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I wish movies would go away from the cheap 24fps blurred still screen effect to show smoother motion and start doing way higher res with at least 60fps. The better people can make that look real would be more convincing. People are just used to the old cheap low frames per second approach but if they seen some very high resolution, high fps movies, it could feel more immersive. Who is going to be the first to really dive into this? I would be very interested in these.
DOPE! I think ian just made me realize i need to stick to my day job hahaha
@@Jsfilmz I know right?! Just when you make something cool in Blender, boom... Ian did it a hundred times better and fixed that little issue you worried hours about lol.
Why? This one was painful enough.
i do not agree, your saying you enjoyed Gemini man?
Just saw Avatar 2 and I can’t get over how photo-real everything looks. I need someone working on the shot to tell me what’s fake cuz I couldn’t tell.
Yea ! i can't wait a full breakdown reveal for weta even if 3-4 shoot looked weird, wanna know why
Fairly certain only 2 shots in the entire 3 hours movie were real...
Because there is almost no human in the whole movie.
And you can see little things sometimes when there is
I was thinking of the boat’s war sequence (crash, explosion) when I said that before
But animation, water, hair/fur is mind blowing
Usually I can figure it out how they made it but here…
that's what I wanted to hear. Not seeing it until the 26th
@@kylep7353 The plot is kinda mid, especially the beginning imo, but it's such a beautiful spectacle that you won't even be paying attention to the plot.
I think that, as an artist, the best compliment you can get is when people argue whether your creation is CG or Real
Same! I'm still trying to achieve that goal! But they still look cg!
@@dicey-bd4hh keep trying! I, random internet stranger, believe in you! :D
frfr
Even if it looks like it did 13 years ago, that's just a testament to how incredibly ahead of its time the first movie was.
Yeah I watch Avatar every couple years and it's constantly outperforming just about all CGI I'm seeing in current movies, so that doesn't surprise me.
@@hiair man you need some hugs
@@hiair I mean, I remember there being news articles about people being super depressed because they weren't living on Pandora.
But it doesn't
@@hiair I'm so sorry you're visually impaired. I hope you can find a good prescription some day!
I genuinely don't understand peoples reaction to the new Avatar trailer. I saw that and was blown away and speechless. It made me realize just how far technology has come because before I thought that CGI fully crossing the uncanny valley was impossible, until I saw this trailer and I felt nothing but excitement for what the future holds for CGI.
While it looks good, I was blown away by how the music perfectly captures the sensation of being underwater.
As a trailer its completely different from any others we get nowadays - no spoilers just making you excited.
Because nowadays clowns are taking everything for granted 🙄
I think a CZcams video doesn’t do it justice because it has to be compressed. Seeing the trailer itself in a theater is so much better.
And I thought that people would be as mindblown by the trailer as we were, but I guess the Avatar hatedom isn’t gone even in the 2020s…
@@celparadise3726 Literally what are you talking about. The specific frame you're calling out looks better than the skin texture of the original movie. Fucking hell... "tHe StAr ThInGiEs" people would find something to complain about even if it was literally perfect. You griping has nothing to do with the animation but the fact you don't like the design, highlighted by your negative wording. They aren't human, so the expectation for them to have the exact same skin texture is hilarious. You're also looking at a shot that has blown out high sun lighting. Facing the light, most real-world capture will also lose texture detail, while surfaces that reflect more instead of scatter (LIKE HAIR) will not lose texture in the same way and will look more "high detail". Use your fucking brain dude.
James Cameron started out as a VFX guy and is a DIY legend. I not only think he would be a great guest on this show, but I predict he will be a guest come the end of the year!
that would be insane
That would be absolutely crazy. Imagine having him there
Cameron is a work-a-holic. He said a year ago that he doesn't even have two-days to spare to approve an HD/4K master of _The Abyss._ I honestly can't see him taking the time to sit down just to shoot the breeze with a couple of guys on a CZcams channel.
Dude its James FU €KING Cameron !!!
James Cameron started out as a truck driver.
"I think it's just a few people with loud voices."
Man, this is true for so many instances of "internet outrage". Every time I see an article that says something like "internet up in arms about x", if you actually track it down to the sources, it's like three twitter accounts.
The internets crazy, dude
Yup. Always.
Goes to show how rigged the internet social media / Twitter is. And by the way this happens across all sides of anything - essentially you get a super polarized experience on modern social media.
And out of those three twitter accounts, 2 are probably bots.
Just watched Avatar 2 (twice) and god, every single shot looks photo realistic. There isn't 1 shot that took me out of the experience.
Unfortunately, there were a few that took me out of the film. Nothing with the Nav’i, but most of the rag dolling or cgi humans…
@@dexterthielhelm4342 tbh its actually really hard to make ragdoll humans when they die because noone is a psychopath and base it off of a real person dying which is very cruel
The shark like creature is a bit disappointing, otherwise everything else is outstanding.
the fight scene with jake and the general (cant remember his name) took me out, their hand combat was clearly low-resolution simulations, other than that the movie was perfect
@@dexterthielhelm4342 The Australian guy getting his arm amputated rag doll? That certainly looked way too rag doll for me, but eh, he deserved it.
You see, the problem with Avatar 2's CGI is that it's leaped *sooo* far across the Uncanny Valley that people refuse to believe it's not real.
That's right where Jim wants it to be. He calls it the uncanny valley sweet spot where most people can tell it's not real, but at the time time can believe that it could be real.
I was a huge fan of the original cgi but personally I find the new characters very uncanny.
@@s6r231oooh
I feel like that is exactly what James Cameron was going for. I mean there were scenes of the Na’vi next to Spider, a real human. And the aliens and the humans looked real. I think the best seen that really displayed the advancement in visual effects was the scene where Jake is talking to Kiri at night above the water. Or any shot of a characters face coming out of the water. You could see how the beads of water reacted with every single pore. Incredible.
@@s6r231 IS IT JIM OR IS IT JAMES
I suggest you guys take a look at Prehistoric Planet by David Attenborough - possibly the most realistic looking dinosaurs filmed through the perspective of a documentary. Just gorgeous.
I second this
Yes and also Disney's Dinosaur (2000)
good shout, I'm currently watching through that show with my kids, 3 eps in so far and it's brilliant
Yeah, a comparison with Walking with Dinosaurs which was state of the art for 1999 but doesn't compare to the incredible detail of Prehistoric Planet. Walking With still better captures the magic and is superior in terms of storytelling I feel though. Even just that score...!
YES
Just knowing James Cameron has lifetime career experiences studying underwater life just has me so excited for the sequel. Just the imagination that make pandora going underwater is just crazy.
I normally skip the sponsor section but I really appreciate Jake's effort and desperation. 5 Stars
Im glad you wrote this since I have sponsor block XD
We don’t rate by stars here anymore. You’re living in the late 2000s.
The fact that Ian Hubert's animation is played right after the Avatar 2 trailer and still holds its own makes Ian a true common man's legend!
Knowing what motivates James Cameron, I feel like the whole point of Avatar is to show the advancement of CG. That’s why I don’t see him slipping live action water shots into the movie. He’s doing the sequel in a water environment precisely because he wants to show how revolutionary the water tech is.
That's the thing, they are not showing the advancement, they are literally making it for the movie.
@@HomoErectusIsAFunnyName If you've been watching the academic realm, there's been loads of progress in the last few years and now I bet they're taking some of those papers and using the concepts on film for the first time.
But they did film live action water shots. Like the hand close up pulling the leather straps.
@@KeevySaru Considering I worked on the film and was standing there in the studio when they filmed this shot I think I might know what I’m saying. I’m not saying it’s 100 percent real but they did actually film it.
@@andrewillis3957 maybe as a reference of sorts?
Obviously it must be frustrating seeing the arguments around Avatar 2 as VFX artists, but just the fact some people are convinced that it's real is testement to the quality of the work in a way, it's so good that people can't even believe it's effects anymore. Then you've got the other crowd ofc who think it doesn't look any better but I guess that comes down to the classic problem where when VFX gets to a certain quality, especially on small scale shots, it goes unnoticed by a lot of viewers, despite being hell of a lot of work (sometimes more than spectecle shots) and great technical achievements. Great breakdown of the advances made, that water is insane!
@Cadwaladr kinda off topic, but I also noticed in Pixar films, that in stuff like Toy Story, the camera was almost always static. But as you watch their films in order, you can see how they learned to use real world camera techniques in a virtual space, and now their shots are really dynamic, to the point that they use different "lenses" and camera shake to convey more information to the viewer. In Soul the camera is really slow and flowing while he's in the afterlife place, and when he's in the real world, the camera moves very abruptly, almost jerking the viewer around, which both add to the themes of the film.
Sorry for that tangent haha just always thought that was cool
Part of it does just come down to eyes. 61% of people need vision correction, and an estimated 17% of people don't notice. Even then, few people keep up with their prescriptions. Without my glasses I can't tell trees have individual leaves unless it's short and I'm at the trunk. My eyes aren't terrible either, 20/30. To a lot of us, some of the new advances are long past the point of mattering, because the slight blur our eyes just removes them. Like I can notice things like physics or water simulation, those are super cool...but anything involving greater detail. It's like playing an 8k movie on an HD moniter.
Yep! It also important to know that the rule of popularity is that whatever something is successful and popular, you're going to have half of the people hating on it and other people loving it. When it come to VFX, it's usually safe to ignore people criticizing it unless it's obscenely bad like Sonic movie before they do-over the sonic model.
Preach. Everyone's like "Practical is better than CGI because I can always tell when something is CGI." Then they see state-of-the art CGI, and they're all "that's practical"
The water in the first Avatar was all CG as well. When you guys covered that in an older video, it blew my mind. It still looks so real to this day.
I was absolutely blown away by The Way of Water trailer! It looks phenomenal! People take so much for granted and aren’t really good at looking at details. Most artists who pay attention who obsessed over detail have that same eye.
Glad I'm not the only one that got the belt tightening scene stuck on my mind. There are 100s of mind-blowing shots in that trailer, but that one shot is the most impressive to me.
The belt tightening scene is definitely brilliant but what really got me in the scene were the nails. Nails have always looked kinda floaty or a weird in a lot of CGI creations. The nails on his hands, though - the look real - the detailing and the fact it actually responds to the water and how the water forms around it. Everything about the scene is excellent.
Avatar 2 is literally called "The Way of Water" and people don't think they're using the most cutting edge techniques and simulations on it? Lol. Plus the insane budget it has. The first one pushed cgi to its limits for the time and this one looks to be as well.
Giant blue Thundercats who screw with their tails is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. And it takes itself so seriously it makes it even goofier. How does.anyone look at these big eyes.bkue things and think "frickin sweet looking man" like who? It's unbelievable Cameron designed these stupid things. He's usually better than this.
@@treborkroy5280 no one asked.
@@treborkroy5280 THEY LOOK REALISTIC
@@joehorn1762
I second that. Man needs to stfu
@@treborkroy5280 I’m sorry but your opinion is invalid
Avatar 2 was amazing. Can't wait to see what kind of content y'all make about that incredibly eye-popping film
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Those thinking "it looks the same as 2009" need their heads examined. *See this thing in IMAX 3D ... or at the very least, the biggest 3D format your area offers*
James Cameron has reached his dream... putting you IN the movie, and I can personally attest - it's like you're taken away to a REAL place with REAL everything. If a movie was a lucid DMT trip of realness, this was it. Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, triggered your brain that this was not real live-action shot footage and actors. PS: This is *exactly* what 3D is for, the way Cameron uses it. To all those idiots who have preached 3D is a 'gimmick' for the last 20 years... Avatar 2 buries your ancient viewpoint, 1000 feet underground.
@@abandoned-mines-novascotia this.
No strangeness. Feels like they sent a camera crew to another planet.
The detail is unreal. I saw it in IMAX 3D. SO GOOD. The first movie looks plastic-y after seeing the second one.
@@luke_mckay I should also mention that there are many triumphs beyond simply the advancement in CGI realism and water simulation... *THE ANIMALS* in Avatar 2 are so real, you'd swear they are living creatures that exist. It's not just their artistic detail visually... it's their movement.
Avatar 2009 was great, but creatures still had that "Jurassic Park dinosaurs" type of artificial-ness that human intuition picks up instantly. Just that fine nuance of CGI animation... no matter how great they *look*
In Avatar 2 - none of the creatures give off any CGI animation vibe. It's simply absent now. I completely remember the desire to touch and pat some of the animals... with full natural instinct that they were REAL... it threw me once I snapped back to reality.
Cameron said the shots are all performance captured. That shot of that hand near water is a real hand, saddle and water were apparently real. He’s blending both and that’s why its so impressive.
Titling a CG movie titled "The Way of Water" almost sounds like a demo to flex your water-sims.
Pretty much every James Cameron film is either a tech demo, or an excuse to go on a deep diving expedition
kind of the thing with movies like this, they're glorified tech demo's. sure the story might be good or whatever (probably not but it's possible) but that's not why movies like this are being made. it's not like we need a new avatar movie cuz everyone wants to see the story continue or is so attached to the characters or something. as far as movies go the original was pretty average and forgettable, not like we're still referencing it or anything like we are with the ''true classics". it's basically being made to show of all the cool CGI effects.
@@zwenkwiel816 yes but y'know. It's still great to see. I love pretty things, i also love complex movies like blade runner, but both have a reason to exist.
and that's fine, not all movie need to be a storytelling masterpiece
@@zwenkwiel816 You apparently think you speak for the rest of the world, I see. You have nothing but the same clichéd generic argument. You spout your opinion like it's absolute fact and yet, it is the same repeated diatribe that its detractor have spouted before. The irony of decrying something for not being original and yet lack the self awareness you bring nothing original to the table as well.
Avatar was already a CGI masterpiece, the second one will be an even bigger one. I can’t wait for it to get out, I’ve been waiting for so long!
nope
I hope the story is *actually* good! The first one is a technical marvel but the story is super lacking.
Maybe IF they have good story, then I might watch it.... on Netflix.
I'm so excited for the movie. If you've seen Cameron's chat with Denis Villeneuve (another great director), he's planned everything up to the Avatar 5 storywise. Planning things like shooting all the characters beforehand and waiting 6 years until the kids are allowed to age up 6 years and then resuming the shooting. That level of planning that went into this is insane! I can't wait to watch it.
@@SubinGeorge26 yeah it’s amazing right! I believe up to 3 have been confirmed already!
I just want to note, the VFX team actually confirmed the the hand-in-water shot actually *_WAS_* shot practically, and not CGI. I'm curious what Corridor would have to say about it, but it actually was skin painted blue as well. There was some CGI used for the parts of the arm above the wrist, but the hands, straps, cloth, water, etc were all real.
(source: _Befores and afters_ article _"Why the CG water in ‘The Way of Water’ looks so good"_ )
I was very disappointed to read that. Maybe they ran out of time to run the fluid simulation that would be needed?
@@homer3189 or maybe they decided they could just film it practically for that extra level of accuracy. They were already filming in actual water anyway and they had the technology and skill to blend in the cgi parts so well that no one could tell the difference.
As a software developer, SFX and VFX artist I know how frustrating it is with VFX. When you do it really well, nobody sees it. For Dunkirk my mentor who was a subcontractor for DNEG contacted me to help him out with the aerial shot. The shot had been refused twice because the oil and the life vests and other debris didn’t feel to be in the real shot. So what I did (and I’m still proud of that, because I’m terrible at maths), was to track high contrast points in the waves and push the X and Y vector up in that direction and basically created a dynamic 2D mesh warp that is added to the vectors of the camera track. And all that for 2 seconds of film and a dozen or so of CG elements between actual stuff. And suddenly it fit. But then nobody sees it.
When I do a cool SFX make up or make a nice electronic prop, people are like: “woah that person is obviously not really injured but it looks like he is!” So practical solutions are more visible and ironically, therefore often more appreciated. I also see that in my freelance IT career. When I write backend and CI/CD solutions people take it for granted because it’s hidden. When you write a simple ugly GUI to help them out in their daily work, they orgasm at the sight of it. We I build an pill counting machine for a pharmacy they were ecstatic. The fact that the whole pharmacy can only operate because of the other software my client made, they don’t see. Because “it’s been since the came to work there. It has become invisible to them.”
You can do it very realistic, or like a PS5 game. James obviously choose second option. To be honest I'm quite surprise with this plague trend, most of pre 2019 AAA movies had excellent photorealistic CGIs which you literally can't distinguish from real. Then Marvel's Eternals, and Uncharted movie are example of CGI almost on TV show level from 00's (very artificial and plastic looking).
You guys should react to Prehistoric Planet with David Attenborough and also essentially the older version of it which is Walking With Dinosaurs from BBC which also had groundbreaking VFX for its time and that was also a series that dominated my childhood.
Also you guys should react to more video game related stuff, like the amazing graphics and snow simulations in Black Myth Wukong, the water physics in Horizon Forbidden West, etc.
They should look into original Star Trek and look into the effects
Yeah, they really should look at Prehistoric Planet. Especially the close-up shots. I don't even know how they pulled up such scenes.
I came here to make the same comment, glad you already did it !
Ian Hubert is a Blender Legend. When I started in Blender he was one of the first people I watched. Go show him some love as his Blender film is incredible with insane Visual effects.
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apart from being just a stupendous artist I think the best thing he did was destroy the myth that you have to make every nut and bolt of your world from scratch, his technique is the best and popularizing it with people learning 3d now has really freed a lot of people, me included, from a prison of perfectionism
A Blegend if you will.
sad that you will never make it by learning blender, no one uses it professionally.
@@unrefusableoffer4412 Only on the older bigger companies that are slow to change; many newer/smaller ones do use Blender professionally. It has been used on TV stuff, advertising, many foreign studios, some game studios; and I've even heard of it occasionally being used for some smaller elements and pre-production content and stuff on bigger movies occasionally.
Ever since the trailer for Avatar: The Way if Water was released, I've been hardcore nerding over that single shot of the hand fastening the leather strap; it looks so realistic, I'm so happy that you addressed it!
Avatar 2009 was incredible for its time
it's still incredible lol
@@gregwxst yeah it still has better cgi than a lot of movies today lol
When the trailer first came out I told my wife about the water/leather strap shot and tried explaining why its so incredible. And she didn’t understand. Now I’m vindicated!!!
@@supremelordoftheuniverse5449 i cant tell if you’re serious but either way im laughing my ass off
@@supremelordoftheuniverse5449 but are you blue?
Here's the problem with Avatar, it'll always look fake because of the unrealistic camera.movement. It's floaty and weightless and gives anything it captures an artificial look. Ground the camera in a realistic and familiar manner like say.. Spielberg's War of the Worlds. Avoid the Marvel style of flipping the camera around like it's a bucket tied to the end of a rope being swing around and it'll look better. Cameron doesn't get it and he's a professional m
@@treborkroy5280 You don't know what you are talking about, both in this movie as well as in the original Avatar, they deliberately used camera movements that are 100% archive-able by real cameras rigs, most of the time its James Cameron himself holding a virtual camera rig and filming the virtual scene exactly the same way as he would do it in a real scenario. Also with modern drones you can actually film all the "impossible" floaty and weightless movements that CGI is known for. The distinction between artificial and real does not exist anymore.
@@RyoMassaki Looks pretty unrealistic. I mean a camera normally doesn't fly around capturing film like a hummingbird. I used Spielberg's War of the Worlds to give an example. And that film and Avatar have fastly different camera angles and movement. One is grinded and realistic and Avatar is cartoonishm
Not only was Ian a massively influential and knowledgeable guests to have, but he also seemed to genuinely get along and the three of you have excellent chemistry with him
Hopefully we'll see him as recurring guest on this
Hopefully they will let him talk more! I see (hear) this alot with other guests as well. "Here is our guest, he's just gonna sit there and listen to us and see if he agrees."
I hope so too. I really wanted them to talk about his most recent film with him there. Ian is such a blender genius.
I wanna see a full episode review of Avatar 2 FX!!!
the Avatar 2 trailer looks how i remember Avatar 1 looking back in 2009, but when i actually review Avatar 1 footage i realize that James Cameron's team just actually perfectly nailed how my memory would warp things to keep them current. they literally modernized the art style without really changing it and that's an incredible feat, even if it's confusing a lot of folk.
IAN HUBERT is a LEGEND. His lazy tutorials single handedly got me into Blender!
Same! His lazy tutorials taught us to not worry about modeling high-detailed things, unwrapping UV maps and texturing.
Those tutorials aren't just funny and useful, they make you do all the stuff he glosses over yourself, which dramatically improves learning outcomes compared to conventional step-by-step tutorials.
@@Aurich88 I mean. I feel like that's the joy of it. He shows you how to make everything in scene but its up to you how you want the final render to turn out and that gives you the chance to learn/experiment instead of copying a video. Most of his lazy tutorials aren't like "how to make a fully animated robot", those tuts do need step by step. His tuts though are at its core teaching techniques that can be applied to any scene. Thats why they are good imo. While tuts are good, some of the best ways of learning is experimenting yourself(and struggle doing so). I have a few friends who recently got into blender and cant get out of the tutorial rut. I wanna say thats where step by step tuts suffer. Unless if youre self aware, most people get stuck in the rut of doing only tutorials. To reword, they can only follow a step by step guide to build 1 specific thing. In my opinion, the best tutorials are the ones who teach you techniques, etc to make your own things. Sorry for the "rant". I just like talking.
@@Dr_Ender Agree completely. As someone who does a lot of tutorials, the default experience is having a finished product and asking yourself "Did I actually learn anything?" Hubert's lazy tutorials are a breath of fresh air 'cause they just blast the important concepts right into your brain in no time at all.
Holy crap, I've never seen Ian Hubert before, but not only is his work incredible, his honest breakdowns of how basically everything he's doing is cheating are such an amazing way to help me appreciate his work even more. What a great artist.
His channel is great, I love his sense of humor.
Oh boy are you in for a ride!
He gave me hope in modelling
Also check out William Landgren, another master of that style.
Its not cheating, it's problem solving
Avatar 2 is gonna be gorgeous! This is one of two movies this year that I have to see in the theater
Same for me the other film is clerks 2
4:04 It's actually part practical and part CGI:
“We shot that practically,” he explains. “At the time, there was talk about whether that shot was going to be [used for] reference, or whether it was going to be in the film. It looked really good, what had been done - but it was just the hand that was practical. So we had the challenge of connecting that hand, mid-arm, to a CG arm, which was connected to a CG body, which was sitting on a CG skimwing. And then we had some practical water as well that then had to connect to CG water. So it's a mix. The hand and water surrounding [the shot] is practical. The rest is digital.”
Source is Techradar (links not allowed on this channel).
Honestly when looking at Ians stuff right after the avatar trailer and knowing one is probably the best CGI Team on the planet and one is a single genious person, Ians stuff REALLY shines!
kind of seems like a waste though, like imagine Ian's stuff with an Avatar 2 budget. or perhaps that's just not possible because money will get in the way of creativity or something.
but still that dude should be leading a team and make even bigger stuff IMO.
there are diminishing returns when it comes to budget. Ian's specialty is to get 80% of the results with 20% of the effort. Giving him twice the budget wouldnt make his stuff look twice as good
@@zwenkwiel816 I’m not the biggest fan of M. Night, but he does seem to shine more with less.
@@mudumudu9614 it would make it a longer though. Like the overall style and everything is very nice but as far as I know it's mostly unrelated shorts and shit. Would be nice to see something like this in a full length movie or series or something
i loved avatar one and simply how amazing it looked especially in a time of animation evolving. this looks fucking incredible. anyone saying otherwise acting like it doesn’t is because they are the person who knows absolutely nothing on the field but has the most to say about it. happens in everything today. i can’t wait for Avatar 2!
> knows absolutely nothing on the field but has the most to say about it
Dunning-Kruger Effect in action
Avatar 2 was literally the best cgi movie I've ever seen and it's not even close... The film deserves high praise!
I thought that was shot practically, that is an actors hand painted blue to match Jake's, the water is real. The upper strap is cg but that small plate was given to Weta to expand the outside of the plate. So the hand and water on the hand is technically real and practical with cg extending the scene. There is a whole article on the process from avatar
I’d legit watch an entire series of this show just about old timey special effects. That practical way of creating special effects will always be more impressive to me than computer simulations, and I’m not try to take anything away from CG artists- I just think there’s a certain “magic trick” element of that old school practicality.
Where filmography gets _really_ crazy is when both are employed. Practical effects to get that real-life feeling that a computer can't mimic, and then CGI to pretty the shot up and add in a few things that realistically just can't be done.
agreed, i love the segments that break down old visual and practical effects!
It would have been nice to discuss how important 3D is to Avatar 2, as with stereoscopic renders there can be no lens & depth of field, leading to extremely detailed 3D effects. You can see every little lapse and splash like it's really there, even more so than any other elements in the scenes I saw in the trailer. So for a shot like the 'hands close up', it only makes sense to do it in CG so that the 3D can have maximum impact.
honestly avatar is just the most if not one the most groundbreaking movies with the most innovative CGI and visual effects. No wonder people find it hard to believe that stuff was achievable. James cameron is honestly the master mind if not the legend of his craft, i love him and avatar so much >>>>
Even if it was for a joke, you gotta appreciate how much Sam(and the rest of them) appreciate Nikos knowledge of certain things to actually call him in to explain something they arent quite grasping.
Agreed!
The new Avatar Trailer blew my mind. Cant understand why people argue about it. I can fully understand why they need such a long time to produce it.
I can see why it took that long, I just can't see why they would bother.
@@spelcheak because it's one of the highest grossing films ever?
Cgi is so common now that it just comes across as any old high concept film.
What people are primarily complaining about is that _Avatar 2_ doesn't look dramatically better than the original _Avatar,_ which, to be honest, it doesn't, but that's only because the original _Avatar_ was so far ahead of its time that it still looks better than many films released today.
@@Durwood71 Not only this, but the reason it doesn't look dramatically better than the original is because JC is a perfectionist and already did such a good job (especially on the characters) that for the most part he didn't NEED to update. Kinda like how WETA didn't need to improve the detail of their work during the switch from HD to 4K because they were already working at such a detailed level.
The commentary is what keeps bringing me back. You guys have so much knowledge.
I'd like to see you improve on the CGI Alien in Alien3. Underrated movie, let down by studio interference, and sloppy CGI.
What makes you think they're gonna care about a bunch of lifers who found God at the ass-end of space?
I second this. You can see Fincher’s greatness really striving to breakthrough in that film if you watch it with the bts knowledge of all the interference.
@@itsd0nk I had the anthology DVD set, and Alien3, by far, has the more interesting changes as far as the "director's" cut goes. It's almost a completely different movie. It needs a proper treatment.
There is no CGI Alien in Alien3, it's a mix of performer in a suit and a rod puppet that was added to the live-action using optical printing.
The tech didn't exist at the time to do the Alien as a CGI character - the film was made before Jurassic Park.
The only CGI in Alien3 is some debris added to some of the wider matte shots and the cracking of the Alien's domed head just before it explodes.
"the commentary is what keeps bringing me back to this series entirely about commentary."
"Bust-a-Keaton" needs to be its own format. A spin-off show on Corridor Crew, where they only analyze the classics, cause some of those effects were literally done for the very first time in human history. Absolutely amazing! ❤
Couldn't agree more. The process they had to go through in order to make so effects that now would be almost basic is fascinating. And it goes to show that you can do it with a very limited set of tools.
I'm in for that.
I really like Wren, man. He’s the best. They all seem like cool dudes, but he seems so sincerely stoked I love it.
I always love it when you guys cover really old movies that use practical effects that look like witchcraft. It's amazing how creative their problem solving skills were back then.
The CG in Avatar 2 is insane... It looks so freaking good.
I mean you've gotta be pretty proud of yourself if a bunch of people are fighting over if a scene is CGI or not, I'd be grinning ear to ear with happiness that my teams hard work payed off like that.
I’ve been going through and listening to all of the earbiscuit podcast episodes and just recently listened to the episode you guys were on. It was awesome to remember how the channel was so long ago and how much progress and in ovation has been made. Y’all talked about your aspirations and goals for the future and it was really inspiring and heartwarming to see exactly how they those goals become reality and played out into the future. Love y’all, thanks for the work the whole crew does to put out such amazing content!
You guys are the reason I'm really going to enjoy Avatar 2. I have gained such a massive appreciation for CGI and special effects through this channel that now I can watch something like that and truly appreciate what it takes to make it look that goddamned real. For you to spend half an episode on just the one shot of the leather and the water I can't imagine the time it took for people to perfect the details in that shot.
Y'all should do "Sound Designers React!"
Like: How they make sounds for things that don't even exist; How they made the T-Rex or Godzilla roar; Even the subtle ways they have to add basic clothing, movement, and walking sounds into animated films.
You know those punch and beefy gun sounds in old action movies? WHAT IS THAT?
I'll keep posting this comment until SDR is a thing!
As much as I'd love to see it as a sound designer, i don't think they're going to be doing it. From what I can tell they don't really have anyone on their team that is a designated sound designer that would be experienced enough to give any insightful explanations.
There is one podcast similar to this idea with troy baker.
I was blown away trying to figure out the old buster Keaton film at the end where he dives through the suitcase and the fence. I saw that scene in a documentary all they said that it was one take. I've been scratching my head ever since. So THANK YOU for figuring it out! The bottom of the skirt moves abruptly suggesting he is swinging down into it. Genius!
Calling for Nico, dramatic music playing as the camera pans and zooms to his office door. You expect him to storm through that door like Kramer, but then he just bloops on out lmao. I love the Corridor Crew❤️
16:53 That’s not an exposure jump, it’s the wall shaking from the guy’s body swinging down into position. I imagine it was a low-tech as two guys on the other side of the wall holding him up horizontal with their hands and then dropping him down as soon as Buster cleared the hole. Really awesome, creative stuff.
I don’t think you guys have covered it yet, but would love to see you look at Bedknobs and Broomsticks. One of my favorite movies when I was a kid.
I’m so excited for Avatar! Personally knowing some of the freedivers that worked on the film has really upped the hype for me, but also being a nerd about the VFX means I’m stoked beyond belief 😂
Ian you taught me so many little tricks like making lots of little people or buildings or signs or whatever. Been following you for years so awesome to see you in the spotlight :) Congrats also on the release of Dynamo Dream!
I saw the Avatar 2 Trailer in the Cinema and i was just blown away. Its crazy how good it looks.
Them calling Niko as a life line was hilarious. I knew that man had all the answers. I also enjoy whenever he is stumped, proves that we all still have plenty to learn
It looks like the “exposure jump” in the Sherlock clip could have maybe just been light bouncing off of the fake wall as it shakes from the impact of the actors pulling off the practical effect! So cool!
I love how there’s nearly ten minutes of you guys geeking out over Ian’s work, and Ian just sitting there like “I really didn’t do that much…”
They taught their actors how to breath underwater for 10 minutes? 🤯🤯 Black Panther 2 needed to do this, instead we watched as an entire city of people struggling to not drown pretending they were fish people
5 to 7 minutes actually
3:40
People saying it looks like it did in 2009
Do not understand how fucking good that shot looks.
Such comments are pretty much an insult to the first movie and its worldbuilding, heh.
They only say that because they're remembering Avatar not comparing it
@@Merryianna oh dude the first movie sucked in terms of plot and soundtrack (compared to what the soundtrack was gonna be at least)
But hey, CG yeah.
Except you know the fact that almost every species on Pandora has evolved divergently with six appendages and for some reason Na’avi are humanoid.
Stellar world building
@@sbraypaynt The director said he wanted the Na'vi to look more humanoid so that the audience can relate more. But okay.
@@Merryianna exactly,
If you need the alien species to be human so the audience care about what happens then that’s a failure of writing not an excuse.
The other thing I noticed in the avatar 2 trailer is that the lighting feels much more realistic. I'm surprised they didn't mention that. The contrast between dark and light feels much bigger, but I can still see the details in the darker parts (I'm talking about the neytiri closeup shot).
Was pretty sweet to have Ian back again. Ian's lazy tutorial vids are simply amazing for anyone that wants to do blender stuff
@corridorcrew So just saw the prop for that one shot with the hand strap on the news (in NZ). That one shot was a practical effect for the closeup. There you go, not entirely digital.
People keep saying it's practical but they're not showing any proof. Where's a link showing this prop?
**Reaction suggestion**: The “Friend Like Me” sequence from the new Aladdin with Will Smith. I know you guys reacted to some shots of Will Smith as the genie, but the VFX and overall directing/editing/planning that went into this musical sequence is truly remarkable. There’s so much to talk about.
Love when they're able to just straight up tell critics they're wrong "it doesn't look any better" "no it's way better, you're just wrong"
The funniest part is that the same people saying it doesn't look better than the original, also can't believe that that one shot is cgi, because it looks too good, lol
The hand and strap scene was a mix of CGI and live action. They filmed the hand painted blue pulling on the strap of an actual saddle in water, and then the arm and surrounding waters were CGI.
Super super excited and happy to see y'all break down my favorite Buster Keaton film!! Would love to see you look at older films similar to it!
I really want to see you guys watch the VFX breakdown for Shin Godzilla! It’s an awesome mix of puppetry and CGI that’s made to look like puppetry!
The monster design has so many layers. It is one of the most: sickest, darkest, twisted, stuff of nightmares designs of the classic Kaiju
On another level vs the Monster verse. It is its own thing, but connected to the main line series
yes!!!!
I was lucky to see "The way of water" trailer I'm 3D, and it was absolutely stunning
Just watched AVATAR 2 n it's ineffable... DECADES ahead of MARVEL N DC in terms of VFX. Gonna break all
RECORDS.
You gotta make a Ian Hubert episode alone just him talking about all of his work, dude is a LEGEND, wish we had seen more of his stuff in this episode
Thank you for giving justice to the work of the CGI artist in Avatar.
When I saw that hand shot from the trailer and how real it looked I knew that they were going to go beyond what we know as vfx
Would definitely love to see Ian on here more. This was super informative.
AAH. You did Buster Keaton! That was a lot of fun. I'd love to see you guys do more very old films like that. Harold Lloyd did some crazy special effects as well.
You guys NEED to react to Alternative Cut's video where they inserted Tuco from Breakikg Bad into Endgame, they did a phenomenal job
The whole section about the water proves 1 thing that has always been true: the majority doesn't know what they're talking about and doesn't have a clue on where technology stands right now. Unless you follow this stuff religiously or have a job in a cg studio, you're just throwing out the most likely claim in hopes you're right.
Which is annoying for the artists and people like me alike, because that's usually stated as a fact and not as someone's guess. The majority of movie watchers also always seem to forget the feats of yesterday's cgi so they end up undermining things while at the same time claiming it was stronger than today's cgi. They're not careful at all.
I am so glad to see you guys elaborating so much on that Avatar 2 close-up water scene. I saw it in theater and it really stood out to me. I finally know why!
They were mostly wrong though because it turns out it was mainly practical effects.
I love what you guys are doing! Would love to see a new series similar to this one: Cinematographers React :) Make it happen! Love you guys!
There were comments last time about this, but you guys should really look at Everything Everywhere All At Once. Most of the vfx was done by like five people and there are lots of really cool shots.
At 7:38 I absolutely love the attention to detail making Neytiri’s pupils shrink when she open’s her eyes. I wonder if they studied cat eyes because that’s what they remind me of. Or some kind of bird, it’s amazing!
I just saw the new season (3) of Love, Death and Robots and was blown away by the last chapter (Jibaro). The scenery, movement, reflections, camera, lighting, textures, sound design, its all very high level stuff and would love to hear your take on it. (It feels like unreal engine if sam is about to react). Keep up the good work!
So good to finally see Ian Hubert on the show. 😍 Please bring more VFX gems like him. Like Andrew Kramer, Nick from GSG, Captain D and Blender guru more on the show. It just makes us look forward to the next show and makes it worth the wait when watching the show 😊
Ian Hubert making amazing shit by being a sort of "visual psychologist" is fascinating.
I'm used to distracting from bad assets from doing game development, but Ian is on another plane of existence when it comes to that
I need to know what Ian was going to say when Wren interrupted him at 8:22!!
4:18 Because people on the internet are experts on everything.
That Buster Keaton dive through the standing person was an old Vaudeville bit that could be performed live on stage. Probably not as well as Keaton did it, but pretty damn clever.
Awesome stuff as always guys!
agreed
My god, the OG zombie production crew
Everyone talks crap about Avatar now but I remember how amazing it was when it came out and I'm so excited for this new one.
The western media talks crap, because all those geeks who HAVE NOT SEEN Avatar in the 3d theater somehow crrated the paradigm that Avatar isn't cool any more and that crap such as marvel universe is cool.
Nevermind the fact that Avatar happens to be a movie that had 9 academy award nominations, including the best picture, and had the most remarkable and phenomenal theatrical run ever recorded in the internet age.
BUT the world still loves Avatar very much.
It is still the single most liked movie on Facebook for example.
And it is STILL amazing. STILL the best looking movie ever.
If you can, I wholy recommend watching a 4K uncut version on a good TV.
You will be mind blown.
@@randompalmtopgaming7541 Avatar is just blue Pocahontas. The story is fucking garbage man, stop gargling James Cameron’s nuts
The opening scene of the first episode of Lovecraft Country looks absolutely stunning with all the creatures and effects they threw into it, both practical and CGI.
If I'm a person living in 1924 and saw this in the movie 12:37 I'd be like WHAAAAAAAA!!!!! I don't think any amount of modern CG can make me go nuts like this in 1924. damn good stuff
You know you CGI is crazy good when the internet thinks it's real AND the Corridor crew spends 8min explaining in details the different things happening under the hood.
I'm suddenly reminded of the robot video that people thought were fake.
I'd suggest for you guys to check out how the water particules, the explosions and more in the movie Greyhound with Tom Hanks like the battle scene. Would be sick to know everything about how it was made.
I LOVE when you guys break down older practical effects. Everything from ghost busters, blade runner to this ooolllddd stuff too.