Potter and the Clay: Calvinism or Choice?
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- čas přidán 9. 05. 2024
- Kerry Duke deep dives into Romans 9 and looks at the true meaning behind its depiction of the potter and the clay.
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Great lesson. Cleared up many questions I had on this passage.
Great lesson very informative and helpful for me. keep up the good work you are doing
excellent
Here is also a great passage that goes with Romans 9:21-
Jeremiah 18:1-10-This is the word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD: “Go down to the potter’s house, and there I will give you my message.” So I went down to the potter’s house, and I saw him working at the wheel. But the pot he was shaping from the clay was marred in his hands; so the potter formed it into another pot, shaping it as seemed best to him. Then the word of the LORD came to me. He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the LORD. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.
Just reviewed this in class on Wednesday evening. Excellent timing, thank you for sharing.
@@TheTWhite 😊 aaa thank our Lord , with out Him , I’d not be able to answer.
Where in Paul’s letter to Christians in Rome , I. Chapter 1:18-32 does Paul specifically point out just that these passages refer to just gentiles?
This is a very good question. In fact, it doesn’t expressly state such. However, it is strongly implied based on comparative language throughout the letter and Paul’s emphasis on knocking down Jewish arrogance and antipathy.
Note how chapters 2 and 3 compel the reader’s attention to the basic concepts of all have sinned, Jew and Gentile.
@@ronpatton5721 No, he’s speaking of the children of Israel, who KNOWING the judgement of God, that they that do such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.” (Verse 32)
Potter and the clay has to do with the nation of Israel; plurals are predestined in Romans nine also only plurals are predestined in Ephesians 1 “us & we” are predestined and never says “you and I” , never is an individual predestined!
Even though it says, Jacob and Esau , it’s talking about nations, and we know the story of how Esau despised his birthright!
See Romans 9:1-5 for the context
Happily, our Creator’s skill as a Potter was to be exercised far beyond the molding of his initial creation of mankind. The apostle Paul tells us: “O man, who, then, really are you to be answering back to God? Shall the thing molded say to him that molded it, ‘Why did you make me this way?’ What? Does not the potter have authority over the clay to make from the same lump one vessel for an honorable use, another for a dishonorable use?”-Romans 9:20, 21.
6 Yes, some of the Great Potter’s work will be molded for an honorable use, and some, for a dishonorable use. Those who choose to go along with the world as it plunges ever deeper into the morass of ungodliness are molded in such a way that will mark them for destruction. When the glorious King, Christ Jesus, comes for judgment, such dishonorable vessels will include all obstinate goatlike humans who will, as Matthew 25:46 states, “depart into everlasting cutting-off.” But sheeplike “righteous ones,” those molded for an “honorable” use, will inherit “everlasting life.
Romans one is describing how that, even though the Jews had the law and knew the judgement of God, they ran after the ways of the gentiles and committed all of their abominations. That which was known of God was manifest in them.(v.19) So the creation was a double witness to them. It was the children of Israel who ran after the perversions of the Gentiles, showing that they would prefer to satisfy the lusts of the flesh rather than the will of God because sin was dwelling in their bodily members. (Chapter 7 v 18)