Thank you for uploading this footage. It was my family who immigrated to Australia. I’m the little girls in dads arms while he’s being interviewed. We have had a great life in Australia and I thank my parents for the decision to move but I still miss all my family in Ireland and Ireland will always be home.
Fantastic to hear after watching this documentary - I don't know how anyone who lived in those parts of the city then coped with the constant stress they were living under every day. Your dad looked after his family and took them to a safe place - a strong man.
wow that must be very sentimental looking at the film your dad looked like a really nice bloke glad that it all worked out well for you. was your dad a catholic or a protestant? Did your faith in Christ as your saviour survive the move to Oz?
Glad it worked out for yas. I was actually wondering how he ever got on. My dad was a bus driver, had his 25 years service throughout the troubles. Your dad seems like a good guy
He was not political and was hard working but was a catholic, so he was run out of a protestant area...really fell sorry for Mr Gunn and his family. I am an ex-soldier and a generally a unionist, but I am ashamed that he was chased out of the area...and the country...
@@whitewolfo2715 Was in the Falls Rd a few weeks back...didn't hear any Marxist keech and definitely no enemies...you are thinking of the so called officials with that marxist tosser at the helm...Cathal Goulding in the 60's/70's...but it's 2019 now so peace and love everywhere😄😄😄 You must be from Glasgow using that word numpty😉
Great little video.... My parents were also one of the families that ran away to NZ and Australia. I was always a wee bit resentful, I felt like an outsider over here growing up and always wished we were back in Belfast. Watching these films makes it ever so clear that there was no other option at the time. I can understand my parents fears and why they felt they needed to leave their homes and other family and friends behind. My mother and father are both still alive and loving life down under... we can all be truly grateful for this when so many lost their lives during the troubles
@@svukusic3432 Yes just recently. I ended up living and working in Belfast for a year... I admit it was tough to live there and a little crazy. I rented a house right near my parents old neighbourhood. The money was shite and my children missed Australia so we came back down under. was the best experience for me and I plan to go back ! Belfast today is awesome even with all its flaws and social issues. The people in Northern Ireland can be hard but I love them all.
Thanks @@chrismccann9164. Good to hear things worked out for you. I was born in Belfast in '69. Moved away in '72. Great to visit every year or so. Interesting to see this video, how it was back then.
The man at the end,You can see the pain in his eyes and hear it in his voice. I hope he made it to NZ and the other families at the start who said the were going to Australia went, stayed and had a good life, for I too left for Australia and have never looked back! Protestant or Catholic god bless every single one of them !!!!!!
The guy you are talking about when him and his family were going to get the boat . The taxi they were travelling in to the harbour crashed and the man was left paralysed. Talk about bad luck
Alot of comments for mr gunn. A hard working family man. The worst about it is there was so many like him and his family this happened too. I hope he found peace
Agreed, and here in the US as well. Growing up we heard of the conflict in Northern Ireland but we didn’t understand everything. I have now been going back and reading books and watching videos to learn more about that time.
An example of an innocent person , irrelevant of religion , who just wants a decent life but had his home attacked and his family terrified . The silent majority who suffered . Very sad.
Mr Edward Gunn. A fine man and true community person. God has not made enough people like this. An insperation.All of the Belfast and more Love you sir.
davekiernan1 perhaps his religion and second name led to some confusion among the dysfunctional low intelligence youth of the opposing side. ‘that guys ira i heard hes got a gun’
Edward Gunn's house looks pretty much the same as it did 40 years ago. It's 80 Ardoyne Rd, Glenbryn. Definitely no catholics living around that district to this day.
@@monkeybubblessupperdude1016 Thanks to YT a lot of people will now see how feckin horrendous these times were....long long overdue that Britain's involvement in Ireland is on the history curriculum in all British schools.
@@monkeybubblessupperdude1016 Genuinely don't know if the RA's guns gave the Nationalist's equality or if the SDLP would have got there just as quickly re Sunningdale but my instinct tell's me it was the BON JOVIES fearsome response which has led to EQUALITY...fuck what is equality with those inbred dark ages doolally willie Frazer types...we are so much better than that....Billy Hutchinson their bonfire leader 😆😆😆
I hope Mr Gunn had a happy life in NZ, I'll bet he did. Nobody could put up with all the nonsense he suffered, I would have done the same thing if I were in his shoes!
Thank you for uploading this documentary, I hope all the people that left have done well for themselves, I wish they would teach our troubles in our schools as younger generations haven't a clue, it's so they don't make the same mistakes and learn from our past and treat everyone with the same respect they deserve themselves, I remember these times thankfully my children haven't to a certain extent, many thanks ☺
It was heartbreaking having to see a decent man and his family get chased out of a place he liked living in.We cannot go back to times like that.I hope everything worked out better for them.
My dad was brought up in East Belfast and lived in Scotland the rest of his life when he married my mum, we all went 'back home' to visit and I always remember he would have a year in his eye, when he seen how his beloved city had been ruined by hatred and bigotry , we cannot ever go back to those dark days ever again!!!
Interesting documentary on Belfast. I am a firm believer that the majority of people during 'the Troubles' simply wished to go about their own lives, work hard and look after their family, like any other family in the United Kingdom or Republic of Ireland. Only a very small minority of people created the divide on both sides. I was particularly perturbed by the circumstances of the hardworking man nearing the end of the documentary, who had been forced to emigrate to New Zealand as a direct result of youths stoning and damaging his home. How helpless he must have felt for having committed the 'crime' of 'being from the other side'. How very sad! Belfast is a very different place now. However, will it last? Only time will tell.
No the terrible political situation created the divide, ands it is different thankfully, but not as different as you like to think. My girlfriend lives in an estate controlled by the UVF and since I have an Irish name that could put my life in danger.
@@geedee1264 I had heard the paramilitary groups still control their communities. Very bad thing indeed but sadly predictable. Situation far from solved.
Very sad story, and I hope Edward Gunn and his family are doing well in NZ. Like Edward Gunn, my grandfather (except a Protestant) “cut his losses” and left Belfast. Only he emigrated to Australia - in 1914. Where he met and married my grandmother (a Catholic).
@@iamsoldierf8316 Sure you did solider F a lost cause his banged to rights Ulster Loyalists need stop defending British Security Forces disgrace themselves
Brave Bus drivers, who were often targeted and many killed or injured. The elderly gentleman boarding his windows . My heart melted when he was talking. Throughout ALL the years of The Troubles, the innocent communities, shoppers, children, workmen, they were all targeted by cowards on either side, and paid the ultimate price. God Bless them one and all, and bless this great island. I am an Irish descendant and I am, and always have been, proud to say that 🇬🇧 🇮🇪 🇬🇧
Why? I'm Irish/English myself. I know why I'm proud of my English heritage, but Irish? Nah, not proud of stories about victimhood and death cults..... (The knowledge saved and shared by priests throughout history , fantastic....but the vatican has other historical habits that aren't so positive... .🤦🏻♂️)
@@cocksure8430 I share your anger. They were hideous atrocities. That notwithstanding, I'm proud of my Irish ancestry for many reasons. I'm proud of the strength each and every Irish person had. To stand strong and believe that one day the awful nightmare of The Troubles they were living through would end, and that peace would come to Ireland. I am in my late 60s, and remember clearly the stories my grandfather told me of the struggles he and his family had, just to eek out a meal from the land in Ireland and to fight just to stave off hunger and illness. I am a proud English person. But I will always be proud of my Irish heritage.
See? Youre proud of what great victims the Irish are, never giving up not winning...over the body of the last revolutionary (whos death they sing about with glee)...who also lost. Not the best I'm afraid.
@@cocksure8430You're wrong. I disagree. I acknowledge the strength and bravery of the Irish who have long suffered. If not from religious bigotry then from political crimes carried out by both sides, which blighted that land with blood for decades. Now peace is surviving there, I don't understand why you're happy to make sweeping statements about 95% of honest, hard working people, as if they don't deserve it? I'd be interested to know what you're views are of 'your own' Irish family and their struggles. Hopefully, you have studied their lives and know something of your Irish genealogy. But, anyway. Let's just agree to disagree here. My feelings for the land of my fore fathers is strong and I AM proud. Always will be. Have a nice day.
@@zezet0ni594 No, I asked you what youre proud of, and all you can come up with is being proud of being victims. Thats exactly what I said is their identity. Also, folk like you who know nothing about Ireland (you couldnt even give me one single achievement to be proud of) but for some reason love the idea of being Irish, like a child who wants his life to be a little more interesting than it really is. Lip service. So no, we wont agree on anything. I said what you were going to say about pride in victimhood, and then you said it....exactly. If you wish to be proud of something then at least have the courtesy to know something about a place before you steal an identity for yourself. Or you could find some pride in who you actually are rather than some mythical freedom fighting ancestry....its really fukin lame.
I honestly think this type of clear, factual programming is way superior to the over loud, frenetic nonsense that so often fills TV screens. The early ‘70s was a golden age for television in many ways.
My Mother's family left this insanity and took the entire family to the United States. My Father's family got the entire family out if Poland and also emigrated to the United States for obvious reasons. I graduated from High School in 1976 and wanted to go to Belfast to help. My Irish Mother stopped me. 😶
14.10 is the problem. Protestant feels better because no Catholics nearby. She wasn't scared was she.... just didn't want them near her. That smile on her face when she quotes her husband saying it hasn't started yet.
The Partitioning of the Six Counties from Ireland in 1921 was a disastrous Mistake from the British Government, it placed a Land Border on Land, and in the Mindset of both People's living there. Catholics and Protestants live side by side in the Republic of Ireland as Equals with no violence.
I see from Google maps that this area has been redeveloped and Thistle Street is now a Court but with Union Jack's still flying! Would love to know what happened to those interviewed all those years ago.
Read many books on the troubles!!! Done a lotta research too it was a horrible time where many innocent lives were lost through catholic and Protestant fight 😭😭😭 I love coming ova to Belfast from Scotland beautiful country fave place in the world
That last interview was the most touching all of I've seen in those Thames documentaries about Belfast. I knew a guy who left a protestant area even though he was a protestant, simply because he didn't want to get entangled in the conflict in the early 80s. He spent 10 years in RSA and eventually returned.
Thank god things have changed.. I went to Belfast about 3 years ago . I found it to be a modern vibrant city..which was busseling. The people were kind and helpful. It's worth a visit. Lots of history!
Charles Stewart Parnell, Wolfe Tone, Erskine Childers, Billy Leonard, Ernest Blythe, Robert Barton, Ivan Cooper, Kathleen Lynn, Issac Butt, William Smith O Brien, Darrel Figgis, Stephan Gwynn, Horace Plunkett, Thomas Addis Emmet, Thomas Davis, James Napper Tandy, John Gray, Lord Edward Fitzgerald, all Irish Protestant IRA members. It's an Irish, British thing not Catholic, Protestant as a lot of arseholes would have you think.
Its a Nationalist issue, the vast majority of catholics have that outlook ... On the other hand, its a Unionist issue ... the vast majority of protestants have that outlook . So regrettably its a political-religious issue.
Where I lived back then,there was little or none of this. I pitied the poor people of Belfast having to endure that shit for over 30 years. Thankfully,those times are passed.
@@dowling1981 ok,there's still a little bit of internal feuding over territory and possible drug distribution,but the bombs that paralysed Belfast at one time aren't going off anymore. Police and Army aren't being shot at. It's just the never ending marches and flags nonsense that won't go away
15th feb '71 decimilization was introduced, this film was 30th sep '71 so when I see a house @£20000 which in todays money would well north of £1M it makes me think that these house prices have not inflated in line with currency.
My best friend 42 yrs ago NI Catholic married an English protestant they moved over to Craigavon and we run out by both sides, they settled back in England.
Ulster Unionists hate English Protestants for selling them out who could blame English Protestant they are Anglicans think Presbyterians are freaks weirdos😂
How sad that a man born and bred in the city of Belfast with both sad and happy memories felt he could no longer stay had to move to other side of the world.and fact he said he would rather not see it again sad to have to be made to feel that way.yes we have come on to some degree but there is a long way to go.the vast majority of people here are great and feel exactly as Mr.Gunn did back then it is only a handful of people on both sides now that want to keep this nonsense alive cos they don't know any other day to live but I am confident with next few generations it will eventually die off because people are travelling more outside of northern Ireland they are widening their horizons more and educating themselves more so we will get there it's just going to take but longer than we had anticipated because future generations are not going to be put in a box Catholics.protestants.dissenter will all mix together and become more integrated with one another and if two people come together in love no one is going to worry where you were christened or indeed even if you were because love and mutual respect will always win the day in the end and I firmly believe it will here too.
Some of our relatives left the North in December 1971 they came down to us around Midleton and Waterville Co Kerry. They came for the children sake due to the breakdown in behaviour at schools. It was the best thing they did the children settled well. They have never been back, They never wanted to got back. I hope it worked out for the other emigraes too
I don't care that I'm a prod but what that gentleman said makes him a diamond and I respect him and he and his family shouldn't have to leave Belfast's nice places,that is what wee need more of and so feckin what I don't care wee need feckin peace because I grew up up there then so don't try and tell me because you are either English or member of my familie so I'm not bloody interested.
So in 1971 you could buy a mansion out in the posh suburbs for 20K. 20k won’t even buy you a bed sit now. Crazy how house prices have exploded. Even though people earned less back then it wasn’t relevant to todays house prices and peoples wages. No wonder so many live in rented accommodation or have 30 year plus mortgages.
I've watched several documentaries on The Troubles etc, as I grew up in Canada in the 70s, and remember seeing fighting on the nightly news every day. I was too young to understand it at the time, and frankly, (And I am ashamed to admit this) it was so far removed from us, most adults just ignored it. This brings up some interesting perspectives I actually have considered while watching the turmoil. Like how did the buses keep running, civic facilities, or shops? The take from the suburbs was fascinating, very informative!
It's just a shame that the whole population of northern Ireland can't get together and forget about their religious beliefs and remember that they are all decent human beings and get on with one another it must be awful I feel sorry for them all.
I hope that man & his family had a great life in New Zealand !! I'm sure he did as he was obviously a hard working man!! And I hope the young lads who chased him out of Ireland (just like my own parents were , for the crime of being Catholic's) are still alive when Ireland is united once again (or if they are dead, almost as good) because a United Ireland is now as inevitable as the sun coming up in the morning!! God Bless The UNDEFEATED P. IRA 🇮🇪✊🏻🇵🇸
@ Donald Stewart. no matter which side utters “ X drove Catholics/Protestants out of their homes” --- you will always have the Catherine Teszke’s of the world ready to pounce. I am an American who has NO place in the centuries old battles in Ireland. I am the son of a mixed Catholic/Protestant marriage. We were raised Protestant. But what the loyalists perpetrated in Northern Ireland , especially from 1969 to 2000, needs to be FULLY REVEALED AND NEVER FORGOTTEN. Serial killing sanctioned by government. The Republicans are guilty of same crap.... but it was the brutal repression of the centuries which created them as a unit. Much like Germans under Hitler, these people who perpetrated (post the war) must come out and f’n apologize for what they have done. Now let those who disagree speak...🙂
@Jadey Xx That's utter lies. Everyone knows it was the protestant majority government oppressing fuck out of civil rights marches and catholics which forced people to fight back. Proddie bastards have the same arrogant attitude as the British establishment, forgetting that Ireland as a whole was once united until British forces occupied the north and then claimed it as their own.
Can a good honest Catholic and a good honest protestant tell me how the troubles started? I would like to hear from the 2 different sides ? houses don't get burnt like that for nothing so tell the truth, please.
Garry Creighton NI was made after the rebellion in South of Ireland by Protestants that wanted to stay British and feared repercussions from staying in the South, I know various friends who’s families were from the South but moved North due to violence against them. Naturally that turned a lot of Protestants sour to Catholics in the North and made them restrict their lives unfairly with it only getting more so as IRA activity ramped up, a positive feedback in a way. The divides were small things from the past, Ethno-Religious became Ethno-Political in the modern era, this divide was only increased as more events happened.
@@grettajoyce3204 just about sums it up in one sentence. Catholics treated unequally in all aspects of society pre 1969 i.e housing, employment, education, etc. and then 'given the stick' when they protested. NI government created the circumstances for what happened.
If the protestents who migrated to the north of lreland in the 16 th and 17 th centuries educated their children that they lived in a different country, and had some sympathy for all the wrongs perpatrated on the lrish people maby they might have intergrated more over time, education is the key.
The Gunn experience is not unusual. My brothers father in law was told by the RUC he was on a list. He was helping people (Catholics) fill out compensation forms. Moved to Dublin. The Police were not there to protect our sort. My father-in-law bought a shotgun and showed he could use it. That stopped the shooting into his house. The RUC "couldn't help." The same boys were out on the 12th marching. I know everyone suffered. It's a bit like like the Palestinians now. Some people left, some people fought, and everyone suffered. My perspective is that partition was unnecessary, and it made the violence inevitable. Sectarian states are just not stable.
Religion is so ridiculous. The fact they harassed him over being Catholic is so stupid. Heck, I'm an American who is the product of a Protestant father and a Roman Catholic mother. I'm Secular and Socialist. We as Socialists don't care about organized religion. We don't discriminate based on your religion. We just want a strong secular state. We also don't discriminate based on race or ethnicity or gender. We actually view all religion as a distraction ultimately. Protestant or Catholic it doesn't matter. Both are to be kept in private domains and out of government. Socialism is about equality.
Has nothing to do with religion. Its nationalism. Catholics want to be part of the republic as they see themselves Irish and protestants seeing themselves as British want to stay part of the UK. There have been protestants in the IRA and INLA. It's a war over land and not something eing fought on theological grounds.Im from Ireland by the way.
It breaks my heart to see such nice desent ordinary people who just want a simple peaceful way of life be tortured that way . Sad world . Northern Ireland is such a beautiful country with genuinely nice folk .
Remember the Ballymurphy massacre. British forces murdered 11 innocent people including a mother of 4 children, they shot her 12 times and once in the face trying to help the wounded.
You are very one-sided.I think your off a very low I.Q..You spout hatred on a load of videos without evidence..Where you even born when the "Ballymurphy Massacre" happened.? Do you know anyone that was shot dead?.Never discredit if you know nothing about it.
Mr Gunn's story is my family story multiplied by three. We were put out of the Glen, Gobnascale and Strathfoyle in Londonderry, for being British citizens.
Wasn't this a major factor that moderates on all sides fled with their families leaving behind those who could not or would not therefore entrenching sectarianism even deeper and into the open arms of the paramilitary ideologies.
There was economic, political and social inequality operating across the board by the Protestant majority towards the Catholic minority which had been happening since the time of Elizabeth I. I have put these links in for educational purposes only. See: www.jstor.org/stable/24457590?seq=1, and www.jstor.org/stable/42857929?seq=1, journals.openedition.org/etudesirlandaises/1743?lang=en. The way that some members of the Catholic population was treated affected of their attitudes towards Protestants and the British Army. See: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/23/families-troubles-victims-vexatious-northern-ireland, www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/03/troubles-uk-failures-good-friday-agreement-law-un, www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/18/dismay-over-uk-plan-to-close-unsolved-troubles-cases, www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/26/troubles-legacy-mps-condemn-downing-street-plans-close-cases, www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/20/northern-ireland-suicides-troubles-death-toll. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/22/why-were-troubles-so-bloody-this-helps-explain/. There is a great deal of unresolved inter generational and trans generational trauma in northern Ireland due to the violence of those years of conflict. See also: www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/dec/12/david-cameron-pat-finucane-murder, www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/14/troubles-psni-northern-ireland-police-accused-of-loyalist-collusion. Unfortunately, political motives and aspects come into play in tragedies like this. It’s unavoidable. Both sides suffered in the conflict, and people were harmed. See: www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/world/europe/paramilitary-attacks-northern-ireland.html. With Brexit and high unemployment figures in some deprived areas, some people are turning to crime to establish control over others in their own communities. And that’s sad.
@@mog2134 Thank you for your reply. I do NOT condone violence of any kind, nor terror by anyone, regardless of their political views. I feel that the IRA never had a chance against the British Army or MI5. See: www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jun/26/northernireland.northernireland. See: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/08/pat-finucane-mi5-destroyed-investigation-files-into-alleged-collusion, www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/30/pat-finucane-murder-a-pitiless-act-and-a-political-storm, www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/feb/26/northernireland.ireland and www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/oct/15/uk-arms-northern-ireland-loyalist-massacre. I feel that the IRA couldn’t compete with that level of assistance. Also see: www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jun/14/northernireland.rosiecowan.
interesting to hear folk were actively segregating themselves before the walls went up. the footage from bryson street and thistle street was obviously pre wall yet folk were saying they felt safer by moving just a street along. i felt bad for mr gunn and equally bad for others that must've tried to hold on and refused to be intimidated by the mob. how many found themselves on the 'wrong' side post partition? i'm not from there so have no idea but can surmise not many. nobody could expect to live like that for any length of time.
It's a sad history of Northern Ireland for both sides people dying for what ? Am from there its not as bad now but the hatred still runs strong in areas. Time to move on and get on. No one wants the 1970/80s again
Yup as many have said, that outstanding man (i.e., someone normal looking out for his family) starting at 19:00 said it all about the ongoing stupidity of NI and, well, just us generally as a species. PS - there is no god.
15:20 three years later at the Mulberry Bush Birmingham. Support for the UDA spread across the Midland's, even today 2019 you'll see the link on football pins to the UDA.
We good all English are responsible for all the problems that happen politically in Ireland!! We go to countries and state we are here to educate the natives!
Interesting point - these houses were burned out by rampaging catholic mobs venting their sectarian hatred. But then that is how you spread your equality and kkkulture isn't it.
@@rock07879 That is completely untrue. Tell me this, how's that bitter wee Frazer bastard doing the day, any word of him fucking off yet, surely he can't have much longer. *SATAN'S WAITING*
Thank you for uploading this footage. It was my family who immigrated to Australia. I’m the little girls in dads arms while he’s being interviewed. We have had a great life in Australia and I thank my parents for the decision to move but I still miss all my family in Ireland and Ireland will always be home.
Fantastic to hear after watching this documentary - I don't know how anyone who lived in those parts of the city then coped with the constant stress they were living under every day. Your dad looked after his family and took them to a safe place - a strong man.
wow that must be very sentimental looking at the film your dad looked like a really nice bloke glad that it all worked out well for you. was your dad a catholic or a protestant? Did your faith in Christ as your saviour survive the move to Oz?
Great to hear you're doing well Ann....You're Da made the right decision.
@@paulduffy4585 Sorry to hear that . Could you not go back now that things have calmed down a little. There are some lovely rural bits of NI
Glad it worked out for yas. I was actually wondering how he ever got on. My dad was a bus driver, had his 25 years service throughout the troubles. Your dad seems like a good guy
Mr. Gunn's story broke my heart. You could hear the sheer terror in his voice. I really hope he did well in New Zealand.
Hear Hear. That poor mans story is heartbreaking,i hope he went on to live a long and happy life with his family away from it all.
Is the irony lost on anyone that his name is Mr GUNn.. considering the situation.
@Mark Kenny 😎😃
I can assure you nothing has changed
@@stevegreen9460 I have lived in New Zealand and they have the same problems we do.
He was not political and was hard working but was a catholic, so he was run out of a protestant area...really fell sorry for Mr Gunn and his family.
I am an ex-soldier and a generally a unionist, but I am ashamed that he was chased out of the area...and the country...
Are you from Ireland or Britain?
@@torquemada3273 The I.R.A. are Marxist you numbty they are your enemy now they support your replacement through its support of the Globalist agenda.
@@whitewolfo2715 Was in the Falls Rd a few weeks back...didn't hear any Marxist keech and definitely no enemies...you are thinking of the so called officials with that marxist tosser at the helm...Cathal Goulding in the 60's/70's...but it's 2019 now so peace and love everywhere😄😄😄 You must be from Glasgow using that word numpty😉
@@whitewolfo2715 Who the fuck are you??? by the sound of ur user name you sound like a member of the UK...explain bud😉
Typo error...meant KKK ya numpty😆😆😆
Great little video.... My parents were also one of the families that ran away to NZ and Australia. I was always a wee bit resentful, I felt like an outsider over here growing up and always wished we were back in Belfast. Watching these films makes it ever so clear that there was no other option at the time. I can understand my parents fears and why they felt they needed to leave their homes and other family and friends behind. My mother and father are both still alive and loving life down under... we can all be truly grateful for this when so many lost their lives during the troubles
Did you go return to Belfast?
@@svukusic3432 Yes just recently. I ended up living and working in Belfast for a year... I admit it was tough to live there and a little crazy. I rented a house right near my parents old neighbourhood. The money was shite and my children missed Australia so we came back down under. was the best experience for me and I plan to go back ! Belfast today is awesome even with all its flaws and social issues. The people in Northern Ireland can be hard but I love them all.
Thanks @@chrismccann9164. Good to hear things worked out for you. I was born in Belfast in '69. Moved away in '72. Great to visit every year or so. Interesting to see this video, how it was back then.
You’ve a lot to thank your parents for, fair play returning and working back in Belfast. ONLY the dinosaurs holding it back.
Why didnt ye move to Donegal, Dundalk or Monaghan?
Full respect to Edward Gunn. A shortage of men like him in this world.
Agreed, hard working and honest. I hope he got that peace he was looking for.
The man at the end,You can see the pain in his eyes and hear it in his voice. I hope he made it to NZ and the other families at the start who said the were going to Australia went, stayed and had a good life, for I too left for Australia and have never looked back! Protestant or Catholic god bless every single one of them !!!!!!
The guy you are talking about when him and his family were going to get the boat . The taxi they were travelling in to the harbour crashed and the man was left paralysed. Talk about bad luck
I hope they made a great life for themselves too. Well done to you too for making the break.
@l g of course its bullshit I'm just fucking about
I was hoping that it all went well for them too
@@rabby77777 don't be that fuckwit !
Alot of comments for mr gunn. A hard working family man. The worst about it is there was so many like him and his family this happened too. I hope he found peace
These old news reports from the troubles are great to watch..very educational..they should be shown in schools
Agreed, and here in the US as well. Growing up we heard of the conflict in Northern Ireland but we didn’t understand everything. I have now been going back and reading books and watching videos to learn more about that time.
Agreed, might put off some of the wee arseholes in Scotland trying to emulate them, let them see what the troubles really meant
Yes I born IN the UK part of Northern Ireland through Troubles was part of Norm BK IN 60s 70s 80s Until 1998 Ulster Agreement
@@ericskillen1914 who IS
An example of an innocent person , irrelevant of religion , who just wants a decent life but had his home attacked and his family terrified . The silent majority who suffered . Very sad.
Edward Gunn seems like a legend , New Zealand gained a great guy.
Well said, many a men like him from that part of Ireland, good hardworking men
Should have shot a couple off the bastards before he left.
Yitzak Lieberstein Is this one taking a rest micky ?
Edward Gunn make good Irish Nationalist politician in SDLP he stop the violence
Mr Edward Gunn. A fine man and true community person. God has not made enough people like this. An insperation.All of the Belfast and more Love you sir.
davekiernan1 perhaps his religion and second name led to some confusion among the dysfunctional low intelligence youth of the opposing side. ‘that guys ira i heard hes got a gun’
I’d love to know what happened to Edward Gunn after he left for New Zealand. I hope it went well for him and his family
Was thinking the same thing myself mucker
Became rich in the USA after leaving NZ and forgot all about failed backward Northern Ireland.
Is that a fact or fiction?
Which area in belfast did Mr Gunn live??
TORQUE MADA What?
Edward Gunn's house looks pretty much the same as it did 40 years ago. It's 80 Ardoyne Rd, Glenbryn. Definitely no catholics living around that district to this day.
Truly felt sorry for Mr Gunn, just a working jack trying to live his life, hope things worked out for him and his family...
Like most people
Considering this is about the trouble on the streets it's ironic that his name is Mr GUNn
@@monkeybubblessupperdude1016 Thanks to YT a lot of people will now see how feckin horrendous these times were....long long overdue that Britain's involvement in Ireland is on the history curriculum in all British schools.
@@torquemada3273 I'm Irish and one day the island will be United
@@monkeybubblessupperdude1016 Genuinely don't know if the RA's guns gave the Nationalist's equality or if the SDLP would have got there just as quickly re Sunningdale but my instinct tell's me it was the BON JOVIES fearsome response which has led to EQUALITY...fuck what is equality with those inbred dark ages doolally willie Frazer types...we are so much better than that....Billy Hutchinson their bonfire leader 😆😆😆
I hope Mr Gunn had a happy life in NZ, I'll bet he did. Nobody could put up with all the nonsense he suffered, I would have done the same thing if I were in his shoes!
Thank you for uploading this documentary, I hope all the people that left have done well for themselves, I wish they would teach our troubles in our schools as younger generations haven't a clue, it's so they don't make the same mistakes and learn from our past and treat everyone with the same respect they deserve themselves, I remember these times thankfully my children haven't to a certain extent, many thanks ☺
It was heartbreaking having to see a decent man and his family get chased out of a place he liked living in.We cannot go back to times like that.I hope everything worked out better for them.
Ulster Unionists Loyalists do the windows so this how supposed to convince Irish Roman Catholics into staying part of the UK 9:48
19:05 Such a nice man. Respect.
My dad was brought up in East Belfast and lived in Scotland the rest of his life when he married my mum, we all went 'back home' to visit and I always remember he would have a year in his eye, when he seen how his beloved city had been ruined by hatred and bigotry , we cannot ever go back to those dark days ever again!!!
Interesting documentary on Belfast.
I am a firm believer that the majority of people during 'the Troubles' simply wished to go about their own lives, work hard and look after their family, like any other family in the United Kingdom or Republic of Ireland. Only a very small minority of people created the divide on both sides. I was particularly perturbed by the circumstances of the hardworking man nearing the end of the documentary, who had been forced to emigrate to New Zealand as a direct result of youths stoning and damaging his home. How helpless he must have felt for having committed the 'crime' of 'being from the other side'. How very sad!
Belfast is a very different place now. However, will it last? Only time will tell.
Always takes one bad apple to spoil it for the bunch.
They all just slag each other off on Facebook now. The root of the problem really hasn't changed.
No the terrible political situation created the divide, ands it is different thankfully, but not as different as you like to think. My girlfriend lives in an estate controlled by the UVF and since I have an Irish name that could put my life in danger.
@@geedee1264 I had heard the paramilitary groups still control their communities. Very bad thing indeed but sadly predictable. Situation far from solved.
@@geedee1264 Not really your life in danger. Your jaw maybe, but thats standard NI.
Very sad story, and I hope Edward Gunn and his family are doing well in NZ. Like Edward Gunn, my grandfather (except a Protestant) “cut his losses” and left Belfast. Only he emigrated to Australia - in 1914. Where he met and married my grandmother (a Catholic).
I married a nice lady from the Ballymurphy area. Prod, proud and paratrooper. 😎
@@iamsoldierf8316 Sure you did solider F a lost cause his banged to rights Ulster Loyalists need stop defending British Security Forces disgrace themselves
Bad dat a man born and bredd in Belfast and works hard doesn't botther any one has to leave his country. Hope he made a good go of it in New Zealand.
Mr Gunn is a treasure. God bless Mr Gunn and family. It makes me very proud , when I hear this man.
It's all these individual stories that break your heart. Just normal people trying to live their lives.
Soldiers knew these people personally, we felt sorry for those we were unable to help.. We tried!
"an average day in Belfast" well that would send you to the other side of the world.
Brave Bus drivers, who were often targeted and many killed or injured.
The elderly gentleman boarding his windows . My heart melted when he was talking.
Throughout ALL the years of The Troubles, the innocent communities, shoppers, children, workmen, they were all targeted by cowards on either side, and paid the ultimate price.
God Bless them one and all, and bless this great island.
I am an Irish descendant and I am, and always have been, proud to say that 🇬🇧 🇮🇪 🇬🇧
Why? I'm Irish/English myself.
I know why I'm proud of my English heritage, but Irish? Nah, not proud of stories about victimhood and death cults.....
(The knowledge saved and shared by priests throughout history , fantastic....but the vatican has other historical habits that aren't so positive... .🤦🏻♂️)
@@cocksure8430 I share your anger. They were hideous atrocities.
That notwithstanding, I'm proud of my Irish ancestry for many reasons.
I'm proud of the strength each and every Irish person had. To stand strong and believe that one day the awful nightmare of The Troubles they were living through would end, and that peace would come to Ireland.
I am in my late 60s, and remember clearly the stories my grandfather told me of the struggles he and his family had, just to eek out a meal from the land in Ireland and to fight just to stave off hunger and illness.
I am a proud English person.
But I will always be proud of my Irish heritage.
See? Youre proud of what great victims the Irish are, never giving up not winning...over the body of the last revolutionary (whos death they sing about with glee)...who also lost.
Not the best I'm afraid.
@@cocksure8430You're wrong. I disagree.
I acknowledge the strength and bravery of the Irish who have long suffered. If not from religious bigotry then from political crimes carried out by both sides, which blighted that land with blood for decades.
Now peace is surviving there, I don't understand why you're happy to make sweeping statements about 95% of honest, hard working people, as if they don't deserve it?
I'd be interested to know what you're views are of 'your own' Irish family and their struggles.
Hopefully, you have studied their lives and know something of your Irish genealogy.
But, anyway. Let's just agree to disagree here.
My feelings for the land of my fore fathers is strong and I AM proud. Always will be.
Have a nice day.
@@zezet0ni594 No, I asked you what youre proud of, and all you can come up with is being proud of being victims.
Thats exactly what I said is their identity. Also, folk like you who know nothing about Ireland (you couldnt even give me one single achievement to be proud of) but for some reason love the idea of being Irish, like a child who wants his life to be a little more interesting than it really is.
Lip service.
So no, we wont agree on anything. I said what you were going to say about pride in victimhood, and then you said it....exactly.
If you wish to be proud of something then at least have the courtesy to know something about a place before you steal an identity for yourself.
Or you could find some pride in who you actually are rather than some mythical freedom fighting ancestry....its really fukin lame.
I honestly think this type of clear, factual programming is way superior to the over loud, frenetic nonsense that so often fills TV screens. The early ‘70s was a golden age for television in many ways.
My Mother's family left this insanity and took the entire family to the United States.
My Father's family got the entire family out if Poland and also emigrated to the United States for obvious reasons.
I graduated from High School in 1976 and wanted to go to Belfast to help.
My Irish Mother stopped me. 😶
14.10 is the problem. Protestant feels better because no Catholics nearby. She wasn't scared was she.... just didn't want them near her. That smile on her face when she quotes her husband saying it hasn't started yet.
The Partitioning of the Six Counties from Ireland in 1921 was a disastrous Mistake from the British Government, it placed a Land Border on Land, and in the Mindset of both People's living there.
Catholics and Protestants live side by side in the Republic of Ireland as Equals with no violence.
Sad story of Edward Gunn , hard working man .....and subjected to that , and no protection from the army or police ...
What should they have done? Sat outside his door 24/7? Blame the cretins who do this to a decent man instead of blaming others
@@spm36 Bigoted Ulster Scots Presbyterians
I see from Google maps that this area has been redeveloped and Thistle Street is now a Court but with Union Jack's still flying! Would love to know what happened to those interviewed all those years ago.
*Union flags :)
@@polmacdhomhnaill3021 common mistake made by ignorant republicans
Snidle
And ignorant unionists...
Butchers aprons
Only a Union Jack if flying on a ship.
Read many books on the troubles!!! Done a lotta research too it was a horrible time where many innocent lives were lost through catholic and Protestant fight 😭😭😭
I love coming ova to Belfast from Scotland beautiful country fave place in the world
Hello from royal hill of Tara county Meath Ireland☺
donna taylor ahh a good Scots man always friend to us loyalists in Northern Ireland
Scottish love to party in Belfast
liam mellows1916 Lolol. If you can’t beat ‘em, JOIN ‘em.
That last interview was the most touching all of I've seen in those Thames documentaries about Belfast. I knew a guy who left a protestant area even though he was a protestant, simply because he didn't want to get entangled in the conflict in the early 80s. He spent 10 years in RSA and eventually returned.
Absolutely shameful the way that hardworking Mr Gunn was treated. No doubt in my mind he done well in New Zealand.
Sickening behaviour by both sides the youth should have been kept on leech.
That would just suck the life out of them
Thank god things have changed..
I went to Belfast about 3 years ago .
I found it to be a modern vibrant city..which was busseling.
The people were kind and helpful.
It's worth a visit.
Lots of history!
Yes everyone goes to Belfast these days. So much night life I'm still amazed any time I go.
good old thames tv giving us clips of yesteryear, so long ago now.
Thank-you for uploading this video
Charles Stewart Parnell, Wolfe Tone, Erskine Childers, Billy Leonard, Ernest Blythe, Robert Barton, Ivan Cooper, Kathleen Lynn, Issac Butt, William Smith O Brien, Darrel Figgis, Stephan Gwynn, Horace Plunkett, Thomas Addis Emmet, Thomas Davis, James Napper Tandy, John Gray, Lord Edward Fitzgerald, all Irish Protestant IRA members. It's an Irish, British thing not Catholic, Protestant as a lot of arseholes would have you think.
Its a Nationalist issue, the vast majority of catholics have that outlook ... On the other hand, its a Unionist issue ... the vast majority of protestants have that outlook . So regrettably its a political-religious issue.
@@merseydave1 Your talking about the black boxes in the north, that's not true for Ireland as a whole.
@@mactoirdealbhaigh7624 You are talking nonsense
@@merseydave1 Right I just live here, what the fuck would I know?
Didn't know Ivan Cooper was an IRA member. I think his family might have something to say about that.
thank youuu! tough topic, love it from a historical not political POV
Where I lived back then,there was little or none of this. I pitied the poor people of Belfast having to endure that shit for over 30 years. Thankfully,those times are passed.
They haven't gone away
@@dowling1981 ok,there's still a little bit of internal feuding over territory and possible drug distribution,but the bombs that paralysed Belfast at one time aren't going off anymore. Police and Army aren't being shot at. It's just the never ending marches and flags nonsense that won't go away
To think it could go back to this because our precious peace process isn't being looked after 😞😠
E Boyle because of the scum IRA and this brexit shite and the failure of our government
@@Normalguy1690 and the drug dealing loyalists poisoning the youth
decclaws fuck off more drugs come in on the Catholic side than the loyalist side. But why even mention either side they both deal to kids moron.
The bus driver, what a legend 😂
would love to know what happend to the fella at the end said he was moving to NZ, did he and his family make it and a good life for them selfs??
15th feb '71 decimilization was introduced, this film was 30th sep '71 so when I see a house @£20000 which in todays money would well north of £1M it makes me think that these house prices have not inflated in line with currency.
20.55 This man Mr Gunn. He was too good for the area as it was at that time. Moving was a blessing in disguise. New Zealand is a lovely place.
My best friend 42 yrs ago NI Catholic married an English protestant they moved over to Craigavon and we run out by both sides, they settled back in England.
george de'athe How childish !!!!
Ulster Unionists hate English Protestants for selling them out who could blame English Protestant they are Anglicans think Presbyterians are freaks weirdos😂
@1.44 “you see with me being on holiday I forgot all about it. Lol
How sad that a man born and bred in the city of Belfast with both sad and happy memories felt he could no longer stay had to move to other side of the world.and fact he said he would rather not see it again sad to have to be made to feel that way.yes we have come on to some degree but there is a long way to go.the vast majority of people here are great and feel exactly as Mr.Gunn did back then it is only a handful of people on both sides now that want to keep this nonsense alive cos they don't know any other day to live but I am confident with next few generations it will eventually die off because people are travelling more outside of northern Ireland they are widening their horizons more and educating themselves more so we will get there it's just going to take but longer than we had anticipated because future generations are not going to be put in a box Catholics.protestants.dissenter will all mix together and become more integrated with one another and if two people come together in love no one is going to worry where you were christened or indeed even if you were because love and mutual respect will always win the day in the end and I firmly believe it will here too.
Some of our relatives left the North in December 1971 they came down to us around Midleton and Waterville Co Kerry.
They came for the children sake due to the breakdown in behaviour at schools.
It was the best thing they did the children settled well.
They have never been back, They never wanted to got back.
I hope it worked out for the other emigraes too
Strange to see Beechfield St in East Belfast opened up the way it used to be, now split to divide the communities.
I hope Edward Gunn and his family are doing well and are happy that they got away from those idiots. What a nice man
I don't care that I'm a prod but what that gentleman said makes him a diamond and I respect him and he and his family shouldn't have to leave Belfast's nice places,that is what wee need more of and so feckin what I don't care wee need feckin peace because I grew up up there then so don't try and tell me because you are either English or member of my familie so I'm not bloody interested.
So in 1971 you could buy a mansion out in the posh suburbs for 20K. 20k won’t even buy you a bed sit now. Crazy how house prices have exploded. Even though people earned less back then it wasn’t relevant to todays house prices and peoples wages. No wonder so many live in rented accommodation or have 30 year plus mortgages.
Good for him he’s a hard working man wanting a normal life
I've watched several documentaries on The Troubles etc, as I grew up in Canada in the 70s, and remember seeing fighting on the nightly news every day. I was too young to understand it at the time, and frankly, (And I am ashamed to admit this) it was so far removed from us, most adults just ignored it.
This brings up some interesting perspectives I actually have considered while watching the turmoil. Like how did the buses keep running, civic facilities, or shops? The take from the suburbs was fascinating, very informative!
what a real man and gentleman that farther was .......
Mr Gunn , I hope you all had a good life.
It's just a shame that the whole population of northern Ireland can't get together and forget about their religious beliefs and remember that they are all decent human beings and get on with one another it must be awful I feel sorry for them all.
Mr. Edward Gunn is a true man, protecting his family.
His face is very similar to that of the actor Daniel Day Lewis.
Very good footage of our old town and folk ... thank you!
If only we all lived our lives like this man and hurt no one .true family man
my god,,i grew up in Belfast,, memories , fuck ,,,we were a crazy bunch in west Belfast back in the day.
@@adrenalinpump7601 the billy bum boys are worse
Northern Ireland fell into chaos and terror (from both sides) because there weren’t enough men like Mr. Gunn.
Moral of the Troubles: Be like Mr. Gunn.
I hope that man & his family had a great life in New Zealand !! I'm sure he did as he was obviously a hard working man!!
And I hope the young lads who chased him out of Ireland (just like my own parents were , for the crime of being Catholic's) are still alive when Ireland is united once again (or if they are dead, almost as good) because a United Ireland is now as inevitable as the sun coming up in the morning!! God Bless The UNDEFEATED P. IRA 🇮🇪✊🏻🇵🇸
Bless mr Gunn
The loyalist thugs and layabouts drove that hard working man and his family out of their home and it was all for "God and Ulster" LOL!
@ Donald Stewart. no matter which side utters “ X drove Catholics/Protestants out of their homes” --- you will always have the Catherine Teszke’s of the world ready to pounce. I am an American who has NO place in the centuries old battles in Ireland. I am the son of a mixed Catholic/Protestant marriage. We were raised Protestant. But what the loyalists perpetrated in Northern Ireland , especially from 1969 to 2000, needs to be FULLY REVEALED AND NEVER FORGOTTEN. Serial killing sanctioned by government. The Republicans are guilty of same crap.... but it was the brutal repression of the centuries which created them as a unit. Much like Germans under Hitler, these people who perpetrated (post the war) must come out and f’n apologize for what they have done. Now let those who disagree speak...🙂
Dirty prods
@Jadey Xx That's utter lies. Everyone knows it was the protestant majority government oppressing fuck out of civil rights marches and catholics which forced people to fight back. Proddie bastards have the same arrogant attitude as the British establishment, forgetting that Ireland as a whole was once united until British forces occupied the north and then claimed it as their own.
@Jadey Xx yeah that's a bunch of lies.
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Born 23rd May 1968, from northern Ireland UK, ♥️🇬🇧🤝 , have family from both sides, & we all want to stay in the UK, ♥️🇬🇧🤝
Can a good honest Catholic and a good honest protestant tell me how the troubles started? I would like to hear from the 2 different sides ? houses don't get burnt like that for nothing so tell the truth, please.
Garry Creighton NI was made after the rebellion in South of Ireland by Protestants that wanted to stay British and feared repercussions from staying in the South, I know various friends who’s families were from the South but moved North due to violence against them. Naturally that turned a lot of Protestants sour to Catholics in the North and made them restrict their lives unfairly with it only getting more so as IRA activity ramped up, a positive feedback in a way. The divides were small things from the past, Ethno-Religious became Ethno-Political in the modern era, this divide was only increased as more events happened.
The Civil Rights movement gives a clue. It was seeking one man one vote and was beaten, bullied and defeated by Unionist intransigence.
@@grettajoyce3204 just about sums it up in one sentence. Catholics treated unequally in all aspects of society pre 1969 i.e housing, employment, education, etc. and then 'given the stick' when they protested. NI government created the circumstances for what happened.
If the protestents who migrated to the north of lreland in the 16 th and 17 th centuries educated their children that they lived in a different country, and had some sympathy for all the wrongs perpatrated on the lrish people maby they might have intergrated more over time, education is the key.
The Only thing British in the Colony, is the Mindset.
Colonialism has left some damage in its path in Ireland.
The Gunn experience is not unusual. My brothers father in law was told by the RUC he was on a list. He was helping people (Catholics) fill out compensation forms. Moved to Dublin. The Police were not there to protect our sort. My father-in-law bought a shotgun and showed he could use it. That stopped the shooting into his house. The RUC "couldn't help." The same boys were out on the 12th marching.
I know everyone suffered. It's a bit like like the Palestinians now. Some people left, some people fought, and everyone suffered. My perspective is that partition was unnecessary, and it made the violence inevitable. Sectarian states are just not stable.
Religion is so ridiculous. The fact they harassed him over being Catholic is so stupid. Heck, I'm an American who is the product of a Protestant father and a Roman Catholic mother. I'm Secular and Socialist. We as Socialists don't care about organized religion. We don't discriminate based on your religion. We just want a strong secular state. We also don't discriminate based on race or ethnicity or gender. We actually view all religion as a distraction ultimately. Protestant or Catholic it doesn't matter. Both are to be kept in private domains and out of government. Socialism is about equality.
Has nothing to do with religion. Its nationalism.
Catholics want to be part of the republic as they see themselves Irish and protestants seeing themselves as British want to stay part of the UK.
There have been protestants in the IRA and INLA. It's a war over land and not something eing fought on theological grounds.Im from Ireland by the way.
Secular and socialist.......worse than being either Catholic or Protestant. You sir are very dangerous!!!
@@Super241946 Dangerous to Capitalists, Imperialists, Fascists, and Racists
heart breaking
Who the fuck in their right mind would want to live in that environment.
It breaks my heart to see such nice desent ordinary people who just want a simple peaceful way of life be tortured that way . Sad world . Northern Ireland is such a beautiful country with genuinely nice folk .
Partition has failed, past time to end British rule in Ulster.
Partition is there for a reason
Caleb Emerson To keep sectarian tensions going 400 years and on
@@caleb4790 To create a gerrymandered, artificial state with a manufactured Unionist majority. Couldn’t even keep all of Ulster in Britain..
@@wynty200 that’s Caz Ulster voted against staying, fool
Remember the Ballymurphy massacre. British forces murdered 11 innocent people including a mother of 4 children, they shot her 12 times and once in the face trying to help the wounded.
Strange white stupid protestant person more like it and get rid of your hatred and maybe you will some sense
You are very one-sided.I think your off a very low I.Q..You spout hatred on a load of videos without evidence..Where you even born when the "Ballymurphy Massacre" happened.? Do you know anyone that was shot dead?.Never discredit if you know nothing about it.
@Straight White British Protestant Straight Black Irish Republican They were as innocent as Lee Rigby , and none had ever joined an army .
Did u remember bloody friday, la mon , enniskillen .Or have u sellected memory ?
Load of bollocks. Ballymurphy residents/IRA were shooting into Protestant houses. You just whine when someone shoots back at you.
Heartbreaking
24:45 The words of those in the Clann MacDonald's of Glencoe back in late 1690's.
Mr Gunn's story is my family story multiplied by three. We were put out of the Glen, Gobnascale and Strathfoyle in Londonderry, for being British citizens.
'Rudi' I'm SO sorry to hear that !
@@jacquiewalton1996 I'm sure you are you dirty taig bitch
@@RUDI-UK Temper, temper 'Rudi' ...are you a little bit miffed ?
When did you emigrate to Ireland from GB?
All about Ulster Scots Presbyterians Unionists and Loyalists not about Mr Gunn story isn't bigot
the wee man with the windows godbless him and in the end of the day its only innocent decent people that suffered and continue to suffer
Wasn't this a major factor that moderates on all sides fled with their families leaving behind those who could not or would not therefore entrenching sectarianism even deeper and into the open arms of the paramilitary ideologies.
23:30 What a brave man
All this due to the biggest serial killers........RELIGEON.
6 attacks at the end of this video and it all came from the Catholics, blowing up a bar,rocket attack,gun attack,
The oppressed fight back- what a surprise...
There was economic, political and social inequality operating across the board by the Protestant majority towards the Catholic minority which had been happening since the time of Elizabeth I. I have put these links in for educational purposes only. See: www.jstor.org/stable/24457590?seq=1, and www.jstor.org/stable/42857929?seq=1, journals.openedition.org/etudesirlandaises/1743?lang=en.
The way that some members of the Catholic population was treated affected of their attitudes towards Protestants and the British Army. See: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/23/families-troubles-victims-vexatious-northern-ireland, www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/03/troubles-uk-failures-good-friday-agreement-law-un, www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/18/dismay-over-uk-plan-to-close-unsolved-troubles-cases, www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/26/troubles-legacy-mps-condemn-downing-street-plans-close-cases, www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/20/northern-ireland-suicides-troubles-death-toll.
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/22/why-were-troubles-so-bloody-this-helps-explain/.
There is a great deal of unresolved inter generational and trans generational trauma in northern Ireland due to the violence of those years of conflict. See also: www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/dec/12/david-cameron-pat-finucane-murder, www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/14/troubles-psni-northern-ireland-police-accused-of-loyalist-collusion.
Unfortunately, political motives and aspects come into play in tragedies like this. It’s unavoidable. Both sides suffered in the conflict, and people were harmed. See: www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/world/europe/paramilitary-attacks-northern-ireland.html. With Brexit and high unemployment figures in some deprived areas, some people are turning to crime to establish control over others in their own communities. And that’s sad.
@@JuneJarka same in the south against the Protestants
@@mog2134 Thank you for your reply. I do NOT condone violence of any kind, nor terror by anyone, regardless of their political views. I feel that the IRA never had a chance against the British Army or MI5. See: www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jun/26/northernireland.northernireland. See: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/08/pat-finucane-mi5-destroyed-investigation-files-into-alleged-collusion, www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/30/pat-finucane-murder-a-pitiless-act-and-a-political-storm, www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/feb/26/northernireland.ireland and www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/oct/15/uk-arms-northern-ireland-loyalist-massacre. I feel that the IRA couldn’t compete with that level of assistance. Also see: www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jun/14/northernireland.rosiecowan.
@@mog2134 no it wasn't.
interesting to hear folk were actively segregating themselves before the walls went up. the footage from bryson street and thistle street was obviously pre wall yet folk were saying they felt safer by moving just a street along. i felt bad for mr gunn and equally bad for others that must've tried to hold on and refused to be intimidated by the mob. how many found themselves on the 'wrong' side post partition? i'm not from there so have no idea but can surmise not many. nobody could expect to live like that for any length of time.
the fact the troubles started over a civil right campaign is crazy
It's a sad history of Northern Ireland for both sides people dying for what ? Am from there its not as bad now but the hatred still runs strong in areas. Time to move on and get on. No one wants the 1970/80s again
Yup as many have said, that outstanding man (i.e., someone normal looking out for his family) starting at 19:00 said it all about the ongoing stupidity of NI and, well, just us generally as a species. PS - there is no god.
15:20 three years later at the Mulberry Bush Birmingham. Support for the UDA spread across the Midland's, even today 2019 you'll see the link on football pins to the UDA.
We good all English are responsible for all the problems that happen politically in Ireland!! We go to countries and state we are here to educate the natives!
“20.000 pound house” then shows a big ass house
Another example of British intransigence on issues that lie solely at their door.
A typical day indeed. I remember the news reports on tv were similar every day for years.
"The children are defying the British army". 😂🤣😂🤣
Interesting point - these houses were burned out by rampaging catholic mobs venting their sectarian hatred. But then that is how you spread your equality and kkkulture isn't it.
@Paul Nolan that's what the reporter said
@@rock07879
That is completely untrue.
Tell me this, how's that bitter wee Frazer bastard doing the day, any word of him fucking off yet, surely he can't have much longer.
*SATAN'S WAITING*
Sinéad Ní Choirbín they cant take authority that’s what’s wrong with the world, they should be hit a smack like any bad child
@@rock07879 your a header mate 😂
Edward seems to be the smartest person in Belfast. If only they all had his cop on.
15:16 Her husband was 100% right.
Collecting funds for the holy fight
Like a door to door salesman in the desert night
Russian guns coming on their way
Bought with money from the USA
You’d never imagine in a thousand years think that this stuff could happen on British soil, on our front door step in the place we call home!
Irish soil. That's what all this shite is over. Its our country, you would not like it if we divided and partitioned your country after invading it.