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We observe propane, methanol and other flames under see-through head
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In this episode we continue experimenting with the transparent cylinder head and fueling the engine with various substances to see how they burn.
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Try to run a stock engine on oxi-acetilene mix untill it goes bang 😁
It would go bang immediately....it would backfire the instant where the load inside the cylinder burns
Hahaha, my god it would instantly be violent!
@@huey-fan8335 not true man. I honestly thought the same thing, but I did it with a Kohler 16 hp single cylinder air cooled engine. After many times showing friends it finally did blow a head gasket, but still runs. The trick is to start spinning the engine over before you open the torch head valves.
@@carsonhammond6204 but if you just hold the torch head into the Intake of a Single cylinders guess what happens? You suck in extra air, thus lean out the mixture and not running a pure oxy-acetylene mixture! If you do it in a 4 cylinder car, with a quite voluminous intake manifold and just running pure oxy-acetylene without extra air, the intake manifold will explode with quite a bang
@@carsonhammond6204 That's no longer Ace/Oxy. That's just Acetylene + air, which works fine.
Since you guys are into making all these crazy engines, I think you guys should give a 5 stroke engine a go. Normally they are a 3 cylinder configuration with the 2 outer cylinders being smaller, totally normal 4 stroke cylinders with the center cylinder being a single, larger, expansion cylinder that basically takes the exhaust strokes from each of the smaller cylinders and continues to expand on whatever's left.
This could technically be achieved with a bog standard 4 cylinder engine and minimal (well... compared to what you guys normally do) modifications. You could use cylinders 1 and 4 as power cylinders, and then use cylinders 2 and 3 as a combined expansion cylinder. The first and last cylinders on the engine... leave them 100% stock... no modifications necessary. Cylinders 2 and cylinders 3 would need their cam lobs to be modified so that they both open their exhaust vales whenever cylinder 1 or cylinder 2 open an exhaust valve. Then the entire exhaust side of the head should be connected... basically a normal cast log manifold, but rather than using it as an exhaust, you just plug it... we want the exhaust from cylinder 1 or cylinder 4 to enter both cylinders 2 and 3 at the same time. Then the intake cam lobes on cylinders 2 and 3 need modified to open on both cylinders during the intake stroke of cylinder 1 and cylinder 4. So the lobes on cylinders 2 and 3 would be double sided on both the exhaust ports and the intake ports. Finally, chop the intake runners out of the intake for cylinders 2 and 3 and replace them with exhausts.
Boom... 5 stroke engine.
Would it run? Most likely yes... Would it be any better than just running on 2 cylinders? Well you guys already made a 2 cylinder Lada engine, so.... give it a shot and see! Who knows how well it would do! Could be great, or it could be hot garbage! XD
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interesting idea! 👍🍺🇬🇧
Okay I have to videos out!!!
I think the separate particles you were observing happened to be the plexi-glass gassing and burning. Some plexi-glass residue can slow down the flame front and obscure the true flame color of the different types of fuel. Thanks for the video! It was interesting!
Very interesting! In High School, we built a 2.5 liter Oldsmobile engine that ran ONLY on Compressed Gasses, with zero air from atmosphere, using Nitrous Jets to get the proper ratios. It worked great for 10 seconds. We revved it. Then we picked up the piston rings and cleaned our shorts.
It'll idle fine. It'll be very happy coming off-idle. Maybe a bit too much nitrous in the mix, and it'll turn at 14 grand for about a second before the poo comes out of you and the motor, at about the same time.
"I wanted to see what would happen if I just pinned it wide open".
"It was running on co2, oxygen, propane, compressed air, helium, nitrous, and one of Dan's sausage and peppers farts. What did you think was going to happen?!"
"That. hehehe". (points at carnage)
Why in the hell would you be injecting a completely non-flammable fuel such as CO2 into an engine? There's absolutely no oxidized or fuel source contained in CO2.... 🤔 🤷🏻
By the way.... Oldsmobile never made a 2.5 liter 4 cylinder.
Pontiac was the one responsible for the 2.5 liter "Iron Duke" 151c.i. inline 4-cylinder that was used in MANY of the fwd G.M. platforms from all divisions from the late 70s through the early 90s.
I have a special spark plug kit I purchased for my KMZ Dnepr MT-11 Sidecar Motorcycle. Instead of ceramic insulator it has heat resistant glass. It allows viewing the color of combination inside the head and cylinder while it's running. It's used for adjusting the carburetor. It makes it easy to adjust the idle circuit because at idle the flame should be blue. Above idle the color should be orange. There is a color chart to help set the high speed circuit. Here in the USA the kit is called Colortune. I ordered mine from Kiev Ukraine along with other parts for my KMZ Dnepr motorcycle. It's not as impressive as your clear head but does allow watching what is happening inside and it will not be damaged from running like plastic. I just wonder if a bore scope camera could be used with the glass spark plug to make a video of internal combustion. There are lots of videos of the use of the Colortune kit on CZcams.
thread size and pitch? aka will it fit 🇺🇸 or aircraft engine's ? 14mm or 18mm plug holes ?
Wow. Thanks for showing us something that almost no one gets to see. One of the least seen sights on earth considering the billions of times it occurs every day. Even most mechanics never get to see what goes on in the cylinders.
Shout out from America
With some of the other fuels, adjusting the timing helps with cleaner burning as they need to be ignited at different points of compression, but I'd say propane's the nicer burning, as it's already gaseous so doesn't have the problem of there being droplets of fuel (the bright "flares" of stuff burning in the slowmo) trying to keep up with the rest of the burning fuels... :)
There used to be a „transparent spark plug“ called „colour tune“. You could use it to tune/synchronise multi-carburettor motorcycle engines. They had a specific glass between the core and the thread so you could see the colour of the flame.
There still is on ebay - they still make them.
Oh the work going into the head knowing it’s going to get destroyed. These guys are awesome
Can't stop watching this channel love from Australia and a big thanks to the translator 😎
Yeah these Russian dudes do some crazy shit….been a fan of theirs for a couple of years now after stumbling across their channel
@@trentdawg2832 i really enjoy the crazy stuff they do if you tried it in aus everyone would think you belong in the loony bin
Very cool ,Thanks Garage 54
its nice to look inside and see what happened on each cylinder i wonder if with right cooling it would hold longer
One thing about acetylene - I'd expect it to ignite from compression quite early in the compression stroke. (Just a guess, based on the handling precautions for acetylene.) This would keep the engine from running properly, and likely cause some damage.
It needed a bit of Oxygen to help it along.
OOOopppps, not too much LOL
My Grandad told me he got a Model A or T ford back to town on acetylene when they ran out of gas but it took both of them (He and his friend) to make it run well enough to drive it. Great work as always. Thank you for another great video.
I've heard of that happening too. The headlights ran on acetylene
@@BruceLyeg Good info, News to me.
you will need pure oxygen it get those fuels to burn better ,propane needs a fuel preheat so it vaporise better !
Turbo?
@@gabrielv.4358 it would help but more oxygen needed
@@johnfudacz8495 Ok, cool to know
@@gabrielv.4358 thanks if you ever used a propane torch you would feel the tank would get cold .it would freeze going in till it got warm ,and acetiline needs oxygen to burn properly .and methanol slows down combustion!
@@johnfudacz8495 propane's liquid state is 44 degrees below .0 F Vehicles run just fine on propane with no preheating. Now once you get to about 15-20 below you'll start having trouble. But even that's better than diesel which will gel at that temperature.
Drove a propane delivery truck for years. It ran off the propane from the large tank.
The reason your tank gets really cold it's because it's being discharged at a high pressure. And the pressure keeps it in a liquid state.
Slow mo flames looks great
Garage54: internal combustion engine artists 👨🎨
Ole peg be proud you guys feeding it the Cosby sauce 🤣
This is Dominic Thomas from Rhode Island USA. PLEASE BUILD A LADA V8 USE A CRANKSHAFT FROM A V8 BUT WELD TWO LADA BLOCKS TOGETHER AND RENFORCE THEM USE SAME PISTONS EVERYTHING. AND TRY TO GET POWER OUT OF IT AND PUT IT ON A DYNO. AND IN THR FUTUTRE put it in a lada.
This is John from Sydney Australia. Please buy a new keyboard, because yours has many non-fictional punctuation keys and the CapsLock is sticking really badly.
@@johncoops6897 this is Dominic again, not to be a dick but does common sense exist? I clearly did it on purpose I was the 15th comment. I wanted to make sure they saw that shit cuase everyone including you knows damn well that would be straight up, badass.
Now turbo it...
Shout out from India... I love your videos and I'm 16.. glad I can learn from the masters themselves..
Hello bhai
“Propane is a clean burning fuel” - Hank Hill 🤣 that man has thought me a lot about propane. Could be why it looked “cleaner” or “fuller” in the combination chamber like you had mentioned
I'm surprised Hank didn't convert his mower to propane. I tell you wwhat.
@Not Name Yet wow that’s so funny it didn’t even make sense, plus I forgot to laugh 🤣
@@njinthemj52 🤣🤣
Make a reverse suction Lada engine. Exhaust becomes the intakes, intakes become exhaust.
Its easy to do.
You just need to let the camshaft turn in reverse direction.
I already did it:
m.czcams.com/video/qprRJ0tcevI/video.html
Whats the optimum compression ratio for each of the fuels attempted?
You need to find a Glass manufacturer that is willing to make you a custom molded head or a few heads out of Pyrex
👌😂👍that’s one insane experiment! Great content!
I think Propane was a purer burn. Here in the U.S people convert to Natural Gas. Anyway, the slow mo footage is quite something to watch.
Woo!! Roasting that head is great content!
When can we see the dancing girls from the "heating the pool" episode again?
you should make one out of tempered glass, or whatever is that high temp glass that is used.
Would be awesome
I think a simple 2stroke motor might have a better chance of igniting alternate fuels correctly.
Especially with intake injection no2 to rectify the combustion.
You guys should attach a snowthrower infront of a lada and have it powered by the ladas engine
Great simulation.👌
i'd love to see what happens if you put 2 sparkplugs per cylinder and make a slo mo.... and play with spark timing....
That was awesome !
Monster energy like warped perception did 😄
Would be interesting to see a transparent head on a diesel engine
Now this I would like to see.
The compression is so high and internal pressures so high I'm not sure what kind of clear material you could use without blowing the head gasket. I'm not sure you could torque glass or plexiglass enough.
ignition timing to compensate for burn rates, volatility etc. old flat head like that should be able to run on just about anything combustible
Fascinating.
Propane likes boost, and keeps crankcase clean.
I liked how the ether combusted, you can see the vortex in the cylinder.
have you look at a hit and mis engine at the valves and came shaft mechanism? well some of those engines have the intake valve working free (is not moved by the came shaft) and juts the exhaust velve is connected to the came shaft, it is possible to make the same mechanism to a normal car engine (gasoline or/and diesel)?
I can do the same thing you're doing with a lawnmower engine you need to get yourself a set of valves inside the head you made that'll make it a hell of a lot more exciting and more experienced in your alarm or you'll see if it really Scheels properly or not
Whilst your name is ironic, you need to realise that there are different kinds of Otto cycle engines, David.
This is a "flathead" with the valve in the block. That makes the cylinder head nice and simple with the experiment.
To make an Overhead Valve engine, it would be an absolutely MASSIVE amount of engineering to create the combustion chambers, valve seats, rocker arms, etc. The plexiglass head would be totally unsuitable as the material to support those things, and hence the experiment would never happen.
Using a flathead makes absolutely no difference to the results.
Try putting valves and valve seals in a see-through head once you put valves in there and look totally different
Do that but run on acetylene and use oxy through a NOS plate system. Need blast sheild!!!!
Hell YES !!
it's hard to say because there was no mixture control. But i now gasious fuels burn very clean and complete when the air/fuel ratio is controlled precisely, same for ethanol and methanol. The heavier the fuel (longer carbo hydro chains in molecules) the less complete they burn.
By the way, this says nothing about the density of energy of each fuel. Diesel for instance has a high energy density.
next video: transparent engine block
We want to see the 6 cylinder engine fitted in a car, next test drive & drag racing
14:26 It looks like a flying ghost :O
great slo-mo footage
I hope you guys still have that beast… The Ladazilla??? Please 🙏
Notification squad!🔥🔥🔥
yeah !!!! that's awesome!
I believe methanol needs a higher compression ratio to burn effectively, its octane rating is around 110
it needs an afr of 3:1
@@lsxbigblock6524 that too
i wonder what a diesel version would look like?
Where the cylinders are you should use glass inserts so that the plastic doesn’t melt and get distorted it High heat glass like the ones in your wood-burning stove.
Hey i'm watching you from Algeria 🇩🇿 can you please do an engine build out of carbon fiber or only parts of it, and than run it ... all love ❤ 😍
that’s a great idea 👌🏻
It would probably explode but at the same time it would be intresting to see if it infact runs
Very dangerous with fibers my guy
Not feasible and definately not cost effective
Just had a terrible idea. Try cutting valve seats with a step bit and a hand drill.
Its was tiny cracks from drilling the holes. Polish the drill holes and fire and pressure will not have a route to follow after it warms up. But it will eventually melt that plastic I bet.
Oh man where will this go.
You should try NOS next time.
I have an interesting one for you.
Can you make a 4 stroke into a 2 stroke by making the camshaft pulley the same size as the crank?
It should be super easy to test !
From Edmonton, Albert, Canada
wont work because of how the valves open and close
Hell yeah
Should have real stoichiometric ratio for each fuel fed through carburator like real engines.
Lada running on acetylene and oxygen - how fast will it go?
It wouldn't go. Gasoline explodes the pistons down at a minimum of 260C, acetylene burns at 315C, oxyacetylene burns at 3150C and at that heat the cylinder would seize with the rapid expansion and then the gas would melt through the weakest point of the engine. Oxyhydrogen burns at 2500C but it explodes with 8 times the force of gasoline, so that would cause the cylinder to rupture.
use glowplug in carbureted car whether it start in cold condition
How about Model Airplane fuel ??
Would be cool to do this but with Hydrogen. Building an electrolysis cell plus an antireturn device to run the engine solely on watee
So i know getting too into their builds isnt what they do, but the engine would have run on any of those with the proper timing and air fuel ratio
Need to have motor running on gas then add acetylene to the mixture then it should be very reactive
Hey, try putting bicycle disc brakes on a car and see how that works
Do this experiment again with transparent aluminum!
Can you instal 1.meter length con rod piston in lada
You should have adjusted the ignition timing....the ignition timing will be different for each fuel....that why it didn't run on other fuels....flame front on each fuel is different 🤔
Transparent engine block to see how the liquids flow
Hello muy Friends, would be cool to do this but with woodgas, would be interesting, bye.
"Clear evidence." hahahah
Hello #Garage54 Please convert H2o water in to hho hydrogen annd make the engine run on that. Also greetings from puerto rico im another fan of your channel. 😊
Here's an idea! Take a 4 Cylinder engine for example, Separate the intake manifold so there is 1 carburetor per every 2 cylinders, and make 1 half of the engine run on gas and the other half on diesel.
Seems like it could be interesting to see it happen!
This makes me think of what the Cat D2 did. They had a tiny gasoline engine called a "Pony motor" You would start the gasoline pony motor, than it would start the diesel. They needed it because that diesel was very slow to start.
I can tell you what would happen - the crank would snap between 2-3. Pony engines are started, warmed, and then clutched into the starter ring of the bigger motor to spin it fast.
Sir. Change coolant with oil engine. That will be fun.
You should have tried oxygen and the fuels you used, looks like you weren't getting a perfect mixture, especially with the acetylene
gotta find a local Glass maker guru and make you a Glass head.
propane burned the most evenly but acetylene had a stronger light so more hp from it
Next video idea put a head on block without gasket and then weld it to the block and run it
Amazing. Just that. No more.
We really need transparent aluminum! 😛
I have heard that in Indycar, they have alcohol fuel. They need dye so that when a fire starts, it is easy to see. Alcohol fires aren't so easy to see.
3:16 I guess I'd cut a groove and fit a metal O-ring. That might keep the heat away for those bolt holes. Just a guess.
Thanks and good luck. I think it would be funny if you made tires out of teflon. I think I found a way to do it. Maybe you could find a company that rebuilds huge industrial tires. You could then give them teflon where they would usually put the rubber. The tread would be teflon, and that's what would make the experiment funny.
Pure Methanol is very common for short track racing also. Like you said a lot of teams will put dye in it to have the flame more visible.
We've personally done a test with it at home, with and without dye. During the day without dye, we poured a little amount on dry pavement and lit it on fire. In the daytime you couldn't see a flame. You could see the wet spot on the ground disappear as the fire burned the methanol. You can see a flame with a thermal imaging device, but not an actual flame. With the Dye added it helps see the flame a lot easier. It's similar at night time, but at night time without the dye you can kind of see a flame, it's usually a very nice blue. You still have to look for the flame though.
Personally I've known people that was on fire while using methanol and if you looked at them, you could not tell they was on fire. They even said they didn't know they was on fire, until they could feel the heat from the fire and seen their race suit started to turn brown from the fire burning it.
Methanol fuel does burn cooler than pump gas and can help a lot with keeping engine temps down. Like the video says.
Methanol also does not emit an opaque cloud of smoke.
You should add oxy to the acetylene.
i like the videos
so run it on petrol while pumping pure oxygen into the carb from an oxy/acet torch.
Get a super slow motion camera and make it knock
Whould be fun If you rebuild an 4stroke engine to 2 stroke
How fast can you drive with only a gearbox and a starter motor?
A diesel one would be cool to see
diesel with LPG and Diesel with acetone and paint tinner as additive. both have been tried and results were surprising. especially diesel with LPG.
@@coskuarsiray sorry I meant a diesel engine with clear cylinder head
when did you guys start recording in 4K?
Should the methanol not have been pure if its not being used like meth injection
No vodka involved?
Methanol require higher compression at least 13:1.
It'll run at lower, but it is not worth it's disadvantages at the lower ratios