How the Sonic The Hedgehog (2020) Movie FIXES Sonic
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Sonic the Hedgehog is a video game franchise produced by Sega centering on a series of high-speed platform games. Sonic, the protagonist, is an anthropomorphic blue hedgehog with supersonic speed. Typically, Sonic must stop antagonist Doctor Eggman's plans for world domination, often helped by his friends, such as Tails, Amy, and Knuckles.
Team Sonic Racing is an upcoming kart racing game and a spinoff to Sega's Sonic the Hedgehog series. Controlling of one of fifteen characters from the series' cast, players compete in races using sports cars. Wikipedia
Sonic the Hedgehog is an upcoming 2019 live-action animated film based on the video game franchise published by Sega. It is directed by Jeff Fowler in his directoral debut and written by Patrick Casey, Josh Miller and Oren Uziel, from a story by Van Robichaux and Evan Susser. The film stars Ben Schwartz as Sonic the Hedgehog and Jim Carrey as Sonic's nemesis Dr. Robotnik, alongside James Marsden as Tom Wachowski, Tika Sumpter, Adam Pally, and Neal McDonough.
The film is an American-Japanese joint venture between Paramount Animation, Original Film, Sega, Blur Studio and Marza Animation Planet and is set to be released on November 8, 2019 by Paramount Pictures.
Small-town sheriff Tom Wachowski (James Marsden) journeys to San Francisco to assist Sonic (Ben Schwartz), a super-fast anthropomorphic blue hedgehog, in his battle against the evil Dr. Robotnik (Jim Carrey).
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How the Sonic Movie could save the Sonic Games
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i thought unleashed got the personalities, world, and overall tone the best. sonic is heroic, snarky, and effortlessly cool, without being irritating and stiff.
eggman is an actual threat, without being overly edgy. eggman successfully tricks and takes down SUPER SONIC, and sends him crashing down to earth with no expectation of him surviving. in the final fight as you’re drilling in the center of the earth, eggman is pulling no punches as he continuously breaks the ground trying to make sonic burn in lava as he screams “stubborn little pincushion, give up and die already!”
sonic helps chip because he wants to, and because he looks at chip as a friend. he’s eager to take eggman down and repair the world, where as sonic now is constantly complaining anytime a minor inconvenience happens.
i could go on for a while, but i’ve already been dragging on for a while lol
Yes! Praise for Sonic Unleashed! Because it’s unlike many other Modern Sonic games like Sonic Lost World, Sonic Free Riders, Sonic ‘06 and Sonic Forces!
I think a mix of Unleashed and Boom Eggman of all things would really work.
PRAISE SO MUCH PRAISE
I think Sonic and the Black Knight is a close second, though.
Seeing Sonic adapt to being out of his element, learning his morals. Granted the gameplay was ass.
I loved this game, until the the nighttime levels became annoying.
What SEGA needs to learn: that their actions have consequences
AkameGaKillfan777 everyone needs to learn that :/
Si
@@gemaisa6734 But especially SEGA, because they're a bunch of fricking fricks.
FRICK
“How many times are you going to reboot Sonic?”
Sega: Yes.
"Where does Sonic live" Sega:Yes
Every -man- game a -king- reboot
Every hedgehog, slightly more blue
And people say DC and Marvel are inconsistent.
Its not reboot you idiot its spin off god!!
Why can't we just call him sonic, I feel like once we have that base line unity with the brand things can be improved. The fact that everyone has their own sonic means the fanbase will forever be divided
That pisses me off too. Honestly at times the fannon sonic is better than the cannon Sonic. Whoever the hell that is at this point.
It was Sega that divided the fanbase in the first place. First with having 6 different cartoons and 3 comic books, which are all consider separate from the games. And now the games are being divided between "era" and gameplay-styles.
Definitely agree that Sega needs to show their flagship character some respect and love, if they don't try to do something new instead of just catering to certain fanbases and nostalgia baiting, he will be forgotten in the long run and I don't want that to happen.
The whole “where the characters inhabit “ has always confused me for years.
Same
game-wise, I was always content with it being a nameless planet (earth, mobius, I don't care) with both humans and anthropomorphic animals.
iizuka's "two worlds" thing has neither made sense nor been showcased. sonic adventure alone debunks it to hell and back.
It feels like Sonic is going through an identity crisis
Prior to 08 did there always live on planet Earth both Humans and anthros alive with countless examples for it from Echidna ruins in Sa2, Human's on sandopolis hieroglyphs in Sonic 3&knuckles, the Existence of GUN in Sonic Rush a game that makes it very clear that it plays on Sonic's home world, the ancestor to many bird anthros aka the Aliens known as the ancient Babylonians having crashed with there space ship on the world semi futuristic city and Gun one seen before in Heroes and the other in Adventure 2 (this story it self is From Riders Zero Gravity).
And I could go on like using Sonic's original design document that states that he is from Christmas island but leaved to explore the rest of EARTH. And the Planets name as earth can be seen in SA2 in the cut-scene in which Eggman nukes half the moon.
Even the worlp map when it was shown in Fighters, SA2, Shadow and Riders Zero Gravity remained always a altered version of our own Earth.
But Starting with Unleashed did the series continuity die as if the Character assassination on Tails and Amy wasn't enough on its on does the whole world feature no other Anthros beside Sonic, Tails and Amy, GUN and the United federation from the adventure games is missing, the shape of the world is unlike anything seen before and to top it all of did Series director and Sonic Team head Takashi Iizuka in an interview over the game state that Sonic games take place between 2 worlds one with Anthors the other with Humans and that these 2 sometimes cross over (only for 2 questions latter directly break his own word by saying the best vacation spot on SONIC WORLD is Emerald Coast which however would be on the HUMAN WORLD) and with this effectively brock 17 years worth of continuity.
And Forces did than go on step further had retconed Classic Sonic into being from a different dimension which not only breaks tons of things that happened in the adventure era but also directly contradicts Generations despite directly referencing it and Iizuka stating that Forces classic Sonic is the same from Generations regardless how little sense that makes.
@@rynobehnke8289 I wonder what iizuka meant by "world". political world? societies? "sometimes thry cross over"? most areas are populated with either one or the other, but some areas house decent amounts of both species?
that's the only way I can rationalize it?
I will always remember Sonic based on his characterization in titles like Unleashed and Black Knight, where he had negative personality traits but clearly defined positive ones besides just being a general good guy. In Black Knight specifically, he's short tempered, he's rude, he's adaptive, he's compassionate, he's adaptable, he knows when to take things seriously, he's stubborn, and has unbreakable willpower. And even before then, he's shown to admire some of his adversaries for putting up a good fight, so he can be a good sport, his befriending of Blaze shows how charismatic he can be, he appreciates nature as seen in Colors (One of the few times the new writers actually gave Sonic more of personality than just a good guy), and he gets irritated when someone fails to call him a hedgehog, like in Secret Rings. There is a character there, the new writers just don't know about it.
What everyone needs to learn is “if you give people something good, then they will be happy”
Something being good can be subjective though, and fans of any franchise can often very specific ideas about how the franchise should be, which makes them hard to please.
What RadicalSoda said at the end of his Forces video: "Make a good game, and people will buy it."
What everyone *REALLY* need to learn is " if you didn't get what you want, then don't go whining like ungrateful baby on internet "
@@Roto3 Imagine thinking you're ungrateful about something you have to pay money for
AkameGaKillfan777 Imagine making excuses to justify whining on the internet instead of actually trying to do something.
I still believe they need to make an action-adventure sonic game
That.. That's every Sonic game
I hope they make sonic adventure 3 😢
@@movinghandstudios2874 don't seem like it
@@waled7564 Sonic Unleashed was meant to be Sonic World Adventure, iow SA3. Unfortunately it didn't turn out like that. I still like unleashed
You know what I hope. I hope they make Sonic Unleashed 2
You know what I've always wanted in most of my life? It's a Sonic movie with the animated characters like in the video games. We need that kind of movie.
“What SEGA needs to learn from the Sonic Movie”
Easy, they need to learn to delay stuff more and put more time in their stuff
(Oh btw I made this comment before I watched the video lol, so I know this is mentioned somewhere)
Surielle the Cookie Kid i mean they did delayed sonic mania and TSR before
Evan Plays well Sonic Mania I’m pretty sure was delayed only for PC, for about a week
But, that seems to have a certain pattern there since those games weren’t made from Sonic Team
Well, they delayed Team Sonic Racing and people still hated its matchmaking from what I gathered.
Charmy The Charizard for the game itself though it did have good reviews and such and it does at leasts play like how it supposed to. For the matchmaking though that’s a different story
@@FengTheSlayer Exactly, it wasn't bad and even won the award for Best Racing Game of 2019! But that doesn't necessarily remove the compliants with the matchmaking.
Why can't we all just call him Sonic the hedgehog? Classic and modern sonic are THE SAME CHARACTER. Just in 2 different art styles and that's how it was when sonic adventure and onwards came around. But thanks to generations now we huge division between the Fandom and arguing over THE SAME BLUE HEDGEHOG!!
But what about the environments or worlds we constantly have to save? Do they count as being the same PLANET??
SonicGurl82 sonic switches between mobius and earth in the games using some kind of like magic bridge thing, according to an unreleased document sega wrote (Lol they need to learn the basics of storytelling, you can’t just hide info like that)
As confusing as it sounds they are different but not at the same time
Same thing ,they wanted more different Sonics just like sans the skeleton
Okay I have a question, what makes sans just as iconic as Mario and Sonic, like what does he do that’s so appealing
Classic Sonic = Kid sonic
Dreamcast Sonic = Pre-Teen sonic
Modern Sonic = Teen sonic
Sonic Boom = Adult sonic
Movie Sonic with Tails and Knuckles is a great way to start off a new game imo
Yeah
Then a sonic heros can be made, inspired by that.
Skorados Yoo imagine if they took that concept of teamwork and made a well put together
Fun controls
Good story
Great visual appealing game
@@chu-pay yes! My man!
Sonic isn't broken. It's Sega. It's always been Sega.
We don't need another Sonic. We need to get back to what was always good about this franchise.
They need to at least have a design that people will just call “sonic”.
This is the first time I’ve ever seen this much positivity about the sonic movie XD Great video btw
Hey, what about Jambareeqi’s video on his favourite scenes in the Sonic movie trailer (not my Sonic movie, The Fast and the Furious director’s).
I’m tired of movies and cartoons saying destroy rather than kill because the destroy is literally leaving nothing left and killing is just killing them like blasting them or cutting
Weston Coley look if they say destroy instead of kill in the cartoons or movies you watch, then that means you’re to fucking old to be watching them
A lot of shows and games that use these words are for all ages. It isn’t just “oh you’re too old lol”
Danny Phantom was weird because they used 'waste' instead of 'destroy', when it made waaaay more sense to destroy a ghost than wadte/kill it. Just odd.
But idk why people can't say kill to begin with....
that's because "kill" sounds darker to young audiences compared to "destroy".
@@tra-guyd5209 You're despicable.
Let's Hope The Storyline is Fresh to offer more credibility for Sonic
If they make a new design with the mono eye, then they need to actually use his eyebrows. For some reason, Sega decided that Sonic can only show emotions by using his eyelids? Idk why, but his eyebrows barely ever move in modern titles. The comics are normal, yet Sega is too lazy to make Sonic expressive again.
Also, Sonic canonically enjoys books. Like, actual books without pictures on it, which is interesting but is only ever shown in Secret rings.
ᴇᴠᴇʀɪᴋ They aren’t lazy,they’re purposely don’t want Sonic to show emotions at all for some weird reason.
One of their weird mandates for Sonic media in general is the fact that Sonic can’t show any “extreme” emotions,I believe that an issue of the Archie comic had a scene where Sonic was actually crying but was then “toned down” because of Sega.
Yeah I've noticed the eyelid problem, it makes him way less expressive
That problem is rather easy to explain ever since Colors did Sonic Team animate the character in general rather lazy and lifeless because its rather cheap and makes it so that the Character models need less rigging.
As a matter of fact can Sonic not even wink in most of the post colors games because his eyelids are handled using one big eyelid constantly loaded in his head meaning there can't move his eyelids individually which reduces the amount of expressions he can have even more.
If you pay attention that almost all Characters suffer from stiff animation with a lack of general movement beside maybe walking a few steps.
*Sonic in Wreck it Ralph at a Book Club squinting*
13:05 also, Sonic is pretty short tempered in the Adventure games, like when bickering with Knuckles and getting insulted by Shadow. He also had a short temper in Riders whenever being confronted by the Babylon Rogues. And those are pretty obvious examples, too, if you actually listen to the dialogue and look at his body language.
He can be hot headed at times.
But his confrontation with Shadow, he's had a long, confusing day after being framed.
Of course he'd be pissed.
@@Ronan34753 Of course, but it still shows that he can be irritable.
Another reason why he would be short-tempered is because he had to deal with Amy Rose’s crap which is angrily making him love her back like Winnie in *Hotel Transylvania 3: It’s Us Who Needs a Vacation More Than Count Dracula Around the Start of the Movie*
I really hope this movie doesn't flop and actually gets a sequel(all though it's very unlikely)
I don't see it flopping and apparently they are going for a trilogy and spinoff for this.
Sonic171000 but considering its higher budget since the redesign
I don't likely see them doing a possible sequel
Hopefully, the sequels are Miles “Tails” Prower and ”Knuckles the Echidna”.
Flop did not happen. :)
It probably won’t fix Modern Sonic but at least they will be able to acknowledge the problems that Modern Sonic (or Modern Sonic Team to be more specific) has suffered since the beginning of the “meta era”
And another problem is the bs invention known as Modern/classic.
In the Adventure and "Dark Age" era this wasn't a thing until Sonic Generations more or less, *i see Sonic* .
@@secoTheSonicFan Actually really like Journey of Dreams tbh
@@saricubra2867 and really that was just to differentiate between the two because they really are just the same guy from two different points of time.
@@andresmarrero8666 Modern Sonic isn't the same thing. Adventure is different from 06, Generations and Colors.
Adventure games (on the dreamcast) are ironically closer to the Genesis.
@@saricubra2867 that's not what I was talking about. I mean that they are literally the same guy just at two different points of his life. The differential was only really made to tell which one from which because it would be kinda annoying if both were just called Sonic. That conversation would be really hard to follow.
4kids actually did the "where sonic came from" moments
MarioNintendo CZcams yea that was one of the aspects of sonic x that I liked. It made adventure 1 and 2 make sense and also explained why heroes had a radically different setting than those games
Yeeeeah 4Kids doesn’t deserve any of the credit for the things Sonic X did right.
@@xudokai no it doesn't. It didn't need to be explained, Yuji Naka already said that the games were set on a fantasy Earth with humans and anthro animals.
I believe Sonic the Hedgehog can be both light hearted and Dark in tone. As long as it’s done well and knows how to transition between the two.
Yeah, I don't think it needs to be 50/50 like some suggest.
Whether it's dark or light, it just needs to do it right.
@Radicola I see this a lot, here's my piece.
Just because most cartoons are childish and light on seriousness, doesn't mean every cartoon has to be.
Something the Sonic series had over most fantasy type games (Mario, Crash) was it took it's characters seriously and treated them with a level of respect.
Which is usually missing from a lot of E-rated games because "oh no, the kids just want cute and cuddly stuff", then they go and buy 18 rated games.
TL;DR I like light-hearted stuff, just not superficially light hearted stuff.
Same with "edge".
@Radicola Okay.
But with Shadow's game, it was clear the game had issues compared to the previous entries.
I'm not even sure if they got SA2's writer to do it.
06 is similar, more so management and development problems.
Making things disjointed.
It's really dependant on how well the project is managed honestly, as well as the team.
Because if those games are proof they can't do serious stories, then games like colours and lost world would be definitive evidence of lighter tones not being allowed.
I'll just say despite the English localization hampering it down, Sonic Adventure 2 had left people begging for SA3 for a reason.
What Sega needs to learn: Take their time and treat the games with love and care. Get people who love Sonic like the mania team. Also, make Sonic feel more like a person with flaws and emotions, and not just some snarky speedster. And make Eggman feel like a threat and make him competent in his job again.
I hope he has some attitude because I miss that part of his personality
I would love to have a Sonic that is deep and complex. We haven't had a complex Sonic character since Shadow in Sonic Adventure 2 because we all pictured him as a cool, dark Sonic, but when the game came out, his character subverted our expectations. Now his character is exactly how we expected him, making him boring.
game-wise, I was always content with it being a nameless planet (earth, mobius, I don't care) with both humans and anthropomorphic animals. it *really doesn't* matter if the two species coexist.
iizuka's "two worlds" thing has neither made sense nor been showcased. sonic adventure alone debunks it to hell and back.
That description at the start was on pointtttt
Sick quality and thought
You think there will ever be an animated Sonic movie in the future if this is successful
Not likely,it'll probably be a flop to Paramount's eyes
@@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario I just hope it gets at least okay ratings and makes its money back
Sonic Xtreme99.Paramount isn't Sega.
PLEASE
Not really, but maybe an animated TV series is more likely.
I hope Ben Schwartz becomes the voice actor for Sonic in the games. I have nothing against Roger Craig Smith, I just think Ben better captures Sonic's 90's energy & persona.
He most likely won't. SEGA can't afford him.
They could take ideas from Archie or IDW perhaps?
IDW maybe, but I don’t think they can take from Archie- thanks Penders.
Right, damnit...
@@Josh-The_Spooky_Bastard- archie comics has full rights to use Ken Penders' characters. They are the ones who refuse to though
I love the IDW comics so much damn, they’re the first time I’ve ever cried over something sonic related
Speaking of Archie Comics, I’d love to see what me and my cousin Elisa Viena Laaksoharju Kantola (aka Princess Pear, director of the next Sonic movie) can do to make sure Archie Private Partners Comics (it might turn out a spiritual successor to Archie Comics, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Josie and the Pussycats, Archie Sonic comics and Archie MegaMan Comics).
7:47 It actually somewhat does. If you recall, almost at the beginning of Generations, Tails half-clearly states he doesn't really remember Green Hill Zone, and at the end we see his past-self being returned to his time AT Green Hill, which means this NEW Classic Tails AND threfore, Classic Sonic lived somewhat different events than the Modern characters, meaning their timeline split right after that event; which is why I assume Sonic Team acknowledged Mania's Classic Sonic as "from another dimension".
Still, I completely agree with what you said: How do they expect us to know this makes sense in the slightest without looking into every single minor detail possible? The clash IS still there.
I've always understood the core of his character and it's quite simple actually
Tbh FORCES actually did a good job outlining it
He's someone that may act cool and cocky on the outside but deep down he cares an INSANE amount for the people around him.
He also believes in the good in others, as the IDW comics have shown.
Lastly, he puts his friends on his back and keeps a positive attitude even in BAD situations because he doesn't want them to feel scared or worried.
Media like sonic unleashed, the Archie comics, sonic X, sonic forces, sonic adventure titles, sonic rush, Idw sonic, and even sonic 06 have highlighted these parts of his character.
With them making sonic younger in this movie it's only backpedaling instead of going forward, sure seeing sonic b more childish is cool and all but the depth to his character is what I'm looking for, not that he has to be all wise and shiz but that he understands people and does his best to help them.
Sonic from Sonic X was kinda vintage sonic in my opinion.
The ep where he dodges the ARMY trying to get him to hang with the president in favor of taking a little girl to go see an amazing patch of rare flowers was dope.
And he had even greater character moments than that but that's just 1 of them.
Think of it like an origin story. Sonic isn't a well seasoned hero in the movie. It would be weird to have a confident of the character from later games when Sonic never met robotnik before
@@yeet6363 yeah I get it's an origin story
Its just I think it would be different if it WASN'T an origin story like sonic X u know?
13:02
U forget that in games like unleashed, he states that he actually runs around the planet from time to time, he does more than just chill all day
He also reads(secret rings), helps others, and tries getting rid of eggman, cuz the guy doesn't stay down long, and sometimes his schemes happen back to back.
Look at the classic series for example.
Sonic 3 takes place right after sonic 2.
yeah but that doesn't really scream " three dimensional character" though, like ok he likes to read......read what? books, magazine articles, manga, the back of cereal boxes? were just saying give something other then generic hero bio stuff.
I guarantee you that if Yuji Naka didn’t quit making Sonic Games there would be more good ones, that’s for a fact why Mario has more good games because Shigeru Miyamoto didn’t quit
Me: "Sega, any idea what continuity means?"
Sega: "Sorry, what?"
Me: "Thought as much."
At the beginning you forgot about another Mickey Mouse,
*Mickey Kisses a Human Mickey Mouse.*
Everyone needs to stop pushing Movie Sonic for replacing Modern Sonic.
Very true
Exactly!
Ikr moderns fine, he just needs a new script, va, and better model
John B right, he’s so stiff and expressionless. it’s ironic to see him so lifeless when sonics original design was heavily inspired by rubber hose animation, which had exaggerated movements and facial expressions because they couldn’t use sound
Nobody wants that. But SEGA could take the best aspects of Movie Sonic's personality in order to improve the emotionless puppet that is Modern Sonic now.
Sonic works better as a cartoon or movie ngl.
Edit: this is coming from someone who not only has never played a sonic game, but someone who doesn’t even like sonic much
This is exactly why Im scared to say "I Like Sonic" because he has such a had rep ever since Generations where his character started to change. Sonic Unleashed had the best Sonic IMO. Best Eggman who continuosly tried to kill Sonic and achieved his goals in ingenious ways. We need games like Unleashed
I feel we need to blend the void between "classic" and "modern" Sonic.There is a Missing Link as it were...It's called Sonic Xtreme...
Or just bring back the chao garden.
Noooo?
Yes
That is not going to solve anything
Well the chao garden is also a good place to waste time if not better. Than a hub world.
Gay
Please keep doing Sonic I don't want him to come to a end please,Sonic is my favorite Character😱😱😰😰😭😭😭😭
I can get bored by sonic though, I mean if it gets stale, I'll start to be uninterested at sonic.
Can we get an F for sonic?
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Him: “Introducing realistic fire doesn’t necessarily mean making a realistic game”
Me: Well then lemme tell ya sumthin. Almost every movie I’ve watched has had a game specifically for said movie.
(Also the movies were animated/ had animated stuff in it)
This next month will be interesting
Also loving the new video style very naise 👌
Yes... what I was referring to, yes
Well then, that’ll be the final straw and last attempt at regaining relevancy. There’s not much going otherwise apart from the fandom
Would've been better if his eyes were a little bit bigger
Glad Team Sonic Racing is getting some love!
For these ideas to be implemented into future games, you better hope that this movie turns out be a huge box office success (I can see it doing well financially but not critically). There is still the possibility that the movie can be mediocre or bad. Worst case scenario that it can also go in the opposite direction and be a total disaster and hurt the Sonic brand even more. Otherwise I don't see it happening, and the film is an entire different thing on it's own.
I thought Colors and Generations is suppose to 'save Sonic' and they both came out a decade ago. I also thought that Mania/Mania Adventure is suppose to ''Save Sonic' and it came out fairly recently. In fact, not so long ago people praise Mania as being the best thing to happen to Sonic in over 20 years, treating the game as the holy savior of the franchise, and it made Sonic good and relevant again. Because the game is so successful it prompted people to make video essays on what SEGA need to do for future titles.
Now nearly 3 years later...what the hell happened? We act like Mania's success didn't matter once we see that the series is in a stagnant limbo state and the franchise keep banking on nostalgia to keep itself afloat. If Colors, Generations, and Mania didn't save Sonic then I doubt that a Hollywood video game adaptation of Sonic will. What's next, the 30th anniversary game, Sonic Adventure 3, or the rumored Sonic cartoon will 'Save Sonic'? Yeah...sure. We're just going to keep going in circles, and the cycle will keep repeating itself.
I'm not expecting or hoping for this movie to 'Save Sonic' or to change his public image. It's like Sonic Boom, it's a piece of entertainment or sub-series that is made to introduce new fans to Sonic or another alternative for existing fans to look forward to. Stop looking at the next new thing to 'Save Sonic'. Just watch the movie on its own merits. Don't expect it to follow the games or another attempt to 'Save Sonic' when the games themselves have already attempted that several times, and as time progresses people will go back to being cynical and pessimistic about the series again. Rise. Raise. Repeat.
Remember PokemonSwSh, ya, the Pokemon fanbase start to dish on the game since there's nothing new besides dynamax and that Gamefreak removed half of the Pokedex, no mega evolutions, Z-moves, etc.
EXACTLY these live action CGI hybrid movies just don't have a good track record mostly because they tend to make the same stupid mistake of having the title characters pushed aside for human characters. The soul exception is Detective Pikachu who is very much the focus of the movie.
Why not do a reimagining of Sonic Adventure the same way what FF7 and RE2? A SA1 reimagining would act as a perfect gateway for new fans and a reboot for the modern series as a whole while making everything after SA2 non canon which would allow a fresh start.
Well, classic sonic being a sonic from another dimension does technically makes sense since classic sonic in forces is from mania and mania sonic isn't normal sonic seeing as how mania sonic has almost completely different style such as drop dash, lighter blue, etc. And sonic is only brought there through the phantom ruby. And mania sonic comes into forces with the music playing the mania theme.
15:00 it would be cool if these pay areas had a kind of speed route in them where you can just ignore talking to people if you want to, and get through that area as fast as possible. For speedrunners!
I like how archie handled sonic's world. One world with both humans and animals and a cohesive art style. Shadow's lore doesn't make much sense otherwise.
The thing about planets in the Sonic Games is explained in the Sonic Bible which only Sega has access to, in a leak the Bible mentions that Earth and Sonic's World are connected by a Dimensional Bridge that only people from Sonic's World can go through, while humans simply cannot, which implies Eggman isn't human.
What we will never understand is why the Sonic Bible was never released to the public in the first place, it contains all the answers to all the questions that are left to us.
I’ll do a video on the Sonic Bible at some point.
They should have just made games based on the Saturday morning TV/comic series, because those had clear, concise world rules and beloved characters. And Robotnik was actually terrifying in them.
In my opinion, Sonic X did a great job of characterizing Sonic. He's impatient, snarky, and has a short temperament. He is also cool, confident, social and the always rushes into danger regardless of how injured he was or what obstacle is in his way. The show would often show him running around places or off somewhere thinking to himself. Sure, it could be seen as him being a loner but he is never to far from his friends either. In battles you would see him excitedly fighting his opponent or, when it came to Eggman/Robotnik's robots, playing around with them. Another great thing is when water was involved, Sonic would do everything in his power to avoid it. When on the Thorndike's yacht, Sonic even resorted to manipulating Amy in a desperate attempt to get off of the boat (though it didn't work). Or when he loudly complains and tries to avoid the water planet after he thought it was a dry land one. The dark Sonic bit with the fake chaos emeralds would have also been an interesting part of Sonic's character if the show continued.
I'm not saying the show did everything right (CHRIS). However when it came do doing the characters I felt that Sonic X knew what it was doing. It also provided a good explanation for why the worlds kept changing (Chaos Control). I would have to say that if 4kids wouldn't have BUTCHERED the English version of that show, then I would say that it would've have been even better for the western audiences. The English dub actors (mainly Sonic's) where great, that just had a crappy, censored, script to work with. I will say that they do not do Eggman/Robotnik justice as a villain, as they tend to make him more of an antagonist than anything. The show would push him aside for "badder" villains like the meterects (or however their spelled), leaving him to just be the goofy villain who would appear in between villain swaps. I will say that they were working off the games loosely so I still feel like that was SEGA's fault as well.
Anyway, this got really long but I felt like giving Sonic X a little more justice. Sonic unleashed did a very good job as well but not enough people were mentioning Sonic X, so I thought I would wine a little ;).
Although we haven't seen the Movie plot fully, you sound very reasonable for why this movie would be good for the New Sonic.
Definitely the truest thing that I've heard/seen all year!
Well done keep up the good vids and stay focused just subscribed
I feel the fandom is just as guilty because they generally don't know what they want in their Sonic games.
Sonic aside for right now, I can't be the only one who screamed after seeing that last picture of what's supposed to be Mickey... (whoever did that sleep w/ one eye open)
you know what i realized it makes sense that sonics arms are blue in the movie
If you had asked in April 2019, the answer would have been: Nothing here to learn. So it is quite remarkable that they managed to reverse the situation.
Haven’t seen the movie yet, but I have a feeling that Movie Sonic will be my favorite sonic yet. I really hope it does open up Sega’s eyes and turn “modern sonic” into just...Sonic
10:42 "The character can still be goofy, but there needs to be a threat going on."
(Flashbacks of Ace Combat 7 DLC missions)
**wants his arms redone**
Ight imma head out
Wait, arevyou recommending sega to OCDNS paramount's sonic ????
Sonic Forces: 60 fps
Ratchet & Clank (PS4): 30 fps
I don’t care if Sonic looks like an action figure. The only things that matter is the game play and the frame rate.
Considerably understandable. I think SEGA’s tried their best to be consistent with Sonic for years and years, they’ve succeeded in the end sometimes and then there are occasions where they basically have failed...
Sonic will always survive!
I think it was pretty nice to see the movie sonic mod in one of the video games!
They did extremely well in world-building from Adventure 2 through Shadow the Hedgehog/Sonic 06. Starting with Adventure 2, you get GUN, Maria, Shadow, Station Square, the GUN commander, etc. It’s this large arc that works well together in establishing a world and characters. It’s just a shame that only Shadow/Team Dark got that amazing treatment with Shadow eventually forgiving and joining the forces of good.
Unleashed was an amazing « reboot » of sorts that established it’s own world through gameplay. Heck, I can name almost all of the townspeople just from doing side missions for hours.
Then came Colors....BOTCHED EVERYTHING
They need to go back to the world that was established with the « Shadow Arc » or start anew and STICK WITH IT like Unleashed did. I don’t mind traveling around to different worlds, but have SOME consistency with location and plot! After Shadow, we could have explored Sonic and then Silver being a new character. Heck, maybe even having a Knuckles arc would have been great! Just....something other than Sonic being a kiddie d*ckwad who screams *SSHOLE instead of HERO and ROLEMODEL like he once did.
I thought I will never see a title like this!
If Sega just took Sonic's personality from the comics, Sonic would be a much more fleshed out character.
Or just allow Sonic to have actual emotions. No of this "can't show weakness" BS.
I think the new sonic should be a mixture of classic and modern like green eyes
Classic and Modern doesn't, there is Sonic.
Dreamcast exists since along time, but Sammy bought SEGA and we have problems with direction and management more or less since Shadow The Hedgehog or Sonic06 and killed the things that make the Genesis and Adventure games so special for many people.
This dudes voice is such one I can see narrating. Nice video.
Edit: Even though this is a 4 month old comment and was actually posted on a different video, I just wanted to get my point out there and thought it would've been a pretty cool thought just in case no one has ever read this yet. I did fixed some grammar and spelling to some lf the things. Here it is:
Thats really cool! i've been basically living under a rock and never knew anything about the "Two Worlds" thing because i've only played the games, but this explains alot.
Now that I think about it, would it be cool if Sonic from the Sonic movie is actually from Sonic's World (Mobius) and the big plot of the movie would be for Sonic from Mobius to meet up with the Sonic from our world? Then they could've worked together to stop the real master mind whose manipulating Eggman. Now that I think about that, what if the Eggman we saw at the beginning of the trailer (Old Trailer) is our Eggman, and that the Eggman at the end of the trailer (Dr. Robotnic) is the Eggman from Mobius who is manipulating our Eggman to believe that this Sonic is the problem to his dimension and that he could possibly destory the world if he stays long enough beacuse of his electricity that he gives off whenever he starts running on his full speed at the speed of light, kinda like the end plot to Sonic X when Sonic and his friends had to return back to their home world because it would've effected the Human world. Thats my Theory. It would be pretty cool for a plot twist like that, no one would've expected it! would explain Takashi Iizuka's "Two World" thing alot to many other people like me who also lives under a rock and mostly just play the games for fun and never knew the "Two World" thing was a actual thing. It would also explain one of Sonic's line from the movie when he said something like "Looks like i'm gonna have to save your world" and the scene when Sonic threw his ring in the movie.
I've also noticed how Sonic's attitude is alot different in Sonic Lost World than the cool, quiet, sometimes sassy, but understanding Sonic with sometimes something wise to say, but also energetic and loves adventure kind of guy that I grew up with in Sonic Adventure 1, Sonic X, Sonic 06, and Sonic Unleashed (even though Sonic X isn't cannon, but is still a pretty cool thought). Sonic from Mobius is more of a jokster, acting like everything is funny and always talking and talking like he was in Sonic Forces and Sonic Colors. He acted pretty rude in Sonic Lost World too and also acts like some "Cool and Popular" kid at school like the way he acted in the cross over in 'Ok KO lets be heroes' show, bragging and showing off his achievements.
No ones probably reading this because this is a 4 months old video and this comment is really late, but I just thought that idea I had would've been amazing. It would definitely make my day if somehow someone from Sega or someone from Sonic Team is for some reason reading this and then change/add my idea to the plot of the movie. Would be amazing if someone copy and paste this to the Offical Sonic Twitter too! I feel wrong to be asking for likes because some people like making you feel guilty for having so many, but would be pretty cool to have someone special reading this idea!
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That's the thing tho
Remember in the old Disney cartoons that would have mickey doing things like house of mouse but also have HIM fighting Pete for Minnie in other shows?
Ur problem here is your mixing up 2 guys that aren't the same.
Mickey content isn't a continuous story unlike Sonics is, Mickey could be running a movie theatre and living in a tree house that transforms the next day and nobody would bat an eye at it.
Sonic is more linear than that.
U comparing Mickey to sonic is wrong to do because while Mickey isn't a linear character, sonic IS.
SEGA: *Makes Sonic game; Public/fans dislikes non efforts*
Other Industries: *Makes Sonic Realted material; Public appreciates the love and research done for Sonic*
I really hope this happens because SEGA and Team Sonic are running this franchise into the ground and it's horrible. They aren't doing their most popular and iconic franchise good and stabilizing it after the end of the Genesis era and the classic Sonic games. Paramount Pictures... I believe in them to make things right.
Lol u forgot keyblade Mickey
I wonder how did doctor Eggman get to sonic's world for the classic time line games
What is this resolution?? xP
Jim carry Eggman:SNOOPINGAS USUAL I SEE
All the good people used the Mario and Sonic games to cross over to Nintendo. Now we're left with people who delete source code for Unleashed and Generations and build a boost game off Sonic Lost World.
That probably explain why sonic forces didn't have the same excitement as sonic unleashed and generations.
@@superhedgehog6447 Yep. They lost the source code that essentially allowed for the fast streaming of data, which meant the levels in Unleashed and Generations could be long, beautifully lit, and have cool stuff like ambient occlusion without making the game lag to high heaven. It's why Forces looks so much worse than those two.
And being built off Lost World means Sonic controls weirdly - ever notice his acceleration is whack? That's because they essentially mapped the run button to pressing a direction for a second.
@@LiveHedgehog that explains why sonic all of sudden shoots off into full speed only after 2 seconds of running. I always thought that lost world was using the hedgehog engine graphics.
@@superhedgehog6447 It is, just severely downgraded. The artstyle of the game and the geometry is very simple too, so it was never going to look as good as Unleashed or Generations.
@@LiveHedgehog Yeah Lost world is no where near as beautiful as Unleashed or even generations (even though generations had to tone the engine down a bit).
Same thing with Sonic Adventure, you're able to play as six characters, but still able to stop, take a breath, and explore the world around you, like Station Square. You can interact with people and talk to them, and sometimes even do tasks for them! SEGA needs to pick one Sonic or the other, or just start with a new Sonic.
If the movie does well sega should consider hiring some of the people who worked on the movie and have them work on future games.
If it Succeeds, Eggman's New Look should look like Jim Carrey.
I feel like jack black should have been dr robotnik
What with sonic getting new designs over the years?
I'd say to screw the idea of eggman being an serious villian I remember allways liking the fanfiction where eggman has and/or develops an good relationship with sonic and I made an theory/oppinionated thing ages ago on boom eggman being the best eggman for that exact reason
I miss Sonic being just.......Sonic no modern or classic sonic
Yeah I wish they clearly explained Mobius vs Earth in a CLEAR WAY.
Mobius is where all the animals live? Earth is where the humans live? You travel to both places via a giant ring? Perfect. VERY WELL EXPLAINED. Thank you, Sega
All I know is that, and this I got from the classic games is that there are 5 locations in Sonic's universe.
South Island is the planet with only animals. Though some humans may come. All the classic stages are there like Green Hill. Sonic Forces took place on South Island.
The next part of the world is Earth where the people live. However, some animals are free to live there like Big. Sonic Adventure, Shadow, 06, and Unleashed took place on Earth.
We also have other places. We have Little Planet which comes once a month every year. Stardust Speedway is one of the stages on Little Planet.
There's also the Death Egg, which will always be rebuilt.
And of course Angel Island, which has all the stages from Sonic 3 and Knuckles like Sky Sanctuary.
Something I kind of want to see is a Sonic and the Chaotix where it’s Sonic, Espio, Vector, and Charmy in an adventure where you pick 1 of the 4 but with up to 4 players in the main game where you can all pick a character and you can unlock others like Mighty and Knuckles with DLC or as an achievement
Sonic into the sonic-verse.
I want to see a Forces 2 where Infinite returns but he's been corrupted terribly by the destruction of the Ruby, left missing an eye and 3 of his limbs blown off by the Ruby's explosion, now floating in a tank inside of Eggman's layer, brooding over the loss of his power while struggling with the pain of his injuries, the magic of the Red Ruby pulsing through his veins, slowly eating away at him.
Eggman, now depressed by his continued losses, and (to show a side of Eggman we haven't seen before) actually pained by the sight of infinite in the tank, vows to reconstruct Infinite using his knowledge of bionics. Disgusted, Infinite refuses, saying that he "doesn't want to be one of his minions." Eggman, hurt by the comment but still pained by the sight of the decaying Infinite, spends a year searching for all the chaos emeralds in secret to attempt to use the Genesis Wave to heal Infinite of the Red Curse (the poison left by the Phantom Ruby in Infinite's body) to allow him to at least live outside the tank.
Sonic and friends mostly leave Eggman alone for this year, busy rebuilding the cities after the war. In that time, Sonic and friends have time to relax a bit, and Sonic can be seen going on runs for fun rather than on a mission (this could be a couple of acts where Sonic goes around town for a tutorial, talks to his friends, meets up with Amy for a "date", and talks to Tails about his plane or fetching parts for it from around a big world map, etc etc.
As is the usual, Shadow keeps the Green Emerald on his person at all times, so to lure it away from him, Eggman sets a trap using the other 6 Emeralds in an array to create the laser tether seen in Unleashed, but this time inside of a cage hardly bigger than the size of Shadow. Once the tether traps Shadow, Eggman handcuffs him with a shock-cuff, preventing him from speaking and using Chaos Controller. Now in control of all 7 emeralds and with Shadow captured, Eggman heads back to his layer with the cage to heal Infinite. However, even though the trap was sprung in the dead of night, Rouge, using her echolocator (a nod to bats and a gps tag given to Shadow) and spy skills manages to track their location after hearing the Egg-mobile fly off from Shadow's house. She follows Eggman back to his layer, while sending a video feed via a HUD camera back to Sonic over an encrypted voice call. Right as Sonic and Amy's date is about to start, the call comes in, Rouge tells Sonic and Amy what has happend, relays Eggman's coordinates to them, and they both postpone the date, instead heading to Tail's house to meet up with the rest of Team Sonic.
Infinite, clearly insane by this point after the Red Curse has degraded his mind, floats in the tank at the base as Eggman arrives. For months, the only thing Infinite has been able to say was "a shadow." and "weak", referring originally to his pure hatred for Shadow, the one who dispatched his mercenary group. However, as his sanity depleted, he began to murmur "a shadow" "ashadow" "shadow" more and more, and eventually darkness was all his mind could think about. As Eggman arrives with the cage (and a now handcuffed Shadow in the cage covered by a veil), the Emeralds begin to glow. Eggman begins to put the Emeralds in slots around Infinite's pod, and they glow brighter as he does. As the final Emerald is placed in the slot, Sonic and team arrives (Eggman's base exists on a secluded, metallic island, like a darker, more stark version of Eggman's island from Boom. This makes up the majority of the speed level, where Tails flies Sonic, Amy and Knuckles onto the Island and then Sonic races towards the deepest part of the Island where Infinite is kept, and the other three do the same with minor gameplay differences.
As they arrive, they see Eggman step behind a glass door (in case the Genesis Wave were to hit him he built a barrier of some kind to keep the Wave from affecting him) and he gives a short speil about how awful Sonic is and tells him to look at Infinite one last time. Sonic for the first time in a year, sees Infinite, crippled and insane. At that moment, Eggman hits a button, sending a surge of Chaos Energy into Infinite, meant to heal him. However, the power immediately attracts to Infinite's Insanity, causing a small earthquake as Infinite shudders violently in his tank. the earthquake sends a shockwave through the facility, knocking over the cage Shadow was in, both releasing the cuffs, and knocking off the veil.
Infinite sees shadow, the core of his hatred, and completely loses it. Absorbing all the energy of the Chaos Emeralds into himself, he screams once more "SHAADOOOOOOOOOOOOW" and shoots all of the negative Chaos energy from the emeralds in a laserbeam directly at Shadow. Sonic sees whats happening in time and goes to reflect the beam, but trips when another shockwave hits the ground and is instead struck by the beam himself, sending him and Shadow crashing through the wall and hurtling into the facility. Amy Tails and Knuckles then look to see a fully revitalized Infinite, now with glowing white fur and completely red and yellow eyes on both sides, hovering above them menacingly.
As the trio shrinks back in fear (and Eggman cowers in his chamber) Infinite cackles with madness, then composes himself, thanking the "poor Doctor" for revitalizing him, and filling him with a new power. He then snaps his claws and teleports out of the room, as the earthquake begins to grow more violent, parts of the robotic compound collapsing around them. Eggman finally opens his hatch and informs the crew that the compound is falling apart at the seams, and that they all need to escape or the whole facility will come down on top of them. Tails quickly grabs the seven Emeralds (which are now a dull, clear gray after being drained of both their positive and negative energies) and slips them into his backpack as they head towards the nearest exit with Eggman.
Deep inside the hull of the base, Shadow awakens from being knocked out in the blast and looks around him, grunting in pain as he looks at one of his gloves, which was torn in the fall. He then remembers Sonic fell with him, and gets up, looking for where he could be... and he finds Sonic, completely unconcious... a dark mass of quills, with large, empty, pupil-less eyes, breathing, but unmoving in a pile of debris in a dark corner of the base. After realizing that sonic was alive, Shadow slings him over his shoulder, and as the base begins to crumble, Shadow races up the falling debris to rescue Sonic and return him to the rest of the Team.
I think I may need to write this out more. XD I call it, Sonic Phantoms.
They should keep the world like sanic forces. Where its a city but populated by animals. I personally liked that
It worked well
Im sad cuz tails is my fav character and you cussed at him 😥😥😥😢😢😢😢😢😢
Modern Sonic use to be the universal design. But ever since they brought C.Sonic back in the games it just made things more complicated. When Mania/Forces came out, SEGA decided to split Sonic up into two characters, and now we have two Sonic's to focus on instead of one. C.Sonic is no longer the Sonic from the past like in Generations, he just another Sonic from an alternate dimension. For over 20 years I always saw Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic as the same character, just a different artstyle. I miss when the franchise focused on one Sonic instead of all these different versions of Sonic. =\
Hes still the same Sonic but runs in a different timeline because of the events of Generations.
Modern Sonic is Classic Sonic. Classic Sonic is Modern Sonic.
Hes from a different dimension because hes doing things Modern Sonic didn't do in his past aka
Mania.
Someone send this video to SEGA!
He has to speak in Japanese
@@hotel_arcadia what about SEGA of America?
@@movinghandstudios2874 SEGA of America doesn't have as much power as Japan does over Sonic.
@@hotel_arcadia Sega of America could translate it and send it to Japan
@@movinghandstudios2874 That's true, yeah
Your absolutely right the people behind Sega have let Sonic become effected by media and because of that they don't try to shake off the stigma they just try and further it
WHAT sega need is someone to make a history road and set up everything, like it not 2 worlds apart for storys but one world, cause how is Shadow meant to be with out GUN, and other things