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The Troubles | Northern Ireland | Children of Belfast | This Week | 1972

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  • čas přidán 7. 10. 2022
  • *This is a slightly shortened version of the original report.
    The team from Thames television’s ‘This Week’ programme follow a group of 12 Protestant and Catholic children on a one week holiday to Butlins in North Wales. These children never get a chance to mix in Belfast due to sectarian divide and the possible consequences of being seen with each other.
    First shown: 21/09/1972
    To license a clip please e mail: archive@fremantle.com
    Quote: VT6614

Komentáře • 65

  • @toughlifevirgina
    @toughlifevirgina Před rokem +37

    God bless these kids. I hope they all managed to fulfil their wishes.

  • @-DC-
    @-DC- Před rokem +24

    Born Belfast 1971 we finally left in the early 80's this upbringing stays with you for life no matter how normal you appear from the outside.

    • @j2msu341
      @j2msu341 Před rokem +2

      Hi ! Were did you go to ? I left for Australia

  • @lgracie33
    @lgracie33 Před rokem +19

    I was 16 in 1972 in Belfast…..it was heartbreaking to lose friends I’d made when I was younger before the troubles started….we all lived and played quite happily before 1969 in a mixed area.
    Would love to see how these children progressed in life, as for me, I moved to England when I married my Catholic husband.

  • @letsdiscussitoversometea8479

    "It's like the Garden Of Eden here".
    THAT made me cry.

  • @jodiemcbrodie4997
    @jodiemcbrodie4997 Před rokem +19

    Beautiful little children all them, from both communities, it’s dreadful how children are taught how to hate by adults

    • @tommy-0791
      @tommy-0791 Před 2 měsíci

      Some adults Jodie. Most adults lost their friendships too. I was born in Belfast 1970 and left for London 89. This never leaves you and it gets in the way of you becoming a fully fledged person/adult. Both communities will come together at some point but it's a wee gem of a city now. And yes, they were beautiful little children and still are. Best wishes to you.

  • @ProfessorPesca
    @ProfessorPesca Před rokem +33

    It will never not shock me how utterly bleak Northern Ireland looks in these films from the 70s.

    • @toyotaprius79
      @toyotaprius79 Před rokem +2

      After 50 years of decline since the founding of the NI state it does

    • @j2msu341
      @j2msu341 Před rokem +1

      And 50 years on from the time of filming,it still doesn't look any better

    • @thatsthejobbb8587
      @thatsthejobbb8587 Před rokem +1

      Active war zones tend to look like that unfortunately...

    • @joemcconnell2674
      @joemcconnell2674 Před rokem +5

      I am from Sligo Ireland. About that comment that after 50 years NI still looking just as bleak I have to disagree. Belfast today is a far more beautiful city than back then. No more barricades and some beautiful modern buildings. Last time I was there the city looked like a y other city in the UK .

    • @Shamrock777-oy9vv
      @Shamrock777-oy9vv Před 6 měsíci +3

      joemcconnell2 I have to agree with you. The 2 main cities Belfast and Derry are totally transformed in recent years. Upwards and onwards.

  • @allanlarmour7460
    @allanlarmour7460 Před rokem +22

    Anyone of these kids could be anyone of us that grew up here. But it's a lie. I am from the Woodstock Road and most of my friends still are Catholics. Most of my protestant friends are dead. Some murdered, some killed themselves. A couple died in prison.
    I still hear a man screaming and begging for his life.
    They will never tell the truth of what happened here. Research Stake Knife.

    • @heathsavage4852
      @heathsavage4852 Před rokem +5

      I was born in Halcombe Street. We moved to Australia in 1966. Came back 1970 - daft move! I agree. Most of my mates were Catholics and our family is mixed. We never had any problems, nor gave anyone any.

  • @frazzleface753
    @frazzleface753 Před rokem +12

    It would be fascinating to hear again from these kids, now in their 50s and 60s, about how their lives turned out.

  • @j2msu341
    @j2msu341 Před rokem +17

    Like the boy said get out and go to America, I went to Australia and never looked back !

    • @leeboy2k1
      @leeboy2k1 Před rokem

      Im an emigrant too, except to the U.S from the UK
      One cannot run away from a people you dont defend, it's a painful truth all us fathers have to reconcile with..
      As the U.S was a Masonic departure from the English Monarchy of the time, Australia was and is a penal colony of the same entities that issue the global currencies we kid ourselves is real money.
      The Protestant reformation was a regression for the church, inevitable since the earlier Byzantine schism in 1054 pretty much doomed the modern world to a return to the Cancer that is usury. now their bad spending habits have coming knocking for the peasants once again.

    • @j2msu341
      @j2msu341 Před rokem

      @@leeboy2k1 my thoughts exactly

    • @jacquiewalton1355
      @jacquiewalton1355 Před rokem

      Do you know my old mate 'Bruce Burns' ?

  • @mshaw6836
    @mshaw6836 Před rokem +9

    Born here, grew up here in the 70s. This was all just 'normal' to us.

  • @dereksmith4177
    @dereksmith4177 Před rokem +4

    The worst cruelty we can give our children is to teach them to hate i would love a documentary on these children now they are in their 60s . I was 20 when this was made

  • @SamYungling
    @SamYungling Před 5 měsíci +3

    My grandparents took in a northern Irish child in 1982 as part of an American program to help Irish kids. The kid stayed with them and my dad, both were about 10 or 11. My dad tells the story of both of them one night:
    Irish boy: “I can’t sleep.”
    My dad: “why?”
    Irish boy: “it’s just too quiet”
    My dad: “what do you mean?”
    Irish boy: “I cant hear any gunfire.”

    • @MrPea123
      @MrPea123 Před 4 měsíci

      I'm from Northern Ireland here and in one of the streets in our town a building was burnt down bye the IRA and about 20 years later om the same street a man was waiting for a taxi and got shot in the back of the head was killed

    • @Daud76
      @Daud76 Před 2 měsíci

      10:31 This reminds me of an old Irish blessing, "As you slide down the banister of life, may the splinters never point in the wrong direction". 😄

  • @franceskronenwett3539
    @franceskronenwett3539 Před rokem +15

    I remember watching a documentary about Belfast in the 80s where a group of little Catholic girls had to walk through a Protestant area in order to reach their school. They were faced by a hostile crowd, mainly adults, who screamed insults at them. The little kids were scared stiff and started to cry. This will always stay in my mind. How deep must hatred grow that makes adults, many of them women, do this to children? Sickening.

    • @RobertK1993
      @RobertK1993 Před rokem +1

      That was 2001 Frances after Good Friday Agreement 1998

    • @a81758
      @a81758 Před 5 měsíci

      I know about this, I'm also appalled. No one deserves that, least of all children.

    • @jackietreehorn5561
      @jackietreehorn5561 Před 3 měsíci +1

      That was holy cross in ardoyne

  • @cathailmeegan
    @cathailmeegan Před rokem +6

    One keeps pigeons,one bates bees

  • @oman115
    @oman115 Před rokem +2

    This is truly heartbreaking.

  • @martinfitzgerald1605
    @martinfitzgerald1605 Před rokem +6

    Joe's a legend wonder what he's up to. Hopefully living the good life.

  • @joeloughran1352
    @joeloughran1352 Před rokem +8

    Joe Bateson the kid with the pigeons.

  • @HBudianu
    @HBudianu Před rokem +7

    Jesus Himself would never condone murder between churches. But the spirit of religion would, because it's the religious people (Pharisees and Scribes) who crucified Him!

    • @indiekiddrugpatrol3117
      @indiekiddrugpatrol3117 Před rokem +8

      It's nothing to do with religion they just use that to identify each other. It's an ethnic conflict between Irish and ulster Scots

    • @leeboy2k1
      @leeboy2k1 Před rokem

      @@indiekiddrugpatrol3117 Not an ethnic schism, a political schism caused by heresies from the 1054 Byzanine schism when the Bishop of Rome sacked Constantinople, this has led to many heresies and the retrurn of the Black sun slavery that is usury, which binds us all,

    • @mollydooker9636
      @mollydooker9636 Před rokem +5

      There is an old Norn Iron joke. ‘
      Are you a Catholic or a Protestant?’
      ‘I’m a Atheist ‘
      ‘Yes but are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist’
      But the real root of the division is not really religion its about ethnicity exacerbated by poverty.

    • @toffeenut1336
      @toffeenut1336 Před rokem

      Doesn’t sound like you’ve read the Bible, especially the Old Testament.

    • @jackietreehorn5561
      @jackietreehorn5561 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@toffeenut1336a very vindictive testament

  • @joemcconnell2674
    @joemcconnell2674 Před rokem +1

    Born in January 1970 but living in Southern Ireland. Of course living on the same island I remember we sometimes visited Northern Ireland! I remember my family driving through the border the soldiers and sometimes police patrolling them.

  • @rachael-777
    @rachael-777 Před rokem +9

    Religion divides people. We ought to see a person as a human first & foremost. Hope these lads went on to live freely & fully.

    • @leeboy2k1
      @leeboy2k1 Před rokem +1

      @Legion No what divides is the seperation of man's sovereignty from the state, the correct hierachy to protect mankind is what Byzantium had till the schism of 1054, this was as close to a just system mankind had to protect it's poor from usury, ever since the 1054 schism usury comes back like a black sun.

    • @Declanmaceircc
      @Declanmaceircc Před rokem +1

      Perhaps the problem is not division per se, but how we approach those divisions. Divisions will always be the lot of mankind.

    • @lgracie33
      @lgracie33 Před rokem

      I don’t think religion divides people……some people divide people…….my husband and I are different religions as are most of my family and friends. It’s only the rotten apples destroy the barrel.

    • @toffeenut1336
      @toffeenut1336 Před rokem +2

      Religion doesn’t divide people. Forced diversity does.

    • @a81758
      @a81758 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Sectarian attitudes divide people, not religion. There were some people in both communities in Belfast who got along OK, not everyone embraced the paramilitary way of doing things.

  • @anotherbrickoutthewall9237

    How things get out of hand... When will our "leaders" Learn from history

    • @leeboy2k1
      @leeboy2k1 Před rokem

      *Lets fix that with when will humans stop imposing usury before free markets? thus deinsentivizing corrupt 'public representatives' to make policy.

    • @toffeenut1336
      @toffeenut1336 Před rokem +1

      When they take accountability and consequences for their decisions and actions. Currently, the face nothing.

  • @soniarodriguez6651
    @soniarodriguez6651 Před rokem +1

    i thought this conflict was about Ireland wanting to be independent from England, not about religion. Sorry, i'm southamerican and became interested in this in recent years. I'm fond of Ireland.

    • @kaotiqx
      @kaotiqx Před rokem

      The Unionists were mostly protestant and the Nationalists were mostly Catholic.

    • @soniarodriguez6651
      @soniarodriguez6651 Před rokem

      @@kaotiqx thanks

    • @kaotiqx
      @kaotiqx Před rokem

      @@soniarodriguez6651 your welcome

  • @richardcrook2112
    @richardcrook2112 Před 11 měsíci

    01:07 It's so they can switch windows quickly. If you were making your getaway you wouldn't do right next to even more windows!

  • @toffeenut1336
    @toffeenut1336 Před rokem +3

    “Do you have Protestant friends?”
    “No.”
    “None at all?”
    “No.”
    “Would you like any Protestant friends?”
    “No.”
    FFS why does the interviewer keep pushing for it? No one is required to have X-types of friends. People can get by just as happy without prescribed friendships and communities.

  • @maxpower1337
    @maxpower1337 Před měsícem

    People really don't change we fight and kill each other for the stupidest reasons and All over the world never stops same old same old stuff over and over again forever.unfortuntly.😢

  • @ecosmart1565
    @ecosmart1565 Před rokem

    the wee boy at 3:20 is whacking bees with a stem of toxic Giant hogweed

    • @maxpower1337
      @maxpower1337 Před měsícem

      I thought hog weed was toxic.

    • @ecosmart1565
      @ecosmart1565 Před měsícem

      @@maxpower1337 caustic sap...photo reactive causes severe burns when sun shines on it

  • @rwandanman1218
    @rwandanman1218 Před rokem

    Bumshite

    • @toyotaprius79
      @toyotaprius79 Před rokem

      @Marshall Applewhite's Magically Delicious Pudding and what?