Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird - 1999 Vs 2003 - Which Is Better?
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- čas přidán 5. 04. 2024
- In this back-to-back Blackbird review we'll be looking at (and riding) the 1999 Honda CBR1100XX and 2003 CBR1100XX. It's amazing how different such similar machines can feel! Which do I like better? Let's find out together!
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I never understand why people spend so much money on new bikes when bikes like these are available with low mileage at a fraction of the cost. All the performance and style you could wish for for such little money!
Right on!
That said the 2nd hand market relies on the fact that some ppl buy new
@@benjordan3497 very true, long may they keep doing so, that way we can take advantage of the bargains they provide to the rest of us 😜
@@benjordan3497 Thank goodness for those folks 😉!
I never buy new bikes but I love finding a deal on a used bike that most would overlook.
Thanks for the video. I have owned a 2006 model Blackbird from new and have toured extensively through 5 states of Australia over the last 17 years. I find my Blackbird a well planted yet spirited sports tourer and will never sell it.
In 17 years and 70,000 kilometres I've only ever had 3 small issues, 2 x blown fork seals, an issue with the ground in the right hand switch block, and I had to replace the fuel pump as it was failing. Other than that just the standard consumables. Love my girl.
@@peterbrockman161 Right on, Peter! They are great bikes. Thanks for sharing your experiences. Cheers!
I've got a 2004 model and thought about getting a earlier model, I think you convinced me to stay with the one I have. Fantastic bikes, maintenance can be difficult in places but overall one of the best bikes Honda produced. Thanks for the video!
Right on, you're welcome!
They are a classy machine, i have owned busas and zzr,11s, both great in their own right but my present 2003 model xx is ahead of them both for ride quality and smoothness for long distances.
Right on!
Lovely smooth bikes that you could do big miles on. You weren't kidding about the wind, you could really see the trees move at the end - like your reviews 👍🏻🍻
Thanks, Nick!
I bought a -00 blackbird 2 weeks ago, amazing bike.
Awesome!
Have a 98 in Thailand. Love it. Covers long distances effortlessly. Re the dash, I like having the Speedo front and centre, I think speed is more important than rpm, so easy to go twice the speed limit if not watching. Also I noticed on various videos that the digital instruments can wash out in string sunlight. For both dials the needle angle gives instant info. I do use the tach a lot to confirm if I'm in 5th or 6th when pottering along at 50/60 mph. Been riding bikes for 63 years, and the Bird is the absolute best, whether going 20 miles for morning coffee, or doing 400 miles in one day.
Right on, Rick! Being as tall as I am (6'-4") might impact how easily I can read the dash. Even when the speedometer is central on the earlier bikes, the numbers on the dial are too small for me to read at a glance, unlike the large digital display, likewise with the tach. At speed, I want to spend as little time looking down as possible. It's not a problem, really, but riding the two bikes back-to-back, I felt the later dash was a functional improvement. All of the Blackbirds are great bikes. Cheers!
Excelente comentario, tengo 40 años, tuve una Suzuki Bandit 600 y estoy mirando la xx única mano del padre de un amigo, tiene 40mil km. Y no sé qué hacer.. leer que usted lleva tantos años andando en bike y dice esto sobre la xx me lle de emoción. Creo que la compraré
The 2003 machine is slightly slower in roll-on performance probably due to the fuel mapping reshuffling to pass emissions regulations .
It was. Testing conditions weren't ideal for 2003, but it felt softer in the lower rpm from the saddle as well. I know Honda made changes to the FI system in 2003. Cheers!
99XX has K&N air filter. The 03 XXhas a stock Honda air filter and is more restricted than the K&N. The 99 at red line in 4 th. gear is quicker, air deflector & K&N made the difference.
And also has katalyst....But with a titanium acrapovic 4 to 1 exchaust is faster
That can be easily fixed by using power commander , or ecu re mapping / tuning. With that modifying the bike is smooth and powerfull to ride.
@@superblackbird7889 Right on!
Nice video. I had the first carb model late 96 then a 99 Fuel injected model which got rid of the flat spot the carbed model had at low rpm. I have now just picked up a 2007 model with 10,000km / 6000 miles that I'm doing up. Can't wait to ride it. Should have it registered for the road by June. Thanks again for making the comparison as I've been searching for such a review for weeks.
Rob in Australia
You're welcome, Rob! It sounds like you got a nice one. Good luck with getting it back on the road. Cheers from Pennsylvania, USA!
I’ve got a ‘98. Airframe totally overhauled. Carbs and forks lightly modified. R1 on the back. Valves gapped, both chains replaced. Richening the jetting and opening the sliders removed any flat spots. Amazing power, amazing bike.
Very cool!
Nice Jon. These are both really awesome machines. I always enjoy the "ride alongs" and getting a feel for the different personalities of various bikes as well as your commentary.
I took a nice ride today through the country and was really pushing the limits of my bike on several occasions. Thankfully the mighty KLR didn't get me into any trouble. 😊
Eric in NC
Right on! I'm headed out this morning to the first "breakfast ride" of the year. Cheers!
2 examples of Honda Royalty, in looks and power !
Right on!
Enjoyed the video, Jon. Someday I'm gonna own one. RIDE SAFE OUT THERE!
Right on!
Hola Jhon. Hermosas motocicletas!! Me acuerdo que a.finales de los 90 decian que era la mas rapida .!!
Hola Ricardo. Gracias. Fueron las motocicletas de producción más rápidas en 1997 y 1998. ¡Salud!
they're both great bikes, Jon. Nick
I agree, Nick. Cheers!
I expect these Blackbirds aren't too different than the Yamaha V-Max that a friend loaned me many years ago. I considered the V-max to be an eyesore, but if you were going to "pull her trigger" the horizon had better be far away !!!
Right on! The Blackbird forces you to think way ahead if you're thinking of unleashing it. Cheers!
I got both and they are incredible machines
Bucket list bike for sure.
Right on!
just got mine as my first bike
@@sebabes12345 That's a ton of power for a first bike. Be careful. Cheers!
@@jonsmotorcyclerescueandrev3538 and a lot of weight too. careful.
beautiful bikes Jon .. thx foe sharing
You're welcome!
Got an 04 model with 75k miles, still cruising it.
Right on! They're great bikes. Cheers!
I have the 98 version, my dad has the 2003 version and I'll stick to my carb version anytime. I just like the feel of the '98 bike better.
Nice! I hope to review the carb version soon. Cheers!
@@jonsmotorcyclerescueandrev3538 Awesome, looking forward to the video ;)
@@johankooistra9332 Thanks!
I have a 99 with lenghtend swing arm with caufhman shorty exhaust and i love it. It looks better with swing arm and u can use all the power from a stop if u can keep it from spinning witch it will do through 2nd if u want. its just the perfect bike in my opinion.and they run forever honda needs to bring it back if u looking for bike u want find a better one than a blackbird .
Right on, Donald!
I loved my XX - a 2000. Later fi was even smoother but with CBR all smooth enough. My bike had 163hp, the later one a few less. Very linear acceleration, great power, wonderful build quality.
Right on! They're great bikes!
I love my XX-2 (2002 - I was told the blue ones are the fastest...hehehee)
@@cloudbasenirvana Right on!
@@cloudbasenirvana I suspect mine in any colour was the slowest
@@timrains5011 - hehehee, but I bet she still gave you immense joy.
Both fantastic bikes ..fuel injection models for me are a much smoother power delivery..owned a 96 and a 2002 model and ridden over 40,000 miles touring throughout Europe…
Right on!
I have a 2005 Blackbird and am very happy with it in pretty much every way. The only thing I don't like is (and it's a silly thing to notice or be negative about) the tachometer. It just looks cheap and nasty compared to the rest of the bike, like something lifted from a base model Civic.
But press that starter and hit the road - it is simply sublime.
I can see that about the tach. I'm just happy that it's easier to read than on the earlier bikes. Cheers!
1999 Carb is faster then the later injection version, Because of the catalyst exhaust law was introduced and took 10 hp of this amazing bike. I love my 2003 model x
The 1999 is FI as well (first year).
From Spain, thank you very much for the video; I really don't care if the '99 or the '04 is better, I don't think you can finish either; I am a happy owner of a 2003 that I bought in 2015 for a ridiculous price with only 15,000 miles and that I will probably never change; as you say, depreciation makes it easier to access these gems, but not all of the second-hand market is worth it. For me, this Honda is simply the best motorcycle in history, I can't find a possible comparison with any other. It only has the drawback that you stop being interested in other new motorcycles, the illusion dies because you are already at the top. And it also requires close monitoring of the radars...😉
Right on! It's nice to find a bike that you truly enjoy. Cheers!
Just my input into the handling of the 99 bird could be down to front tyre pressure. Mine if its low tends to pull the handle bars into the corner. Think pressure is critical for the handling.
For sure, tire pressure is critical to good handling. I think with stock suspension settings and fresh tires, the handling would be great. I checked tire pressure before the ride so at least that can be eliminated as a factor. Cheers!
I definitely agree.... regarding front tire pressure!!❤
I haven't had the opportunity to ride a Blackbird but did have a ZX12R back in the early 2000's, it was mega. Unfortunately I broke it in half whilst in Spain chasing a Fireblade. I managed to get away with a broken collar bone and a bruised ego.😫I keep thinking about getting another one though.
I'm glad you made it out of that with only a broken collar bone! I have such a hard time resisting the temptation to open it up on the big-bore sportbikes that it's good for me to only ride them occasionally. They make ridiculous speed too easy. Cheers!
@@jonsmotorcyclerescueandrev3538 Cheers Jon, I'm really enjoying your channel and look forward to your next vid. Stay safe, there are too many drivers out there looking at their phones instead of the road.
@@davapod Thanks, I'm glad you're enjoying the channel!
I own a 97 xx and a 00zx12r 1a ,07zx14 ,86 Vmax, the xx is smooth like a porsche 911,and the zx12r is like a Lamborghini more ridged and fast as hell, I like the both for different reasons.
@michaelmartin7073 Right on! I would love to ride a ZX-12R at some point for the reasons you mentioned. I've owned the others you mentioned but not the 12R. Cheers!
Be nice for you to do blog or review for big motorcycle networks- motorcycle magazines ect.. cycle world /Rider magazine /classic BIKE = top reviews you do a great job complete reviews - thankyou great service to the motorcycle enthusiast out here. great content -- thankyou
Thanks, Douglas! I really appreciate the feedback. Cheers!
In fact the 2004 model had many differences from the old model .Bigger radiators, ram air system which provides fresh air straight to the air filter KN and not to the radiator like the old model. BUT the power was reduced from 164 to 152bhp due to catalyst....So your ...duty is to replace the exhaust system with an full titanium acrapovic.....12 kgr less weight...and 20 horses more !!
Right on!
Great content. It was actually the 2002 model that got the upgrades.
Thanks!
I know that but here we are talking about a 2013, I had a 2000 and a 2002 and at 5000rpm the 2002 would hit a flat spot till 5500 rpm and even then it was not the same beast as the 2000. After the freaking cat's that machine was never the same.
Had a99 fi model for years best bike I ever owned
Right on, Stephen!
Me too.. I had one for 20 years very fast and great brakes... Best bike Ever for me...❤
Im Gerald from South Africa ,i have a 2003 fi blackbird my son bought a 1997 carb bird 3 months ago, in a straight line he pulls me up to 2 cond gear at 190 km a hour i go past him, we swoped bikes same result,the fi is much smoother the carb. Puts the power down muc.h more aggresively
Nice! I'm looking to test a carb model soon, so it will be an interesting contrast. The 99 FI bike was more aggressive than the 2003 in this test. Cheers!
CBR1100 2003года после 190км/ч быстрей 1997?
@@user-mr5pk7ip1g Я так не думаю. У модели 2003 года был напорный воздухозаборник, но также были установлены каталитические нейтрализаторы. Я думаю, что 1999-2002 годы были самыми агрессивными во всем диапазоне оборотов.
Question for you here Jon,does both the 99 and 03 bikes have that EXTREMELY ANNOYINGLY LOUD Turn signal indicator noise? Man, that thing irritates me to no end when I hear it! Awesome review Jon! 😊
Great question! Yes, both bikes have a custom installed blinker buzzer. Like it or not, it is an effective way to remember to turn off your blinkers. Cheers!
@@jonsmotorcyclerescueandrev3538 Haha,that’s VERY TRUE! It does indeed REMIND You to turn it off asap! Good point Jon! 😆
Hello my friend and thank you for your very nice video. I would like to ask you something if you know. In Europe we have kilometers not miles, I found a 2005 model and it is in miles, is there a way to somehow change the measurement to kilometers in a mechanic?
@@chrisfkr I'm not sure, but sometimes you can just use an alternate setting on the dash. Did you check to see if you can simply alter the setting on the dash?
The 99 is faster top end, but I prefer the 03, with standard pipes, just suits it better and still has a beefy sound, this honda basically is the same as the new gen3 busa for the price off one years depreciation 😅 I have the busa and just sold my 06 bird and am wondering if I should off sold the busa😮
Right on! Both bikes are overkill for street use. They're the kind of bikes that get me in trouble. Cheers!
Why are both examples lowered? You look like a pretty tall guy.
Great question! I'm tall, but the owner of the bikes is not. Cheers!
@@jonsmotorcyclerescueandrev3538That totally makes sense 😂It must change the geometry somewhat, good for standing quarters no doubt.👍
I'm hoping to pick up a BB by end of Summer. Are you in Central PA? The crappy roads and farms, reminds me of Central PA area.
Yep. I love riding in PA. I'll take the farm roads over traffic any day. Cheers!
@@jonsmotorcyclerescueandrev3538 I’m just outside of Philly. I’d rather be out where you are than around here on a bike too. Fingers crossed I can pick up a BB soon!
@@marcmulhern1736 Right on!
With powercommander 2003 model more power? Or faster than 1999 model ?
I'm sure a Power Commander would improve the powerband on both the 1999 and 2003 bikes. The 1999 seems more responsive at lower rpm, but without a dyno facility, I'm not sure about top-end power. Cheers!
@@jonsmotorcyclerescueandrev3538 thanks for your response,
I was hesitating between the 1999 model and the 2003 model.
I had read somewhere that it refurbishes the engine of a Power Commander 5
environmental dip will be eliminated and more power and torque will be available
after adjustment on a dyno bench
The 40th Anniversary Ninjas are coming to America. Rider Magazine. ZX 1400 to a ZX 400 . Very nice colors.
Yep, I saw a 636 recently in the anniversary colors - absolutely stunning! Very much like the original ZX-7!
The 03 has 12 hp's less than the 1999 because of the catalitic converter.
OMG! Stop already. You're making me miss my 98. 80+K miles I spent on her. Im now down to half the HP on my Nighthawk now. At least it's more safe, keeps me honest.Too bad you can't find a 97 or 98. Comp. between carb. and FI. would be very interesting. I never rode an FI version.
Paul has quite the stable! 2 Birds and all those other Hondas! Wow!
That one knob in the road I'd be carrying the front wheel for 25 yds.
Right on! I have another friend with the carbureted Blackbird (two actually) that I hope to review soon. The knob is fun on a bike I'm used to, but it takes time to get used to an unfamiliar machine. Cheers!
Would Pual be willing to sell the 2003?
I can check...
Thanks, and by the way, I'm more interested in the 2003 Blackbird.
@@ljay890 Understood.
Can't really compare the two simply because there non standard bikes.
Setup (mods) can alter the bikes, and I take that into account and address it in the video. The 1999 handles oddly because of the way it was lowered. The bikes would handle similarly in stock form. The 1999 is much more aggressive in power delivery below 6k rpm with similar mods (both bikes have slip-on exhaust). This is due to revised FI mapping and the addition of a cat in the exhaust on the 2003. The 2003 has much easier to read instrumentation. Both are still fast, fun, smooth machines. Cheers!
I love the fact these bikes exist but they amount to jail-bait in my hands. Why kid myself.
Right on! It's why I moved away from the big-bore sportbikes personally - too much temptation!
If you think tacho is too small should you be driving with your eyesight, I have never heard so much tosh had mines 11 years always clear and readable don't know why you cannot read them
@paddyfarrell7840 I'm 6'-4", so that might have something to do with it. Also, since Honda radically changed the instrumentation, swapping the positions of the tach and speedometer and making each much more legible at a glance, it seems Honda saw the need for improvement as well. Cheers!
Sorry but the carb version is better , ask anyone who has owned both ....the FI version is less bhp and less torque and the carb can be worked on at home ..I currently have a 97 and it's a ballistic rocket , smooth and a joy to do long rides on
I have friends with both. They're all nice and too fast to be truly unleashed on the road. I hope to review the carb version soon. Cheers!
Same . The carb birds are ferocious. I have changed the jets and it’s ridiculous after about 7k
I can’t blv you can get a good bird now for 2k
If only people would realise how good they are you absolutely don’t really need anything else
I think one day the carb birds will be very valuable
Hang on to it 👏🏻
@@xpresscolourart5531 It seems like the prices are going up. Cheers!