R
-- Power conditioner that used to be for the main system, but is now used for all my Ethernet Switches and Subwoofer: amzn.to/3HB5Hzt
-- I use TWO of these switches: amzn.to/3RehXtP
-- I also have the two small D-Links plugged into this unit - it helps tame the brightness that will happen using just two of the smaller D-Links without this one: amzn.to/3Dnrbyo
-- Here are the cables I use between the switches: amzn.to/3DjWERW
-- Apple TV I use: amzn.to/3XOWFpe
-- WireWorld Ethernet Cable (per WW make sure to get the 2M version for best performance): amzn.to/3HE5SuZ
-- Neve Shelford Channel Strip: amzn.to/403ehiC
-- Here is a link to the laser measure I use: amzn.to/3Dmdgse
-- Computer used: amzn.to/3jb8qax
-- Empirical Labs Distressor: amzn.to/408T475
-- RME Fireface Audio Interface: amzn.to/3HhWdZs
-- Warm Audio WA-251: amzn.to/3RdzAdc
-- Warm Audio WA-47: amzn.to/3wDuiP2
-- Sennheiser Professional MKE 400 Directional On-Camera Shotgun Microphone for iPhone: amzn.to/3WN3kPw
-- RME D/A: amzn.to/3Y8cMhc
-- Sennheiser Professional MKE 600 Shotgun Microphone: amzn.to/3HdECSB
-- Lighting: amzn.to/3HfZngr
* * Links of My Gear: * *
-- Siltech Classic Legend Network Cable: www.monarch-systems.com/contact/
-- Waversa Ethernet cable and filters: www.kevalinaudio.com/copy-of-waversa-systems-inc
-- Paul Pang QUAD switch: Email me to purchase one. Price is $2100
-- Klipsch La Scala Speakers: amzn.to/3kTrIl2
-- SVS Subwoofer: amzn.to/3kHfwDU
-- Power conditioner for the main system: amzn.to/3Y86i1R
-- Power conditioner that used to be for the main system, but is now used for all my Ethernet Switches and Subwoofer: amzn.to/3HB5Hzt
-- I use TWO of these switches: amzn.to/3RehXtP
-- I also have the two small D-Links plugged into this unit - it helps tame the brightness that will happen using just two of the smaller D-Links without this one: amzn.to/3Dnrbyo
-- Here are the cables I use between the switches: amzn.to/3DjWERW
-- Apple TV I use: amzn.to/3XOWFpe
-- WireWorld Ethernet Cable (per WW make sure to get the 2M version for best performance): amzn.to/3HE5SuZ
-- Neve Shelford Channel Strip: amzn.to/403ehiC
-- Here is a link to the laser measure I use: amzn.to/3Dmdgse
-- Computer used: amzn.to/3jb8qax
-- Empirical Labs Distressor: amzn.to/408T475
-- RME Fireface Audio Interface: amzn.to/3HhWdZs
-- Warm Audio WA-251: amzn.to/3RdzAdc
-- Warm Audio WA-47: amzn.to/3wDuiP2
-- Sennheiser Professional MKE 400 Directional On-Camera Shotgun Microphone for iPhone: amzn.to/3WN3kPw
-- RME D/A: amzn.to/3Y8cMhc
-- Sennheiser Professional MKE 600 Shotgun Microphone: amzn.to/3HdECSB
-- Lighting: amzn.to/3HfZngr
Wow, I think the Holly Cole Trio recording must be one of the best I've heard in my life, it deservedly has the Qobuz award, and it's good that I discovered your channel, at least my gear passed the test of your songs...
Thanks for watching and hope you subscribed!
@@MichaelsHiFiAdventures Clear and bells activated (and not hissing)
As for the D-Link DGS-105 Switch, in Europe we always use it with a linear power supply, paying particular attention to the HiFi audio quality power cord and DC cable. In these conditions, the audio results are good, given its price. Thanks for your very interesting video :) Best regards from France.
Thank you for watching!
One big question,
does your router upstairs feeding everything have
Wi-Fi turned on? If so, this causes a lot of internal rf in your router that affects your Ethernet outputs..
Every piece of gear downstream will deal with this rf differently and make it sound different from each other. The differences we hear is the noise contamination that comes through the dac.
I find the Netgear GS105 with an IfI 12v Power Supply sounds fantastic. Not thin, not lifeless and better than straight out of the router. I'm in the US and the 105 is just a 5-port version of the GS108 you didn't like. But you MUST not use the supplied power supply - I found a couple of power supplies made a difference but the IfI made a huge difference. I'm running CAT6 into a SOtM SMS 200 ultra neo streamer into a Chord Hugo TT2.
Hi Paul - I tried different PS's with it as well and it just didn't work well in my system. Have you tried comparing it to the D-link versions I linked to?
Netgear GS108E is already proven to be awesome switch at maintaining port separation and noise limitation. With cables cat6a will probably suit all quality levels so long as not CCA...(not sure if cat6a attainable cert with cca).
Happy to have found your channel.... I need help... From where it comes in the wall, do I route telephone cable to the router right next to the streamer (10m) or do i put the router immediately at the wall?, what cable, one or two switches and which, which interconnect from the last switch to my Innuos Zenither MK3 streamer... Then USB to my DDC and DAC, it is the part I have least knowledge of.... Cannot wait for your next review, hope you will also discuss long telephone versus long wifi cables... Thank you!
Hi Bert - thank you for watching!
Are you in the USA? Let me know that way I can give you specifics and actual Amazon linkes on what I use if you are in the USA.
@@MichaelsHiFiAdventures Hi Michael, I am in good old England, beautiful Cotswolds (but cold!) Luckily we have Amazon too! Thx!
OK - results may be different for you as the ones I have tested are 120v and yours are 220v. The sound may be different with the different power supplies. HOWEVER, this is what I have found to be highly effective and very cost efficient (here are the links to the USA Amazon site and you can see if they have it on the UK site: I would use this cable (multiple times) to go from the wall to your router into the first switch, out of the first switch into the second switch and out of the second switch. (amzn.to/3hE3vOv). Use the 2' or 3' versions and keep them all by the wall. Then use a longer version to run to your streamer. The reason I recommend this cable is because each cable is tested and they send along a test sheet to prove it really is a Cat 6+ cable. Most of the cables claim to be but are not and are terrible cables. These sound pretty decent. If you can afford it, the Supra Cat 8 cables (Swiss made) are very good and will probably be less expensive for you than for me. Here it is $50 for 1 meter. If you can't afford that cable for them all, then use it to go from the third switch that will next to your streamer to go the 1 meter from the third switch to the streamer. I am about to test some new inexpensive switches tomorrow and can confirm for you then which are the winning switches that are under $50 USD each. I will tell you the BEST sound improvement will come from having two switches by the wall AND plugging them into a power conditioner. I like the Audio Quest 3 which is $299 USD. Doing the two switches at the wall into a power conditioner and one switch by your streamer will give you MUCH BETTER performance than spending $3,000 USD on just one switch - and you will have spent MUCH less money. I will respond tomorrow with the update on the switches for you.
@@MichaelsHiFiAdventures Wow, thank you! The supra 8 cables are OK for me. There are some very expensive switches like the Innuos, Phoenix Net. will you be trying it? Thank you so much for your help! Which part of the US are you in? I have a brother in California...
I am in Texas. I think the Supra cable is just "OK". They are a tiny step up from the Blue Jeans Cable and there is no difference between the cables if you are not running multiple switches. I thinks honestly the cable is overrated. I will be having reviews coming up with both more expensive Ethernet cables AND the hand made Paul Pang QUAD Switch ($2,000 USD). Hopefully other companies will want me to review their switches. Anything you can do to help share my vids would be greatly appreciated!
which subscription of Qobuz are you using ?
I'm starting a streaming home system mainly streaming tidal master and ,, well its ok.
Hi Scott, I have the highest level one which is lke $12/mo. I do NOT miss Tidal at all. I never felt Tidal did a good job of suggesting music to me. They always seemed to be focused on the music they wanted to promote to me, and not what my history shows I would like.
I've been using the TP-Link TL-SG108 for a while, with only 3 feet of blue jean CAT 6a cable from my Synology RT6600ax router to the unit. NO complaints from me. Thanks for the review.
The TP-Link was the second best. It's a decent unit. I did find the D-Link to be more open and smoother sounding. However that was on my system and could be different on yours. The Blue Jeans cable is the best low priced cable there is. It's a steal at that price point.
Here is the link to the INTRO video in the series which is the video prior to this one: czcams.com/video/dSprDvZq-bw/video.html
I’m curious, why use a switch at all? Why not run from the wall straight to the Rose?
Do you do hi-fi streaming? If so if you try it yoruself with a $30 switch it will provide you with a clear answer.
Some people swear by upgrading the included AC adapter to the $50 IFi one.
I tried them. If you plug into the wall outlet it helps. However when I plugged into a power conditioner instead of the wall I noticed no improvement.
@@MichaelsHiFiAdventures Thanks for info. I’m using a bluesound node connected to wifi. Not really sure if there’s any way to upgrade the sound.
@@bagelhunk There is. Do you use an ethernet cable to send the audio into your Blue Sound? If so watch my video here - it will give you MUCH better sound for $30: czcams.com/video/rh-FFgpi7JY/video.html
did you try the ifi ilan silencer? it's supposed to address these problems
Hi - I have found that no matter what I have in my system this combination of switches makes it much better.
Well, Internet Service Providers use random switches and random cables anyway. Of course, there are many ways of connecting clients to the Internet: fibre, DSL (telephone line), LTE, wireless...
I am digging your channel, watching from La Porte, Texas, Parts 1, 2, and 3 good stuff. Thanks for all the work and expense and for sharing your experiences. Keep doing what your doing; sub'd and likes on all the vids.
Thanks so much for watching Eric! Great to have a fellow Texas peep watching!
Thanks, but I guess no one is interested in ‘normal’ switches, but only in audiophile switches, like the EtherREGEN. I wish to know how something like that combines with, for example the iFi LAN icilencer.
If you watch the other videos I do on switches you'd know how they combine with audiophile switches. :)
Guys - *MOST* of the switches tested are in the ~$35 range. You do *NOT* need to spend a lot of money on switches to get great sound!
@P T Glad it was helpful! Check out the other videos I have on this an other topics. Thanks for watching!
@P T I'm not surprised. Remember - the more a unit does (like an AVR) the more compromises there are to put it all in one box at a certain price point. My congratulations to you for paying attention to the sound and being able to hear the differences!!
A hifi audio USB cable would beat both of those. But you'll need to try on your system and see if you notice a difference.
You need to try the Neotech pure OCC silver ethernet cable. Insane bargain! Great channel BTW! Keep up the good work ❤🎉!
Thanks! I always love finding great performance at a great price.
I just bought used Cisco Meraki MS220-24 ( 24 port + 4 port SFP) for 160$ shipped on eBay , I did not need any cloud configuration just plugged in cables that’s it . I don’t think you can get anything better for this price .
Sounds like you got a good deal! May I suggest you try the $99 D-link from Amazon so you can return it if you don't like it. I link to is on my newest video that is being uploaded now and linking the Cisco with the D-link will probably surprise you with how good it can be. It totally shocked me.
@@MichaelsHiFiAdventures sounds interesting, , I’ll check it out
Trust me - running two switches by the wall will make a big difference. Also try putting one by the wall and the other close to your streamer and see if there is a sound difference.
@@Pete.across.the.street I currently have three cascaded at the wall and through experimenting found which combo sounded the best. Definitely a cheap way to get great sound!
@@Pete.across.the.street , that seems to be the trend , I’m going to first try to isolate my Comcast modem uplink with fiber , a lot of ground noise is comming from xfinity , if I unplug my intenet uplink from cisco it sounds better ,
What is your current favorite ethernet cable at $50 or less?
Definitely the Blue Jeans Cable: amzn.to/4aoh61S
@@MichaelsHiFiAdventures not the Supra eh? About to install a switch into my streaming setup and going to start with just one switch. I have a 5v LHY LPS so trying to find a switch that runs on that voltage. Seems like Dlink and maybe TPLink are 5v. Leaning towards the Dlink as of now.
I found the Supra to be a bit too bright and tizzy sounding for my taste.
Audiophilia Nervosa
Great content! But you getting the thumbs up for your hard work.
Thank you!
From "There's no Such Thing as Digital: a Conversation With Charles Hansen, Gordon Rankin, and Steve Silberman" by Michael Lavorgna, AudioStream June 24, 2013.
Michael Lavorgna: It's common for people to envision and represent a digital signal as a series of 1s and 0s. As such, there's really no room for error, at least according to this binary theory. Is a digital signal simply a series of 1s and 0s?
Charlie Hansen: Unfortunately not. The "1"s and "0"s are just abstractions that are easy to think about. But in the real world, something real needs to represent those two abstract states. In modern digital electronics, we have almost universally chosen a voltage above a specific level (that varies from one "family" of electronic parts to another) to represent a "1" and a voltage below a different specific level (that again can vary) to represent a "0".
In the real world, those two voltages are not the same, so there is a "grey" zone between the "black" of the "0" and the "white" of the "1". Also, it takes time for the signal to change levels, and the time required to do so can depend on dozens (or even thousands) of other external factors.
All of the problems with digital are analog problems.
I'm sorry but you've been misled. The receiver will switch between the 0 and 1 state, there is no 'maybe'. If there is noise sufficient to change a bit, it will be detected and action taken to correct it. The whole set of networking protocols are about ensuring what is received is >exactly< what was sent. It is, if you like, a lossless system.
What is presented to the DAC will be exactly what was in the source file, and it doesn't matter where the source file is located or how it was transferred.
From the DAC onwards it is analogue and all the old understandings apply.
If your system can handle video, it can easily handle even a HD audio file.
@@acutube50 Sorry - but you are ill informed. Thanks for trying though.
@@MichaelsHiFiAdventures 40 years experience of working with, installing and programming networks ... yeah, what do I know?
Networks either deliver the goods or they fail. You may have seen it happen with Netflix when it goes horribly pixellated. The audio equivalent would be equally obvious, very, very unsubtle.
@@acutube50 Clearly not much. This guy DESIGNED them for Cisco and has a PhD. cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0660/6121/files/UpTone-J.Swenson_EtherREGEN_white_paper.pdf?v=1583429386
You mentioned Gigafoil Ethernet filter and Sotm Ethernet cables during your first video on the subject then never mentioned again….. a guess you weren’t pleased ?
I felt the Waversa filter (comparing to the entry level Waversa) was a much better performer than the GigaFoil and Sotm.
BUT - the Stealth Audio cables with collars beat them all (and are more expensive).
Thank you for sharing, watching your video about the benefits of finding the best mix between multiple switches, cables and eventually filters, opened a scenario that I had not considered. The Ethernet rabbit hole just got deeper. It would be very interesting to repeat the test with much more solid products like the PhoenixNet by Innuos the Muon, your Telegarnter M12 and Paul Pang to name some.
I’n about to receive a Taiko router+Switch and dc distributer, inspired by your videos I will play with other switches I have around along with the Taiko instead of Taiko only. Thanks again
The Innuos I tested was excellent, but was ultimately beat out by the Antipodes Audio. And the AA is less money. Message me through my FB page if you'd like more info.
I refer to the Innuous Ethernet switch. Will do
It's all very subjective and system, source and musical taste dependent.
And I state that repeatedly. I appreciate you pointing that out again.
Basically your paying for how long it will last with all the where after a long time the expensive product should win. But that is not true after covid. Now everything is made way cheaper