Mixing Analog vs Digital
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Man the subtle and clear nuance, the warmth and the entire vibe the the song by analog mixing.
Thanks for the video. I wish I didn't need the analog gear taking up all my space. But analog is open, wide, and the separate sounds pop out of the speakers with little effort. The easiest way for me to show someone analog vs digital is reverb. For anyone that's only used ITB reverbs, a hardware reverb on an analog fx return has to be experienced.
I feel the analog version preserve more of the information that was recorded. Also, by going through the console it enhances the root, 3rd, and 5th harmonics of the audio making it sound more realistic. I don't think either sound bad at all though. They both sound really good.
Analog...sounds more warm and full..both are good but analog is better to me...
I remember that Behringer desk...not too shabby at all
Thank you for explaining this thoroughly!
Great Video, Ive seen many attempts at doing this kind of comparison and I like yours the best. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and enabling a virtual visit to your killer studio.
+Mark Sexton Markeaux thank you, you‘re welcome!
That's what I call a true dedication to sound engineering, great video! Thank you!
+Karel Slavik thank you, you‘re welcome! Yes, can‘t imagine life without music :)
great video. finally someone shows something that really shows a real comparison. - Analog sounds more lively. snare pops better. brighter. just better.
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Both sound good.. I like them...
Interesting project. But this isn't really "Digital vs Analog" but rather "Eurodesk vs CueClone". In that light doesn't really show what Digital processing can do vs limited low cost analog gear. If we are simply borrowing eq curves on a plug that does not emulate any of the harmonic distortion of the analog counterpart, of course there will be something lacking in the emulation. But if you compare a Eurodesk eq with, say the Waves SSL channel, you will have a different result. Not by setting things up as identical as possible with the analog, but to use both to the best of their ability and compare those results. The SSL plug in will have far more frequency options and bandwidth curves at your disposal so you can actually mix. Same goes for the compressors. But don't set them identically. Set the analog to the best of its ability, then take the appropriate (not necessarily the most similar to the analog specimen) compressor in your digital arsenal, and set it by ear, to the best of its ability. See which comes out better. Mixing is not paint by numbers. Numbers mean nothing. You have to use your ears. Part of the digital advantage is far more choice than what you have in your analog rack. I love good analog gear, which I use on the way in. Once it's in the box, the digital stuff gives me stunning results.
The analog eqs sound really musical
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Nice video, I mix in the box and more and more I am aware of the situation so I am developing techniques to compensate that
There is a song called “Sons of Winter and Stars” from the band Wintersun. It has 1482 tracks and the guy broked a pc trying to mix that. It’s interesting, due the amount of track it has
In the box mix sounds VERY static and 1 dimensional. The analog mix sounds, well, musical and 3 dimensional. Or to put it another way, the ITB mix sounds like an MP3, whereas the analog mix sounds like a high quality WAV file. Like it.
Analog sound good, thanks for this video
great video. Yes even in youtube the analog has a nicer highend and has more space it is a bit more livly and popping. But to be honest the difference isnt that big. I expected the digital to sound more obviously bad. Both are great mixes and you could definatly get away with the in the box mix.
thanks mate! Yes, that's true. They are not that far apart and it's actually great to have so many possibilities nowadays - ITB, OTB or even Hybrid as I usually do!
Thanks Zed. I want to try the signal response plugin on my hybrid mixing setup. That was a good trick ;-) Lasse
+Lasse Storgaard Jacobsen Yes you definitely should try it, it's very convenient to capture analog eq curves!
good and well but if its mastered with a full analog setup @ a pro mastering service then the difference is less dramatic
Digital sounds muddy, liveless and spaceless. No separation between sources. Great comparison :)
I find that analogue has a warmth that digital can't quite match, digital sounds sort of clinical. I also agree with you Zed, I find that the analogue console allows you a tactile connection that working in the box just cannot match. Maybe I'm biased as I started out using a Tascam 424 MK1 before moving on to a Fostex R8 and a Dynamix console before going digital because for home recording at that time digital just wasn't an option. As usual, a great video from you Zed, thanks.
Even a Behringer Eurodesk sounds more exciting than generic ITB plugins. One could argue that the right plugins could match or beat it, but I would suggest that it still wouldn't be as much fun and inspirational as the tactile experience of using a physical mixing console-which will positively effect the outcome of your mix.
Quite surprised at the degree of difference given the work you did to iron out the variables. The analog mix sounded a lot better glued together across the instrument tracks in addition to the warmth and softer edges it gave. Great video 👍
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Analogue pops more 👍🏾👊🏾🔥
+Mikhael Aston Yes, right!
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I have no problems with digital, it's obviously a "necessary evil" in today's production world but I would have to say my ear is more amenable to the analog mixdown. I think the analog mix had more character, and possibly more distortion, but it was desirable and interesting. Both good mixes by the way, great work!
Hello, I've heard sooo many bad opininos on the Eurodesk mixer but I think that it sounds good or you make it sound good!
Thank you for comparison. Whether it sounds better or not, what is obvious here is that track separation, width, depth o and overall 3d picture is more pronounced on analog.
I wonder about the sound if you would mix everything (no hardware at all) in the box and when you are finished you run separate tracks through analog channels (no processing, as a line mixer). And then post the results.
The analog sounds a lot more 'open'. The high-end sounds more pronounced. Also the dynamics sound nicer as well. I'm surprised how much better the analog sounds!
+MacXpert74 It's quite interesting, isn't it? However, the difference might get smaller when adding other eq plugins that introduce a little bit of saturation and coloration.
Yeah, It made more of a difference than I expected to be honest. I've seen a video in which they showed the difference between a digital mix-down and one going through a analog summing box. The difference in that case was very small, to the point of being inaudible. So I guess the difference you have here is really down to the better sounding analog compressors and EQ. It's nice to know that the investment in those is well worth it! :)
LoudBox Music with todays analog modeling plugins the digital can sound like analog without the minuses of the analog.
Analog mix does sound more open but darker in some instruments.
Not that much of a difference and I own expensive outboard equipment. Maybe 10%
Hi great video! What is the name of the console you use?
Hy Zed !You you basically you rec a aux analog .Did you rec individual tracks back >have you tried?? i think that way or side mix (both words analog and mix could be better )I ve had similar gears in my studio in the past !In fact we have been chat on youtube around then !
Can someone explain me how he connect mixer with logic pro,so when he press space to start the the beat in logic pro,his meters on mixer starts rising and he actually can mix the beat from logic pro on analog mixer,i cant understand that
Thank you do you have studio one D A W if so can show us the routing
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which analog mixer do you recommend to a beginner on a budget?
Would anyone know if I can run QLAB through an analog mixer at all? I'm wondering what the signal flow looks like and Im currently trying to run it off a Midas Verona 480
Very very great video! What did you use to have your audio coming in and tracked out to the mixer. What is your setup for bussing in and out?
Thanks! I use 3x Presonus Firestudio Project, all subgroups go to the Mix Bus which goes back into the DAW for printing and monitoring.
There is more high end on the analog mix but that can be adjusted so they sound exactly the same. Mixing analog or digital doesn't matter, you just do it in a different way to get to the same result. Btw, I bought a Mackie 8-bus 24 when they came out in the 90's but I haven't used it the last 12 years because it's obsolete for recording or mixing but using it in a live situation could be a good thing.
i have a behringer x32 compact that i feed into cubase,i also have a mackie profx 22 analog mixer,do u think the mackie would give me a better mix and recording?
Are you taking your L/R output back to the interface? and what channels do you go back in to?
To me, the digital mixdown actually sounds like some tracks are missing, almost like there's a gap somewhere in the mids. Quite a big audible difference I'd say. I like the analog mixdown. I'm sure you could make up for that by EQing/saturating/whatnot the digital mix accordingly. Very interesting comparison, thank you!
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Btw in the end I'm thinking is about what you own.
When I started to make photos I always replyied "I wasnt lucky enough for heir a good cam and if I would I would use it, no matter what... scan images cost less than a great camera" and it is the same for this.
If you start from 0 I think digital is just more convent but, viceversa, if you are like to find or already owning a good analogic it doesnt have sense.
A person could heir a complet full analogic setup(i'm talking without pc too) so good that just has more sense convert it after in digital and viceversa.
I mean for me using pc is already be digital mostly... but i guess that's opinion and how we see 'analogic' and 'digital'!
Hello. At your recording video. Are you using audio interface connected from mixer going to video camera and computer?
both are not bad. I prefer ITB, it has good high-end. You get that "literal" comparing tweaking, but turning knobs with feelings could helps us to get the same result, isn't it?
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hi in first track adjust the compressor vocals and the reverb -1,5 db in 275 hz, the next add chorus in the voice. result digital other world
Amazing video! A quick question, how did you keep the noise so low on the analog mix, sounds very clear!
+Benasis Management thanks! I didn't do anything special, just proper gain staging.
Most difference is in space positioning of the sound, more wide tone, more clean. Not many in eq, but just stereo image is better, and sound is better position.
A lot of people here don't really get the idea of digital vs analog as they say that we hear it on CZcams in digital anyway!
Well, it's the process of mixing that makes the difference.. there are harmonic distortion, phase anomalies and electronic components that shape the sound of analog.. regardless of the final listing format.
Digital is very truthful the sound and require different mindset of decision making while mixing.. which is awesome.
Yet, analog will change sound character and consequently will affect the way you make your mixing decisions.
Plus.. who wouldn't want a punchier and wider mix with no extra effort? 😜
I have a great monitor system and i hear a lot more distorsion in the hi-end with the digital mixdown, the
placement of instruments is also not that good as with analog.
I use cubase but when i let cubase do the mixdown it sounds not as good as when i make a realtime digital recording when i playback in cubase. I wonder what it could mean in your setup, does pro=tools does the same ?
i might be wrong but i hear more Punch on the digital one for some reason the analog version doesn't fell with the same attack
Magic Lalo Sounds yeah, agreed on that, but because of that too, how digital audio sounds, it sounds more 2D to me. Especially noticeable on the piano for example. I think the low mids of the piano feel more upfront just like on the kick for example, but in a way, it takes some depth away :/
Agree, but that's the reason for great mixer engineers use trasient designers for their mixes or buses in a hybrid mixing setup.
the second track- up the level the reverb and add delay, . in delay / reverb compressor in track.
dbx 165 with easy curve is the best compressor I have use.
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Ive got the Mackie 32.8 your Eurodesk sounds Identical...really good desks....I believe these are the best outside of being Trident, SSL or API......Im about to add the SSL Quad Pre Amp unit and a stam audio ssl comp
i Have a a Behringer MX 9000 Eurodesk in the studio, has great sound and i use it in a very creative way. Peaple that talk down some of these analog mixers have never even used one...snobs
Right i havethe sx4882 it just died on me lasted me 10 years gotta get another one
@@jpilot07 how did you like the SX4882 sound? I hv to replace or repair a MX9000.
Analog more spacious and big.
Ok so on my converter I have, 2 Line puts, 4 line outputs, the main out put L/ R and a midi out and In
To me, the analog mix sounds more present and more 3D, compared to the flatter digital mix. Not saying that the digital mix sounds bad, it's just more exciting to listen to the analog one. I also like the slight distortion of the transients on the analog one. Very cool video.
The analog mix sounds more full and organic imo
I have a Presonus studious ar6 mixer isn going into Fl studio 12 please help me
Nice the only thing sux is that you can't save the presets and if your not happy with the results to change it all back again i'd rather prefer digital but analog is sexy to have I would buy analog just for the show
The analog adds much saturation, so you should probably add saturation in the digital if you wanna be more comparative
On my converters the analog sounds like 20% better, more transient and open sounding very alive. Well done
Then have better skills for doing digitally...😂
@@yakshrajsingh8121 Read twice ;) I can hear a 20% better audio at analog over my converters.
The snare sounds much more focused and much tighter in the digital mixdown but it rings out a bit too long and it sometimes gets a bit burried under the transients of the tambourine.
I prefer the digital mixdown
a function "what is my hardware doing" is not included i think... it cut be nice for a "pluginbuilder" ... very nice video man, the leveling i dont know.. but now... THANK YOU!
Compared to the analog mix, the digital mix sounds very midrangey. Very 2D too.
Hey if i recorded my black metal songs on an android is it digital or analog?
How to playback multitrack back into analog mixer?
Can you share the particulars of your computer and what software you use? I’m interested in setting up a hybrid studio. Thanks!
I have a whole video series about my setup where I show all my gear and how it is connected. Here's part 1: czcams.com/video/10Q01Ko-6Es/video.html
I heard the difference listening from my phone, i’ve read pro engineers saying “I prefer to stay ITB before to mix on a behringer board it degrades the sound”, it could be true but for my ears it sounds better on the mx8000!👍🏻
The Behringer is for sure no Neve or SSL ;) But for the price (even back when it was released) it was really ok.
Of course it is not but you did a great job equing, Digital still sounding like cold
Good morning, friend, I have a table like this one of the beringher would like to know how to use it with the computer
Hi! You‘ll need an audio interface with at least as many analog outputs as your mixer has inputs. I have a Hybrid Mixing series on my channel where I show the setup. Here‘s part 1: czcams.com/video/10Q01Ko-6Es/video.html
For me the comparaison would be fair if you used your best plugins even hardware emulations, because every one knows that simple digital plugins sound cold and that's why we use hardware emulation in our busses.
Analog more crisp, open & detailed.. I owned a Eurodesk myself years ago. I did some jingles for Jazz FM (UK) Those old recordings sound better than the stuff I do ITB now.. Digital, great for recording, but not for mixing. Read my lips! Mixing, not summing.. Great video. OH! I'm back to analog mixing by the way... More fun & quicker..
good comparison! i got similar results when comparing identical tracks from cd and vinyl. analogue has something to it that is hard to describe, but it's there. it's just a matter of personal preference i guess. none of both is really "better" for everything. both have their pros and cons. i'd say for some music i'd choose analogue, for other music i'd go for digital, depending on which i prefer for that kind of track. I love some tracks from vinyl, others i'd rather listen to from cd. i guess it's the same principal when producing.
Tschooptschoop thanks for the input! Yes I feel the same, I do some songs completely digital and others are mixed to tape. Doesn't have to be a specific genre, but tape often adds nice saturation and a "glueing" effect. Does not work on all songs.
I can hear the diference of analog on vocals and acustic guitar, especially on mid and high freq, analog is warm and is soft, digital is dry.
Brother how are you playing the track and the faders on you mixer for each channel is working, I bought a $1000 mixer and when I record for example a gutair on my 1 channel on my mixer and when j record it on my daw and I play it back , the gutair plays only in my daw and not on the channel I recorded it on at the start , there's is no volume coming out from that fader I want to mix on my mixer not my daw thanks bro
+The Motivator It's an analog mixer, so it does not interconnect with the DAW. You need an audio interface with at least as many outputs as your mixer has inputs. Then you can route your tracks through the converter to the channels of the mixer. Finally the mix goes back from the Main Mix Out of the mixer through the converter back on a stereo track in the DAW. I have a video series called "Hybrid Mixing" on my channel, check that out for further info!
how to set up your gear for analog mixing? so that the tracks go back and through the console and the settings are reflected on DAW? i dont get it
Hi! I have a Mixing Setup Series on my channel where I show all this stuff. Have a look here at part 1: czcams.com/video/10Q01Ko-6Es/video.html
I wish this was a blind test, so all the connoisseurs in the comments could embarrass themselves.
i closed my eyes with headphones on and it was plain that the analog mix have better low mid clarity and an extended stereo. The digital mix was slightly more muddy and center focused. nothing crazy but def perceivable
You have to be deaf not to hear the huge difference right away... even with such cheap gear the analog mix sounds way better... difference is almost embarassing.
@@landoflittlerain because it took up space and is still as impractical as it used to be to this day. Analog has a sound to it but for mixing it simply does not justify for many people, especially with digital emulations and workflows getting better. For tracking, I would agree that analog gives a lot to a recording, but for mixing, when the song has been tracked well there are less cons than pros for most mix engineers nowadays. Having said that, there is a certain workflow to analog and console mixing which cannot be replicated in the digital domain as easily (some control surface try to do that). I myself mix hybrid with a console too but I can totally aknowledge that for many mixing guys, there is totally no reason to go analog as it is a total pain in the ass, aswell to your wallet witout any major reasons.
@UCt6o3GnDm-GCfgj6kTKkNZQ emulations are still digital..shut your dumbass up.
@@225maine "Behringer" "BEHRINGER!!" HAHAHAHAHA 👹
Idiot.
I have this mixer Mackie 32x8 love it but it needs servicing. using a digital board mostly now.❤️
+Sonicology Records Nice, that's the bigger version, mine has 24 channels.
Does the mixer support 24x24 Firewire or USB interface? Or, how do you get 24 channels in/out from Logic X? Thanks
+RecordingStudio9.com The board has no interface, analog only. I use external converters for that - 3x Presonus Firestudio Projects.
Thanks. Just saw them on your other video.
I think the top end in enhanced in a very slightly better way in the analog version but the point now is: say you spent 15k on the analog gear to get that sound ... I think if you spend 1k on samplepacks/plugins/softsynths you would get better sounding music so is it worth it? and just for the record I was thinking of getting a analog mixer with analog compressor and EQ
There like 2k worth of gear on the analogue side
Can you refer me to a budget console to where as I can possibly get similar results
Have a look at the second hand market: Behringer MX8000, Mackie 24/8, Allen & Heath GL3000, Soundcraft Ghost. If you want to buy a new one check these: Soundcraft GB4, Allen & Heath GL2400, Allen & Heath ZED 428
So I plug in for example a cable to my, bus 1 on my mixer that connects to put output 1 on my audio interface, and connect my main L:R out put on my mixer to the output of my audio interface in order to control the fader on my bus 1 :)
+The Motivator basically yes. Outputs of the converter to inputs of the mixer. L R main mix output to input of the converter. Create a stereo track for the mixdown to print your song once you finished mixing.
For me its basically no difference if you are used to something or you have skills for something ... i use allen and heath digital mixer (ive been from 5 years now costing just 4000bucks)for eq and all of that routing and sends, bussing etc etc... and also some signal converters and audio interfaces i use plugins for only effects or compression and also use a saturator and music warmer plugin and mastering is done fully with plugins and i use the UAD fair child tube warmer plugin for better sound quality and the UAD v76 vintage preamp and for instruments i have a 4k bucks martin guitar, a gibson les paul and a fender strat i have 2 bases too otherwise i use vsts such as keyscapes omnisphere kontakt 5 and some other orchestral packs i have a juno 60 and a juno 108 , for wavetable i have moog 1 ,moog subharmonic, waldorf quantum and prophet 8 i have a 88 key midi and for pianos i have the nord grand, nord stage 3 . I have arturia keylab too and other high quality plugins too... like vintage verb, vlhalla plate , some soundtoys plugins like decapticator etc.. and some vocal plugins like the antares mic mod(which is freakin amazing you can simulate expensive mics) for removing unwanted trash i use izotope rx7 or 8 and pro q3 and for getting unique out of the box sounds i use izotope vocalsynth and my secret weapon psp audioware vintage warmer that throws expensive analog out of the window thats basically my whole setup that brings my mix up to par with analog and even better than analog ... its not gear that matters but skills and used to attitude. Analog is expensive for any berklee grad like me... so i use 25% analog and 75% ITB( in the box)
Can you plz do mix master for me..?
Completely out of topic, but how did you connect the mixer to the DAW? I have the exact mixer but it has been sitting around for a year because I believed I’d need AD/DA converter first. Thank You
Yes, you need an AD/DA converter. The outputs of the converter are connected to the channel inputs of the mixer. I have a dedicated setup tutorial for that on my channel.
@@ZedMartyProduction oh sweet, thanks. whats the title of the video? I saw the one with 4 PreSonus Interfaces. is that the one?
Hi. Do you still own this mixer? Are the 24 channels enough for a studio use? I have an option to buy behringer mx9000 for 250€. However, I am leaning to bu the Allen & heath GL2800 32 channel mixer for 1000€.
I have a Soundcraft GB4-32 now, great mixer! For me 24 channels would be enough for mixing because I do quite a bit pre-mixing in the DAW but 32 channels are also very nice as I can return all outboard FX on separate channels. The Allen & Heath is also a good mixer!
@@ZedMartyProduction I just don't like the build quality of soundcraft. I bought the a&h gl2800 32 yesterday. Happiest day in my life😁
The Analog is obviously better, but I think you have a null in your tape path, It almost sounds like it's side-chained, clean those heads!
Thanks The Analog sounds way more there vocals r up ft
If I was to take my main out left and right on my mixer, which area do I connect it to the midi out the main out put L/R OF MY INTERFACE , cheers brotehr
Main Mix Out Mixer -> 2 Inputs of the converter
LoudBox Music cheers brother
LoudBox Music brother I don't need a interface I can use the mixer as a interface as it is use analog, do I still need the audio interface
Yes, the analog mix sounds markedly better. I must, however, hold the Mixer himself somewhat responsible for the huge disparity in results…
The title for this video should have been "I'm not insaaaaaane... for mixing analog". Ha. Well done.
telecasterrok thanks! ;-)
Analog sounds way better. More open, air, natural, clear in a musical way. So much better...
D review is true.but see with a daw like fl n nuendo u can master n mix d same track within ur home without going real pro with much much less budget dan when using so costly mixing n mastering consoles.dats also a difference considered.
Hello friend, what do you use to convert analog signal to digital? Interface, which converter, give a tip please
Presonus Firestudio Project - 3 of them. They are discontinued so I recommend the new version which is the Presonus Quantum 4848.
@@ZedMartyProduction Thank you very much friend, which connection cable from the table to the Ad converter?
Mine have Firewire, the new one has Thunderbolt.
I use TRS Multicore cable from sssnake. The Quantum converter has DB25 connectors so you need DB25 to TRS Multicore.
do you know RAMSA WR-T820 panasonic console?
Have not seen a Ramsa console by now, but heard of them. So can't really say something about them.
I wish I could afford all of the analog gear. Mostly because it's more my style and I feel I understand it better. I also like the results.
Yes! For me, one big part with analog gear is about the physical connection. Moving faders, turn knobs,... even tough I like the fast recalls and availability that software plugins offer :)