The 10 Stages of Learning Any Art Skill
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While learning any art skills, I’ve found I go through the same sequence of experiences. This applies whether it’s perspective, anatomy, gesture, form, light and shadow, colour, composition - any skill.
I’ve never just watched a tutorial and been able to do it. I’ve always had to go through ups and downs, doubt, hope, frustration. Perhaps you also have a sequence like this?
Let me know your experiences in the comments :) - Jak na to + styl
I'm not avoiding skills, I just get home and stare listlessly into space, when I wanted to practice and when I finally get enough energy to act... it's bedtime and work beckons once more.
staring listlessly into space sounds healthier than disappearing into a youtube rabbit hole tho
@@lovelifedrawing ouch :P
is it energy, or courage? cos I get that same thing of staring into space (or doing something else) and its courage that im building up
oof same
with me it’s either the ADHD or the depression 🤦🏻♀️
I find uncertainty is my nemesis. Not knowing what I want to do mostly so I don’t know what skills to practice. Looking at my favourite artists helps a lot but beware of the rabbit hole again lol. And then when Look at tutorials I schedule twice the time to listen to it so I can take notes and do the exercices at the same time. Usually takes longer than that and sometimes I pause the video for a long time in the middle to finish a drawing. Oh snap! Am I drawing on my own? Happens once in a while :)
I don’t know why I’m writing all that but that’s comments towards this video! But certainly I feel you @black citadel9 and what I wrote above only happens sometimes. Most of the time I can start and last for 5 minutes. Then I try again. And again.
I’ve never seen another artist describe these roadblocks as honestly as you did. The Fluke part resonated with me because as I learn to draw Manga style. Once a blue moon, there a perfect shape of head and then nothing. I guess that’s where i stop and doubt, do I know anything at all ?
Yeah the fluke usually means there's real progress, but getting to the 'consistent and intuitive' is still a while away
Same here. If I had heard that in my teens instead of my 30s… well I guess it doesn’t matter now. I can only use the information in the present.
Art is super difficult for me to learn becuase of how most videos teach it. I struggle to learn more open ended aspects, and almost every art tutorial teaches the same subject/skill in slightly different ways. This naturally makes it way more confusing for me. I learn best when I'm learning directly from someone, but I really don't have the luxury of having some kind of teacher right now.
Try different ways and stick with what works for you. And don’t forget to experiment and play, art is expression and you can learn from playing too
@@sourgreendolly7685 I agree with you. But that's exactly what he was talking about, this a pretty generic and non specific comment for improvement. I also have a very hard time with open ended instructions so i can see his point when everyone teaches the same things in slightly different ways but you can still never understand.
I have seen the "draw simple" shapes teaching about 100 times, yet i still struggle. I keep going but since i can't get private lessons or anything of that sort i am still slowly improving.
You’re amazing! Nearly all other tutors on CZcams do indeed teach as if the knowledge is obvious, without fully acknowledging the utterly painful and bumpy process of actually LEARNING - practice makes perfect but how do you practice and why do I hate everything I draw? You are the first person to fully empathise with the journey of learning. Thank you 😁
I can totally relate to that feeling after gaining some confidence (or is it just an ego massage?) from a step-by-step demo and then transitioning to do it on your own.
One of the key things for me has been that I get more enjoyment from creating my own painting than I do from following someone else's. However, it does show up lots of "faults", but that's OK - I just say to myself this is what practice is all about and it's fun and often full of many interesting surprises. The demonstrations, online classes, workshops etc. can all help develop skills and techniques, but the real juice to let loose is the creative one from within.
In another video of yours, you hilariously ended with Just Do It, so I will rephrase that (and avoid the lawyer calling...) by saying it like this: JUST LOVE IT. When it comes to art, or anything that one çares about, life is just too precious and too short to not do it with love.
Great, motivated, encouraging video! I went through these circles of hell many times and I'm going to go again =)
Haha yeah me too!
Thank you for this video, I laughed so many times because it felt like you've been watching my life in a movie, and then made this video as a review of it.
Hehe I’m glad it’s not just me having these experiences!
You Make me laugh at myself while laughing at you. Love your humor.
This is my second time watching this vid and at 6:55 usually works for me after a good night's sleep. It's like the concept sets in my mind overnight
The Steve Huston line was classic! Lol
I realized recently that I was drawing better before I watched how-to tutorials. When I instinctively and simply sought to show the effect, capture the feeling tone, I did it. Then it became lifeless when I tried to do it "right." However, I feel that ultimately, once elements of the tutorials settle in my mind and become not conscious (at the forefront), the knowledge will aid me in the details. This is a part of learning that I think is so important in every new skill, whether it is learning a new language or science. Info/skills have to be digested. It has to become "unconscious," a part of us, before we can use it fluidly. So learning these things is not a mistake. Just think about how awkward one is when learning new dance steps at first. We are clumsy, stiff. But once you learn them, you don't think about them. You do them fluidly. Same with driving, riding a bicycle, swimming, skiing. Same with learning to draw! Many different aspects of perception and muscle coordination need to develop. They can't all develop at the same time, and when we work on one, the others are impacted and we might think we're going backwards. But if we persist, they all come together in the end. And at times we may thin we lose something, but that's because our innate intelligence is working to bring something else on board. Main thing to remember is that we can only fully dance when, after learning the steps, we don't insist on thinking about them up front.
yeah you often feel like you're going backwards when you're learning something new!
i’m not on drawing but another skill which also need lots of practice and understanding to get to where i want to be. i think i’m at stage 5 and 6 ....and you are damn right i’m absolutely judging and doubting myself that i got anxious and stopped for almost 2 months trying to calm myself down so I could get back on track
I'm learning to draw since one year now, but I haven't drawn for one week because I'm really stuck in the stage 10, where I can do some cool things (basic landscapes, correct figures...) but I still feel sooooo faaaaar from the great paintings, and I can relate to the video because I love what Ango the mango do, but I do have still so much to learn :D thank for your video, I hope I'll have the patience and the willingness to go through all the challenges you mentioned in the video.
I looooove Love Life Drawing! what a great video! Thanks Kenzo.
I actually laugh out loud listening to your instructions cuz they really resonate with my reality! Helpful and uplifting advice for drawing…right here! Thank You Kenzo!
This is so on point! I am flashed by the accuracy and hearing the exact words for what I am going through at this moment. Thank you for your humour and the refreshing honesty 🤗
love how real this guy is...
Thank you! This thing just explained the whole process I went through without even noticing it. It really saved me a lot of nerves. Now I at least understand where I am and what to do. It seems my crisis is finally over! I studied in many places and in a very chaotic way, so it was very difficult to understand what the hell is going on. Will definitely come back to watch it again. These steps help in other areas, so I want to look at it from different angles!
The MOST relatable video I've ever watched in my entire life! 😂
Hehehe nice to know I’m not alone!
Again have to write it -- it is one of the best motivational video I have ever seen
Thanks Alexandr!
NAILED it! 👏
I watched this entire video, nodding in agreement with a sarcastic, guilty grin across my face…because you called out every single feeling I’ve had while learning a new technique, lol. Your final point about understanding that developing even more new skills may indeed bring you through these same exact phases, and trying to embrace the challenges instead of being discouraged, is a perfect send-off.
Thank you, Kenzo. This was absolutely brilliant.
I’m so glad I found this video, last night I was at the head in hands moment, today it’s much clearer. Onwards hopefully 🤞
i NEEDED this video
Wow, thanks for the hope you share! Great content.
This is a great video not just for art, but for skills in general. It perfectly captures some of the emotions I go through trying to learn a skill almost 1:1 so I'm glad Im not the only one feeling this way.
dude keep doing video like this and thanks i really really like this topic, i stop drawing for 5 years and now i started to gain my drawing skills and yeah thanks
Thanks for this! ❤️ Learning art in any form is a journey with ups and downs. I will try to be better at celebrating my small achievements along the road while learning to draw. I have made a long journey with music and know that the small steps becomes magic in the end 🤩
Thank you, very recognizable. Specially the part about giving up, let me try again!
Thank you so much for making this video. I was actually laughing out loud at times because some of the phrases you said to yourself were verbatim of what I said to myself at times. I havent mastered anything yet but knowing a good solution to each infuriating step is so encouraging.
Thank you, and the community for all the encouragement and practical advice.
I hope you will continue to share your thoughts and talents.
Thanks John!
Oh Kenzo! Your videos are so relatable and so insightful as always. Another gem of gold. And very funny!
Thank you Alan hope you’ve been well :)
Spot on and brilliant video.
Great video. Thanks so much for this.
Thank you
THANK YOU FOR YOUR VIDEOS! They are SO relatable, informative AND funny! Thanks for helping me feel less of an idiot and realise that I’m still on a journey and its all about practice, practice, practice! :)
Glad it helped Libby!
Hi Kenzo! I want to thank you not only for this video, but for all the amazing content you put here for us. Your videos are really awesome, and I always learn - and get inspired - a big deal from them. Besides, I love the way you explain things. I really appreciate your work! Cheers from a brazilian fan ☘️
Thank you Gian! What a great comment to wake up to this morning :)
Amazing video, man!)) thank you so much
I laughed all the way through this. It’s like you got inside my mind. This was so helpful for understanding that it’s all part of the process and that if I don’t give up, the proficiency I so badly want to have will come eventually. Thank you. Your videos help me to gain a better understanding of skill building, but they also help me to brave the course and keep reaching. I’m still fairly new on this journey and I must say, my personal “art home school” wouldn’t be the same without your content. So thanks again, from an American follower.
That’s great! I’m going through this right now as I try to develop a cartoon style. Got to keep the faith this process will work eventually!
gosh i loved ur impression of the baby artist ckskwlspemdpdö its just literally me when i learn a thing
Great video man!
Good video, i am doing a lot of rushing drawings lately, i have to focus more on understanding, thanks ❤
Sooo, how did you get inside my brain? I’m not drawing currently, been busy learning whip making, bamboo saxophone making, sourdough bread baking, etc. Am I avoiding drawing because of most if not all you’re talking about in this video, ah, yes. That being said, the bread done right is amazing!! Thanks again for an informative and motivating lesson!
you know what kenzo, this was a great video. this makes my learning experience much more structured and i feel like this video was essentially i guess a map. of course, anything was better than what i was doing. thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I can relate 💯
From my experience i get results of understanding when i stop drawing and have a piece of paper and draw 20 points next to each other , and bring a photo or art and absorbed informations from it , and in every information i get it i fill one of these 20 points .
I started practicing with absorvation mental method without including lines , just to not be distracted about wanting to get results .
4:03 omg if this isn't the truth!!! I'm relating to all these so much (while also having a blast because the skits are just too funny and relatable. You nailed it). The pros make it look so simple and I sorta get it but when I try it just becomes a hot mess and I question my entire existence lmao
Man, it's encouraging to see the whole process like this so we can comprehend the big picture
Thanks for this bro! Cant wait to get to the point of drawing being intuitive!
You've got this!
0:17 YES, FINALLY, THE PERFECT EXAMPLE, THAT IS ME
you gotta work on those simple forms!
Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Kenzo!!!!!!!!!!
You made me laugh with your perspicacious video. Totally relate to this.
Thank you once again.
Thanks Tessa - also learned a new word from your comment!
You crack me up!
Just thanks ...
I think the key skill that's needed to understand and cope with these stages is "Awareness". If your aware of where you are in your process of learning this new technique, idea or skill and you can actively remind yourself that your supposed to feel frustrated in this moment and its okay because it means you are actually in the process of getting better right now in this moment, then you can grow the courage to simply trust the process. Its also important to always take a step back when you done and recognize where you came from, where your going and that there is always more to learn, you are never a master, you are ALWAYS a student.
thank you, i always know i’m not alone😂
Brother you’re a mind reader 🤘
Seems like you're describing the artists Dunning-Kruger effect. I experience this over and over again for proportions, gesture, anatomy, color, penmanship, perspective and form. I feel like I'm making progress, start feeling good, go to do something different, get depressed because I really don't know what it's supposed to look like and know I have the start over and spend a few dozen hours studying.
I also have the issue of things not being "correct" and unable to reconcile why. I don't want to spend thousands of hours copying someone else's work before my brain gets naturally wired to see what the problem is. It is a neat "ah ha" moment when it happens but it feels like there should be a more direct procedural process that can be worked out as opposed to just doing it over and over until you just start seeing it.
brilliant
Yeah this was great. Was seriously going through some frustrating periods these passed few weeks
Cheers Braylon!
LOL. I usually skip Denial and go straight to Despair. Especially when I look at another artist's work.
the biggest barrier I'm facing is not knowing if one is ready enough to try more complex things
There is nothing more frustrating than trying and realizing that you have to go back to basics because something is missing.
I could have used this when I went to art school, it would have saved me from giving up so many times 😩
Almost frighteningly accurate deconstruction of the process, Kenzo! Can especially relate to that "fluke" moment, which I've by now learned to interpret as a "I've seen the light" moment that keeps me going. The really hard part, to me, is figuring out where to go. Even if I just concentrate on, totally random example, becoming excellent at figure drawing, what does that even mean to me? So many amazing artists do it in just as many amazing ways. Most of the time, I have to try things out for a while to decide if I actually care. So the path is everything but a straight line.
Yeah that’s a great point. I’m currently heading in two directions - one is figure drawing / painting for the joy and beauty of it, the second is that graphic novel I mentioned. There are so many skills on that line it’ll keep be busy learning for a long time!
@@lovelifedrawing Ah, only two directions! I admire your focus :D
Todo suena tan familiar.... 😅, Pero me estoy dando cuenta que una vez q ya establecí un orden a la hora de dibujar y me organice en tiempos lo demás empieza a fluir poco a poco. Solo creo yo q es cuestión de paciencia y mucha práctica. Ahora sí ya puedo decir q me siento más confiada la realizar un dibujo, pero ahora ya tratando de hacerlo de una manera q ya me identifique.
Gracias Kenso, pues en este video creo claramente las etapas q pasa uno y que no entiende uno en el momento y se experimenta mucha frustración y desaliento, pero SON ETAPAS, "hay q darle tiempo al tiempo" sin dejar de insistir. "La práctica hace al maestro"
@ 6:45 is very similar to Kenny Werner's concept of effortless mastery. If you don't know about him do yourself a favor and check him out. He's a piano player. His concepts can be applied to any art form or any kind of skill you wish to aquire.
I dont feel like Im in the 6-7 as I started drawing late and dont think I have enough fundamental understanding but I go between states of just making flukes that work and then going back to more structured approach where it feels like Im not learning and im just doing the same thing over and over but while it looks fine its not whats in my mind and what Im trying to express. Feels like im a copy machine and I got into drawing as I thought there were things that couldnt be expressed with words but now Im expressing this image in my mind by compromise.
noticed first that you’re left handed. Don’t know why i do this when i watch tutorials but i just do. (I’m left handed) i inherited a “knack“ for art since i was 5… it’s in the genes i guess…but I’m decades older now and realize that my artwork doesn’t have that “professional” look. I’m stuck in art 101. i never formally learned but i can’t let it go. I just have this passion and great imagination, but no confidence. i just don’t know why i was given this talent and can’t get successful. All the basic art courses i took in college my instructors kept my artwork. Maybe I’m too old now. 🤷♀️😢.
I feel this, I'm older now as well, always did art since I was a kid, and I struggle with confidence. But it's inspiration from other artists that keep me going. I would say, that you're never too old. Start slowly building a portfolio and watch these inspiring art channels. You can do great things, no matter the age, if you have the passion for it, please don't give up. Best of luck on your journey
I think the progress it is a matter of good slow absorvation not drawing it self .
Cus all of us today live fast without pay any attention about the details in general .
Godly Video I Say Nothing More About It
That must have been so fun recording the parts where you talk to yourself hahaha
hehe my dog always looks at me like i'm mad
Stage 10 is a big one...
I'm learning anatomy right now and the hardest part to me is knowing when to go over to the next step. I tend to get stuck on one tiny aspect for weeks on end, getting frustrated, bored and in turn less motivated to practice. Which makes me progress even slower. I know that mastering one aspect of drawing is probably unrealistic without at least knowing the basics of the rest, but I cant help myself. Any tips on that?
I recommend the pdf guide to skills linked in the description, or look at our vid the First 7 Skill to learn
Mountain and Valleys
Thats my journey
It depends on the purpose of your motivation. I am a very lonely person for ”political” reasons, so they say. Therefore I need to draw faces. If they are children faces or old people faces I could say I made some progresses. For the rest I do not know. The pinterest models I choose are those that smile or show love, although...
NICE
The person who is reading this comment , I wish you great success , health, love and happiness !
You are funny 😂😂😂
you gotta be careful tho, cause there are a lot of people that are honestly stuck in their progress. And I dont mean a perception of being stuck, but actually. If youre doing the same shit for years and not moving forward - its srly time to rethink your approach or look for a mentor
I used to draw over 10 years ago, but I stopped because my art skills were going no where and I was drawing art in a unsatisfactory way… I wished I didn’t stop.. but I do want to draw again. Problem is… I’m autistic, I have ADHD, I have depression and anxiety. With these issues, I feel that I will I’ll never be able to learn to draw ever again. I’ve searched high and low for answers and help… the usual ‘practice, practice, practice’ response from any typical artist does not work! I just don’t know what to do to start drawing cartoon/anime art again.. could you help or give any advice on what I should do? Please?
I'm not alone after all....
Im at all stages at once 🥲
i always get stuck at stage 5 help
Dunno if you'll see this but- I enjoy practicing but I run into the issue of struggling tew draw from imagination/apply the skills used- like I go blank! And I can never find the proper balance, any tips?
Even if I only been drawing for 6, 7 years and aside of going to art school doing commissions of my favourite anime and video games characters, uhh I'd suggest you to work with 3d models or god shaped figure drawing mannequins *not the wood large ones* and try to use them as a 3d visualization reference, not copy them but use them for visualizing something that mildly resembles a body and it's twists, and then you add the anatomy and knowledge you practiced on top. Also if you don't know how to draw a face wether it's stylistic one from comics or anime or a real one, pick up a bunch of references from the kind of faces you want to draw or the parts of the face you struggle the most and do repetitions of these, iterations, try to draw the same pic several times and analyse why you like one or some over others, analyse the lines, gestures, forms and shapes you used, etc, hoping it helps somewhat fellow artist.
Let yourself draw from your imagination really badly. Keep doing it really badly and 1) you'll realise what are the most important things to learn so that you can do it slightly better after a long time and 2) you will get better by practising those 'most important things'.
Everyone says talent isn't a thing, and maybe talent isn't the right word for it. But surely aptitude is a thing? Like when you were in school some kids had an easier time in math class. Not that they were born knowing it but something about how it was taught to them and how their brain processes information just made it click more readily. There's also a concept in coding called tutorial hell, where you'll follow a tutorial and think you've learned it only to then realize you've only gotten good at copying the tutorial, not applying those skills elsewhere. I'm always trying, looking for new methods and tutorials and artists I can try and learn from. But boy does it feel like I'm rubbing my face on a brick wall and hoping the wall wears out before my face does.
I’m turning 22 in a month I’ve been taking a break from art i kinda Wanda get back into it I wanna learn anatomy is it too late for me to get back into it
Definitely not
No, pick up that damn pencil
bro 22 is young lol. I know a lot of professional artists and I can say with confidence that quite a lot of em got into art fairly late in their lives. Its not required to be a professional at 16 years or some shit, just take it at your own pace
lol this is scary accurate
I feel like I am constantly between step 5 -7 and then jump right to 10. :/ 8-9 very rarely happen to me...
I love your videos very much! A while ago I decided for myself to go back to the basics as if I had never learned anything because I hate almost everything I create. ^^° I can't stop feeling like a failure that learns to damn slow. Maybe I can see step 8-) more after this, haha
Yes it can be hard and frustrating - keep working on the exercises that have big impact, don't shy away from the difficult work, study really good artists and you will get there :)
this is so accurate it hurts lmao
stage 1: damn it! 😂
I guess I’m the only one, but it just feels like-- I’m just too old to learn all this.
Someone tell Detail to go get Proportions his coffee
should I be worried when I'm in all stages at the same time
is it ok to have all 10 stages in the same time?😐
Say me please, what is the book at 0:42?
Valerie Winslow's book about anatomy
@@lovelifedrawing Thank you!
What about artists with mental disabilities like me? I have ADHD and autism and it really effects me to the point where I forget almost everything I learned the previous day and seeing all these great artists not having ADHD or autism is taxing on my will to draw, can I ever do what they do?
I practiced mannequins, figures, construction, anatomy for months straight almost every draw for hours on end and still to this day I can not draw a fully proportionate figure :(
Hi I'm afraid I don't know enough about those conditions to comment. However, I will say that after months of practice I also couldn't draw great figures. learning to draw figures to a point you are satisfied can take years of practice for anyone
@@lovelifedrawing The last sentence gives me some hope 🙏, also, do you know the name of any artists with Adhd or autism?
@@thecatalog7188 sorry I don’t. some of the artists I love probably have one of those but I just don’t know about it - I usually don’t know much about the personal lives of artists just their actual artwork
Learning to draw the human figure well is a lifetime's worth of study!
I’m trying to learn to draw from imagination so… I’m not progressing too much and worst of all it seems to me I’m losing whatever little ability I had copy from real life 😂
Pode fazer um vídeo sobre desenho/traço continuo?
you mean like a continuous line drawing?
@@lovelifedrawing acho que sim.
I might not make a video on that, but Jake Spicer teaches that in his book and elsewhere, plus lots of other people :)
Oh my god, there is something wrong with me. 😉