Don’t Make THESE Seedling Mistakes
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Advice for growing epic seedlings is overwhelming on the internet - here are a few myths that even@jacquesinthegarden and Kevin used to believe at one point in time, but don't any longer!
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11:13 - Sterilization
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My mom taught me to use potting mix on the bottom of seed trays then seed starting mix over the seeds. It allows for more economic seed starting on starting a lot of plants.
Thats a really good tip and makes so much sense because the seed will start off in the starting mix which is normally a "cooler" soil and then once the roots keep going the potting mix would immediately be available which the plant will love because it searching for water it is searching for nutes too. God bless your mom
What a good idea!!
Thank you I'm going to try this.
Been doing this for years. Much better success this way.
Understood, but honestly just mix peat moss and fine horticultural vermiculite in a 3:1 ratio, removing the large fragments _by hand,_ and your seedlings will do just fine.
I just use blended dried leaves and ground soil (1:1 ratio) with some bone meal as my seed starting mix. Never really understood the appeal of seed starting mixes to be honest. I tell my seeds from day 1, i'm not the best gardener so this is survival of the fittest.
I love this 😂
At least you’re honest and aware haha
I'm going to start talking to my plants
That would be me too! Haha 😂🤣😂
I noticed quite a boost in health for my plant babies when I started testing out bottom watering certain trays with a compost tea made from worm castings. The chosen trays of starts did so well I adopted it as my common practice for all of my starts a few years ago.
I think so many times we can be afraid to try something different from what we were taught or what we've heard is the proper way.
Growing up my grandparent's garden was all till, miracle gro, space plants so cultivator can fit between, and so on.
Now I plant everything pretty close and still have loads of successes among the few failures.
I'm going to attempt grafting tomato plants this year! Saying it here because literally 80% people in my life get that glazed over look when I start talking plants. 😂
if it makes you feel any better I'm interested and enjoyed hearing your story but I had glazed over eyes too because im sleepy. Maybe some people you talk to are just sleepy.
@@thugpug4392 , lol
Good luck I hope it goes well! Most people have no idea what I’m talking about when I talk basic gardening so I know the glazed over look well! 😉
@@ginnysulya9805, yes and so often I get the why grow something you can get at store comments.
I've bottom watered my seedlings with compost tea too! They love it!
And good for you & good luck with the grafting attempts!
What I love about the epic gardening seed cells is they make transplanting things with tap roots SO easy thanks to the larger hole at the bottom! So I've had no issue with like my sunflowers. (No, I was not paid to say this 😂 just a fan.)
So satisfying to POP them out right?
We've been learning a lot about gardening from the Epic Gardening team! I am a teacher who has started the journey of getting clean food to our small community and my students love your channel! Thanks for helping make the tricks of the trade accessible to everyone! Ps: My students love the Kevin and Jacque Duo and call them the "Sprouts twins"
I also ran into problems using sterilized mix, whether store bought or sterilized myself using the oven. There's a lot of mold in the grow shelf environment since this is an older house, so it would always colonize the sterile soil and damage my seedlings. I decided to switch to homemade leaf mold and compost, to force the mold to compete with the native fungi and microbes, and I haven't had the same problem since.
Sterilized mix is expensive, and when I tried to make it myself, it's a waste of electricity. It also smelled quite bad, since I accidentally overcooked it.
another banger of a video guys! Loved how Kevin addressed the sterilizing soil. It makes me so sad to see videos when they are microwaving the soil lol bc soil is supposed to be FULL of life. For instance, like Jacque’s trick of adding castings to his soil, that just adds a nice boost of soil fertility and is beneficial to the very diverse and complicated soil food web!
If anyone is interested in knowing more about the ecosystem in our soils, I recommend the book called “Teaming With Microbes” by Jeff Lowenfels. Such a good read about the complexities of soil and how they interact with plants! Btw, this isn’t a promotion, I just really like soil science….its neat
Another myth, though you touched on it, is one tomato or pepper seedling per container. I'll start maybe 10 or 15 seeds in a 2-inch container. After they get their first set of true leaves, I'll separate them out. Saves so much space! I also stopped using seed starting mix which saves me money. Potting mix with a good dose of worm castings works great for me. Considering a lot of farmers sew right into the ground, why are home gardeners being taught to be so overly cautious!? Thank you for clearing up these myths.
Solo cups work well for this. 1 pack of tomatoes or peppers fits one cup
Well home gardeners are taught to be so cautious for the same reason this guy says 2 seeds per container ='s 99% germination instead of still 90% of 200 seeds instead of 100, MONEY!!!!
@@THiser-yq4vf, I get close to if not 100% germination on my tomatoes and peppers seeds planting them this way, and save the extra money by not using seed starting mix, and even more money by saving the seeds every year. Tomato and pepper seedlings (along with basil and many others) are very hearty and easily separate when they're started together. I grow in bulk, so when I'm planting 200 plus tomatoes and peppers (I sell my extra plants), I have had to learn to be economical on space and soil.
Another upside to the multiple seeds per cell is that you can select the fastest growing or best looking of the group to move upwards.
I only recently learned the power of having some compost/worm castings in your seed starting mix. HUGE (pun intended!) difference in size from those that were grown in a sterile mix. Plus, they need less fertilizer when they start geowing robustly!!! Win-win!!
Do you make your own mix. Promix, worm castings and vermiculite. What ratio do you use, someone suggested 1 part promix 1 part worm compose, 1/2 vermiculite. Does that sound like a safe mix?
How long do you let your seedling stay in the tray?
@@gavincotter9326 until the are ready to be transplanted outside!
@@GreenLove1 ah the gardener answer. Is it like a two true leaf thing or just a “feel” thing I’ll learn over time?
@@gavincotter9326 sorry, if I came across as cheeky! I wait until they are pretty big before I transplant. Take a look at the seedlings that are sold in the big box stores and nurseries...those are usually ready to transplant - 6 or 8 leaves at least for tomatoes, peppers etc. Tiny seedlings really struggle to establish and also much more prone to pests eating them since they're so fragile. Does that help?
I start about 80% of my seeds indoors and for that I sterlize the growing medium - simply to help reduce the possibility of fungus gnats. But trust me, if I had a longer growing season to seed start outdoors - or could add a green house to my yard, I would skip all that. Fun vid - thank you.
I laughed when you started talking about trimming the roots.
I do quite a bit of hydroponic growing, and root pruning is an accepted practice. I was nervous the first time, but now i can whack away with the best of them 😂
I like using biotone starter in my starter mix. But I also use composted and filtered soil mixed with coco coir, worm castings, vermiculite, and just a little of the biotone fertilizer. I know you can start with less, but when I have plants that I'm starting inside three months ahead of time, they need more than just the seed food.
I have to start sunflowers inside and transplant out because of bird pressure. They love to eat the newly sprouted sunflowers. After they are about 2 weeks old and a few inches tall I have been successful in transplanting them outside without much stress or stunting. Otherwise I get no sunflowers.
Strangely though the sunflowers that come back on their own don't seem to be bird bait!
I put little mesh berry baskets over my sunflowers, peas and beans until they are about 2-3" tall. Works great if you want to try direct sowing again in the future.
I like to include neem cake (neem seed meal) and some micronized azomite in my seed starting mix, which is mostly coconut coir. Plus a bit of yucca extract and innoculant and perlite.
I have been planting so many seeds during the weeks of rain in San Diego. I miss being out in the garden so I may have gone a little overboard ! I really like the epic six cell and 4 cell packs as well as the strong trays. I don't have to worry anymore about carrying a tray of seedlings and having the tray buckle and the seedlings end up all over the ground. Thanks for making such a nice durable product!
I have learned so much from your channel and Jacques channel. Growing seedlings under lights was a new concept 5 years ago for me. The germination rate of seeds drastically improved with your seed trays. I wish there was a bigger size for tomatoes. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Try plastic cups, like Solo cups. They can be reused for years and then be recycled. They are a great size for tomatoes.
I'm so envious
I'm sitting in zone 4ish with 10+' of snow
This year I'm trying seed starting in cotton balls🤞
Even though I've been gardening for over 30 years. I've certainly learned a lot from my mistakes but for some reason I always start fretting this time of year. Thank you for the great advice.
Me too!lol
The only time I've sterilized my soil I when I know it has pests in it and I'm bringing it inside, especially since my grow room is in my closet I really don't want any fungus gnats or anything in there.
Great tip about sieving potting mix. When I used pure seed starting mix I found it really hard to get the right fertilization after the seeds sprouted. I now use a mix of Espoma potting mix and Jiffy seed starting mix and I just pick the big pieces of wood out of the way -- sieving will be more efficient. I am sure that Promix or other good potting soil would work just as well -- Espoma was just what I happened to have. I have used Promix for my winter sowing with good results, and those seedlings get no supplemental anything. Also, don't despair if your tomato seedlings look terrible, they are remarkably tough plants like most vines. Mine turned purple and spindly last year due to lack of proper nutrients but once they were in the ground they took off and produced well.
Epsoma products are the very best! Never disappointed when I use them. Of course, Jiffy is another established, well respected name in the gardening world.
I am using my own seed-starting mix for the first time 🤞. Seed starting mix never made sense to me for all the reasons mentioned here. If I can get my purchased inputs down to just a bit of perlite, I will be very happy. I made a blend of homemade compost, vermicast, and homemade biochar and let it charge over the winter. Can’t wait to see how it performs.
🌺Aloha Kevin/Jacque, I just love my white house (greenhouse) just like the two of you so many things growing. Started a lot of seeds, focusing on a lot of flowers this year. I still need to get into thinning out some seeds especially my carrots, but then again I grow mini ones. Have a great growing season. See you two in your next video.🤩
Such a great quality video! Thanks, guys!
Great video, Kevin and Jaques
One other myth seed heat mats are necessary. They help speed up germination, but they are not necessarily needed. I started using them for the first time, 20+ years this season, and honestly, I failed to take seedlings off quickly, and of course, they did not make it.
Back to not using heat mats for me. 😅
This actually depends on the plant species. Some will not initiate germination until they hit a high enough temperature target (mostly applies to species that overwinter as a seed). These are plants that usually germinate in summer at 80+ degree surface temperatures.
I'm so happy that my laziness and inconsistencies are actually helping my garden grow! 🤣 I'm rough with the seedlings, I haven't mastered my watering technique (I'm guilty of super light seedling trays, oops) and I've always started root veggies indoors. But I'll definitely be more conscious of the tap root as I ignored that part completely. Thanks as always for great content and I liked the format of this week's video as Kevin and Jacques set up/handed off the topics to each other!
I didn’t know a whole lot about different soil types when I started to plant my basil and thyme seeds and they’re doing fine in the potting mix! Maybe a little slow now that they’re up, but it didn’t seem to hinder them. Maybe it helped that I checked on them every day to make sure seedlings weren’t getting covered by soil, but I basically just plopped it in dirt and waited
Great and informative video.
I learned the root thing with transplanting a bunch of neglected iris rhizomes.
Great video and good point. It's totally fine to be a little rough with your seedlings when you plant them. You can always cut back some of the leaves to compensate for the loss of roots. Have an abundant new season! :D
Great info. I had always been too lazy to ‘cook’ the soil in my oven. Just the thought of teeny tiny creatures in my oven just creeps me out. Besides like you said, eventually (and hopefully) the seedlings will need to survive and grow outside in ground.
I add a little worm casting to Pro Mix. Yes, you may get a little algae which I think may be caused by worm castings but I’d like to know there is some food there if needed. Though I use to touch the soil for moisture I now just lift the tray or pot. I tended to over tend my seedlings and cause more damage than good.
When you know everything being said, but realize you don't do them all!
Thanks for the back to basics guys...perfect timing, great advice and reminder!! 👏
Good video. I stopped using potting soil and just use compost.
Thank you.. really helps me keep my ole' mind "in the game" ... I get to wade through much ignorance and thankful for you guys who are well versed and share... wish I could help back.
I put worm castings in my seed starting mix
Badly need this. Thank you so much! 😊😊
Thanks for another great video! :)
I use ProMix or Bm2 to germinate seeds cover them with vermiculite. Bought 200 dlls from botanical interest 2 days ago, when can i expect my seeds to arrive? Have been using your seeds since 2021. Love it
We should have them out today or Monday! We're working through a backlog of orders right now and have all hands on deck at our warehouse. Thank you for your order, your support means the world to us - Kevin
ProMix is my go to soil mix!
Love your content!
Can anyone recommend a good gardening channel that experiences winter?
It would be cool to see you guys start seedlings in different types of soils and see how they differ if you haven't made a video already
I appreciate the tip about seed starting mix, but even that heavier soil is fine. You should do an experiment to prove it. In my experience with high quality seed, that heavy soil with chunks of wood barely inhibits seeds. I don't see a noticeable difference, even with lettuce and carrots.
Love the bright red seed starter trays! I don’t see them on the website, are they coming up soon?
How I start seeds is, I use regular potting mix in a 4 in pot, sprinkle seeds on top, then cover them lightly with seed starting mix. This eliminates potting up into larger pots and the seeds can easily push up through the shallow layer of seed starting mix.
I went through an post traumatic overwatering phase. Before I learned about soil hydrophobia, I would water not knowing that the soil was just running down the sides of my pot and not absorbing into my soil. Plants died and when I found out I said that’s never happening again, so I overcompensated by overwatering 😅
Nice to see the sterilisation myth addressed. This comes from hydroponic growing and totally misunderstands the principle of "the living soil."
Hi,thanks for the video.i have started some Roma tomato seeds,and being on the safe side,I placed 2/3 seeds per hole.they all germinated and healthy.question is,can I disturb tomato roots just like u did to the onions? I am thinking about separating them and giving each a personal pot
Thanks!
Do y’all have a troubleshooting video for direct sown seedlings/plants?
Left San Diego 11 years ago. Cold had a new meaning. Watching people wear winter clothes in cool weather while I've adapted to a hoodie in 15° is hilarious to me now.
I swear I walked by your place daily when I lived in SD.
Thank you for making this video! Proper soil is everything in gardening
I had actually forgotten some of the tips you mention, the timing of the video is perfect!
I've learned to heat the moist soil when reusing it. Lost a bunch of germinated seeds to wire worms
Can I start seeds in a leaf (decomposed leaves only) compost? If not can I use it mixed with some seed compost (equal parts) with worm castings?? I live in south east Pennsylvania. Thanks
Another fantastic post. Great going guys!!
BTW, I love the new 4x4, 16 cell epics. can you guys make a 8x16 tray? or maybe 8x8. and of course make sure they fit in your 10x20s.
Good to see you guys didn't wash away with all the atmospheric rivers :) Thanks for the good advice - as a beginner, I definitely fall in the over baby category if I know about it lol.
would you recommend bushdoctor coco loco for starting seeds? have some left over from my last grow
Ok i just asked one of your followers what is a good mix for seedlings. I've always used just seedling mix but am now hearing that it's better for the plants if you mix up 1 part of a good potting mix like Promix potting soil, with 1 part compost worm castings and 1/2 part vermiculite. Any advice is appreciated
I've also found that using a coir based mix has significantly fewer issues with fungus gnats. Most peat based mixes have been nothing but trouble in that regard since they can get into the bag while it's in storage.
I have over 150 tomato and pepper seedlings almost ready to go into my garden. I’m using ProMix for my seedlings, but I started my seeds with a Aerogarden Farm.
I stopped using pro mix after shaking 3/4 of the bag out of non composted lumber chunks. At least started mixes are usually better sifted
Starting seeds in no nutrient soil has it's advantages. An earlier start, guaranteeing a full crop are two reasons.
But,
Answer me this. When planting a seed does it know if it's in a 72 cell tray or the ground?
And will both germinate?
I've got volunteer wave petunias growing vigorously in a drain that runs along side of my paver patio, and it
ain't sterile. And we are in Maine.
Great video, TYFS
Ive got nearly a thousand soil blocks pubched out and planted into.
Hundred bunches of green onions, couple flats of lettuce, one of spinach, mustard, collards, chard, chijimisai, and a few kinds of strawberries.
Have a couple flats of different peppe varieties, and a few different herbs. Trying turnips in blocks even.
Going to pick up some more perlite and vermiculite so i can punch out another thousand blocks this weekend.
EPIC.
@@epicgardening After selling some plant starts and veggies, I'm going to buy a standing soil blocker.
My hands ache in advance of the weekend
Edit: One day later: My hands do indeed ache today.
Thanks for the videos
In your experience, would a few seeds in one cell Discourage leggy seedlings? Zone 6b East Coast USA and we don't have a green house so indoor starting w. heat mats and lights that are hung low and fan. Eric and Jacques thank you. I'll watch your suggested video.
THANK YOU!! Feeling a little bit more confident and fingers crossed I'll grow more than 2 BLT's worth of produce this year! 🤣On my way to watch the stunted video! ...because I'm the one who also grew the mini art beets last year 😅
Like a surgeon.. made me laugh! I put seedling trays and small plant pots in the dishwasher😂
I always put fertilizer in my soil when starting seeds. Always had nice strong healthy plants
take a shot every time jacques says “actually” 😂😝💕
Can’t wait to get started. Z 5-6 with snow today 😤. It will still be awhile before I can get started lol 👵🏻👩🌾❣️
I've been using Espoma Organic Seed Starter the last few years. I like it because it is ready to use - worm castings and beneficial fungi (mycorrhizae) already in the mix
Epsoma is a wonderful company. I've been using their products for decades.
I've made the mistake of sowing all my carrot seeds in one big box for later transfer. What do I do? :O
After germination then plants are 1 to 2 inches but turning yellow leaf 🍁 what can you do to bring back to healthy plants again? Keep in mind I’m a stay at home mom that makes no money.
How often should you water seeds that you are starting in cells indoors?
For the best nutritional value, (putting all that work into gardening, might as well have nutrition) it's important that the soil is alive with microbes, fungi and beneficial bacterial. I'm learning that there are some options out there.
I’ve had SO MANY SEEDLINGS die from damping off. Like… 90%. I finally figured out what it was but it was tough Googling “seedlings dying at 1” tall shriveled where stem meets soil” 😂. I learned I need to use only seed starting soil since it’s treated to kill fungus that’s causing them to die. So… fingers crossed for this year!
I disagree Kev, I believe when you treat your crops with love they produce more, however everyone's experience is different. Love your content I hope one day my channel reaches the level your channel is at one love from Jamaica. #staygreen
you pronounced 'cotyledons' like it was a freaking dinosaur, man! :D
Super double take! Latin words are hard to pronounce and that was a unique interpretation. 😂
Your pronunciation of cotelydon is making me thinking of the chamomile 'exchange' haha. I've always heard it pronunced cot-uh-lee-don
I’m starting to think he’s trolling us!
Very educational, thanks for posting this video.
Well I’m not putting up with gnats and aphids again this year. Over the years there has been a change in the potting soils. It doesn’t matter the price either. Never had bug problems until last year, above all aphids as we don’t have them outside either.
Started some lettuce inside with what is supposed to be a great potting soil-gnats again! Threw them out.
We have an old roasting pan and any soil coming back in the house will be baked outside first. The eggs are in compost and I think some process must be left out in creating the potting soils.
Those plants will get all the beneficial stuff they need in a few weeks when they get transplanted. Not starting too soon either as there is no benefit. I think some will agree especially if they don’t have a greenhouse. I have one and may just wait closer to spring and heat it then. The bugs are still a problem either way though. This latest infestation I seen the larvae that was just about to turn into an adult-they are huge! They can eat a lot of roots! I have propagation trays also and I just can’t have that.
I think I tried every mentioned natural process to rid the seedlings of those bugs last year and either they don’t work or just slightly controls them. It was horticultural oil at the hardening off phase that finally worked. This time I used insecticidal soap and that has worked, but it was on ornamentals only and prefer to not use it on food.
Winter sowing would be another option for most vegetable seedlings except peppers and onions the rest will catch up in my area. Just mainly want the mess kept outside and plants to stay bug free.
I simply dig my yard and plant the seeds or starters. I don't use any special soil or anything. They grow beautifully. All the "buy this" or "buy that", is above MY pay grade. So I don't. I rot the kitchen scraps in water, and use that water on the starter plants. After that, they're on their own. I plant, and let God do the rest. Yes, I water when there's no rain, and do a bit of weeding now and then but that's it. I do appreciate many of the tips y'all give.
Great video, thank you both. I have a question for you about soil in general. I'd love your opinion. I've been gardening quite a long while here in France;) Meaning , I don't garden in the US, nor use any of those commercial products or, tbh, understand the terms.
When I hear "potting mix", or "compost" (for me, a huge outdoor double volume cocktail of dark and green material + kitchen scraps+/- molasses) better yet "planting soil" I don't know what you mean. When I buy "soil" that's the term used., Terreau/Soil. I'd love to have your take on the question (whenever you have time...)
I didn't make this video, but can offer this info: Finished compost is what is used. Some people make their own, some buy it already finished and ready to use. Potting mix is for potted plants, though some people use it for starting seeds. Seed starting mix is for starting seeds (some people make their own). Garden soil is for adding to the soil in the garden. The thing is, many people use different products in different ways, so it can be a bit confusing. Probably the best thing to do is to go to a garden center and discuss with them. They'll know what is proper for where you live, and what names are used there for different products. This is what I did when we moved from one zone to another. Hope you enjoy a wonderful garden for your efforts!
When can we expect to see all those different colors 6 cell trays ?
Sterilization is really important if you have root knot nematodes, its the main reason i do containers with over 7 acrees of yard.
Can seeds from last years order or even older ones be viable to use this spring? I still have a lot of tatsoi and kohlrabi seeds left over! I have no problem supporting the great seed companies i've partnered with but I cannot ethically waste them if it can be avoided!
3:00 There's actually a lot wrong with using peat moss based seed starting mix, is there not?
Correct, the peat disaster has not made its way to the states. I know in the UK they are trying to curb usage commercially and residentially.
Imo coco coir is way better anyways, doesn't require the ph buffering, absorbs water way faster and also drains faster, and doesn't get that compact top that sheds water down the sides of the pot. Basically impossible to overwater in a half perlite half coco mix.
No, not really. Only if you let it dry out completely.
Wow a bubble boy reference, wasn't expecting that
the way kevin pronounced cotyledon like a dinosaur 😭
When will pink seed trays be back??? I can't buy any other color now that I've seen them 😭
It would be nice if you included some soil block seed starting tips too, a decent amount of these only apply to seed starting trays.
But still a great video, thanks
Neither Jacques nor myself use soil blockers, so we don't have great tips there yet!
No worries, just wanted to point it out as a potential improvement since I know you are extending the Epic Ecosystem and featuring other creators in the videos.
You guys are great, keep up the good work!
Regenerative Gardening with Blossom and Branch has a lot of videos about soil blocking.
What is your thoughts on the gmo purple tomatoes?
I want those pink 6-cell trays! 😍
Question? Can you transplant tomatoes once they have fruit, I have tomatoes growing in a low raised garden and I want to change garden around and was wondering if I could dig around them, grab them out and then replant in new garden bed?
The plant might go into shock and stop producing. Not impossible, just might risk the rest of its growing season. I’m sure others have done it with success!
@@ameliathorp7508 Ok I will wait until end of season to re set up my garden haha just over eager 🤣
What is 1/4" hardware cloth and where does one find it?
Found it at home Depot in the garden center. It's basically fencing with a square 1/4" pattern.
Do you have a video about starting seeds without a green ouse? With heat matts and grow lights? This video was about starting seeds in a greenhouse, which most of us do not have. Just thought I'd ask. I don't have a green house, but I enjoy your videos. Thank you.
Same principles apply. Only thing not touched on is that depending on your setup your seedlings may get leggy so you'll need to find info on dealing with that.
Also you might consider sterilizing your soil to avoid fungus gnats but it isnt a necessity.
I needed this - myths are repeated so frequently, that you can buy in to a fake "truth."
Hi, love your advice. Just a friendly heads up. Chamomile is pronounced KA MO MILE, not sham mo mill lay.
What does zone 10b mean?
Cotyledon is pronounced in four syllables Cod ah lee don. Sorry, it hurt too much to not say anything. Thanks for all you share, I love your videos.
I thought the same thing, 😂 I had to check if I was saying it wrong my whole life.
Do you believe it is necessary to disinfect all the trays with the bleach solution to avoid pathogens? I just planted all my seeds in the cells and I did not do this…
Whoa, is that a nasturtium by that cold frame? 😮
Thank you 💖