CHEAPEST And FASTEST Way To Get Your Private Pilot License | Less Than 5K?
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- I know, its sounds impossible, but you can do it! We tell you how to get your private pilot license for less then 5K, reduce the cost across the board, and how to get your pilot license in as little time as possible.
UPDATE: We've had a lot of comments about storage costs for the buy and sell option. In reality, if you're trying to move through things as quickly as possible, you can minimize those with a non covered tie down for the 2-3 months you'll be owning the plane. A lot of fields have a waiting list for hangers anyways, my fields is over a year. BUT, I can tie down for about $25/mo. which fits in the overall cost equation.
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First time I have seen the "buy and sell your own airplane" to save money pitched and I cant agree more. This is what I did and I saved tens of thousands over the course of my training up to CFI.
Bought a scrubby PA-28 140 for $19,000. Earned my Private, instrument, the time for my commercial then sold it once I became CFI for $18,500. Then the guy that bought it from me paid me for private lessons so I made MORE money with it.
It was the fastest, least expensive way to do it and OMG is it great to not worry about flight school airplane scheduling, maintenance, inflated costs, etc. The freedom to just jump in MY plane and earn my time was amazing.
I am now sitting right seat in a B767. I owe it to that scrubby little Cherokee.
Thanks for that story. I really appreciate it. Like I said, I've heard of people doing it. It's not for everyone, but it is possible.
Allen Hartzell Hey Allen, I got my A license for skydiving in January and being around aviation for the first time in my life caught the bug. Started training for my private in January and should test next month for it. Was wondering if you would share your thoughts on someone that is just starting out that is considering this as a career change given current circumstances.
@@flywiththeguys absolutely. It is important to emphasize what you said as well. There is a higher degree of risk involved.
I think the big detractor is the fear of taking on the unknown adventure of owning an aircraft. It is much easier to relinquish your training decisions to a flight school.
The cost of entry to buying is a little daunting as well. With out taking out a loan, it can cost $20, $30, even $40k to purchase an aircraft in the first place and many people just don't have access to that kind of upfront cash.
I wad blessed enough to already be employed in a descent paying career that allowed me to purchase everything without loans, but I know that is rare and not possible for everyone.
If anyone has any questions or needs some advice, PM me.
@@jrgfox disclaimer: this is my current opinion and it can change just as fast as the aviation industry is because of the current pandemic.... I could be wrong about everything I say....
I still think now is a good time to get involved in aviation as a career. I know things seem bleak because of COVID but this too shall pass... Just like every downturn before it.
As someone that has left the regular work force to become a pilot, I can tell you it is the greatest job in the world and well worth it. That being said, it is one of the most unclear career paths with many twists and turns to get to FL350. No two pilots have the same training journey just like no two flights are ever the same.
As for the the current downturn, demand has increased in other sectors. Cargo (what I fly), private charter, and business aviation have all seen an uptick. PAX operations will return and there will probably be another large wave of pilots entering the work force when that happens. Get ahead of the curve. Dont wait. By the time you reach ATP level it will be a whole new field. Adapt, overcome, never stop loving flying. Never stop learning.
Allen Hartzell thanks Allen. I have had many older established pilots tell me to buy a plane when I begin my training. I look at Cessna 150s a lot but the acquisition cost plus unforeseen maintenance costs scare me a little. Like you I don’t want to take out any loans for an airplane. It sure sounds easier to transfer that maintenance risk to the flight school but I LOVE flying so I go back and forth. Lol
I just finished my PPL. I have spent around $5500 total. I had a good instructor at $40 an hour, a basic rental Cessna 150G at $89 an hour, and a minimum of instructor time. I took my check ride at 42 hours. However, I took 18 months while finishing high school, as well as a part time job.
Awesome! you saved a lot of money over the average person!
can u share the flight school details you went to?
I went to the FBO at KGRD. I used a part-time instructor and the FBO’s rental C-150. If you live in the area I would recommend it. However, most small airports will have a similar program. Look around for a cheaper plane. You can’t beat the 150 for hourly rate. And look for a good cheap instructor. An option is to ask around about retired part-timers, who will usually work for less .
I live in a very inexpensive area of the country. Also, the FBO does their own maintenance on that airplane, as well as others. I know the mechanic and he does not skimp on stuff. The logs are also very thorough.
T Fernandes Safety is an illusion. Don’t buy into the fear mongers mantra. You can very easily keep a C150 flying safely for that rate by doing A&P work yourself at any small rural field in gasoline country. I once built an extension to my house all by myself. A neighbor is a professional house builder/carpenter. I sat him down in a chair with some beers each time I came to tricky parts in the process, and he happily showed me the ropes. In the end I stepped back to adore my own work. I asked him if it was as good as pro construction. He said: “Nope. Absolutely not. Much superior. Pro’s just know how to build quickly, and how to cheat without compromising quality too much, and while making sure no cheat is immediately visible.” Look at the Airlines. Top level professional mechanics with all the tools, parts, and procedures anybody could ever ask for. Mechanical failures still happen all the time because somebody installed a washer the wrong way, failed to tighten something or like a major airline A320 in the 90’s install the side stick connectors the wrong way around so a bank to the left was done by moving the stick to the right. They found out after takeoff and luckily were quick enough to relearn flying the wrong way instead of potentially doing a wing over at 100 feet. The plane flew the normal way on autopilot so a return and landing was completed successfully.
Bought my license for $250 in India including shipping!
Cool! I'm not flying with you as pilot in command..... Maybe in a flight simulator.
@@flywiththeguys Hey I wouldn't even fly with myself in flight simulator ;)
Lmaooooo
Broooo
Yeah???....well have fun in your homemade flight simulator:).....
My grandfather stuck my uncle in the front hole of his Great Lakes biplane and climbed in the rear cockpit. They took off and trained all day. My grandfather would kick a rudder pedal hard from the back and let my uncle learn how to correct. He had soloed in just 8 hours. There's a lot to be said for staying at it and having an instructor teaching you stalls, spins, takeoffs and landings in one trip. This was in the 30's and that biplane was still a new airplane.
Good instructors will do that stuff. Mine failed my engine ALL THE TIME.
I took your advice and went broke. Bought a Lear 75 and my payments are killing me.
Don't know why anyone would buy a Lear 75 for pilot training. Also don't know anyone who would train you to fly in one. 😂
This video was posted less than 2 weeks. You made the decision on your own buddy.
+jÜRGEN Z'PPdN MrK'ez I believe he was just kidding
@@flywiththeguys Dude --- I want to take you fishing so you can teach the fish how to bite. He was TOTALLY joking...
@@evanwindom3265 I know. =) Thats why I was laughing.
Sweet video. Good topics and wasn’t so long that I went looking for quality information elsewhere.
This will be a huge help to students and anyone who has the aviation “bug”
Thanks John. I appreciate the kind words.
Very informative. I realize I'm not the type to get it done in the minimum hours, but all the other stuff you talked about is very helpful. THANK YOU!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
buying the plane is really the cheapest way to get the license because owning a plane with psychologically promote you to fly more often. Think about this: who here play or learn piano without at least owning a keyboard?
It is definitely risky and not cheap to own a plane.... even a lowly 152! but in the long run, this is really the cheapest way! and if you lease it out, you would get paid for the idle hours also!
Thanks for this. Im very studious anyway and have been learning everything I can before I start. This has been my general plan from the start so it's good to know Im on the right track. I look forward to meeting up with you at KDVT sometime.
That’s the way to do it Johnathan. Too bad we could make last week work out!
*great video!! I agree that it’s definitely possible, I got my PPL in almost exactly $5K, rented a plane at a very low rate from a friend, and my Instructor was so kind he didn’t charge me for ground, plus also I did my written beforehand and studied A LOT on the ground, on my own, before paying per minute in the plane!*
Awesome. I'm glad you shared. There are a lot of people saying it's not possible, but I'm finding the harder you try, the more possible it really is. THANK YOU!
@@flywiththeguys so true!! :)
Can you please tell me how to apply for FAA exams.... I'm from India
@@chandanj2760 chandan bhai Kaha hooo
@@hiteshbhatia3152 right now I'm in Florida, it's been a year since I asked that question 😁
Good tips. I bought a used airplane and put hours on it for 2 years before selling it at a profit. A tip you didn't mention - It's best to rent and take instruction at a smaller less busy non-tower airport. Billing for rental time is based on tenths of an hour recorded on the aircraft tachometer AKA "tach time" Just dealing with ground control, tower and approach can burn up as much as .4 tenths of tach time. @ $150.00 per hour (lesson) that's an additional $60.00 per flight lesson. Not to mention that most controlled field towers give priority to commercial and corporate jets which means that you will spend your training dollars waiting at the end of the runway for the jets to land or circling in the air waiting for inbound traffic.
Thanks for sharing that. =)
Can you help me about this training?
Another important point - At airports with one or more very active flight schools like Fort Lauderdale (FLL) you will have to wait on the ground with your tachometer running up the bill while other student pilots practice touch and go landings and practice approaches.
This can happen. Our airport recognized the problem and created a runup area for the students, and put everyone else at intersection departures. I haven't been held up once for take off since then. Granted, if I was attending the flight school.....
"No matter how you look at it, getting your private pie license is going to cost a good chunk of change" :)
TRUTH!
A good chunk of change is relative.
Mmm... pie 🥧
Yes .... Umm PIE
Yup
Precisely what I recommend to prospective pilots. I always recommend they sell the plane for MORE than they paid for it. I try to do that every time on cars, planes and boats. All that is required is careful, patient shopping for your purchase. A friend of mine bought a Cherokee 140 - 8 gph -two years ago for $14,000 (with $8,100 of recent avionics). He is now up to 405 hours. I have no doubt he will make money on the resale when he goes next to a Mooney or a twin.
I didn't say it, but you typically can sell it for more then you got it for. Aircraft values are on the rise.
One in 1 million
The University of CZcams comes through again. The video and some the comments below are a master class on the approach to flight school. Thanks!
=) Thanks for watching. Funny enough, there are a couple of Universities that link to a bunch of our content.
Thank you! I need this!
Great video!
You're so welcome! Thanks for watching.
For anyone here from Michigan. I have a brother who is certified with 5+ years of experience as a airplane mechanic currently working in the Saginaw area. All certifications are up to date. Loves his job but wants to do something more than his airline. Looking for a mechanic? He’s your man 🙂
This video revived my inner desire...(to fly beyond the horizon)..nice video bro..all the way from Tanzania in East Africa..😊😊
Glad you liked it and thanks! HELLO from the States!
Great video and advice!
Love your channel, you must be an accountant by profession lol
Ex North valley Phoenician here and miss watching the planes fly in and out of Deer Valley airport
Thanks! I'm not an accountant. I did IT work for 21 years and gave it up to do this. =) I love where I live. I'm actually in the Deer Valley Pattern.
Outstanding video...this is so helpful for the aspiring PP.
Glad it was helpful!
Buying the plane, using it, and then reselling it reminds me of a friend of mine that was stuck at the airport in AZ trying to get back to TN on 9/11/01....(the planes were grounded). The rental cars went quick so he found three others on the flight back to TN to go buy a cheap used car nearby, all four pitched in, drove it to TN, and then sold it when he got back to TN.
I like that story. SMART!
Looks like my long lost childhood dream may not be that far out of reach! I plan to embark on this journey once I get my career established as I would want to continue to fly regularly and not have financial constraints be a barrier.
That was one of my goals too. I made it work and now I have this youtube channel to pay for my expensive hobby. =)
That was some mighty large fine print...lol None the less, solid information. Thanks!
TRUTH! But it is possible. The rest of the information is what people really need to hear.
Looking into a license myself. I already had the idea of buying an older plane since I'd be using it to fly around with afterwards anyways. Seems like a win win.
It really can be! Just watch out for those repairs!
The best way is Civil Air Patrol, they have brand new cessnas and it’s $70 an hour wet, and that includes an Instructor
Depends on where your at. Not all CAP Squadron offers primary training.
When I was in CAP we also had to meet military uniform standards. I'm a guy with long hair. I'm not cutting off my hair just to get in a plane.
Sure if you have 30 years available to jump through their hoops
If you don't already have your Private and have a CAP Mission Transport Pilot rating or you're a cadet, you are only eligible to use CAP aircraft to train IF you live further than two hours from a commercial flight school. Per the CAPR 70-1:
"6.2.3.2. All other senior members - requires written authorization from the Wing
Commander, Region Commander, CAP/DO, and the National Commander or designee. Such
authorization can be granted only if the member lives more than 2 hours driving time from a
commercial flight training facility."
You didn't mention that instructors cannot receive payment, so you have to find one who is willing to volunteer their time to train you.
thailand i can rent plane whit teacher or no teacher, 50$/hour include ALL sometime cheapen about has 30$ / hour.
"The way to reduce costs is to minimize the time spent in an airplane during your pilots' training"
My girlfriend's eyes go wide
I mean... you can do 2 hours in an approved simulator, does that help?
Great video, thanks for sharing.
God bless
Hope it helped!
Learning to fly is a bucket list item and I decided to look into it this year. What I've learned from videos like this is aircraft cost, whether renting or owning, is prohibitive. And I don't want to fly 40+ year old planes with steam gauges and carburated engines. LSA's aren't an option in my area. So I'll continue armchair flying.
Old airplanes are great in my opinion. Well maintained ones fly the same as new ones, just generally have newer avionics. Which you can upgrade in any old airplane. =) The airplane cost is the most expensive part for sure, but people still find a way. I budgeted my learning, and now my flying.
Something you forgot to mention is most CFI's charge you for the ground instruction as well as the time in the air and usually at the same rate. This can add .5 hours or more to each and every flight. While flying 2 to 3 hours per flight sounds good, in practice it is extremely tiring for most of us and many CFI's will not fly for that long, either. Have the CFI toss in a few power-on stalls or spins and I, for one, am done for the day. As to buying a plane, I did this. It can be a handful, though. On top of the study and the training you are now taking on the responsiblity of plane maintance
Some do, some don't. I left this out because we have a How to Pick a CFI video that goes over that, and where its such a mix I couldn't put that in here. So I linked it in the video and description.
@@flywiththeguys in 30+ years of flying I've rarely found an instructor that didn't charge ground time. And certainly if the ground time went past .5. When I became an instructor, I was admonished not to cheat myself if I gave a good, sold half hour or more of ground instruction. Plus, what about just ground time that is taken in lieu of air time when the WX is bad? There's a fair bit left out in this calculation of yours.
I got my ticket two years ago using the exact model you described. Overall, it cost me $4,500.00 it can be done!
Thanks for sharing this. I know it's possible, but its not for everyone.
Man can you share details, will really help us guys not in loop with the industry
Can you share your experience please?
Exact model wat was it I got confused...
Good info. Thanks
No problem!
Very informative brother
Glad you liked it!
"What you get is what you paid for. Not always" Yes I agree with this. Most of the time you pay for the wrapping paper.-)
Yep!
Bought a '76 Cessna 152 for $20k before ever taking controls of a plane; 9 hours later I was flying solo; which then I could fly whenever I liked; after 55 hours I took my Private Pilot check ride after 200 hours and three years later; sold it for what i bought it for. Don't forget you have the annual inspection cost; which for me; was about $1,500 a year. Of coarse it was a cheap way to go; it if you can swing the $20k; which is not possible for everyone.
Thanks for sharing this. I'm finding that for every person that says it wont work, theres someone who says they've done it. Understanding that some of the costs are the costs of ownership and don't really fall under the cost of the certificate of course like you kind of mentioned. But MAN, you saved a ton of money in that deal. Congratulations!
Please, where did you get the Cessna 152 for $20k? Thanks
Very good and informative video great presentation thank you
Glad you enjoyed it and thank you!
Cheers for the information
No problem. Hope it helps!
I’m surprised you never mentioned getting with your friend that is a CFI and owns a plane. I have two friends that way that have offered to help me as long as I would pay for fuel only. One of them actually ran a school for colleges with multiple planes and instructors. But he was still willing to help me out, in his own personal time and plane.
Thats one way of working it! This was just to showcase how working different angles to reduce costs can add up!
Great opportunity
Not everyone has friends that are CFIs
I recommend learning to fly gliders first, the hours flown will count towards your PPL and CPL
The hours do count towards total time, but I'm not sure on what the requirements would look like after that, as in how many hours in a SEL you would need to complete the PPL. You happen to know what those look like?
Thanks for the tips
No problem!
Good ideas great detail 👍
Thanks 👍
Hmm... I don't mind "Good Enough" when I'm building my foam board back yard flyer... to get my pilot's license... I think I'll fully invest.
Don't let moving through things quickly or being frugal with your money as a"good enough" way of doing things. Take my local prestigious flight school for instance, they charge over $17K for a private when you can easily get it privately for $13.5K. In the end, All pilots have to pass the same tests to the same standards provided by the FAA.
I just finished my PPL, it took me 74 hours including the check ride and cost $12,800.37. I rented a C172P dry at $85/hr, but fuel at KORL is $5.20/gal. I got cheaper gas whenever I could during cross country flights. In today's age with all the extra electronics and complex airspace I don't think 40 hours is enough to make you a good pilot that will truly be comfortable flying and dealing with emergencies. I was into the 60 hours before I finally was comfortable landing the plane with a simulated engine failure. The last 10 hours I mostly practiced landings and rehearsed the maneuvers again.
Thanks for the information! It's interesting to see what people pay these days.
stupid pay school lot, fly minimum 40 hour and take certificate ppl ok, then you can learn and training own time lot cheapen go good pilot, 74 hour uh,must be super stupid or better not fly newer. if go 74 hour learn fly. ground school teorical learn about 20 hour and then fly training FAA need minimum 40 hour not need more and have ppl. and later can learn own time own money cheapen good pilot all procedure what want. but at school can go to out good pilot if understand anythink how fly.
@@mattivirta “super stupid,” - I hope your English is better over the radio than it is commenting absolute drivel on CZcams.
I am seriously considering it, incl. the ‘buy and sell an airplane’ step. I live literally across the street from an airport, a flight school, and an FBO at a national guard subsidized regional airport with low traffic.
It's possible. Just get a good plane with a solid prebuy if you go that route.
For added savings, rent out your plane for other students or buy the plane in co-ownership. Great tips
Thanks! I've actually looked at renting out a plane. My airport makes that really prohibitive. =( Plus the cost of insurance can kind of get out of control. The Partnership thing works great though to save some money on a plane purchase. =)
What about obtaining a sport license first, so that practical control skills can be built up taking the additional hours of instruction to upgrade to full private pilot license? Wouldn't that be likely to reduce the total instruction hours toward the minimum required?
If your end goal is to have a private pilot license, go for that one. Yes, your flight time counts and will help, but you'll spend less money just tackling it directly instead of progressively.
You had me at "Cheap" :)
LOL. I wanted to use less expensive but....
@@flywiththeguys smart men make cheap than waste lot money stupid. idiot waste lot money.
Geography is another MAJOR factor…I live in Massachusetts where everything is expensive. However…about 30 minutes north (in New Hampshire) is a great little GA field with a solid FBO and great instructors for *far less* than anything near me. Pay attention to what’s in your area…an extra 20 minute drive is worth its weight in gold if it can ultimately save you $1000 getting you your PPC
Yep! We actually talk a bit about that in this video - Picking A Flight School | The ULTIMATE GUIDE
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Very helpful, from Florida.
GREAT! Thanks for watching!
unless that person already has a solid background in general aviation, it isnt wise to suggest someone buy a plane before they go thru flight school. plus, the inspection and mechanic look-over, along with any costs to get the plane up to snuff can add up and you may or may not get that back right after sale
Thats why I say its really under a different set of finances, but the guys I've talked to have been able to sell their plane for a little more and walk away net zero on the plane. It's possible.....
Yep....
So true. I mean you would never buy a car without having a solid background in how the automobile works right?
@@byronrogers4489 cars dont come with a massive federal rulebook on operating standards and your drivers ed hooptie isn't going to be subject to an AD that was never fixed.
what was that saying? "the rich will always get richer"....lol..... not to be cynical, but again, that is true here. If you are at least somewhat well off and can afford to absorb the initial cost to buy your training plane, in the long run, you save more or even make money from your plane.... vs a poorer person who can't buy one
Does buying your own plane take into account the costs for hangar space and other related expenses? Does this eat into the savings?
The idea really revolves around your total out of pocket purchase and carrying costs VS what you can sell it for. We made a video on Renting VS Buying that has a great spreadsheet for figuring some of this out. czcams.com/video/M7yiFPI0INE/video.html But, if you're following the model and moving through things quickly you wouldn't need a hanger necessarily. A covered or non covered tie down for a few months isn't going to break the bank like a hanger would.
@@flywiththeguys awesome. Thanks for the response!
Why hangar it? He means you just keep it parked high up in the air, where there are also no countries to pay tax and insurances for. What's else the idea of an air plane? Doh
Great video, thanks! One question though, for the very last recommendation on actually Buying-Sellling an inexpensive plane, you'd still have to add the cost of paying the Hangar, right? do you have a video on approx yearly, monthly costs of having airplane ( outside of the cost of the plane itself) ? Thanks
Depends. The idea of buying, plowing through, and selling doesn't really incorporate a hanger. Regular tie downs would work just fine. My airport has non covered tie downs for $25 a month so it's not a large overall cost. BUT, we do have this video for the rest of your question - czcams.com/video/M7yiFPI0INE/video.html
Good point.... on purchasing... aircraft... to train...on... then selling to recover investment...price... you could also keep..it ... if you become fond...of it.... have a good day...
Thats why we call it an asset, and not part of your PPL cost if you purchase one. =)
I just randomly decided I wanted to get my pilots license, after doing some research I decided it's to much money for something that I would do for fun every once in a while
I was the same way. So I started a side hustle so I could afford it. Welcome to my CZcams Channel. =)
@@flywiththeguys I might do it eventually, like 10 years from now when I get the money
@@tardis4125 you can usually find somebody to take you up for free. Or a cheap “discovery” flight. At least get a taste :)
Hello I'm 17 and I see myself flying airplanes but I have no clue where to start. Would really appreciate any video you guys recommend to watch. Thank you!
Same here bud. I'm 14.
Go to the local airport and ask about a discovery flight. They are usually around $100-200 and they let you fly the airplane. With an instructor.
Send a dm in Instagram flywithdady i will explain
Swear I posted this.... But start here - czcams.com/video/tICwgbVT_ic/video.html
If you purchase an aircraft, don't forget fixed costs. Insurance and hanger/storage costs won't be recouped upon resale. Still a great idea, if you're in a position to do so.
Absolutely! But that's what I was referring to when I said those go under a different set of finances. It really shouldn't be coupled together.
Good stuff!
Thanks!
What is your advice to anyone who wants to study aviation after the age of 30 as a hobby ??may you make a video about that please .. thanks
Well... I did it. Started flying when I was 35. For recreation, its great. And you can probably turn it into a career if you wanted.
@@flywiththeguys Really? Wow..
2:42 things to get out of the way before
2:42 get medical certificate
2:52 Written exam
3:03 Student pilot certificate before can solo
3:33 instructor costs
4:08 always do homework, chair fly from muscle memory, use PC simulator to learn procedures.
4:33 air craft costs:
4:45 less expensive airplane or buying bulk hours to recieve discount
5:30
6:15 buying and selling airplane
Thanks for that. I need to add them into my description for people.
Cool video and good advice. But nothing that depreciates is really an asset.
Older aircraft aren't really depreciating right now. Look at Cessnas. 2 years ago you could pick up a M or N model for 40K, now its double that for the same condition, hours, and avionics. Picking the right plane will make a difference, but it's all still possible!
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Good to know! Thank you.
$2,600 for PPL at Red Stewart Field in Waynesville, Ohio near King's Island amusement park outside of Cincinnati. The Waynesville intersection of Ohio Rt. 42 and Rt. 63 has motels, McDonalds, Subway, Domino's, BP gas and a very pharmacy. They will start to you in your choice of Piper Cub or Aeronca Champ then you have options of Cessna 150 or Piper Cherokee. Dewey Davenport got his license there. Check out his videos, one of which talks about Red Stewart Field. [I learned to fly in Miami University Flying Club not far away in Oxford.]
Are you sure that's for PPL? I checked out what you were talking about and using the minimum hours, their J3 Cub, and their instructors I'm getting $3980. Add materials, ground school, checkride, and checkride rental costs to that and your around that 5K mark. Pricing for other aircraft go up from there. It's all incredibly reasonable though.
@@flywiththeguys I was there on Sunday for an EAA meeting and read their paper price sheets. Hmm...I will ask Paul Tripplett from way up/over in Youngstown, Ohio who got his license at Red Stewart on Saturday.
i want to become a pilot but my fam cant afford it , so i was thinking that i can work with a private pilot license till i save the money and then continue studying , is this a good idea ? or do you recommend another affordable license ?
You guys are soft. I'm going straight for the F-18. Go big, go home
Update: My credit score just went up -6540 points
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I only have an hour on the book so not really a great person to give advice on this but I can say where you get trained makes a big difference on cost, as an example my first hour I went to it was an hour of flight but they build it like two and a half hours of instructor time because it included some ground training as well so it was like $450 for 1 hour on the books which is a lot of money compared to the new CFI I plan on working with which is something around $150 an hour for one hour of flight time with ground School more of a self-study separate thing but reinforced during the flight
YES. Where you goes makes a huge difference. I personally like private training over schools, but that doesn't work for everyone. We actually just made a guide to picking a flight school that talks about some of the things your saying.
Can't forget the cost of keeping the plane someplace and where I live is a hangar must environment. But you leave out having the freedom of flying whenever the weather allows.
We have some info on that in the description. Everyones airport is different, as well as the weather. The option isn't for everyone, but it's possible.
Damn must be nice Living in the US
Yea... in some places in the world it kind of gets out of control.
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pay some one to forge a pilots license and hope that time on micro soft flight simulator works.
Well...... Yea.... Thats a thing believe it or not. - www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/business/pakistan-fake-pilot-intl-hnk/index.html
@@flywiththeguys *I WAS JOKING, MOTHER OF LORD*
I took a little different route. I found a CFI with 30 years experience, thousands of flight hours, and an incredibly fun and serious instructor, but trains in a light sport aircraft (Aerotrek A240). He charged $35 an hour, and plane rental at $65 an hour, all in. I received my Sport Pilot Certificate in 23 hours ($2300). My ground school and check ride was an additional $980, so I’m flying for under $3500. I completed my training in 3 weeks, flying 4 times a week, and this included my check ride. I’ve purchased 1/3 of a beautiful 2018 Aero Bristell, and my monthly payments for the plane and hangar costs are just over $400 per month (less than my car payment), and the main owner and my CFI helped with my transition training at no cost. The Bristell is equipped with a full glass panel, and very inexpensive to fly (around 4.5 gallons per hour), and I get to fly it plenty, as the other 2 owners are not as active. My CFI is continuing my training this summer in the Bristell for my Private Certificate, which should go rather smoothly, and the additional 20 hours will only cost me $35 an hour ($700 total) and the cost of another check ride. We will then move to Instrument rating, probably in the fall, which the Bristell is fully equipped for. This route has provided me with a very economical plan to get flying, and keep flying and learning. My CFI has become a great friend, and advocate. Once I have my private certificate, then I will be looking to purchase my own plane, and it could be GA or LSA, and I’m also considering building a Sling or an Arion Lightning XS aircraft . They build assist center for Slings is close to where I live, and they will also assist with the Lightning should that be my final choice.
Great video gents...thanks for helping to build interest in aviation.
LSA aircraft are great for training. They are less expensive and usually better equipped! Sounds like a fun route. =)
@@flywiththeguys I started in local flying club on glider, literally at no cost and then via UL/LSA for very low (the safety can be questionable). So when you jump in Cessna, you know already how to fly even some tiny acrobatics from glider and most important, you know how to work with energy because every landing is landing w/o engine 😁. Takes longer, but you know already different plane classes. With engine is nice, but glider is emotional and very close to nature, challenging your skills.
which flight school did you attend?
If you live in CA you need to pay "use" tax. Basically sales tax. So if you buy a 30k plane you'll pay about $2500 in "use" tax.Then there is the "property" tax. About 1% or another $300.. Insurance. Don't know what it would be for a Student Pilot but I estimate about $2,000. Also, hangar or tie down fees at least $50/month figure at least. Unless you are planning on keeping the airplane to go for your commercial and instrument rating it is not going to be cheaper than renting. Also, didn't figure in pre-buy inspection of the airplane $500 - $1000 or other mx items that might come up and of course add in the Fuel.
Jon Funanich damn, I live in CA and been thinking about getting my pilot license.
you need go out CA if want fly, isdiot pay use tax if not true need pay.
So basically, be rich so you can save money. Good plan. Great guide for the everyman wanting to know how to save money.
There's a lot in there for the everyman. All the tips to help reduce the cost really do help.
You've got to have a different mindset if you're planning to make it through training, man.
MatthewOfGilead Silver spoon birth always makes things easier. If you’re born with no utensils whatsoever but you want it, find a way to get it. My buddy lived on a cot in the hangar. Showered at the other end of the field. Cleaned the hangar floors for food & free lessons, and bought a Harley in pieces on “eBay” for nearly nothing. He used the hangar tools to rebuild it and sell for a profit to pay for aircraft use. He’s now a senior A330/340 FO for a major airline.
Lol
You will always be poor with that mindset.
I cringe every time I hear "pilot license." There is no pilot license in the US. Spread the truth!
Totally true! But at the same time we have to connect with those who don't know that. Ask anyone who isn't in aviation what they need to fly and they'll probably say a pilot license. I'm reaching out to them to help them gain interest in aviation, not to people who already know. Once they start flying and learning, they'll pick it up.
Wait ... what? What do you mean?
@@davidjd123 What he means, is it's called a "pilot certificate". There are CERTIFICATES (Private, Commercial, Airline Transport) and then there are RATINGS you can earn, like the Instrument Rating, Multi-Engine Land, Single Engine Sea etc. :-)
PPL have full pilto licence, no need more, if want pro and make money have lot different way to licence and cost lot more, about 50-150K$
Once you get comfortable with the preflight, show up to lessons 15 minutes early and get the plane ready to go without the instructor watching. Most instructors charge for ground and flight time. You still get your scheduled block but now it has 15 minutes more that you can be productively learning new information instead of paying them to watch you preflight again.
Couldn’t agree more. Different instructors charge different ways. Mine added .3 for pre and post flight briefing. Another charges just per the Hobbs. I never worked with one that was on the clock the moment they stepped out of their car but I’ve heard of a few.
The flight school in my area averages $10,000 for everything including ground school. I think if I do my groundschool online independently while practicing on a simulator, I should be able to finish the flight school in less than average time. Thats the plan anyway. You can buy blocks of time cheaper than by the hour. So basically buy ten hour blocks every week or so.
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@@flywiththeguys yeah that's their claim total investment 10k. I tell you what it could not possibly be in a more convenient location, it's right across the street from my work. If i do my ground school independently then I'll just go with a private instructor anyway.
Wow, this makes me feel very lucky. At rocky mountain flight school, I pay $75 an hour wet for a 152 and $45 an hour for an instructor.
Edit/update: The school got another 152 renting for $60 wet!!!
That is amazing! Even if you hit the averages, you'll still save a TON of money.
I'm looking into rocky mountain flight school, how do you like it?
wow super cheap
@@jakeschainost4325 I can say much because I'm only 10 hrs in, but so far its going well. Just find the right instructor and you will always have an abundance of planes to rent.
Theoretically this works. In real life though, this is hardly an option.
The last one yes, but the idea was to help people realize that the little things can add up to big savings.
You can buy the plane and negotiate a deal with the flight school to use the plane you bought to train other students and get money back in hourly rentals which if you do correctly could mean you make money instead of spend it to get a pilots license.
Are you talking about a leaseback? They can work, provided the school wants to use your plane.
Thank u. 10K USD is 1 year of work for me. This is very valuable to me
Glad it helped!
How about this: My cousin, a cfi, only charging me fuel. So after the written and everything I guess I'll be paying like $2200.
Thats a great price if you can make it work! =)
Right , Buying an Airplane and learn to fly in is a Win win combination,plus if you fell in love with your aircraft you just keep it,Nothing beats Flying
LOL. That happens too!
Great video, packed with good ideas. Question, could I buy a Sterman, Cub, kit plane. To use for my training?
There are some rules changing on this right now, being trained in your own aircraft. Sounds like you would need to get approval first. AOPA and EAA are fighting some of the changes.
GREAT IDEA 💡
Thank you! 😊
There are other factors too-- If you buy a plane, where do you keep it? I predict I will be in close to 13k by the time I get my ticket. We can discuss at the next taping of ITH. (If you can make it)
I'll come if they invite me! But yes. Thats why I was saying its an asset and it really goes under a different set of finances and shouldn't technically be included in your PPL. Because even if you stop perusing it, you still have have it until you sell it. I made a video on renting VS buying that has a spreadsheet that goes into ownership details that covers it a bit better.
Maybe a silly question. . . but what plane would you recommend someone look for (to buy) when training/as a beginner?
Someone whos looking to do that would want to get a plane that they can turn when they're done. Good prospects are 172s, 150/152s, and many of the PA-28 platform planes with a 180HP engine. The 172 is probably the best for it, but the most expensive on the list.
You would need a hangar , so hangar rental and hopefully mechanically the plane you purchase would be good enough to last through training, maybe even hopefully longer
I would hope longer, but some people I've talked to get training specific aircraft like Cessna 150/152, 172 or Piper 140/160/180s. After training they turned them and got something more suited to their flying or started renting different aircraft. And you don't always have to hanger a plane. 😉 At my airport, non covered tie downs are $25 a month.
Fly With The Guys I didn’t know you could pay the rental on tie downs . For $25 a month that’s not bad
How much does it cost for a hangar rental?
What is your opinion on sport pilot certificates? It seems to me that unless you can't pass a medical, there is literally no reason to get it at this point. The regs for UL's and sport pilots seems ridiculously outdated. They should at least throw the 150 and 172 in the LSA category for the sake of training..... And the weight restrictions on UL's just makes these things almost unsafe for the average low-hour pilot to fly, though I'd love a Merlin Lite.
I'm going to be doing a video on the sport pilot license soon. It's a great topic and opens the skys up to a lot of people who otherwise couldn't. I used to think it was useless, but it actually makes a a lot of sense for some pilots and I'm glad the FAA offers it and provides a specific category and class for it. Thanks for the comment.
Very helpful! I've wanted to learn how to fly ever since I can remember. Ground school killed me when I was younger. Probably has changed for the better now. I'm curious about something though. How can flight training simulators play into this. I've heard that it can be a huge factor in cost
For the Private, I believe you can only have 2 hours of sim training. And that's certified sim training, and you still need your instructor there to sign off the hours. As far as at your house PC training, we're working on a video for that. It can play into a huge factor actually.
In 1986 I bought a c152 and put it on lease back at the fbo. I didn’t haggle the price but traded 25 hours of instructor time for the full price. 11 months later, I sold the plane for $300 more than I paid for it. After ALL my expenses, I made $34 to get my PPL. It is so possible today to do the exact same thing.
It’s totally possible if you do it right. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Australia here. I just can not believe how cheap it is in America to rent aircraft. Starting price in Australia is about $230 an hour
That is pricey. What aircraft would that be? I can rent a 182 for that much.
Did mine in less than 6k, went thru a local flying club at my airport. They flew with dry rate and the fbo i work at fuels the planes so i get a fat fuel discount 😁
I got mine by basically paying for an instructor and fuel. I worked my tail off and made deals where I could.
I spent around 9K 120 an hour wet for 172M or N Part 61 which is typically cheaper but a mess really all over the place also 20 an hour for CFI which was really cheap average rate in my area is 35-60 and got it at the bare minimum 45 hours
Great instructor rate! I've heard of guys doing that to build quick hours.
Are they no flying clubs? I joined a non-profit club that was set up at a grass strip to keep the costs low. There was a monthly fee but I don't remember a joining fee and of course a per hour wet cost of the plane and the instructor. Of course this was fifty years ago. The instructors were retired pilots who were just doing it as a side gig to pay for their own flying. As I remember the basic VFR cost about $1000 which would translate to about the $5000 figure today. We trained in a Cessna 152 and a 172 that was IFR equipped. Life happened and I ran out of money before I got that far.
Flying clubs can help reduce the costs, but not all of them do after adding up all the fees, rates, and instruction costs. There are a lot of insurance restrictions and maintenance costs these days that are really driving the cost of flying through the roof as well. Even my club needed to increase rates because of it.
@@flywiththeguys Thanks. Way back then I was really just a kid and didn't keep up with all that. All I was interested in was that the cost was half of what the guys at the regional airport charged. I was thinking after I commented that they may have owned or leased the air field as well because most of the planes there were either owned by the club or it's members.
Thank u for the info on the least expensive way to get a pilots lisence.
No problem, granted buying a plane isn't for everyone. BUT, the rest of the information really shows how searching and dedicating time to training can really save a lot.
Loved the video! I have researched this extensively and scoured plane ads, but there is a SIX-YEAR waiting list for hangar rentals at my airport! And airports an hour away have a 2-3 year wait! Any ideas?
Thats a hard one. We're in the same boat at my airport. I would get covered parking if you have it and jump on that list.
Get a bush plane and park in a pole barn.
@@wll2237 Yes I could do that. Really. Only problem is, I'd like to fly it. Not just store it.
build your own cover ;)
@@mingming9604 And store the covered plane where?
If you buy a plane and work for an instructor doing odds and ends like washing planes or help with their business or who knows what. You can get things cheaper that way. Work at a school, cut their grass and all kinds of way to make it cheaper if you really want to. Anything is possible with the will to succeed
If there's a will there's a way.
Got my PPL through my Navy flying club. Plane rental: $19/hr with fuel. Instructor $10/hr. 45 hours x $29 + flying club dues ($20/month x 4) = $1,385
Nice! When did you complete your training?
@@flywiththeguys 1979
@@ExtremeRecluse =) I kind of wish we had pricing like that today.
My PPL cost me exactly $1’000 everything included, and in a Grumman American Cheetah, which was quite a fun airplane to fly!
Ok, I agree, it was a few years ago…
I was going to say.... Mine cost me about 5 times that much. =)
did mine for about 1800. of course that was in 1978 and i washed planes at the field. but the best way is to dedicate 2 weeks and get it done. eat live and breath the airport. there is one in n carolina who has cabin right on airfield.
for those complaining about 'you need to be rich' if you want it just do it.
Couldn't agree more. It's possible if you want it and plan for it.
Very good information mate.I want to end My training i been fliying in houmma but dint end my course.iam from colombia.so i have to pay acomodation.Do you know where i can go.thank You.
I was kind of thinking if you took a few charter flights you’d pay for your license. If your instructor is there, initially doesn’t that count as legal? If not why not simply take a few charters after you get it to pay for the license before you sell the aircraft. Still keeping it under 100 hours while you own it, you’d be fine as long as it had a recent maintenance.
You wouldn’t be able to long the hours is my understanding. Your instructor could because they are a commercial pilot, which is the requirement to carry passengers or cargo for hire. Also, charter flights fall under Part 135 flight regulations. AKA, the FAA has seen this stuff before and has made it prohibitive for safety reasons.
I already got my PPL from Pensacola Naval Air Station in 1980 in a C-152. I also bought my own plane (a Piper 180) and took many CC trips. Did lots of flying way back in the day. But now, I haven't flown in about 6 years. I need to get my Class 3 med cert and take a review course. After 35 years of flying, I still have my log books and material, but I notice new technology I need to be aware of (GPS, etc. I had 2 nav coms I would lock on to two different VOR stations to find my position at night). So it cost me $40/hr for the plane/wet, and $40/hr for the instructor. What can I expect to pay NOW? I live in Santa Barbara and there is a flight school at the airport, but I need my med cert first. Any tips?
You would need the medical of course and a flight review to get you up to speed. The review wouldn't be signed off on until the instructor is confident you have everything, including the new technologies, under control. As far as cost goes in CA.... No idea, but we made a video on picking a good CFI that you may help you. You can find it over on our channel.
May I know more about the written exam? Do u have a video for written exam instructions, procedures, etc. on how to obtain the exam certification? Study guides? Courses? Recommendations?
I don't have much on the written exams. We'll get there eventually but we don't really make recommendations on programs or courses to prepare. Our only recommendation is to use a something that includes testing software to prepare for it. Even if it's separate from the course you take to get your endorsement.