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  • The classic '80s sitcom "227" launched the careers of Jackée Harry and Regina King. It also almost launched a spin-off for Jackée's character Sandra. Find out why the spin-off never happened on Behind the Backdoor Pilot: 227.
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Komentáře • 600

  • @trinaq
    @trinaq Před rokem +406

    It's obvious to see why this pilot wasn't ultimately picked up for a full series. While Jackee was as radiant and sassy as always, the supporting cast were forgettable by comparison. Luckily, she'd get to star in "Sister Sister" later on.

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před rokem +54

      Agreed. Jackee is great on Sister, Sister.

    • @Jamessmith-xk3fh
      @Jamessmith-xk3fh Před rokem +67

      I did notice something that might have hurt the two pilots as well they tried spinning off a black comedy show by making them white comedies. You take Jackee that lived in a black apartment and neighborhood and in the spinoff and having her in a mostly white comedy

    • @powerbadpowerbad
      @powerbadpowerbad Před rokem +6

      Yeah,I LOVED that show too.😊😊😊😊 Man,nostalgia is kicking my behind right now. LOL.

    • @RemoWilliams1227
      @RemoWilliams1227 Před rokem +5

      Heck yeah she was great.

    • @yell0wberry
      @yell0wberry Před rokem +17

      Personally, I thought NBC was simply capitalizing on Jackée Harry’s sex appeal. She lost much of her sex appeal by the time the show sister sister debuted. (I could be wrong, but it seem like much of Jackée Harry’s swag from 227 was sort of imitated by Jenifer Lewis when she was on the show a different world.)

  • @alvinsavage7701
    @alvinsavage7701 Před rokem +175

    My Saturday nights as kid went like this
    1. 227
    2. Golden girls
    3. Amen
    4. Empty Nest
    5. Hunter
    I miss my childhood. 227 was hilarious but they all were

    • @gamerincorporated154
      @gamerincorporated154 Před rokem +12

      And out of all those shows, the Golden Girls is on heavy rotation.

    • @coldbilly7916
      @coldbilly7916 Před rokem +4

      Me too Grandma House Saturday Playlist also! After hunter then news then SNL on a lucky night WWF saturday Main event!! Lol

    • @mattalan6618
      @mattalan6618 Před rokem +3

      my saturdays as a kid were spent in the arcades dominating at Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter

    • @juliemcarthur3004
      @juliemcarthur3004 Před rokem

      Mine to

    • @mrmatthewgriffith
      @mrmatthewgriffith Před rokem +1

      Those were the days

  • @ogami1972
    @ogami1972 Před rokem +106

    "I'm gonna have my own show, MEHRREE!" I can never get enough of that lady saying mary, lol

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před rokem +19

      it's so good. she finds comedy in just saying a name.

  • @GetBenched2010
    @GetBenched2010 Před rokem +16

    Okay, a Jackee/Kelsey Grammer sitcom is the show I never knew I needed.

  • @TheTVsTim
    @TheTVsTim Před 3 měsíci +5

    If it hasn't been mentioned yet, the irony here was that Marla Gibbs as Florence Johnston ended up basically stealing the spotlight from Isabel Sanford on The Jeffersons and got HER own short-lived spinoff as result (Checking In) but it failed and she was brought back to the parent show.

  • @QuasarSniffer
    @QuasarSniffer Před rokem +69

    Absolutely WILD that network sitcoms were so popular that networks could air hit shows on Friday and Saturday nights, which have been timeslot graveyards before and after this era.

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před rokem +27

      We have fond memories of watching Golden Girls, 227, Amen, Empty Nest and Nurses on Saturday nights. And of course TGIF on Fridays.

    • @vinnym5607
      @vinnym5607 Před rokem +4

      ​@@atomicabe "Facts of Life" aired on Saturdays, too.

    • @a.b.sproductionsllc
      @a.b.sproductionsllc Před rokem +3

      In the 80’s and 90’s some networks had huge hits on Friday and Saturday nights. ABC had a number of hits in the 80’s well into the late 90’s on Friday nights, One being “Family Matters.” And CBS dominated Fridays with Dallas and Falcon Crest in the 80’s. NBC had hits on Saturday nights in the 80’s until mid 90’s, 227, AMEN, Golden Girls, Empty Nest while the other networks considered Saturdays death slots.
      CBS managed to have a balance of hit shows on Saturdays up until the early 2000’s.

    • @a.b.sproductionsllc
      @a.b.sproductionsllc Před rokem +2

      @@vinnym5607 Not originally it moved to Saturdays in September 1985.

    • @carayj
      @carayj Před rokem +2

      That's cause we didn't have cable just network TV

  • @COMPFUNK2
    @COMPFUNK2 Před rokem +32

    Raise your hand if you are an 80s baby or older, but you have never heard of the show Rhythm & Blues. 🙋🏾‍♂️

  • @nixboox
    @nixboox Před rokem +76

    Jackee is, was, and always will be the most amazing actress. Her comic timing and delivery is completely unrepresented by any modern comic actor. She's as unique as Mae West and deserves her own show.

    • @JimiLaPointe
      @JimiLaPointe Před rokem +5

      She’s killing it on Days as Paulina Price

    • @GreenLine4444
      @GreenLine4444 Před rokem +6

      She is currently on the drama soap opera Days of our Lives; has been for quite a while. And Marla Gibbs also has been on Days of our Lives many times, playing Jackee's mother. There was even one episode when Marla Gibbs, playing Jackee's mother, came to visit Jackee. Jackee let her in the apartment, and when the apartment door closed, the apartment number was 227. It was really funny.

    • @williammartinez840
      @williammartinez840 Před rokem

      @@GreenLine4444 I hate soap operas but I will be looking at that one cause I love Jackee.

    • @GreenLine4444
      @GreenLine4444 Před rokem

      @@williammartinez840 Yeah, it is an interesting show

    • @anonimothy5979
      @anonimothy5979 Před rokem +1

      I think Anna Marie Horsford from Amen was genius, too.

  • @DreamChaserAtlanta
    @DreamChaserAtlanta Před rokem +14

    I had no idea 227 was a play! 😮

  • @Gen_X_Rosey
    @Gen_X_Rosey Před rokem +7

    I still remember the night that 227 premiered! Oh wow! I remember the little rhyme that the announcer did just before it came on: "227 is the place to be with Marla Gibbs and her ... fa-mi-ly. 227 is the place to go ... premiering next!" Don't ask me how I remember something I saw as a nine-year-old. Oh wow!

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před rokem +4

      "227 is the com-e-dy about Marla Gibbs and her fam-i-ly.
      227 is the place to be, Saturday nights on N-B-C!"

    • @Gen_X_Rosey
      @Gen_X_Rosey Před rokem

      @@atomicabe Now that one, I didn't remember!

  • @DonnyNoMarie
    @DonnyNoMarie Před rokem +73

    227 was a hit, because of the chemistry with the cast. We had our favorites (for me: Mary, Sandra, and Pearl), but we loved them all. Lester, Rose, Brenda, and Calvin were just as important to the fabric of the show.
    When you create a spin-off from a hit TV show, the goal is to get your current audience to tune in to the new show. I'm going to say something a bit controversial, but true... the people who watched 227 fell in love with a black community. In the spin offs, they took "Sandra" and dropped her in a predominately white setting and sprinkled a few black faces into the mix.
    When Isabelle Sandford went from All In The Family to The Jeffersons, she needed Sherman Hemsley, Marla Gibbs, Roxy Roker, Franklin Cover, and Zara Cully to make it pop! Cully, who played Mother Jefferson, was freakin' hilarious!
    My point is, you can't pluck a star from a hit TV show, dropped them in an environment with unfamiliar and underdeveloped characters, and expect magic.

    • @captaincrunch104
      @captaincrunch104 Před rokem +14

      Yes they sure did, just like when they took Florences character from the Jeffersons and gave her a spin-off that completely failed

    • @DonnyNoMarie
      @DonnyNoMarie Před rokem +14

      @@captaincrunch104 you would think they would be smart enough to figure this out. You can't create a successful spin-off by alienating or confusing your viewers.

    • @MountTheodore72
      @MountTheodore72 Před rokem +18

      I need you to follow me with this take: Black characters tend to come across very dominant in television shows. If you take a black character from a predominantly white cast and drop him/her in a predominantly black cast, the show will and has always worked. Case in point, Florida Evans from the show "Maude", a predominantly white cast, she later formed Good Times. The chemistry was beautiful, you felt the kindredness among the cast; same as George and Weezy Jefferson from "All in the Family" later formed the Jefferson's. Even tho the cast was a mixed cast, but the leads were predominantly black. It still works. Harriet Winslow, from "Perfect Strangers", leaves a predominantly white cast, to form "Family Matters" predominantly black cast. Awesome show, it worked.
      Unfortunately, we've seen time and time again where strong black characters tend to never work when snatched from predominantly black cast and dropped into a predominantly white cast. That strong black lead character never fairs well in that environment, as far as ratings. Apparently, the audience can't sense the chemistry, nor the kindredness among the cast. Case in point, Sondra/Jackeé, strong black character, as a lead, dropped in a cast of predominantly white individuals, fails. Isabel Sandford (Weezy) had her run, same thing, failed. Shirley Hempfeld from "What's Happening", didn't do well. Florence, same thing. It's almost as if the strong character becomes watered down. I believe they're trying to make the black character more palpable for white audiences by adding more white characters. But ratings wise, it doesn't work. Almost as if the character is being whitewashed. Again, it never works.
      I may be wrong, but I feel that might be the issue for black characters in certain spinoffs.

    • @sistagirllondon
      @sistagirllondon Před rokem +3

      OUTSTANDING COMMENT!!

    • @sistagirllondon
      @sistagirllondon Před rokem +2

      ​​@@MountTheodore72MG! your comment was AMAZING and THOUGHT-PROVOKING! THANK YOU!
      Has there ever been a white character that they took & put in a mostly black setting??

  • @nassauguy48
    @nassauguy48 Před rokem +5

    Jackee was like many supporting actors and actresses in sitcoms who became popular because of a certain characteristic or gimmick, but these were never enough to star in or carry an entire show.

  • @paranormalgangsta
    @paranormalgangsta Před rokem +53

    As a Black family living in Alabama, I grew up watching 227. And I never knew about these spin-offs. Maybe I was too young, but I use to love this show and had a huge crush on Jackee. But after 227 I got to watch her again growing up but as the mom in Sister Sister. She was also good in the movie Ladybugs!!

    • @IDONTLIKETHATSHIT
      @IDONTLIKETHATSHIT Před rokem +1

      Why'd you start your statement with "As a black family...."? Who cares about your race, that's so irrelevant.

    • @Djrexda1
      @Djrexda1 Před rokem

      @@IDONTLIKETHATSHIT why you pressed about him mentioning his race? Probably the type of person to call people cupcakes

    • @paranormalgangsta
      @paranormalgangsta Před rokem +9

      @I Don't Like That Shit Because this show meant something different for Black families where I'm from. That's why it's relevant for me!! I don't know you, and don't really care what you think is or not relevant for you. Where are you from? Are your people from the U.S.? Are you a Black American? Are you even Black? Because that response seems really questionable! Especially out of that whole comment, the Black family part seemed to upset you. 👀🤔

    • @YankeeGirl226
      @YankeeGirl226 Před rokem

      I loved Ladybugs when I was a kid.😊

  • @GreenLine4444
    @GreenLine4444 Před rokem +64

    Good video. I think, however, at the 3:30 mark you could have given Countess Vaughn more proper acknowledgement. She went on to play the character of Kim Parker on two different TV shows. At one point, both Kelsey Grammer and Countess Vaughn were the two actors playing the longest running television characters, each on different prime time shows; Grammer playing Frasier Crane on both "Cheers" and "Frasier" for several years, and Vaughn playing Kim Parker on both "Moesha" and "The Parkers" for several years.

    • @gamerincorporated154
      @gamerincorporated154 Před rokem +4

      The short answer: nobody cares. They could have kept her off the show.

    • @IDONTLIKETHATSHIT
      @IDONTLIKETHATSHIT Před rokem +9

      The video also didn't mention that one of Regina King's most memorable role(s) were voicing both Riley and Huey on the show "The Boondocks", but give the content creator credit for such an informative video.

    • @differentlydifferent
      @differentlydifferent Před rokem +21

      ​@@gamerincorporated154 if nobody cared she would have never gotten a spinoff called The Parkers

    • @Wonderouz
      @Wonderouz Před rokem

      ​@Ron Isley right tf! "Ain't no mystery"

    • @jusme164
      @jusme164 Před rokem +4

      Kimberly Ann Parker aka Puddin!!! ❤

  • @smoothnubian
    @smoothnubian Před rokem +11

    I always thought The Audit episode was strange. I didn't know it was a pilot for another sitcom

  • @blackamerican40
    @blackamerican40 Před rokem +9

    Sometimes a supporting character should just stay a supporting character.

  • @Drew791
    @Drew791 Před rokem +35

    There’s something so fascinating, yet cringe inducing, about watching topical references in a sitcom format which usually don’t age well. Just maybe because society and pop culture is in a constant state of flux. But I’m still happy to view this, and thank you for sharing!

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před rokem +4

      Absolutely. We found all the '80s topical references in The Audit episode fascinating. It's a real history lesson and flashback. Glad you appreciated them as well.

    • @Attmay
      @Attmay Před rokem +5

      Nowadays, it’s easier to look up a reference you don’t get on a search engine. Even if it does date a show, it’s interesting to see what topics they considered important enough to joke about.

  • @DreQueary
    @DreQueary Před 11 měsíci +3

    In so many of these sitcoms, some of the cast members end up hating each other. It's nice that these ladies managed to stay friendly after all these years. 🙏🏾💖

  • @anonimothy5979
    @anonimothy5979 Před rokem +5

    Hey, Countess Vaughn was a big deal on TV. She went on to get her own show and Rose's daughter played the leading lady in a film, starring opposite Bokeem Woodbine.

  • @edreid7872
    @edreid7872 Před rokem +45

    I loved when they thought the Jackee spinoff was going to be a hit, and replaced her with Toukie Smith, a kooky artist.. When it failed, they awkwardly wrote Jackee back in, half-heartedly and her character was never the same..I love back door episodes.. I blame Norman Lear for being so successful at it...😂

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před rokem +18

      We've done 19 videos about Backdoor Pilots, but we haven't gotten to any of the Norman Lear ones yet. It's wild that there are backdoor pilots for sitcoms, mysteries, teen melodramas -- you name it. We've got more coming.

    • @edreid7872
      @edreid7872 Před rokem +9

      @@atomicabe Back doors are a nice relief sometimes.. And fun to pick apart...the way the main characters disappear after 5 minutes, and return in the last two is hilarious to me..one of my favorites were the attempts on Who's the Boss, and I'm pretty sure you covered it..I love your channel.. And look forward to more..😎

    • @seanm6215
      @seanm6215 Před rokem +3

      ​@@atomicabe you'd need a long one for facts of life. They did at least 3 even before that horrible final that was yet another back door pilot.

    • @blackamerican40
      @blackamerican40 Před rokem +6

      Hmmmm. I wonder if Robert De Niro had a hand in Toukie being on the show.

    • @vinnym5607
      @vinnym5607 Před rokem +2

      Guest Star Jackee.

  • @eastsidereviews727
    @eastsidereviews727 Před rokem +37

    Sucks that issues did come up between Marla Gibbs and Jackee, you can tell they show missed the energy and character of Sandra once she left. Glad they patched things up.
    227 does not get enough love these days for how big of a show it was at its peak, probably the least talked about 80s success show.

    • @endokuken1678
      @endokuken1678 Před rokem +1

      Probably overshadowed by how massive The Cosby Show was at the time

    • @GreenLine4444
      @GreenLine4444 Před rokem +3

      @@endokuken1678 I don't think that's why. That's implying that 227 was overshadowed by The Cosby Show because they were both Black shows. Perhaps if one show were White and the other Black, that may be a plausible reason. I just think sometimes these things happen. Like how the show Perfect Strangers is overlooked and that was a hit show that lasted for 8 seasons, yet no one really talks about that show. And it was a pretty good show; the two lead actors had great chemistry together. Small Wonder is another show that's not mentioned a lot.

    • @gamerincorporated154
      @gamerincorporated154 Před rokem

      ​@@GreenLine4444 them both being black shows has nothing to do with it. During that time, the Cosby Show was overshadowing almost all the shows on television. Why must everything be centered on race? 227 just wasn't as popular to the masses. It was more like Family Matters.

    • @pa.encema2821
      @pa.encema2821 Před rokem +3

      Its also show how popular Jackee was. Funny that Marla Gibbs vouche for Jackee only to get upstaged by her

    • @KrisBryant99
      @KrisBryant99 Před 9 měsíci

      @@GreenLine4444 227 kind of was overshadowed by the Cosby Show just like the Steve Harvey Show was overshadowed by Friends and other sitcoms at the time. Sometimes when you have too much of something, it's hard to get the other thing right away.

  • @ilikeditbetterbefore
    @ilikeditbetterbefore Před rokem +6

    Oh my god... That coffee shop drained me...I wonder why it didn't work. --- And Corine Bohrer later became Veronica Mars' mom

  • @mutechannel13
    @mutechannel13 Před rokem +13

    The smart little girl Alexandrea is Countess Vaughn... Kim from Moesha and The Parkers. She did her thing in the 90s and early 2000s

  • @yell0wberry
    @yell0wberry Před rokem +13

    It sure didn’t hurt that Jackee was pretty damn good on a little show called sister sister.
    I always wondered why they didn’t have a sitcom where they would pair Jackée Harry with Kym Whitley

    • @ebonyrushharrington2197
      @ebonyrushharrington2197 Před rokem

      I do not think they should not an 227 cause of this talented are no longer w/ us R.I.P. , we miss) you'll/ them , some things just leave alone , will / would not be the same without them

    • @abeck7929
      @abeck7929 Před rokem +3

      Jackee actually hated the fact that people compares her to Kym. She would throw lots of shade her way. But Kym recently said things are cool now.

  • @vinnym5607
    @vinnym5607 Před rokem +7

    It's so strange that the last episode of "227" freels like a Christmas episode

  • @gaudeo
    @gaudeo Před rokem +19

    Fantastic info and production values on this. Well done

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před rokem

      Thanks! Glad you like the video.

  • @MrShug2010
    @MrShug2010 Před rokem +12

    To actually be a kid in the 80s and watching this faithfully sure did brings things all in perspective. #227skid

    • @anonimothy5979
      @anonimothy5979 Před rokem +1

      It was the best. I like to think we're the most creative generation.

    • @MrShug2010
      @MrShug2010 Před rokem +1

      @@anonimothy5979 I concur👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @larrydalesowell1016
    @larrydalesowell1016 Před rokem +11

    The tension between Jackee and Marla is reminiscent of the stars of Alice. The character of Flo outshined Alice, so Flo received her own show which also failed.

  • @MrJacalantern
    @MrJacalantern Před rokem +2

    There’s no question why both spinoffs bombed; and well deserved.

  • @curtisthomas2670
    @curtisthomas2670 Před rokem +7

    Jackee and Thelma Hopkins are among the Queens of sitcoms, they're all over the genre in their own shows and as guest stars and they always kill it

    • @danielveiga7909
      @danielveiga7909 Před rokem +1

      I think u meant Telma Hopkins, Thelma is a singer, well Telma is too lol

    • @curtisthomas2670
      @curtisthomas2670 Před rokem

      @@danielveiga7909 yes, Queen Hopkins

    • @LOUISVILLECARDINALS
      @LOUISVILLECARDINALS Před rokem

      Telma Hopkins is such a beauty and very talented she's one of my city's hometown heroes

    • @GeminiladyJackson-xq6hc
      @GeminiladyJackson-xq6hc Před rokem

      Telma Hopkins was part of Tony Orlando and Dawn.

    • @Ccoco8623
      @Ccoco8623 Před 4 měsíci

      Yes! Those 2 stayed on sitcoms over a span of decades!

  • @teeteew.8969
    @teeteew.8969 Před rokem +13

    This was an awesome breakdown, I loved this show growing up

  • @ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary
    @ENDTIMEsVideoLibrary Před rokem +4

    My bandmate was Marla Gibbs adopted son so I did end up meeting Marla and seeing a taping of the show. Marla was very nice..

  • @absolutelypositivelyme
    @absolutelypositivelyme Před rokem +4

    I just watched the whole 27 minutes video about a show I never knew existed and attempted spin offs. CZcams is amazing.

    • @abeiradapraia
      @abeiradapraia Před rokem +1

      Same here!~ I never knew '227' and it's spinoff 'Jackée' existed, but it was a very entertaining watch nonetheless!

  • @52icon
    @52icon Před rokem +12

    Love these back door pilots episodes

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před rokem

      Thanks for watching!

    • @vinnym5607
      @vinnym5607 Před rokem

      They're much better than the episodes themselves.

  • @stephaniehall8179
    @stephaniehall8179 Před rokem +4

    Remember when Florence (Marla Gibbs) from the Jefferson's had her own show for one season? The reason why it failed is the same with Jackee, they made their characters too serious and their supporting cast were the clowns. That never works, because the reason why we follow them to a new show is because of their quick humor that stood out from the rest of the cast..

  • @hatednyc
    @hatednyc Před rokem +9

    Wow, what an AWESOME idea for a series of videos. I LOVE BACK DOOR PILOTS. Ever since I was a kid and would wonder what was up with the one weird episode until I figured it out. Anyway. Great stuff!

  • @MsDisneylandlover
    @MsDisneylandlover Před rokem +4

    Rip Helen

  • @JS-bd5kf
    @JS-bd5kf Před rokem +13

    Love 227 and Jakee. Thanks for this informative episode!

  • @gars129
    @gars129 Před rokem +6

    Jackee and Ron Glass' dynamic really reminds of Jackee's dynamic with Tim Reid in Sister Sister.

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před rokem +3

      Yes! Tim Reid is a great actor as well. Jackee has great chemistry with both Reid and Glass.

    • @wilnerolivier7971
      @wilnerolivier7971 Před rokem

      @@atomicabe Venus Flytrap & Sandra Clark!!

    • @nickimillennium
      @nickimillennium Před rokem +1

      They look slightly similar too

  • @MackeyDeez
    @MackeyDeez Před rokem +14

    I can tell you why Jakee's spin-off miserably failed. It's because they took a character out of their element. We have Sondra a black female character in a show with other black female and male characters. And put her in a show with mostly white characters, which she doesn't have the same black chemistry with. Then too the networks make the same mistake by trying to add "universal appeal" to a show that's even popular amongst white audiences.

    • @anonimothy5979
      @anonimothy5979 Před rokem +1

      When I think of her best moments, they were 227, Women of Brewster Place, Sister, Sister, Everybody Hates Chris, and Amen (as Thelma's old friend). Seems most people don't recognize her pilot or that she was in Ladybugs ⚽ 🐞

    • @tiffaniterris2886
      @tiffaniterris2886 Před rokem

      The cream rises my guy, regardless of the color.

    • @MackeyDeez
      @MackeyDeez Před rokem

      @Tiffani Terris I agree but, this was a unique character taken out of her element for what universal appeal. This is why many black shows ratings fall after so many seasons.

    • @anonimothy5979
      @anonimothy5979 Před rokem

      @@MackeyDeez Would you agree that it seems to work better for recording artists and Black stand-up comics (ie. Eddie Murphy, Michael and Janet Jackson with their back up dancers, entourage, associates, etc)?

    • @anonimothy5979
      @anonimothy5979 Před rokem

      @@tiffaniterris2886 Cream can be skimmed from the top as well. When I saw all the deleted scenes from Percy Jackson & The Olympians, I noticed the majority of them were Brandon T. Jackson's scenes (and they were excellent). One was a fight scene where Brandon looked more like the main hero than the star. And another was so hilarious that I believe his character would've stolen the show because of it. But I'm not mad that none of it made the final cut. In some cases, performers are kept from upstaging the lead, and that's just how it is, I guess.

  • @ljlaw21
    @ljlaw21 Před rokem +12

    Honestly i dunno how this spinoff didn't last! Jackee' is just good on everyyyythinggggg!!

  • @TheWriterWalker
    @TheWriterWalker Před rokem +4

    This was such a joy to watch. Thank you for your respectful analysis. I love Saaahn-dra, Mary, and 227!

  • @jn9907a
    @jn9907a Před rokem +8

    Enjoying the video already. I think it's important notnto gloss over Countess Vaughn in the early overview of the 227 cast. Countess was a unique talent having won Star Search. Post-227, she went on to a featured role in Moesha. That led to a successful spinoff she costarred in alongside Monique. Countess had, perhaps, the most visibility immediately following the 227 amongst the cast.

    • @anonimothy5979
      @anonimothy5979 Před rokem

      EXACTLY. And I loved all her episodes, which is rare for me cause newly added characters got on my nerves, otherwise.

  • @kristinazubic9669
    @kristinazubic9669 Před rokem +5

    Thank you!!!! I love 227 and really liked that Sondra pilot episode, I wish it would have made it to series.

  • @1mrflo
    @1mrflo Před rokem +3

    Zaul tan is giving Morris Day vibes!

  • @jartober
    @jartober Před rokem +4

    227 was brilliant... but Sep of 1985 belongs to The Golden Girls.

  • @DavidRichardson95
    @DavidRichardson95 Před rokem +49

    Seasons 1 to 2 of _227_ were top notch and quality writing. By season 3, Jackée had won the Emmy (Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series) and due to her growing popularity, the episodes/storylines were centered on her. This formula was repeated for the next season when they added Countess Vaughn via her winning on _Star Search_ and earned her role after she said her favorite TV show was _227_ (in the vein of Cousin Oliver on _The Brady Bunch_ and Seven from _MWC_ years later.) but she left (later revealed one of the adult main cast members made disparaging remarks regarding her looks.). Jackée should've gotten more opportunities to capitalize on her popularity (i.e. host _SNL_ during a period when there were hardly any POCs in the main cast, and transition to film, working with the likes of Carl Weathers, Jean-Claude van Damme, Schwarzenegger, etc.)
    I never watch that last season. It was nonsensical, stale and unfunny. Even when they kept Jackée on the show for the final season's first 7 episodes the magic was gone.

    • @carmenblk440
      @carmenblk440 Před rokem +16

      Last seqson was awful only the first 3 seasons were good

    • @wilnerolivier7971
      @wilnerolivier7971 Před rokem +10

      @@carmenblk440 Agree!! Adding Dylan & Stoney Jackson didn't help.

    • @riyadali4082
      @riyadali4082 Před rokem +2

      It was that old goat, Helen Martin who used to bully Countess.

    • @maxtheknife
      @maxtheknife Před rokem +8

      That last season was atrocious!

    • @gamerincorporated154
      @gamerincorporated154 Před rokem +2

      I never watched anything past them bringing Countess Vaughn. When they start adding new kids to already established shows, things start to turn left and become uninteresting

  • @jerseytomato100
    @jerseytomato100 Před rokem +4

    Sandra is one of my all-time favorite characters. Along with Archie Bunker, Thelma Harper “Mama”, and Suzanne Sugarbaker.

  • @technicolordreamer
    @technicolordreamer Před rokem +4

    Interesting how Jackee played a set of twins, then was mom to a set of twins on the tv show Sister Sister.

  • @392_RHINO
    @392_RHINO Před rokem +3

    Great job on putting together this information. ❤

  • @evane.6104
    @evane.6104 Před rokem +3

    This was incredible! I remember the Jackee back door pilot but not so much about the other stuff mentioned. I learned so much. Thanks for posting!

  • @Fordie47
    @Fordie47 Před rokem +2

    "227" was a funny as hell show. Marla Gibbs was fantastic. Jackée Harris couldn't carry this show. She is a crafty comedienne but more in a stand-up role. That is where she excels. With a cast of characters like "Rose" and "Pearl" this show couldn't help but take off! "227" took off where "The Jefferson's" and "Good Times" left off -- high fallutin' funky ass humor!

  • @riship6581
    @riship6581 Před rokem +2

    This was great 👍. Thank you so much.

  • @Hollyw00d__b
    @Hollyw00d__b Před 10 měsíci +1

    This was such an insightful video thank you ❤

  • @farrel13sw
    @farrel13sw Před rokem +3

    Loved the show. This show was incredibly famous in South Africa. It had a prime time Friday slot . Loved the show.

  • @leocook8235
    @leocook8235 Před rokem +13

    This is a fascinating channel. I always learn so much by your research! Please do a few on The Rifleman backdoor pilots as well as Gunsmoke!

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před rokem +3

      Great idea! We'll add Gunsmoke and The Rifleman to our list of upcoming backdoor pilot episodes.

    • @franksmith8298
      @franksmith8298 Před rokem

      I hope Fox's Werewolf is mentioned in some capacity!

  • @seanpowell1661
    @seanpowell1661 Před rokem +4

    The actress that the network executives originally wanted to play Sandra is ...Sheryl Lee Ralph.
    However, Marla Gibbs felt that Sheryl was "too sophisticated" to play Sandra. Although Sheryl is a great comedic actress, she couldn't bring what Jackee' did to the role. A year later, Ralph joined the cast of It's A Living when Ann Jillian left the show.

  • @marctronixx
    @marctronixx Před rokem +1

    wow this was nicely done. YT recommended this episode and now i need to watch more.

  • @ceemore7778
    @ceemore7778 Před rokem +7

    Countess Vaughn actually had a decent TV career.

    • @nickimillennium
      @nickimillennium Před rokem +3

      More than decent. She was a regular Moesha for years then had her own spin-off The Parkers which also had a successful run.

    • @ceemore7778
      @ceemore7778 Před rokem

      @@nickimillennium totally agree 🙌

    • @markelijio6012
      @markelijio6012 Před rokem +1

      @@nickimillennium It was all thanks to Aaron Spelling, who gave Countess to join Moesha and its spin-off, The Parkers.
      Both programs were incredibly successful and profitable.

  • @CanaryDiamond82
    @CanaryDiamond82 Před rokem +1

    This was one of my favorite shows as a kid, I enjoyed the video 👍🏾👍🏾

  • @seanm6215
    @seanm6215 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Loved the look of that health club. They should have kept the set. It would have been great for like Saved by the bell or something with all those pastel colors.

  • @ddbjg
    @ddbjg Před rokem +6

    Jakee.was great on 227

  • @ambitiousldy
    @ambitiousldy Před 7 měsíci +4

    Marla Gibbs didn't strike me as the jealous type. She fought for Jackeé to get the role. I suppose after playing second fiddle to Sherman Hemsley and Isabel Sanford for years she wanted to be in the spotlight.

  • @pumbaaj
    @pumbaaj Před rokem +16

    I'll never forget Barry Sobel , the white "urban contemporary" high school teacher.

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před rokem +4

      Yeah, we remember him from Revenge of the Nerds 2 as well. He played a lot of dorky guys.

  • @scottstallings5029
    @scottstallings5029 Před rokem +2

    WE LOVE ❤️ 😍 YOUR CHANNEL!! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!! THANK YOU ❤️

  • @joey_dangerously
    @joey_dangerously Před rokem +10

    The problem with the spinoffs....is that there were too many white people.

    • @Jamessmith-xk3fh
      @Jamessmith-xk3fh Před rokem +7

      See I said that on an earlier comment. Taking a show about black people and with the first pilot making it a white cast and then Jakee taking her from a black neighborhood with an all black cast moving her to New York and putting her with an all white cast 🤦

  • @javieravalentin
    @javieravalentin Před rokem +5

    I Remember Watching The Jackee Episode When I Was Younger And Knowing That It Was A Spin-Off But Kinda Being Upset That It Didn’t Get Picked Up! Oh The Possibilities!! You Should Check Out The That’s So Raven Backdoor Pilot Episode Entitled “Goin’ Hollywood.” Jackee Harry Also Starred In That Backdoor Pilot As Well, Coincidentally!

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před rokem +3

      Interesting! We will check out the That's So Raven backdoor pilot.

  • @Shishio28
    @Shishio28 Před rokem +2

    Another great video

  • @solo13th
    @solo13th Před rokem +9

    I love this series so much ❤. Please do them forever!

  • @Beast_Lee
    @Beast_Lee Před rokem +1

    Thanks for this! I was thinking about this spin-off last week thinking it was a fever dream

  • @songsthatwork
    @songsthatwork Před rokem

    Great video. Thank you for this work.

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před rokem

      Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.

  • @arodriguez7158
    @arodriguez7158 Před rokem +4

    She should have been giving a black cast.

  • @thugzman7890
    @thugzman7890 Před rokem +1

    Gotta new favorite channel!! This is unique!

  • @true90skid
    @true90skid Před rokem +5

    This was great except when you shaded Countess Vaughan who played Alexandria. #227 jump-started her career as an actress. She starred on #Moesha as #KimParker and eventually got her own long running successful spin-off show called #TheParkers! #KimParker #Monique #Brandy #SherylLeeRalph

    • @sarahsimpkins1311
      @sarahsimpkins1311 Před rokem

      Also I remember when countess Vaughn started on Star Search

  • @nicholefontaine9299
    @nicholefontaine9299 Před rokem +7

    I loooooooove 227

  • @anthonycerulli1423
    @anthonycerulli1423 Před rokem +8

    Jackee was the sexiest woman alive at that time.

    • @powerbadpowerbad
      @powerbadpowerbad Před rokem +3

      YES,she sure was. I had a huge crush on her character back then. LOL.

  • @runwaystylemedia
    @runwaystylemedia Před rokem +1

    Great Content!

  • @jrsmith1998
    @jrsmith1998 Před rokem +5

    I was only a kid back then. And at the time, the 227 coffee shop episode was even weird to me.

  • @chron3756
    @chron3756 Před rokem

    great content, just searched the Helen Martin Conan interview and busted out laughing lol

  • @MsDisneylandlover
    @MsDisneylandlover Před rokem +1

    I never saw that espsiode before of 227 thanked God I remember the saved bell episodes with drugs

  • @alienmoosestudios
    @alienmoosestudios Před rokem

    Thanks for an awesome video. Always been a fan of 227!!! This was veey entertaining 😁🤩😍💖🥰

  • @lyric_S.15
    @lyric_S.15 Před rokem +2

    thanks for the video i enjoy it

  • @mookeychase0907
    @mookeychase0907 Před rokem +1

    Great channel had to sub instamtly👊🏾💯😉

  • @charlita25
    @charlita25 Před rokem +1

    This was good and very informative

  • @lupemilian2504
    @lupemilian2504 Před rokem +1

    ❤❤Very Interesting Info Thanks For Sharing

  • @JustAPrayer
    @JustAPrayer Před 8 měsíci

    Unfortunately this show aired before I was born but I love Jackee’s comedy so I will be watching it. Thanks for introducing me!

  • @martyhall3922
    @martyhall3922 Před 8 měsíci +2

    The guy eavesdropping for stock secrets (the horror!) Is Frank Luz. He starred in Free Spirit with Corrine Bohrer.

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před 8 měsíci +1

      Good catch! Free Spirit was great. Corrine Bohrer costarred in a pilot with Jackee we discuss in this episode. And of course she played Veronica Mars' mom.

  • @stellabellafontay9366
    @stellabellafontay9366 Před rokem +1

    This was wonderful. New subscriber.

  • @amcaesar
    @amcaesar Před rokem +4

    In the annals of eponymous sitcoms with the lead character named something different from the title, there was also "The Michael Richards Show" (2000) where he played a PI named "Vic Nardozza."

    • @atomicabe
      @atomicabe  Před rokem +1

      True. "Nardozza" sounds like a ABC cop show from Steven Bochco.

    • @pysq8
      @pysq8 Před rokem +2

      The name of The Cosby Show used to bother me because of that. 😅

    • @amcaesar
      @amcaesar Před rokem +1

      @@pysq8 I take your point.

  • @ebonyepps2261
    @ebonyepps2261 Před rokem +4

    They started forcing unnecessary characters on 227 & the Jackee pilot that's why it did not work. If it's not broke don't fix it.

  • @moonprincesst.s.h.4ever115

    Pee-Wee Herman was on 227! 🤯

  • @DivaDivaFashionista
    @DivaDivaFashionista Před rokem +8

    The spinoff didn’t work because it was too different from what we already liked. She could have just moved and had new neighbors.

    • @carmenblk440
      @carmenblk440 Před rokem

      That could have been true but the episode did get good ratings

    • @GreenLine4444
      @GreenLine4444 Před rokem +1

      Yeah, that's why I think the show "Flo" didn't work, it was a spin-off of "Alice". Flo was played by actress Polly Holliday, who was very, very good. She was even nominated for several Emmy Awards. She got her own show because Linda Lavin on "Alice" was hard to work with. "Flo" lasted for two seasons, probably because the new environment they put Flo in was very different from where she had been. Also, the network kept changing the day and times of its airing so that didn't help.

  • @maximusprime3459
    @maximusprime3459 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Jackee earned her own series but, thing is the character of Sandra doesnt work in a different environment with a different cast of characters surrounding her.

  • @JeffWarren47
    @JeffWarren47 Před rokem

    Great video.

  • @YakkoWarnerTower
    @YakkoWarnerTower Před rokem +1

    I never watched 227 but I do remember seeing reruns a lot while zapping channels in the 90's and 00's I didn't known that show had a spinoff lol.

  • @josephd15
    @josephd15 Před rokem +9

    Primetime tv at it's best. 227, cosby show, different world, Golden girls, empty nest, amen

  • @LeimertDreamer
    @LeimertDreamer Před rokem +7

    Really well put together video on one of my favorite characters from one of my favorite shows ever!
    One small error: at the 25:00 mark it says “Sandra was never mentioned again” after Jackee left the show. But she actually was mentioned during the final season’s Christmas episode where Mary did an imitation of her. That episode was called “Guess Who’s Not Coming to Christmas”. It was actually quite hilarious but probably helped put the ‘nail in the coffin’ for the show so to speak, as it only made us miss Sandra even more.
    Anyway, great video! 💯

  • @COMPFUNK2
    @COMPFUNK2 Před 5 měsíci +1

    4:53 - Teddy Wilson was sort of an all-purpose guest star in the 70s and 80s.

  • @neolazo8182
    @neolazo8182 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Good job

  • @benisrael2948
    @benisrael2948 Před rokem +2

    I used to watch 227back In the day all the time. And Jackie's character really stood out She is very funny.😂