I've been telling people this for literally the last 4 years I've owned my Tesla. Last month I went to Florida to visit family and rented a Polestar electric car and experienced the same two issues...broken chargers or extremely expensive. I've told people it doesn't matter if someone builds the best electric car man has ever made, it's useless without a reliable charging network and who the hell wants to buy an ev when it costs as much OR MORE than gasoline?
Fantastic information. We live in BC and purchased a 2017 LEAF, knowing that it was a short range EV 130km approx. We charge at home 99% of the time and its fine for commuting. BUT if we go to Vancouver or outside the lower mainland, its a challenge. We've seen broken chargers, vandalized chargers, cards that don't activate chargers, apps that don't activate chargers, chargers that need to be restarted by calling a 1800#. We've got a stack of cards and apps just in case the charger we find needs a different card / app. and with pay by credit card at some chargers being a premium vs using their app and an account and a balance... It is doable, but what an extra cognitive load for non-Tesla owners? Tesla charging sounds like a dream. Plug in and walk away... Great!
The first thing I did when I placed my order for my Tesla was to install a Hubbell industrial grade receptacle in my garage. I purchased my Tesla Model Y LR a year ago last October and have only used Tesla remote charging one time and that was to make sure it worked and my credit card was set up properly. So far I haven't done much traveling and home charging has worked perfectly for me.🙂
Yes, Peter, charging anxiety has replaced range anxiety. It's outrageous that in this day and age the various charging networks force one to get an account with them using incompatible payment methods. At a minimum, these networks should be forced to allow payment by credit card as gas stations do.
You're completely correct! I occasionally use a CCS adaptor with my Tesla when out in the boonies....i've only had to use it a handful of times and since then the Tesla network has improved where I travel so I won't have to rely on it more. I've been using the BC Hydro fast chargers and they've at least all been workable albeit with an occasional phone call to their help number. I've always reached a live operator at least and they were able to remotely reset the charger to get it working each time but, yes, you're right about all the unnecessary hassles with paying and operation of the other chargers. We're just spoiled in the Tesla world
Your analysis is dead on!!! After 8 years with my Tesla Model S 70D I traded it in for a KIA EV. The car came with 1000 kWh of charging FREE at Electrify America locations. While I have a charger at my home, I decided to use EA free juice for a while during warmer weather. Unfortunately, our state only has ONE EA location (and 11 Tesla Supercharger locations). The EA location, as you explain is alway crowded, no matter the day of the week or time of day AND usually has at least one and sometimes two chargers OUT OF SERVICE. Further the 350 kW units often throttle charge speeds as though they are 150 Kw chargers. Of all the times I went to that location to charge, only once was I able to plug in and start charging without jumping through hoops. After many frustrating sessions, I'm back to charging at my home, using my own juice. By the way, those EA chargers were .48 cents per kWh (if I had to pay) .. my home electricity runs .15 cents per kWh. P.S. For health reasons, I no longer take long trips in my EV so I knew I would be charging at home 99% of the time, thus the purchase of a non Tesla product.
It is just crazy that charging providers, other than Tesla, can not be relied on to work. What kind of business model do these companies have. You can't make a sale if the charger is broken.
With you 100% Peter. British Government is legislating for one standard, no apps, no registration, copying the Tesla model. Profiteering is rife too but difficult to legislate for. Carefully pick the best value and boycott the rest. And you’re right, Tesla spoils us with both car and charging technology.
My wife has a Volvo xc40 recharge and I have a Tesla. Recharge at home is great for either car. On the road the non Tesla network is hit or miss. Chargers don’t work. Either out of service or don’t handshake. And the website doesn’t reflect the status. Tesla charging system shows how many charging stations are in operation and free and are reliable
The Chargepoint RFID card will allow one to use a Chargepoint account to charge on BC Hydro, FLO and Chargepoint chargers. I have found that BC Hydro and FLO chargers to be quite reliable. It's not really fair to blame the faults of an ancient EV, using a rare connector (Chaedemo) on the public charging network. Teslas are designed to charge on the left rear of the car, but the various non-Tesla cars have charging locations that vary to all four corners of the cars, and thus the CCS1 cables must be longer to accommodate different vehicles. The use of a Tesla connector and their short cables will not resolve the issues of the need for longer cables. The new Tesla V4 chargers have longer cables than earlier versions. I suspect that the vast majority of EV owners have access to charging at home, but more needs to be done to provide L2 (240v AC chargers) to Condo parking lots and to shopping centre and movie theater parking lots.
Legacy auto dealers are a nightmare for legacy auto makers. They gouged customers trying to buy electric vehicles. Legacy auto dealers abused their customers by adding market price adjustments to gouge their customers for EVs They added pricey add ons and other costs to pump up the prices and their profits. Tesla has the right idea. Buy online. No hassle. No sitting in a show room for hours. No salesman BS. No crazy markups. No I have to see my manager BS. With Tesla you can buy a vehicle in 5 minutes or less online. The dealers have no one to blame but themselves. The dealers are dragging the legacy auto makers down with them.
Totally agree, people need to fully understand what to expect when they get an EV. I started with a plugin Toyota Prius Prime. While I charged at home, it was over a 120v outlet, but it was overnight, so who cared. Then my first Tesla. While I started with the same 120v outlet, it was still overnight, but eventually I opted to have a level 2 charger installed. Big difference! As for the remote charging experience, since it was a Tesla, there were no worries. When Tesla # 1 was gone, they only consideration was another Tesla. We have an up coming trip scheduled and I have no worries because I know I have the Tesla charging network all along the way. There is a reason Tesla is # 1 in EV sales.
Love my 2022 Model Y Performance. 99 % home charging. I have taken too 1000 mile round trips. No problem with Tesla Superchargers. No more than 25 minutes to top off battery’s. DRIVE Hard and Recharge.
I drive a PHEV that can use only the J1772 chargers. I once rolled up to the sole EVGo J1772 at the shopping mall with the plan to get some electrons whilst shopping. There was a Tesla plugged in and I thought, well that's fair, I will just park in a regular ICE spot. As I walked by, I noticed that the Tesla had been charging for over 8 hours. You bet your bippy I took a photo of the charging unit's display panel and his license plate & reported this violation of EVGo's 2-hour limit to customer service. At a nearby grocery store there are Electrify America and Volta chargers. The EA have CCS and CHAdeMO and the Volta are solely J1772. Guess what I usually find hogging the 4 Volta units while the EA units are unoccupied. Yup, Teslas. A few times the driver has been present and I politely point out that EAs are available and will give them a faster charge rate if they have the CCS/Tesla adapter. Almost every single driver has responded with a variation of "Yeah, but those cost money and Volta is free." Very annoying.
I feel the same way! I have a model3 and live in Chase. I am following you now on cozumelman . Curious about Cozumel as a retirement place. Canada is a very expensive place to live . Thanks
Id pay more for an EV bc they are hands down better. Faster, quieter, no poisons spewing from the exhaust. Two points on the charging network comment. 1) it’s only necessary for road trips. For charging near your home, EV buyers should identify 2-3 charging options before buying an EV. Mine are my house and tesla SC 5mi away. My wife’s charging options are our house or one of 3 DC fast chargers within 3mi of the house. 2) only Non teslas have limited and broken chargers. Teslas have more plugs per station and very high uptime. Stations are very common… i believe over 18,000 most with 6+ chargers. Lastly to price - tesla model 3 starts at 28k after federal tax incentive
To be fair you can't keep an ICE vehicle running while gassing up either. So you freeze in the winter getting gas. But, do you ever wonder why all the other charging networks have malfunctioning issues? Could it be by design? And in the US some states require the charging to be by the minute as well, which in my opinion would be illegal. Imagine having to pay for gas based on time and not volume! Considering the big auto never wanted EV's is seems reasonable. However, Tesla had better step up building new Superchargers because all those other manufactures that are jumping on board with the NACS, will clog up our network. Because when those other EV drivers experience how easy the Superchargers are they won't go to other networks.
I don't care if they take a little longer, just don't leave your car sitting there unattended when it is fully charged. Also if there are two chargers available and your vehicle can only take a maximum of 50 kW/hr, don't park at the 150 or faster charger. Use the 50 kW/hr charger.
Your leaf's level 2 charging is limited to 3.3 kw. That's super slow, takes forever to charge. Would be much better with the newer 6.6kw. I get by fine with my 2015 though I do have home charging but no chademo port. Once you setup with majority of providers you are good to go, just swipe the card or use the app. All I'm saying you can make it to work if you really want. Tesla is for 'ev dummies' - definitely not for problem solvers. Way to easy (although I want one lol).
@@rozonoemi9374 yes, 99% of the time. Isn't the car designed to make decisions for the driver? It routes your charging and soon to be FSD. Seamless experience, right?
The problem has always been Tesla for coming up with a closed charging network. I'm in the UK and even though the plug is standardised, Tesla doesn't permit the use of their charges. Payment methods should be by any system that isn't dependent on a phone which I don't always carry and without loyalty charges and monthly fees
Think of it like a costco gas station. They pay for the chargers, you pay a membership to access them. The main difference is that 90% of your "gas" is from home and even cheaper. Also it was my understanding that Tesla has been opening up their supercharger network to other cars in the UK
You are forgetting that Tesla offered up their charging technology in the beginning for free but everyone else balked and went with the ridiculous CCS system instead. This video is more evidence how badly that decision has played out around the world.
Tesla was building their brand therefor they wanted Tesla owners to have a place to charge. Now that they have over 5k charging stations with multilabel terminals they can afford to open it up to other EVs, @@SyntheticSpy
I've been telling people this for literally the last 4 years I've owned my Tesla. Last month I went to Florida to visit family and rented a Polestar electric car and experienced the same two issues...broken chargers or extremely expensive. I've told people it doesn't matter if someone builds the best electric car man has ever made, it's useless without a reliable charging network and who the hell wants to buy an ev when it costs as much OR MORE than gasoline?
Fantastic information. We live in BC and purchased a 2017 LEAF, knowing that it was a short range EV 130km approx. We charge at home 99% of the time and its fine for commuting. BUT if we go to Vancouver or outside the lower mainland, its a challenge.
We've seen broken chargers, vandalized chargers, cards that don't activate chargers, apps that don't activate chargers, chargers that need to be restarted by calling a 1800#.
We've got a stack of cards and apps just in case the charger we find needs a different card / app.
and with pay by credit card at some chargers being a premium vs using their app and an account and a balance...
It is doable, but what an extra cognitive load for non-Tesla owners?
Tesla charging sounds like a dream. Plug in and walk away... Great!
The first thing I did when I placed my order for my Tesla was to install a Hubbell industrial grade receptacle in my garage. I purchased my Tesla Model Y LR a year ago last October and have only used Tesla remote charging one time and that was to make sure it worked and my credit card was set up properly. So far I haven't done much traveling and home charging has worked perfectly for me.🙂
Yes, Peter, charging anxiety has replaced range anxiety. It's outrageous that in this day and age the various charging networks force one to get an account with them using incompatible payment methods. At a minimum, these networks should be forced to allow payment by credit card as gas stations do.
You're completely correct! I occasionally use a CCS adaptor with my Tesla when out in the boonies....i've only had to use it a handful of times and since then the Tesla network has improved where I travel so I won't have to rely on it more. I've been using the BC Hydro fast chargers and they've at least all been workable albeit with an occasional phone call to their help number. I've always reached a live operator at least and they were able to remotely reset the charger to get it working each time but, yes, you're right about all the unnecessary hassles with paying and operation of the other chargers. We're just spoiled in the Tesla world
Your analysis is dead on!!!
After 8 years with my Tesla Model S 70D I traded it in for a KIA EV. The car came with 1000 kWh of charging FREE at Electrify America locations. While I have a charger at my home, I decided to use EA free juice for a while during warmer weather. Unfortunately, our state only has ONE EA location (and 11 Tesla Supercharger locations). The EA location, as you explain is alway crowded, no matter the day of the week or time of day AND usually has at least one and sometimes two chargers OUT OF SERVICE. Further the 350 kW units often throttle charge speeds as though they are 150 Kw chargers. Of all the times I went to that location to charge, only once was I able to plug in and start charging without jumping through hoops. After many frustrating sessions, I'm back to charging at my home, using my own juice.
By the way, those EA chargers were .48 cents per kWh (if I had to pay) .. my home electricity runs .15 cents per kWh.
P.S. For health reasons, I no longer take long trips in my EV so I knew I would be charging at home 99% of the time, thus the purchase of a non Tesla product.
It is just crazy that charging providers, other than Tesla, can not be relied on to work.
What kind of business model do these companies have. You can't make a sale if the charger is broken.
With you 100% Peter. British Government is legislating for one standard, no apps, no registration, copying the Tesla model. Profiteering is rife too but difficult to legislate for. Carefully pick the best value and boycott the rest. And you’re right, Tesla spoils us with both car and charging technology.
My wife has a Volvo xc40 recharge and I have a Tesla. Recharge at home is great for either car. On the road the non Tesla network is hit or miss. Chargers don’t work. Either out of service or don’t handshake. And the website doesn’t reflect the status.
Tesla charging system shows how many charging stations are in operation and free and are reliable
The Chargepoint RFID card will allow one to use a Chargepoint account to charge on BC Hydro, FLO and Chargepoint chargers. I have found that BC Hydro and FLO chargers to be quite reliable. It's not really fair to blame the faults of an ancient EV, using a rare connector (Chaedemo) on the public charging network. Teslas are designed to charge on the left rear of the car, but the various non-Tesla cars have charging locations that vary to all four corners of the cars, and thus the CCS1 cables must be longer to accommodate different vehicles. The use of a Tesla connector and their short cables will not resolve the issues of the need for longer cables. The new Tesla V4 chargers have longer cables than earlier versions. I suspect that the vast majority of EV owners have access to charging at home, but more needs to be done to provide L2 (240v AC chargers) to Condo parking lots and to shopping centre and movie theater parking lots.
NACS was designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption.
CCS was created by the ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption.
Legacy auto dealers are a nightmare for legacy auto makers. They gouged customers trying to buy electric vehicles.
Legacy auto dealers abused their customers by adding market price adjustments to gouge their customers for EVs
They added pricey add ons and other costs to pump up the prices and their profits.
Tesla has the right idea. Buy online. No hassle. No sitting in a show room for hours. No salesman BS. No crazy markups.
No I have to see my manager BS. With Tesla you can buy a vehicle in 5 minutes or less online. The dealers have no one to blame but themselves. The dealers are dragging the legacy auto makers down with them.
Totally agree, people need to fully understand what to expect when they get an EV. I started with a plugin Toyota Prius Prime. While I charged at home, it was over a 120v outlet, but it was overnight, so who cared. Then my first Tesla. While I started with the same 120v outlet, it was still overnight, but eventually I opted to have a level 2 charger installed. Big difference! As for the remote charging experience, since it was a Tesla, there were no worries. When Tesla # 1 was gone, they only consideration was another Tesla. We have an up coming trip scheduled and I have no worries because I know I have the Tesla charging network all along the way. There is a reason Tesla is # 1 in EV sales.
When I had a tesla I used the same chargers that I used when I had a Nissan and now that I have a Škoda. I've found no real difference. 🤷
Love my 2022 Model Y Performance. 99 % home charging. I have taken too 1000 mile round trips. No problem with Tesla Superchargers. No more than 25 minutes to top off battery’s. DRIVE Hard and Recharge.
I drive a PHEV that can use only the J1772 chargers.
I once rolled up to the sole EVGo J1772 at the shopping mall with the plan to get some electrons whilst shopping.
There was a Tesla plugged in and I thought, well that's fair, I will just park in a regular ICE spot.
As I walked by, I noticed that the Tesla had been charging for over 8 hours. You bet your bippy I took a photo of the charging unit's display panel and his license plate & reported this violation of EVGo's 2-hour limit to customer service.
At a nearby grocery store there are Electrify America and Volta chargers. The EA have CCS and CHAdeMO and the Volta are solely J1772.
Guess what I usually find hogging the 4 Volta units while the EA units are unoccupied. Yup, Teslas.
A few times the driver has been present and I politely point out that EAs are available and will give them a faster charge rate if they have the CCS/Tesla adapter.
Almost every single driver has responded with a variation of "Yeah, but those cost money and Volta is free."
Very annoying.
I feel the same way! I have a model3 and live in Chase. I am following you now on cozumelman . Curious about Cozumel as a retirement place. Canada is a very expensive place to live . Thanks
On my 5th electric car. Now have Tesla. Charging second to none.
Id pay more for an EV bc they are hands down better. Faster, quieter, no poisons spewing from the exhaust.
Two points on the charging network comment.
1) it’s only necessary for road trips. For charging near your home, EV buyers should identify 2-3 charging options before buying an EV.
Mine are my house and tesla SC 5mi away.
My wife’s charging options are our house or one of 3 DC fast chargers within 3mi of the house.
2) only Non teslas have limited and broken chargers. Teslas have more plugs per station and very high uptime. Stations are very common… i believe over 18,000 most with 6+ chargers.
Lastly to price - tesla model 3 starts at 28k after federal tax incentive
I charge at home only been to a supercharger three times maybe 5 time's with in two months!
To be fair you can't keep an ICE vehicle running while gassing up either. So you freeze in the winter getting gas. But, do you ever wonder why all the other charging networks have malfunctioning issues? Could it be by design? And in the US some states require the charging to be by the minute as well, which in my opinion would be illegal. Imagine having to pay for gas based on time and not volume! Considering the big auto never wanted EV's is seems reasonable. However, Tesla had better step up building new Superchargers because all those other manufactures that are jumping on board with the NACS, will clog up our network. Because when those other EV drivers experience how easy the Superchargers are they won't go to other networks.
I never understood why you sold the Red Dragon, but now you know why you should have sold the Dragonfly.
Maybe you learned a valuable lesson
It’s kinda moot since NACS and Tesla are taking over.
Hey did you ever change the cabin air filter in Your red dragon .....i did not see video and i just change them today ......bee leaf how many year
Blame the SAE with their red tape and nonsensical standards around liquid cooled cables and foolish charging plug standards.
I don't care if they take a little longer, just don't leave your car sitting there unattended when it is fully charged. Also if there are two chargers available and your vehicle can only take a maximum of 50 kW/hr, don't park at the 150 or faster charger. Use the 50 kW/hr charger.
Haha I had to look up "A Dog's Breakfast". First time hearing it.
The infrastructure it is just not ready for the number of cars. And they want all electric till 2030....scarry
Now they want all elertic cars in 2040
Your leaf's level 2 charging is limited to 3.3 kw. That's super slow, takes forever to charge. Would be much better with the newer 6.6kw. I get by fine with my 2015 though I do have home charging but no chademo port. Once you setup with majority of providers you are good to go, just swipe the card or use the app. All I'm saying you can make it to work if you really want. Tesla is for 'ev dummies' - definitely not for problem solvers. Way to easy (although I want one lol).
Tesla owners don't have to solve charging problem, we are EV dummies, Right?
@@rozonoemi9374 yes, 99% of the time. Isn't the car designed to make decisions for the driver? It routes your charging and soon to be FSD. Seamless experience, right?
The problem has always been Tesla for coming up with a closed charging network. I'm in the UK and even though the plug is standardised, Tesla doesn't permit the use of their charges. Payment methods should be by any system that isn't dependent on a phone which I don't always carry and without loyalty charges and monthly fees
Think of it like a costco gas station. They pay for the chargers, you pay a membership to access them. The main difference is that 90% of your "gas" is from home and even cheaper.
Also it was my understanding that Tesla has been opening up their supercharger network to other cars in the UK
@@SyntheticSpy Costco can go to hell, luckily they aren't in this country
You are forgetting that Tesla offered up their charging technology in the beginning for free but everyone else balked and went with the ridiculous CCS system instead. This video is more evidence how badly that decision has played out around the world.
Tesla was building their brand therefor they wanted Tesla owners to have a place to charge. Now that they have over 5k charging stations with multilabel terminals they can afford to open it up to other EVs,
@@SyntheticSpy