We Spent $10,000 on Two Distinct Sportbikes! Kawasaki Ninja ZX-4RR vs Suzuki GSX-8R | On Two Wheels
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After a long hiatus, On Two Wheels is back with some fresh faces. Meet Bradley Adams and Evan Allen, the new hosts of On Two Wheels. In this episode, they tackle the Super Sportbike category, pitting the Kawasaki Ninja ZX-4RR against the Suzuki GSX-8R. Despite their similar $10,000 price tags, these two motorcycles exhibit unique behaviors as they navigate through tracks, canyons, and urban environments.
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It's important to note the zx4r in North America is detuned to 56hp for emissions, in Europe it makes up to 79hp. This would make the performance a lot closer to the gsx8r.
American zx4r can be modified to get the full potential.
And it should have been for this test. No one will buy one of these and leave it stock.
Torque and displacement rule
Good thing we can ECU flash that nonsense and get the most of our bikes. 🤘🏻
Also a the 4 pot is actually making a lot of emissions just by being a 4 pot, so one of the thing they use to reduce the emissions is actually a restrictive exhaust. Most bike increase their hp by a lot with full exhaust kit, but moreso on this bike.
@@mloclam6917 Torque does not matter in a sport bike. Not even a little bit.
as a european with my 80hp zx-4rr i gotta say i love it! the inline 4 is insanely fun and screamy
The sound of a screaming inline 4 is such a beauty ❤
the computer starts closeing our throttle at 10k. yall yap about euro 5 but our noise regulations are knee caping bikes more.
@@nick4506 yes its kinda funny that people constantly mock Euro emission rules but then suddently the US slaps the bikes with a 500x worse regulation that literally kills all of the fun of the bikes. I hope Euro regulations never go that far
@@nick4506same thing happened in 1971. The LS6 Chevelle in 1970 had 450 hp. 70 was the biggest year in horsepower. Then the epa came out with emission rules that just coincidentally (not) killed horsepower. Same 💩 different year. Insurance companies have been the biggest in politicians campaign contributions and lobby money
@@pitchforkpeasant6219 what getting our bikes now is noise regulation. epa emission rules are reely lax compared to euro.
what was reely holding back early 70s cars was leaded gas. cant use a catlylitic converter with leaded gas. all they had was just goofy air injection and a whole bunch of ideas that didn't work. any emissions regulation hurt power a ton. onec leaded gas was out and they discovered cats and the oil crisis was over power came back.
i dont know if you've seen smog but yea emissions regulations are necessary. but the goofy testing procedure they use for noise regulations is crazy.
4:28 “But it might make your bike illegal” …… And? 😂
CYA
Yeah who cares. It’s not like some cop can “sense” that your bike is ecu flashed
Only in places like commifornia anyway. If they can't stop people looting on a daily they don't need to be looking at people's bikes.
@@siraff4461 Just tell the cop the bike is stolen 😁
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 They would probably fill the tank for you and ask if you need anything else.
Without the reflash that EVERY ZX4RR owner will do, this comparison is irrelevant. But, that was definitely the BEST Cardo Ad ever. :)
You really think 8R riders ain’t also gonna do power mods to! That’s why you go stock for stock! Cause once you start modding it’s a hole other game!
@tammyforbes2101 they might but the horsepower won't double + the flash is solely to fix the gimped mapping where 10k-redline is completely flat
@@tammyforbes2101 Not the same thing. Stock 4RR in Europe and Asia equals US bike with flash. The 4RR is limited for noise regs in the U.S.
Just bought my first motorcycle. 24’ GSX-8R sword silver/red wheels. Im 6’2” 277 lbs. 56 years old and i love it.
Got mine in Blue, 59yrs, 5'9, 165lbs. GREAT BIKE! Ride safe Brother!
Buy some springs that support your 277lbs properly, thank me later
@@williamelliott17500:11
Oh no. I couldn't do it, just from the ergonomic standpoint. I'm the same height, weigh 30 pounds less but my knees and back are 7 years older, so I went with a bike with a more stretched out wheelbase and ergonomics, got the GSXS1000GT+, enjoying the 150 HP. Probably my last 2 wheeler after 50 years of riding. Just stay safe.
Got mine in yellow. 50 yrs old, 6'5" 230 pounds and I absolutely love my bike.
This is a nice video. Without getting lost in the technology built into the bikes, the differences between the two were clearly pointed out from a riders standpoint. One bike fit one rider, the other bike fit that rider. Ride what you like! Two sweet rides!
You shoulda flashed the Ninja
Great to see On Two Wheels soldiering on - love the variety across channels
Wish they got a zx4rr with the ecu flashed.
Its still dog slow under 8k lol 😂
Great video, you guys totally brought back the show, same feel and spirit of the old stuff, love it, can't wait to see more videos from you guys ❤
I'm liking the new blood. Good job guys.
My coworkers and I all bought zx4rr's. As soon as the first one got the ECU updated, the other four all followed suit immediately. If you were that close on an untuned ECU, you'd beat him on mine. Tires and a tune is transformative to the bike.
Triggered much
The young fella did great with the big boy on the back, considering how big boy was fighting against the lean!
Great vid guys, loving the casual and fun format :)
It's great to see OTW back and I'm looking forward to new episodes.
Companies wonder what is happening to the new rider market, then they go and sell beginner bikes for $10k
Neither of these are really beginner bikes.
@@subzero-ku2wx you're probably talking to people who buy 1000cc's for thier 1st bike and only ever use 10% of its potential. 🤣 Waste of time
These aren't beginner bikes. Both of these mfgs sell bikes targeted at beginners that are significantly cheaper.
Yes, inflation is alive and well, even in the motorcycle world. Beginner bikes? Maybe not so much, at least for most of us.
@@williamwintemberg inflation is a beeatch! I remember the old RS125 in the 90s cost around 3k. Imagine what that would cost in today's money😮
This is a great vid, these two are a fun duo, interacting well together, and the premise of the review was excellent
I like the premise of the video but could do with less corny semi-scripted banter and a shorter introduction to the bikes, since that was all covered months ago when they were released.
Really enjoyed this video. Great banter between you guys. Was looking at exactly these two bikes here in the UK and opted for the Kawasaki a couple of weeks back. Still running in but really happy with the bike. Think I'd have been happy with either to be honest.
Look forward to more content.👊
Glad to see more On Two Wheels!
Really enjoying this kind of comparison content!
you guys need to switch bikes and give each personal impression for each bike after
Great review, brought back so many great memories of Socal.
The one thing you missed is you should have both switched bikes, to see how you both liked each bike.
Great video guys. Much better than a standard comparison.
Good fun vid, thanks guys!
Aspirational, thank you! Loved it
Good job. Keep the good work coming.
Constantly talking about how "good these bikes are for beginners" while knowing these bikes are 10k is just insane
Maybe not an absolute beginner, but good for a near beginner. Get a crappy bike for a few hundred miles then upgrade to one of these. Or in a few years when the Suzuki is used for $4,000 it will be good for beginners.
All beginners are not poor mate...
The zx4rr is not a beginner bike. Its suspension and other features make it a fantastic small displacement track bike. A beginner wouldn’t even be able to squeeze the performance out of it. Go buy a ninja 400 and shut up until you get more experience
@@cottleful true, but these reviewers always talk about how they are "great for beginners". That is exactly what I meant with my comment. These are NOT beginner bikes, especially for that price (they cost that much because they have non-beginner features)
@cottleful On the contrary, the ZX-4R is perfect for near beginners. It's not so fast that they'll be more focused on not dying than learning. And it has plenty of capability to grow into. A personal anecdote: I started on a Ninja 500. After 2 months, I upgraded to a Daytona 675. I learned more in 2 hours on the Daytona than I did in 2 months on the Ninja. I was not nearly good enough to use all of Daytona's capability. But the bike was good enough to allow me to more comfortably explore what I was capable of.
I would never buy a new Ninja 400 unless you really like that class and want to stay there. If it's for learning, plenty of other people have already done that, just buy their used bike. True beginners should start on something cheap and used so not as much is lost when they inevitably drop it. After a very short period with the learner bike, get what you want - probably not a liter or giant bagger - but otherwise, get what you want.
Something being "too good" is never a reason to tell someone else to not buy it.
2 UP was funny as hell hahaha
Awesome. More of these please! 😎
After coming back to riding after 30 years (last bike was a TZR250) I wanted a bigger bike but also understood I am new again and wanted something that I could grow into but not be to brutal. Also I have a 28" inseam so lower bike needed.
I did consider the ZX4RR (in UK its more powerful) but decided on a 24 CBR650R (red of course). Which I dont think is out in the US yet.
Happy with my choice, I wanted an inline 4 as closer to my old 2 stroke style, less power down low and then takes off :).
So far so good. Enjoying the bike and at 94hp its fun when you wind it up.
Again its so nice to have all types of sport bikes now to suite everyones tastes in style and engine.
Good all round review.
Great review, little of everything.
You guys did my weekly weekend ride. Borrego...stop at Josies...up and down Palomar, then straight down 76 to the Strand before going back down Mission to my crib in Oside.
Enjoyed the video guys, not because I have to chose between the two bikes for my next ride, but because I already own a 1992 CBR400RR which I've had for nearly 30 years and love it and am considering trying out the GSX-8R soon to have along side my baby blade. Not sure if your getting the CBR600RR Stateside but that also is very tempting.
Kawasaki Z900 enters chat. But between these two bikes I would still choose the ZX-4RR.
Hello Bradley
Whats up !
Ritchie Thorp here
Brought back memories with your comment of SV650 racing days
Not sure you remember racing me . Thanks for the memories
Lovely review
The problem with these bikes in canada is insurance for younger riders too. Im 22 years old, Ive been riding for 3 years, I have my full licence, never been pulled over or had a ticket, and most of the insurance companies I called wanted $13,000 a year for insurance! These bikes were made for younger riders and yet they cost so much to buy and insure
Totalitarian state
"i trust you bud" hahaha that part really laugh me hard. good content brother! love from squad ninja zx25r from Malaysia 🤙
Cool video for sure. Would be interesting to see the drag race results after switching Riders
The zx4rr is definitely the quirky bike I’m gonna get because it’s a bit of a novelty with its small I-4 engine revving absurdly high. I’d pay for the flash/tune to unleash its engine. If you complain about the practicality then you don’t get it.
Haha fun video had a good time watching 🎉
please do the Suzuki GSX-8R vs Yamaha-R7, I'd like to know which is the best.. thanks
A cross-plane crank does not help the bike make more torque. But in specific situations, it can make it easier to manage the torque deliver, primarily in the dirt. On pavement the only real advantage is sound.
That plane in the Air at 16:05 lol
enjoyed this guys. I am going for the Suzuki 8 R
You Cali guys don't know true misery of riding in the cold till you've commuted in NYC year round lol. All jokes aside, great episode about 2 great bikes under 10k a lot of newer riders or casual riders will be considering. I've ridden the ZX4RR and the chassis is really great. The true potential of that engine shines when they're unlocked which most people will do almost immediately. Graves has a lot of really awesome parts for that platform. The GSX8R does have an amazing engine, but I was really turned off by the weight of it. Some people may not mind it but I'm a shorter rider @ 5'8" and I definitely felt it.
Sweet video. 👏🏼 Loved the sv650 but not the lack of slipper clutch stock. Can you record the cardio audio and then match it to GoPro footage in post?
If you clap or make an audio spike that also has a strong visual cue, it's easy to sync the audio to video footage.
Around 10K brand new the Honda CBR650R. Cannot beat it. Super sport looks in line 4 and reliable.
Great video
If both bikes were flashed the GSX8R would still be a better ride for a larger person.
Nice bikes there. Interesting comparison.
Not a track rider, so for what I ride: Comfort, fuel range are most important along with style of the bike and reliability on public roads more than faster speed.
I like how ninja guy was leaning off the bike but the bike was still almost straight up in the turns lol
What is your mic setup? Seems like you have very little wind noise to deal with…. (I always struggle with wind noise at track speeds, even with a lav mic in my helmet.)
I would like to see the same tests after zx4rr is tuned. Then compare them
great review!! what helmet chin mounts were you using?? thanks!
People saying that you should have flashed the ECU are missing the whole point...
Both bikes got the job done. If you don't need to win races, your choice only matters to yourself. Get a bike you love, for whatver reason it might be, and you've made a great choice already.
Bigger guy did not follow any of the rules of being a good passenger - maybe it was intentional for comedy, but good job smaller guy for completing the lap.
its like that scene in the bike movie Torque!
As a San Diego dirt and sport bike rider there’s so many options when it comes to riding out here
I’ve been riding Harley’s and supermotos for 4 years on street. (Been on dirtbike since 6) the zx4rr is the perfect bike I was looking for. It cruises highway fine on my way to the canyons.
Everything I've seen is the ZX-4RR is a fabulous bike - after its tuned to eradicate the very very restrictive and limiting factory standard tune.
What was the track capability of both bikes? Which one could do a faster lap?????
I think 8r sitting posture is more comfortable
I just want the looks of the GSX-8R with the sound of an inline 4
This video should of been Suzuki GSX-8 vs Kawasaki Ninja 650. ..Cool comparison nonetheless.👍🏽
270 crank; i get it that the 2nd cyl fires after 270 degrees on the crank but wouldn't the other cylinder fire only after 90 degrees? how is this better then 180 degree crank?
The fact that is fires so soon after is what gives it the smoothness advantage. From the short bit I read about it..
The crank goes around twice for every power stroke. So its 270-450-270-450 etc. A 180 degree crank would go 360-360-360-360.
@@DogmaticShrew But how is it better?
It is mostly a noise and vibration difference. A 270 degree crank has the same firing interval as a 90 degree V-twin like a SV650 or Ducati. To most peoples ears, the uneven firing interval of a 90 degree V-twin or 270 parallel twin sounds alot nicer than a 180 paralell twin which sounds like a lawn mower engine. 270 degree twins also do not have the awful rocking couple of a 180 degree twin (or not to the same extent) so they are generally less buzzy to ride on the highway. The reason they cost more is due to manufacturing as 270 degree twins require a twisting process during forging which is more expensive.
But in terms of power and torque per cc theres is very little difference. 270 degree twins can generally be made larger due to the better balance though. Think africa twin 1100.
Last difference is in torque pulses. The uneven firing interval is said to improve traction and make it easier to reach the limit. (Think yamaha cross plane vs traditional I4s. or big bang engines in motogp). However with small capacity bikes like these that can barely break traction, it is not a concern.
Thanks for listening to my rant
@@Expertshot777 Thanks for posting it.
It's not a rant, it's informative lol
Cheers
I use to watch this channel in Japan. So weird to see them on location and know exactly where they are at.
That red Toyota in front tho 😮💨
I just can't watch ZX4RR videos out of America unless the bike's been de-regulated.
Agreed. I'd wager 90% of the ZX4RR's in the US will be unrestricted via reflash.
@@dhess34 Maybe higher. The market for these bikes will be hardcore riders who really want the full beans, and they will absolutely go to the trouble of getting it flashed as soon as they ride it off the lot.
Alao, the EPA is stupid
@@operator0 Yeah, fuck the EPA. Acid rain was awesome.
@@aluisioussame rain, different poison. Diesel def fluid and what else
@@aluisiouseurope has emissions control standards too....just saying...
These two bikes actually have a similar HP curve on dyno. The flashed zx4rr is like the GSX-8R but offset 5000 RPM. The GSX should take off a lot faster either way though. That drag race was a lot closer than I thought it'd be for a gimped 4RR. I definitely think the 4RR is better to start with, it is relaxed slow HP curve especially unflashed, but when you need power, rev it up and it's there
It's sad the aftermarket is the only solution to get the ZX from 49 horsepower at @14200 rpm to a whopping 76 horsepower.
But with the same aftermarket help, the 8R makes 88 hp and bags more torque.
Coolant low in the 4RR's overflow?
Manyaksınız agalar😂
Video için teşekkürler
Nihayet bu iki güzel motorun kıyas videosuna kavuştuk sayenizde❤
Zx4rr bir çok kıyasta geride kalmasına rağmen 8r ın 776cc gücüne karşın çokta güzel performans sağlıyor hemde 400cc ile. Sesinin güzelliği ise direkt cezbediyor. Güzelliğini de söylemeye gerek yok sanırım. 8r güzel motor fakat far tasarımı kötü bana göre. Ayrıca kuyruk tasarımı da kötü. Ama güzel makina videoda gördük.
Aynı fiyat diliminde bu iki makinadan birini seçmek zor.
Benim gönlüm geride kalmasına rağmen tasarımı, sesi ve yarış pisti performansı nedeniyle zx4rr❤dan yana.
zx-4rr with a proper alu frame would have been sweeeeet... now we got a steel budget frame that wants to look like a twin spar alu frame just to trick those that are not into bikes that much.
That little girl on the Ninja can ride pretty good and she knows what she's talking about
😂 made my day
ZOMG I just noticed how long that rear fender is on that GSX-8R O_O
So Suzuki makes ninjas now... Bring back the SV1000S!
looking for a beginner bike might go with the zx4rr bc that sound is unmatched from starter bikes and sound just like in car matters to me
Of COURSE you gotta love the Suzuki theme. The fake-ish GSX"R" and the Kevin Schwartz helmet.👍👍👍
Bike prices are too expensive these days, they can’t justify such high prices for something that is basically a frame, wheels and an engine!!
Both bike is awsome ❤
Thank you, Royal enfield 🙏
😂😂😂
Fairer comparison would've been a ZX-6.
377 extra cc's helps quite a bit :)
If the zx4 rr is flashed it would be a lot closer than that. I am 6’2 and have the zx4rr tuned huge difference than the 52 hp stock pulls all the way up to 14k doesn’t struggle in lower gears like before just saying but if you keep it power bands if a fun bike and enjoyable ride
I’m getting one in 2 months, I’m assuming the tune makes the bike way better? Is it a must to get?
@@jasontoth7965 Yes. Most places will do multiple flashes for free so you can just flash it stock and then again if you ever decide to get an exhaust system.
Aint nothing fun about about a 400 cc bike in my opinion. Once you ride a liter bike you can never go back
@@claudemaggard7162 I traded in my MT-09 for less power, and my friend traded in his ZX10R for a ZX6R. People go back all the time. lol
The suzuki 8R is a quick little bike that's a very comfortable ride and very easy to ride just an all around nice bike to ride especially at the price.
I own a powersports repair/service shop, and haven ridden both to...extremes...I would buy the GSX-8R all day.
Where is the beach spot?
Everyone posting that the ZX4 is a completely different bike with the ECU flashed are correct. However it's also worth pointing out that it's ridiculous that you have to spend the money these things cost and then spend more money to get the performance that you really have already paid for to start with. Yes, I do realize that this isn't even really a manufacturer issue but a government one. Still frustrating nonetheless.
Doesn't the American 4RR come with a QS and blipper..
mt07/r7 with turbo kit 💪🏻😉
Short answer is four cylinders are the only way to go when getting a sportbike, 2 cylinders are for cruisers
4rr is not the direct competitor of 8r. So what’s the point? Same price?
should be the GSX8R vs Triumph Daytona 660
25:28 just close the visor enough that it cover your eyebrows but not completely cover your eyes, it'll block a lot of rain water. yes your mouth and nose will get hit by rain water, but atleast you can see a lot better. unless it's a storm then just fully closed the visor :D
I'm debating between a ZX-4RR and a GSX-8R.
This video didnt help me choose at all 😔
I used to have a vfr400 back in the day so leaning towards the zx4rr but i'm old now so the gsx8r is probably the smarter choice.
Should have turned the quickshifter on the zx4rr
Going 2 up on a track? I didn't get him to scream? I'll try anything once? 👀 Sus 😂
Kawasaki should do a zx-4r supercharged like a mini pocket rocket h2 !