@@gutamarry that's another problem with FO4 Bethesda forgot that Fallout is a ROLEPLAYING game And Nate is fixated as a soldier and Nora is fixated as a lawyer (i think) The original fallouts, like New Vegas Lets you explore without *forcing* you into the main quest You can actually say no instead od saying yes all the time Every faction has both a Yin and a Yang (NCR is trying to fix the mojave but it's a weak inept bureaucracy, Legion tries forcing discipline and cracking down on the bad while causing morally questionable things [also imo to me the Legion feels less like Imperial Rome and more like Republic Rome, Athens and Sparta] ) Hence the name since the Original Fallout *A Post Nuclear Roleplaying Game*
@@GanjaMasterBlaster That's true but the gunplay and general mechanics of Fallout 4 are massively better, to the point where, if I try to go back and play through New Vegas again, I can only make it so far before having to take a break and play some FO4 'cos the New Vegas gunplay and general mechanics are so pitifully outdated that I find it too frustrating to keep playing.
@@m_uz1244 i already know that the gunplay is better (But the weapons are awful, like look at the "assault rifle" and the awful laser musket" and the VATS not pausing time And there's less weapons than there were in New Vegas)
he probably know that...it's just that they repair and actually USE an KI-weapon system similar to the ones the synths are, that even use NUKES...i mean...didn't they learn anything of what happend ?
And at the end of this tense exchange of dialogue... Maxon whips around and begins sprinting away like a boy whose mom just shouted "Cookies are ready!" Classic Fallout
@@ettertarten not just the speech check. If you lower his health to half he literally runs away like a looney toons character while chucking grenades at you
+Matthew Carlile the problem is that, for someone who has played the Witcher 3, these characters look bland and scripted bots in comparison, just reacting to linear quest design. Not referring to this case in particular, but the Fallout 4 game is riddled with storytelling and character development problems.
+Cian Byrne its not only because of the Witcher 3 comparisons though. There are some blatant problems with Bethesda's writing and quest design, that have only gotten worse with each game. This is not a consequence of the sandbox open world though, because Obsidian excelled in quest design for New Vegas, they were light years ahead of anything todd howard team has created yet, unfortunately. They need to rethink their approach... Thats my two cents about this issue.
couldnt agree more the story about the survivalist in the honest hearts dlc is so good hopefully because of the mixed fan reaction to fallout 4 bethesda will let obsidian make another fallot
+PTyscho As odd as it seems it's hard to compare Bethesda's fallout games to FO:NV, they're completely different in the way they were designed. New Vegas had an amazing story, and it felt like your actions were actually going to change the Mojave. NV was also god awful for exploration on a second or third playthrough. Almost every location was quest related, and those that weren't felt very empty. Fallout 3 and 4 are on the opposite side of things. The story is more than a little lacking, but there are hundreds of hours worth of exploration. If you ask me Bethesda has done a lot of good with FO4. They made using guns outside of vats not only viable but fun, this is there most successful title to date (which means more fans to fall in love with the series and maybe even play the first two), voice acting is MUCH better than before, ect. They've also ignored old issues and make some new ones. Thee main thing is Fallout is still alive and doing better than ever. None of the issues Bethesda has can't be fixed, be learned from. It also seems like they've finally found their style and are beginning to perfect it, it wouldn't suprise me if in the next Bethesda game they tackle problems like story telling and player choice (like they've done with many things this time around).
+PTyscho As odd as it seems it's hard to compare Bethesda's fallout games to FO:NV, they're completely different in the way they were designed. New Vegas had an amazing story, and it felt like your actions were actually going to change the Mojave. NV was also god awful for exploration on a second or third playthrough. Almost every location was quest related, and those that weren't felt very empty. Fallout 3 and 4 are on the opposite side of things. The story is more than a little lacking, but there are hundreds of hours worth of exploration. If you ask me Bethesda has done a lot of good with FO4. They made using guns outside of vats not only viable but fun, this is there most successful title to date (which means more fans to fall in love with the series and maybe even play the first two), voice acting is MUCH better than before, ect. They've also ignored old issues and make some new ones. Thee main thing is Fallout is still alive and doing better than ever. None of the issues Bethesda has can't be fixed, be learned from. It also seems like they've finally found their style and are beginning to perfect it, it wouldn't suprise me if in the next Bethesda game they tackle problems like story telling and player choice (like they've done with many things this time around).
Most of Bethesda's dlc's and side quests are better written than the actual main quest lines. Morrowinds main quest line was pretty good but Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and 4 are just okay. The best part of writing in each game came from a dlc Oblivion (Shivering Isles), Fallout 3 (The Pitt), Skyrim (Dawnguard), Fallout 4 (Far Harbor).
When Danse said actually said "Don't you understand? I thought I was human, Arthur." I felt major feels. It really shows the personal relationship between Maxson and Danse before all hell broke loose.
You know what I'd like to ask, Maxson? What would he have done if it was his name on the synth list? While the Institute needs to crumble due to their sick practices, especially kidnapping and murdering people, their creations shouldn't have to suffer the punishment for the sins of their maker.
MetroidJunkie There’s too much hanging onto Maxson. His death would spell the end of the BoS. Assuming they haven’t already frozen sperm samples lmaooo.
Wiebe de Groot I think that's why it really made Maxson bitter about it. And if he didn't order the death of Sense(although I think it shitty too and disagree) he would be a hypocrite.
This is the peak of Bethesda’s writing in Fallout. Most of its okay but this is genuinely great. If only the rest of it was this emotionally driven and well performed
@@sickandafraidThe one thing Bethesda aren't is lazy. If they were lazy they wouldn't make games like this. With all the interactivity and physics? There's a reason no one else makes games quite like them. That's not to say they always do top quality work. Even as someone who really liked Starfield, it's clear they tried to spread themselves too thin their. I can't blame them, they were trying to convey the enormity of space, but lost some of their classic elements in the process. But, laziness was not to blame 😅
Fallout 4 has the best gameplay “Yeah but that’s the only thing, the rest of it is trash” Fallout 4 has the best weapons and crafting “Yeah but that’s the only thing, the rest of it is trash” Fallout 4 has the best power armour “Yeah but that’s the only thing, the rest of it is trash” Fallout 4 has the best faction questlines “Yeah but that’s the only thing, the rest of it is trash” Fallout 4 has the best map and exploration “Yeah but that’s the only thing, the rest of it is trash” You people are delusional. It’s a 8/10 and the easily the best Fallout so far, get over it.
Love that he delivers an epic and stoic speech but then when he’s done talking he awkwardly starts running like an infant who is excited because they’ve heard an ice cream van jingle.
@@jellabellabellscat3710 especially since the railroad and the institute wants him dead, the railroad could've easily assassinated him and/or the institute could've sent a single courser He really should've had half a dozen knights as protection instead of being there alone
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer he’s that determined and powerful he’s simply making sure that abomination has been destroyed and is not a threat he just doing his job to protect the commonwealth from the synths
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer Bruh Maxson storms into the Institute with nothing but his pimp coat and a gatling laser, I'm pretty sure he'll be okay taking a stroll through the wasteleand.
Maxson does have a point here... if Danse's perception can be created and altered so much without his knowledge, what else could he be manipulated into doing...?
Maxson: “Flesh is flesh, Machine is machine!” Danse: “Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.”
@@DeathGodRiku Yes! Peter Jessop is the voice actor. When I found out I shat myself. You know the didact from halo 4? That was also harbinger. Shit blows my mind.
@@MR.ICE. Danse, Sovereign, and the Ur-Didact are one and the same? That can only mean one thing: folks, we got another gravemind on our hands...and he's a big one. Welp, it's been nice knowing ya...
+Andrew Ryan no, not actually. but with the power armour, the hood and how his voice sounds like a mix of buzz's actor Tim Allen and George clonney, everyone compares him to lightyear.
Lol, your still on the dialogue choice to kill or spare danse for three in game days. You choose to spare him, you walk outside, and maxon is dead, he fuckin starves to death. And danse is all like "Well, shit"
Really love Maxons voice. It's not as epic sounding as Danses but the actor really went all out to make him sound truly passionate about what he was saying. Theres a couple of speech checks earlier in the story and if you fail Maxon goes off on you and it kind of makes you want to say "yes sir" to him :P. Kind of interesting to see him as a sweet little kid in fallout 3 and all of the sudden see him as a grizzled war veteran. He's kind of cold and maybe a little delusional but when he speaks you listen.
Perhaps his experiences during the 10 year time skip made him bitter, cynical and grizzled along with experiencing to what happened to Elder Lyons, Sentinel Lyons and the Lone Wanderer.
I like how Arthur slipped up. "...yet you insist he remains alive." I bet its just as hard on Maxson as it is for the SS. He's just using anger and hatred to cover it up.
@@jackcraven7979 yeah I honestly kinda felt that the brotherood in this game were an allegory for fascism I wouldn't be surprised by a mod that made brotherhood power armour look like the wolfenstein SS armour
@@PixelAtionGuitar they kinda are fascist. they're techno religious, militaristic, they want too cleanse the world of synths, ghouls and super mutants (friendly ones) and don't care about the people if the commonwealth
not only is the voice acting phenomenal, so are the animations imo. i love how the gestures they make fit perfectly with what they're saying. not something you see a lot in fallout games - i think the only other instance of this happening i remember is during maxson's speech.
Julia Castro I absolutely agree, this scene alone will always be memorable by a lot of people and yes the gestures fit perfectly with their dialogue.. Absolutely fantastic scene, this is one of the few scenes where I actually feel like I'm the character I'm playing as
The conversation animations in this game are exquisite. Most games that are dialogue heavy just get lazy. Even Mass Effect, a game who's biggest or at least second biggest claim to fame was its dialogue, still seemed to use the same 3 conversational animations over and over again.
Not gonna lie, this is like the best part of the whole game in my opinion, its a well voice acted arguement and it really pulled my strings, because I played a devout brotherhood member first playthrough. When I found out what was really happening I cared about Danse as a character so it was tough. Definately fun though.
Rikudou Okami May I throw my opinion in here too? :3 Yea, I liked this scene alot, damn it had movie quality. It was like they knew each other like brothers. But I gotta my favorite one is (not saying that the maxon vs Danse is bad) definetely the Personal story of Cait. I dunno, It's just about helping someone, who's more than just a friend (and not helping a settlemet, if you catch my drift). It made me feel so good, like I just accomplished something that really matters. It also reminded me of that one girl I knew, but that's a Story for another time...
I was so... distraught when I couldn't convince Danse to let me spare him, and I had forgotten to save ahead of time. And then, when I did kill him with his own weapon he gave me, his last words nearly broke my heart... "Ad victoriam... Brother."
I like how it gradually transitions in this video from midnight to morning, showing Danse and the Sole Survivor's difficult attempt to convince Maxson to let Danse live, and they succeeded.
This is some damn good voice acting, and the body animations tied with the dialog is great. If Bethesda could just invest in some better facial animations this could be the highlight moment of the game for me.
Fun fact: in the Fallout universe, the transistor-the single piece of technology that could've averted the Great war-was actually discovered, but in 2076, far too late. The Great War happened because all the horribly inefficient tech of the universe gobbled up all the Earth's resources way too quickly.
I’d like to imagine the deathclaw was just minding its own business when elder Maxson rolls up on his ass coked up on brotherhood propaganda and pure unfiltered rage with a thirst for blood
This is awesome voice acting. Holy crap. And among with the excellent animation of Fallout 4 it makes this whole scene one of my favorite in the entire game.
It was the only scene that didn't reuse animations for and actually made new ones for it. Bethesda can make great things when they actually put effort into stuff.
Lord Spoon im sorry but that is simply not true, having them flaying their arms around is no exelent animating nor is that pre lip synched face animation !
This story is a shining example of why great writing can make a decision become morally difficult. On one hand, you have Danse, who introduced you to the Brotherhood from the moment you went to the Cambridge Police Station, and from then on has been with you through thick and thin. On the other hand, you have Maxson, who speaks some hard truths about how Danse is a machine made by their greatest enemy, and can very easily be re-programmed to fight for the Institute.
@@CheekiTiki it's fanaticism from our perspective, but if we're viewing him as a character within the fallout universe, he's being pragmatic. fallout 4's mainstory narrative didn't properly convey how serious of a threat the synths/institute were for the people living in the commonwealth; the majority of the quests made synths sympathetic figures.
I don’t understand how people ever side with synths.. The BoS is right. They do just need to purge the land of ghouls, mutants and synths. Ghouls will become feral and kill anyone. Mutants, they’re not so bad. Original normal mutants had brains and could talk. Bethesda nonsense are just orcs that need putting down. Synths are machines. They’re robots who can be controlled and be very dangerous. They need to be shut down too. Danse isn’t a human. He doesn’t have emotions. Destroy him. Yes I know I’m saying him etc, I felt if I wrote it you’d think I was trolling. But genuinely, codsworth, Danse, they’re just robots. They don’t actually have a ‘soul’. I love Nick, but synths are dangerous.
@@orcbumTo me, Synths have a neutral potential to have as many faults as humans, like being evil. You’re right, though. The game does fall flat on that lesson by making them only sympathetic unless they’re Institute infiltrators. You got Synth Raider Gabriel, but the game won’t call out the Railroad for recklessly believing synths are only victims in need, allowing him to stay in power as long as he did. You got DiMA’s secret in Far Harbor, but the game makes you feel really bad about it if you make him own up to it, on top of the storyline about him and Nick reconciling.
Nightmare Fuel Considering the far-reaching appeal of Mario compared to the niche-audience excitement produced by New Vegas, I'd say that's a pretty valid comparison.
To think the real Danse probably died in a battle and had been replaced by a synth...a true revelation. Danse as a synth and encounter Maxson is the best storytelling in this game by far.
@@inktheone5933 No that was quite a while before he came to the Commonwealth and they would have records of him coming back. He also talks about the lost patrol like he didn't know them at all when he mentions them in the Arc Jet dialogue and when he gives you the quest.
I wanted to kill the bastard for it and for his coat. After all danse did for the brotherhood maxson still wants to kill him, in my eyes he is the only robot
Yeah true, but I thought it was interesting that you the player have become such an essential piece to the brotherhood that the Elder himself allowed your deviance
Danse: *literally pouring his synthetic heart out, being the most human a human can possibly be after years of being loyal to the brotherhood* Arthur: "nOoOoO sHuT uP yOu A rObOt AnD i HaTe YoU fOr iT"
Danse is too dangerous, he is a good guy, a good soldier, and likely a good friend to Maxon. But he is a robot, that one day could turn on this brothers and sisters in the brotherhood because a single line of code gets activated. All his dedication, all his values, can be circumvented by programming at any given time. To make things worse, the real Paladin Danse was killed and replaced, he was one of Maxons’ best soldiers. And he was replaced by a robot that thought he was Danse… Paladin Danses’ body was likely desecrated by the institute so the BoS would never find it. Imagine that one of your friends was brutally killed, their body vaporized, then The people who killed them secretly replaced them with a robot who thought they were your friend. You can feel bad for the robot all you want but ultimately it would be insane to trust in the robot.
@@kinglyknight he was always a synth. He was never replaced. He came up on a list of missing synths. He joined the Brotherhood of his own free will. And if the Institute still had control of missing synths, why didn't they just recall him or any other missing one at any time? If they had the ability to do that, there wouldn't be the need for coursers or the SRB.
@@ThesmartestTem I’ve looked into this a lot more since writing my original comment. I will concede that they left it very vague and he is likely a railroad synth with altered memories. However I believe that Danse was a synth that was replaced by the institute with artificial memories based off the real Paladin Danses’ memories and placed back into the brotherhood. He is at the perfect level for infiltration, the institute would love having a synth that close to the leader of the brotherhood. People often forget the institute is constantly replacing dozens of people with synths, kidnapping them, stealing their memories and replacing them despite many of them holding little to no influence. These synths don’t even realize they are synths or that their memories are someone else’s. In terms of the “missing” part of Paladin Danses’ file, it is the strongest evidence that he is a railroad synth, however we don’t know the actual reason he is classified as “missing” and missing doesn’t imply any infiltration protocols aren’t working. Also I will note that synths don’t age so that muddies the water pretty bad for Danse being a kid and joining the brotherhood of steel, rising to the rank of Paladin without anyone noticing.
@Kingly knight. This is 2 months late but I would like too offer a counterpoint. The infiltrators we see in game know they are infiltrators. Danse not knowing he was a synth fits more with the Railroads MO. Offer the synth new memories. So they can hide from the Institute. Plus X6-88 didn’t even know Danse was a synth. If he was an infiltrator wouldn’t X6-88 know?
@@sabergreen2010 sorry didn't see this due to the @ you used not working, the thing that debunks this is the fact that there are dozens of synths that don't know that they are synths despite being placed there by the institute, and because of the level of technology none of the synths can identify one another without visual evidence.
1:53 there should have been a piece of music in the album just for this moment just a deep bellow of a piano possibly showing that deep down Arthur knew Danse was a true member of the brotherhood of steel
The fact that you can convince Arthur to allow Danse to live shows that's he's not as big an ass as everyone always label him as. Fun Fact Maxson himself is actually a reference to King Arthur the ship too. Arthur was nowhere near perfect but kept the loyalty of his troops through sheer determination and purity of spirit. But most importantly he was able to see when he was wrong and always valued loyalty and honor in the highest degree. Showing your loyalty to Dance right in front of him and just how far your willing to go to stand by a friend's side. Maxson can't help but respect that and so he allows you both to live but continues to show a firm hand for the sake of the other men. My own theory is Maxson was more mad that at himself for a allowing a machine to replace one of his best men and he didn't notice it. Danse at one point was a human there are at least 4 characters in the game you interact with that have a history with him before they arrived in the commonwealth. When Dance was replaced anyone could guess. But I like to think Maxson was more upset with himself for not being able to tell the difference between his best man, a close friend no less and a machine. Remember Roger Maxson? He was angry that all the experiments that would later create the super mutants were being preformed on his commands right under his nose and dedicated a good part of his life to trying to clean up that mess. In actuality Arthur resembles his ancestor more than anyone else in his bloodline. Think on those facts for awhile. Maxson is only human just like any of us, how would you feel if a close friend was replaced right under your nose and you didn't notice until it was too late. Put aside all the anti-Maxson and Brotherhood BS for one second and really think on that one fact that Maxson..... Arthur isn't just an Elder. He's a human being with thoughts and emotions of his own. With that said, Advictorium brothers and sisters.
David Stoddart I'm a brotherhood boy but you must admit,he pushes his personal ideals too far, he's just too close minded when it comes to synths. I'm aware that this scene may seem like the latter but you must remember, that was one of Maxon's best and brightest soldiers, there are emotional attachments there that must be taken into account. Maxon didn't spare a synth, he spared a soldier.
If anyone is going the change the Brotherhood for the better its Maxon. He appears close minded because he can't afford to show any weakness to his men or let any word get out of it. The Brotherhood will not change over night he needs to ease them into a new way of life. That's how King Arthur of whom Maxson is a reference to did it. For awhile Arthur accepted the way of life for a king that his father left. But Arthur made subtle changes through out his life to the lands and before you knew it witch burning were outlawed, the Catholic church was kicked out, magic and sorcery were no longer a priority in tracking down, alchemists were no longer seen as witches. From the tidbits we've seen in the game we know Danse wasn't replaced until he arrived in Boston so Maxson had to deal with the loss of one of his best men he's only human after all. But this scene is much like the story with Arthur and Lancelot. Even though Lancelot betrayed his king and begged for punishment, Arthur forgave him instead and Lancelot left on his own as he felt he wasn't worthy of such kindness.
When it comes to the legends of King Arthur they are a favorite of mine and I enjoy any reference to them. Bethesda has already hinted at the possibility of having a civil war between east and west coast brotherhood in the next Fallout. If that's the case I hope enough time passes between this one and the next one to change Arthur's chapter of the brotherhood and come the civil war I will support him. Even in my head canon to Fallout 4's ending my character stayed with the Brotherhood to help Arthur Maxson change for the better. If you look and listen closely the changes are already happening. Brotherhood members talk about how its good to see life return to the commonwealth where as before they couldn't care less what happens to the wastelanders. They openly recruit those who are willing to join where as it use to be you had to be born into the brotherhood. Providing protection of settlements just for food and supplies, not like their asking for a million caps. Preservation of technology is now prioritized over hording it. Not all may see it but The Brotherhood is changing and I hope it keeps going.
The Brotherhood is the best thing for the Commonwealth yes, but I don't know if Maxon can overcome his hatred of the synth he just seems too devoted to that cause, the only one he should drop.
But if our convincing him to spare Danse is one of the choices that carries over into the next game's story then there is a chance. One simple action has the power to set off a domino effect
I see Maxson and I see a man I can die for because you can feel his scars from his voice, his ideology is formed from the suffering he has endured. He fights for what he thinks is right and fights for a better world.
True, but that was with Lyons' brotherhood chapter. And when Maxson became elder, he reformed the Brotherhood to their original beliefs. Anything non fully human, is an enemy.
Damn i wish i chose this type of ending for Danse, Bathesda didn't make dialogues very clear and so i missed it. I like Maxson a lot, but he crossed the line here.
but he didn't cross the line the whole mission the only reason they are in the common wealth is for the eradication of the synths and the institute. at this moment he just betrayed everything he believed in by sparring danse. I do think this is where he crossed the line. but not in your sense.
colby kraus I know that but here comes the irony and makes us feel like Hitler who sparred his Jewish doctor calling him a "noble soul" something like that. There should be exceptions in everything. Also you remind myself of a friend of mine !
+Johan Dale I actually see the point you make and it makes a lot of sence to me hearing it like that. I just rationalize it as yes those robots have the "possibility" to destroy humanity. short sighted I know. them being mass produced and made is what I see as the threat they can easily out number mankind and on a whim destroy us. it's okay for them to exist in my opinion but not to mass produce them selfs. I sound just like Hitler I know but they are not humans as much as they would like to be.
Then you don't see the entire point of the brotherhood of steel, their entire cause is dedicated to the containment and prevention of more technology based disasters like the great war , as of FO4 it is extremely difficult to identify/counter/combat generation 3 synths much like how it was literally impossible to counter or contain a nuke once it was deployed, these idiots in the comments bring up liberty prime and power armor but those things can be controlled and be destroyed if needed.
What makes it even more impressive is every voice actor is this game (And so others Bethesda's title) They all did voice acting individually, no group session at all. According to Gametrailer interview with Brian T. Delaney, voice over of male protagonist.
Fallout 4 Voice acting was way better than Skyrim. Skyrim just lacked personality with its characters, I failed to get emotionally attached whereas I felt the companions in Fallout 4 was very much full of jazz.
Duncan Murphy agreed, but if I’m being completely honest, I still would’ve sacrificed that for a better dialogue system than the half assed one we have in fo4
I love that, despite how much Elder Maxson despises what Paladin Danse is, he shows him respect by not interrupting him when he speaks. The passion from both parties is always moving, and it really backs the player into a hard spot. This was a gem. Both parties are not wrong, but a decision must be made. Love it.
I think Fallout 4 is very underrated. Dialogue like this is phenomenal, but it's only every once in a while. If they could nail this level of writing more frequently, and throw back in a little bit of that obsidian thematic charm, we'd have us a perfect fallout game.
In this game, Mason and Brotherhood as the whole gave me some serious Enclave-y vibes. Instead of guardians and shepherds they became hoarders and conquerors. They have arrived to the Commonwealth as an invading army, riding "manifest destiny" as a steed and quick to eliminate anything or anyone they do not understand. They gave me vibes of a "Steel Plague" ending from FO1. And what hit me hardest is that they arrived to this lowes
Not really, the Enclave are still completely far worse. Maxson and the Brotherhood never really unleashed whimsical killing of humans they are supposed to protect because they weren't pure and were infected with radiation. Although extreme on almost all cases, they still only focus on annihilating super mutants, synths, ghouls and every abomination on the Wasteland.
Honestly, feels like how the Brotherhood originally was. Only the Lyon's Branch of the Brotherhood cared about being "guardians and shepherds" while the real OG Brotherhood was hoarders who wanted to keep technology out of the hands of those they deemed idiotic and problematic. The Enclave are pretty much the nazis of this universe
I honestly liked it. The traits of the BoS are isolationism, idealism and militarism - for a noble reasonable cause. But over time "securing" or "hoarding" the high tech' of the wasteland would start to corrupt the fraction from within or at very least lead to dogmatic conflicts. This kind of writing has potential for the future and more grey shades of morale the player has to face when making his decisions.
Honestly though, if the world were to go to shit, especially to the degree that we see in the Fallout games, the only way to properly and effectively restore order would be through an overwhelming show of military force. The wasteland isn’t a good place, there’s raiders and bandits, killer robots, and mutated creatures everywhere. The only good people you see are usually restricted to settlements and towns. They live hunkered down and cower in fear behind walls like in Diamond City. The Brotherhood is honestly the best thing for the Commonwealth. Everything they’re against and want to kill, is understandable. Synths are machines that can be reprogrammed and are ultimately untrustworthy, plus it should be obvious that any form of sentient artificial intelligence is dangerous. Super Mutants despise humanity and believe themselves to be the superior race, they want to exterminate all humans. They eat people, enough said. And the Ghouls, while some of them are more or less normal people, eventually they will all turn feral like the rest regardless. So killing them is an unfortunate but still necessary mercy. The other factions can’t get the job done. The Railroad is far too concerned with the liberation of synths, so concerned that they are willing to sacrifice human lives to preserve synthetic ones. The Institute has the necessary technology to do some real good and bring major improvements to life above ground, but they don’t. They have plainly stated that they plan to remain underground and ignore the surface world. Then they kidnap people and replace them with synths to gather intelligence and resources. And finally the Minutemen sound good on paper, and are probably the most morally stable faction there is, their goals are noble. But their focus and execution is wrong. The Minutemen aren’t here to solve the problems of life in the wasteland, they’re basically here to help people deal with the problems of life in the wasteland. They’re not a solution to the overall problem, they’re just a temporary remedy, and not a viable choice in the long run.
"Flesh is flesh, machine is machine, those two were never meant to intertwine" Says the leader of an army that uses power as well as having one soldier using said power armor as prosthetics for her blown off legs
The is a big difference that people born off blood and flesh who have robotic elements are use power armour are still human and can't be reprogramd to kill are spy on you robots can all it would take is on Human looking robot with a bome in side off them too take out the brother hood soo actually
Matón: Don't speak to the brotherhood again. Or you will be fired upon. Danse: DonT sPeaK tO thE BrotHeRhOOd AgaIn. oR U WiLl bE fIrEd uPoN. ( proceeds to speak directly to the grand master and to a brotherhood knight.
I never got to this quest...unfortunately,the moment I saw Maxson’s speech I was so in awe by that ballin’ coat I “accidentally” pulled the trigger...and looted him... Yeah...that coat is too cool to be in the hands of an NPC
i really wish that moments like this could have happened all over Fallout 4's main questline, this scene was so good that its one of the few things that i genuinely enjoy about Fallout 4
When i did that quest, i always asked if there was another way, but because i had no option and i gave my soul to the brotherhood, u had to do it as a knight in bos power armor and a kegendary revolutionary sword and it was the first time i had tears on a video game
When I first saw this scene in my playthrough I was like: "DAAAMN Maxson preach!" Almost convinced me to put down Danse lol. I convinced him otherwise but holy shit was this scene epic...
love how 100% Maxson is throughout the entire thing. never breaking character, always dominant like your true superior. then at the end of it all, he loses all that as he runs away like a girl
In all fairness I’m on Maxson’s side here. No matter what Danse believes or says the institute can just say a few words and turn him against the brotherhood or worse steal all the information he has on them. Danse would want you to destroy him to protect the Brotherhood.
Letting him live makes the most sense. Danse would never go back to the institute and would still kill synths. But he doesn't have to die after all he's done, and acknowledging he's the exception so that's why he lives doesn't compromise on the brotherhood's ideals. If Danse were to get hostile and not be alright with dying, then that's different.
@@klawschafer7425 all they have to do is shut him down (which is impossible for him to resist) and then take him back to the institute and download all of his knowledge
@@RoachDoggJr106 I don't think he has any info that's a secret as far as we know? He's just a soldier, he doesn't really deal with anything special. And it's no secret they're planning on obliterating the institute, or where the Prydwyn is.
They really put a lot of effort into this one cutscene, more so than most others in Fallout 4. Maxson's gestures, the voice acting, the gravity of the dilemma at hand...
"You're forbidden to speak to anyone from the brotherhood of steel...you will be fired upon immediately" knowing full well your character is best friends with Danse, You just saved his life. Lmao
Then Preston came and abruptly stopped their intense conversation just to say. "Guys, our friend here needs to help a settlement nearby, ill mark it on their map."
+Hellraiser Scar We need to clone Preston Garvey..the universe of FAllout deserves more folks like him "Heres a settlement of opressed Garveys by gang of attacking raiders, go defend em and they will join us"
Hellraiser Scar Hey, i couldnt miss the moment :D Seriously tho.. Garvey comments are on every Falllout 4 video >.> Never made one, so i went with the flow
Hellraiser Scar Well.. if im payed to blow up raiders with Mini-Nukes, ofc ill take the job offer :D Then again, if my boss resembles Over-Attached Garvey, then i may have second doubts lol *Leaves Garvey to be eaten alive by thousand spawned Mirelurks*
+Grapefruit The BoS ideology is, that since humanity has proven, that it's incapable of being responsible with technology, the BoS will hold on to that technology util someone shows up who's worthy of wielding it
Buzz light year finds out he's a toy and fights with woody at the gas station
Best comment!
Wait......
You can drop a spoiler warning or two before ruining the whole BoS plotline ya know
I like how it took 4 years for anyone to reply to this lmao
YOU. ARE. A. SYNTHHHHHHH!
At this point, I've completely forgotten that l had a son to save.
Shawn was kind of a jagoff anyway
@@basedbattledroid3507 😅 soooo true!
@@gutamarry that's another problem with FO4
Bethesda forgot that Fallout is a ROLEPLAYING game
And Nate is fixated as a soldier and Nora is fixated as a lawyer (i think)
The original fallouts, like New Vegas
Lets you explore without *forcing* you into the main quest
You can actually say no instead od saying yes all the time
Every faction has both a Yin and a Yang (NCR is trying to fix the mojave but it's a weak inept bureaucracy, Legion tries forcing discipline and cracking down on the bad while causing morally questionable things [also imo to me the Legion feels less like Imperial Rome and more like Republic Rome, Athens and Sparta] )
Hence the name since the Original Fallout
*A Post Nuclear Roleplaying Game*
@@GanjaMasterBlaster That's true but the gunplay and general mechanics of Fallout 4 are massively better, to the point where, if I try to go back and play through New Vegas again, I can only make it so far before having to take a break and play some FO4 'cos the New Vegas gunplay and general mechanics are so pitifully outdated that I find it too frustrating to keep playing.
@@m_uz1244 i already know that the gunplay is better
(But the weapons are awful, like look at the "assault rifle" and the awful laser musket" and the VATS not pausing time
And there's less weapons than there were in New Vegas)
"Millions... perhaps even billions, died because science outpaced man's restraints."
*Brotherhood develops giant robot that throws nuclear bombs*
wahahaha...exactly this where my thoughts too
he probably know that...it's just that they repair and actually USE an KI-weapon system similar to the ones the synths are, that even use NUKES...i mean...didn't they learn anything of what happend ?
@@Blei1986 it was for a good reason to destroy the institute and stop another war and we are not using prime for any reason any more AD VICTURIEM
That's the irony of the Brotherhood. It's intentional. They hate technology but use it.
They dont hate tech rather they think they are the most qualified to use it
And at the end of this tense exchange of dialogue... Maxon whips around and begins sprinting away like a boy whose mom just shouted "Cookies are ready!"
Classic Fallout
Haha yeah immersion ruined in the final second.
@@phattjohnson Immersion enhanced, imo Fallout is Fallout like Interplay intended lol
@@oujimandias6485no
reminds me of how Lanius retreats at 200 mph when you beat him with speech. funniest shit
@@ettertarten not just the speech check. If you lower his health to half he literally runs away like a looney toons character while chucking grenades at you
*Let's Danse live against Maxson's orders*
He'll never know.....
*Walks outside*
"HOW DARE YOU BETRAY THE BROTHERHOOD!"
FUCK!
+Matthew Carlile the problem is that, for someone who has played the Witcher 3, these characters look bland and scripted bots in comparison, just reacting to linear quest design. Not referring to this case in particular, but the Fallout 4 game is riddled with storytelling and character development problems.
+Cian Byrne its not only because of the Witcher 3 comparisons though. There are some blatant problems with Bethesda's writing and quest design, that have only gotten worse with each game. This is not a consequence of the sandbox open world though, because Obsidian excelled in quest design for New Vegas, they were light years ahead of anything todd howard team has created yet, unfortunately. They need to rethink their approach... Thats my two cents about this issue.
couldnt agree more the story about the survivalist in the honest hearts dlc is so good hopefully because of the mixed fan reaction to fallout 4 bethesda will let obsidian make another fallot
+PTyscho As odd as it seems it's hard to compare Bethesda's fallout games to FO:NV, they're completely different in the way they were designed. New Vegas had an amazing story, and it felt like your actions were actually going to change the Mojave. NV was also god awful for exploration on a second or third playthrough. Almost every location was quest related, and those that weren't felt very empty.
Fallout 3 and 4 are on the opposite side of things. The story is more than a little lacking, but there are hundreds of hours worth of exploration.
If you ask me Bethesda has done a lot of good with FO4. They made using guns outside of vats not only viable but fun, this is there most successful title to date (which means more fans to fall in love with the series and maybe even play the first two), voice acting is MUCH better than before, ect. They've also ignored old issues and make some new ones.
Thee main thing is Fallout is still alive and doing better than ever. None of the issues Bethesda has can't be fixed, be learned from. It also seems like they've finally found their style and are beginning to perfect it, it wouldn't suprise me if in the next Bethesda game they tackle problems like story telling and player choice (like they've done with many things this time around).
+PTyscho As odd as it seems it's hard to compare Bethesda's fallout games to FO:NV, they're completely different in the way they were designed. New Vegas had an amazing story, and it felt like your actions were actually going to change the Mojave. NV was also god awful for exploration on a second or third playthrough. Almost every location was quest related, and those that weren't felt very empty.
Fallout 3 and 4 are on the opposite side of things. The story is more than a little lacking, but there are hundreds of hours worth of exploration.
If you ask me Bethesda has done a lot of good with FO4. They made using guns outside of vats not only viable but fun, this is there most successful title to date (which means more fans to fall in love with the series and maybe even play the first two), voice acting is MUCH better than before, ect. They've also ignored old issues and make some new ones.
Thee main thing is Fallout is still alive and doing better than ever. None of the issues Bethesda has can't be fixed, be learned from. It also seems like they've finally found their style and are beginning to perfect it, it wouldn't suprise me if in the next Bethesda game they tackle problems like story telling and player choice (like they've done with many things this time around).
for me this cutscene it was in the middle of a storm making it way more dramatic
+Shadow phoenix In my case it was a radiation storm. Only way to make it more dramatic was if it was raining.
27Nichy agreed
Shadow phoenix
And if one of the sadder songs were playing.
27Nichy yeah
A Deathclaw showed up and ended up killing Danse... I guess the Deathclaw is due for a promotion
Why couldn't Bethesda do more of this? This writing was great.
Probably because Emil Pagarulio didn't make or write this quest 🤣🤣🤣
@CocoaXtv_ cry about it
@Bonniebell Roberts Zoomer who's trash at older fallouts lmao
Most of Bethesda's dlc's and side quests are better written than the actual main quest lines.
Morrowinds main quest line was pretty good but Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3 and 4 are just okay.
The best part of writing in each game came from a dlc Oblivion (Shivering Isles), Fallout 3 (The Pitt), Skyrim (Dawnguard), Fallout 4 (Far Harbor).
@@NobleBoss FAR HARBOR?????
I love that Maxson refers to Danse as "Him", after calling him a thing, it shows that he actually still cared about him, but was torn by duty
When Danse said actually said "Don't you understand? I thought I was human, Arthur." I felt major feels. It really shows the personal relationship between Maxson and Danse before all hell broke loose.
Wiebe de Groot ikr so true.. this was the best scene of the game
You know what I'd like to ask, Maxson? What would he have done if it was his name on the synth list? While the Institute needs to crumble due to their sick practices, especially kidnapping and murdering people, their creations shouldn't have to suffer the punishment for the sins of their maker.
MetroidJunkie There’s too much hanging onto Maxson. His death would spell the end of the BoS. Assuming they haven’t already frozen sperm samples lmaooo.
WolfgangLMclain yes it's hella gay.
Wiebe de Groot I think that's why it really made Maxson bitter about it. And if he didn't order the death of Sense(although I think it shitty too and disagree) he would be a hypocrite.
"i refuse because your orders are ridiculous"
"How dare you!?" - I laughed so hard...
I forget if you choose seriously
That's what Roger Maxon did!
This is the peak of Bethesda’s writing in Fallout. Most of its okay but this is genuinely great. If only the rest of it was this emotionally driven and well performed
Far Harbor
bethesda can do phenomenal writing (Nick valentine himself, Far Habor) but they just seem to be lazy
Yeah, this one and far harbor is the only good thing that came out from this abomination
@@sickandafraidThe one thing Bethesda aren't is lazy. If they were lazy they wouldn't make games like this. With all the interactivity and physics? There's a reason no one else makes games quite like them.
That's not to say they always do top quality work. Even as someone who really liked Starfield, it's clear they tried to spread themselves too thin their. I can't blame them, they were trying to convey the enormity of space, but lost some of their classic elements in the process. But, laziness was not to blame 😅
Fallout 4 has the best gameplay
“Yeah but that’s the only thing, the rest of it is trash”
Fallout 4 has the best weapons and crafting
“Yeah but that’s the only thing, the rest of it is trash”
Fallout 4 has the best power armour
“Yeah but that’s the only thing, the rest of it is trash”
Fallout 4 has the best faction questlines
“Yeah but that’s the only thing, the rest of it is trash”
Fallout 4 has the best map and exploration
“Yeah but that’s the only thing, the rest of it is trash”
You people are delusional. It’s a 8/10 and the easily the best Fallout so far, get over it.
Love that he delivers an epic and stoic speech but then when he’s done talking he awkwardly starts running like an infant who is excited because they’ve heard an ice cream van jingle.
He is excited to take down the institute
That was unexpected, when i saw Maxson standing outside i was like "Oh fuck"
Moonteddy same, I thought to my self, maxson don't you have something better to do like stand in the front of your giant balloon?
@@jellabellabellscat3710 especially since the railroad and the institute wants him dead, the railroad could've easily assassinated him and/or the institute could've sent a single courser
He really should've had half a dozen knights as protection instead of being there alone
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer he’s that determined and powerful he’s simply making sure that abomination has been destroyed and is not a threat he just doing his job to protect the commonwealth from the synths
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer Bruh Maxson storms into the Institute with nothing but his pimp coat and a gatling laser, I'm pretty sure he'll be okay taking a stroll through the wasteleand.
@@Moplonn at that point the brotherhood's enemies are mostly wiped out (ferral ghouls and super mutants are the only remaining)
It's so sad when Danse says "thanks for believing in me:)" and elder Maxson shuts his ass down.
I would kick maxons ass for his badass coat
+Cancer? Yes.
that's why his coat is in my wardrobe, for those special occasions with Curie ;)
you talking to my wife you want to go bro?
Rinnegan Ice Danse is the hottest Waifu but Hancock is the sweetest lol XD
Maxson does have a point here... if Danse's perception can be created and altered so much without his knowledge, what else could he be manipulated into doing...?
exactly!
But Danse also has a point, since he's been loyal to the Brotherhood, he has no point to betray the people he cares so much about.
@@IamaPERSON true, but who's to say the institute doesn't have some sort of code thingy that they could say to him, and he would just snap.
@@theprofessor3684 but that's only before you destroy it, do you have to worry about it.
@@IamaPERSON true, but we cant afford to take any chances, if people know that we Let a synth go free, then it would start a revolution
Maxson: “Flesh is flesh, Machine is machine!”
Danse: “Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.”
Danse is Sovereign? DANSE IS A REAPER?! FUCKING AWESOME!
@@DeathGodRiku
Yes! Peter Jessop is the voice actor. When I found out I shat myself.
You know the didact from halo 4? That was also harbinger. Shit blows my mind.
@aWraithsSoul
I know. When I first found out that it was him, my mind was blown! The voice actor is called Peter Jessop. He’s fucking great!
@@DeathGodRiku does that mean the player character was indoctrinated?
@@MR.ICE. Danse, Sovereign, and the Ur-Didact are one and the same? That can only mean one thing: folks, we got another gravemind on our hands...and he's a big one. Welp, it's been nice knowing ya...
buzz lightyear versus mark Jefferson.
+Quantras OH
+Quantras Peter jessop
Lol that profile picture
Is danse really voiced by the guy who voiced buzz lightyear?
+Andrew Ryan no, not actually. but with the power armour, the hood and how his voice sounds like a mix of buzz's actor Tim Allen and George clonney, everyone compares him to lightyear.
My question his how long Maxon stood freezing his ass off just to call you out.
Lol, your still on the dialogue choice to kill or spare danse for three in game days. You choose to spare him, you walk outside, and maxon is dead, he fuckin starves to death. And danse is all like "Well, shit"
It would take longer than 3 days to starve to death
@@kylebaraloto3178 starve? Yes. But dehydration is much worse.
*Maxson
with a coat that badass, he'd be pretty warm
I love that Maxson does stick to his principles in this yet shows mercy at the same time. Maxson is great and so is Danse.
one of maxons speech is legit hitlers, which I never realised till I played the outcast and rements mod
@@maccat38 Huh? What's with people comparing the brotherhood to actual Nazis?
@@Based_Gigachad_001 taking a legit quote of Hitler is one example
@@maccat38 imma need an actual source.
@@Based_Gigachad_001 czcams.com/users/clipUgkxB_BzKfMPbQjaHknXQQFQMHorNAK8qRyf?si=21NTdnq3imhl8Jrz
4:30 Ironic, Danse says a similar thing to X6 when you swap companions.
"Don't mistake my tolerance for friendship, synth."
It's especially interesting how Maxson didn't refer to Danse as "Synth"
It proves that this hurts him just as much as it must hurt Danse.
4:45 Maxon remembered he left synth porn on his computer
SMBXdude lmaoooo
4:44
The time stamp is how many likes u have 😯
*OH FUCK I GOTTA GO*
this comment is so old but its gold
Really love Maxons voice. It's not as epic sounding as Danses but the actor really went all out to make him sound truly passionate about what he was saying. Theres a couple of speech checks earlier in the story and if you fail Maxon goes off on you and it kind of makes you want to say "yes sir" to him :P. Kind of interesting to see him as a sweet little kid in fallout 3 and all of the sudden see him as a grizzled war veteran. He's kind of cold and maybe a little delusional but when he speaks you listen.
I agree with literately everything maxson believes in.
Pixel_Spy Then you find out he is the VA of that creepy perverted professor in Life Is Strange
kellog's voice acting and dialogue were pretty awesome too
Perhaps his experiences during the 10 year time skip made him bitter, cynical and grizzled along with experiencing to what happened to Elder Lyons, Sentinel Lyons and the Lone Wanderer.
+Philip Kindred Good for you. Round of applause, everybody.
I like how Arthur slipped up.
"...yet you insist he remains alive."
I bet its just as hard on Maxson as it is for the SS. He's just using anger and hatred to cover it up.
My dumb ass thought you meant SS as in Schutzstaffel lmao
@@Baba-yv6ml LMFAO I didnt see the full reply and thought you were gonna say "social security"
@@Baba-yv6ml in German it means protection squad if only BOS power armor was pure black given thier attitude u could pretend the are SS
@@jackcraven7979 yeah
I honestly kinda felt that the brotherood in this game were an allegory for fascism I wouldn't be surprised by a mod that made brotherhood power armour look like the wolfenstein SS armour
@@PixelAtionGuitar they kinda are fascist. they're techno religious, militaristic, they want too cleanse the world of synths, ghouls and super mutants (friendly ones) and don't care about the people if the commonwealth
The way he just darts away at the end always kills me
not only is the voice acting phenomenal, so are the animations imo. i love how the gestures they make fit perfectly with what they're saying. not something you see a lot in fallout games - i think the only other instance of this happening i remember is during maxson's speech.
It was a touching scene
Julia Castro I agree, even if the animations looked a little stiff, it still fit.
Julia Castro I absolutely agree, this scene alone will always be memorable by a lot of people and yes the gestures fit perfectly with their dialogue.. Absolutely fantastic scene, this is one of the few scenes where I actually feel like I'm the character I'm playing as
Yea fr
The conversation animations in this game are exquisite. Most games that are dialogue heavy just get lazy. Even Mass Effect, a game who's biggest or at least second biggest claim to fame was its dialogue, still seemed to use the same 3 conversational animations over and over again.
Id love to see maxons reaction on himself being a synth
+official pay back
he's not a synth.
pepper Mill I know. I would just love to see his reaction
+official pay back it would basicaly be the same as danse
+official pay back He is so crazy he'd probably flung himself of the Prydwen and paint Boston Airport.
MrZeromaster95 Hahaha true
"THINK DANSE, THINK"
Is all I could think while listening to this.
Machine is machine! Flesh is flesh! The two were never meant to intertwine! Think, Danse!
Damn Maxsons voice actor is great
Maxson: We still have the Institute to deal with.
*Start running*
Me: (._.) (lol)
I have to go now, my planet needs me.
So keen for blood
his sweet rolls burning
Not gonna lie, this is like the best part of the whole game in my opinion, its a well voice acted arguement and it really pulled my strings, because I played a devout brotherhood member first playthrough. When I found out what was really happening I cared about Danse as a character so it was tough. Definately fun though.
Rikudou Okami May I throw my opinion in here too? :3 Yea, I liked this scene alot, damn it had movie quality. It was like they knew each other like brothers. But I gotta my favorite one is (not saying that the maxon vs Danse is bad) definetely the Personal story of Cait. I dunno, It's just about helping someone, who's more than just a friend (and not helping a settlemet, if you catch my drift). It made me feel so good, like I just accomplished something that really matters. It also reminded me of that one girl I knew, but that's a Story for another time...
It's even harder when you love the brotherhood and don't want to disappoint them but at the same time you love danse too
I killed him at thr police station since id been in some fights with brotherhood before....
Even the name of the mission is cool
I was so... distraught when I couldn't convince Danse to let me spare him, and I had forgotten to save ahead of time. And then, when I did kill him with his own weapon he gave me, his last words nearly broke my heart... "Ad victoriam... Brother."
I like how it gradually transitions in this video from midnight to morning, showing Danse and the Sole Survivor's difficult attempt to convince Maxson to let Danse live, and they succeeded.
This is some damn good voice acting, and the body animations tied with the dialog is great. If Bethesda could just invest in some better facial animations this could be the highlight moment of the game for me.
Honestly, Maxson is definitely the best voice actor in the game.
Next to Kellogs.
Kaiser Krysalis and dogmeat
For me piper had the best voice actor.
and the sarcastic quotes
Cito, Assultrons and Supermutants, given what thier character's are tell me that thier voices are not perfect.
Something interesting I noticed, is even Maxson starts talking to Danse as if he's a person.
Yes, because he is clever and principled.
Fun fact: in the Fallout universe, the transistor-the single piece of technology that could've averted the Great war-was actually discovered, but in 2076, far too late.
The Great War happened because all the horribly inefficient tech of the universe gobbled up all the Earth's resources way too quickly.
*fast travels to prydwen with danse after blind betrayal*
everyone on board: what in the goddamn-
Afyer he gets his X-0 I snuck Danse into the airport and dismssed him to it and sat back with a bowl of popcorn as he tore the BoS apart.
When I did this I had a deathclaw attack just as maxson finished up and he slaughtered it nearly instantly, he is an absolute boss
Dude had to vent out his murder frustrations, and the deathclaw was the closest thing that happen to cross his path.
Legend says Maxon got that scar from going head to head with a deathclaw so I wouldn’t be surprised if he absolutely wrecked one at his current age
@@Bunkerwulf44 it happened when he was 14 or something like that
Dude same
I’d like to imagine the deathclaw was just minding its own business when elder Maxson rolls up on his ass coked up on brotherhood propaganda and pure unfiltered rage with a thirst for blood
This is awesome voice acting. Holy crap. And among with the excellent animation of Fallout 4 it makes this whole scene one of my favorite in the entire game.
*along not among.
Maxson's VA turns himself inside out
Sole Survivor's phones it in
It was the only scene that didn't reuse animations for and actually made new ones for it. Bethesda can make great things when they actually put effort into stuff.
Lord Spoon im sorry but that is simply not true, having them flaying their arms around is no exelent animating nor is that pre lip synched face animation !
I was wondering about that when watching it. Maxson's hand movements seemed unique
This story is a shining example of why great writing can make a decision become morally difficult. On one hand, you have Danse, who introduced you to the Brotherhood from the moment you went to the Cambridge Police Station, and from then on has been with you through thick and thin. On the other hand, you have Maxson, who speaks some hard truths about how Danse is a machine made by their greatest enemy, and can very easily be re-programmed to fight for the Institute.
Personally, I think Maxson's arguments are mostly driven by fanaticism. It's incredibly easy to side with Danse imho.
@@CheekiTiki it's fanaticism from our perspective, but if we're viewing him as a character within the fallout universe, he's being pragmatic. fallout 4's mainstory narrative didn't properly convey how serious of a threat the synths/institute were for the people living in the commonwealth; the majority of the quests made synths sympathetic figures.
I don’t understand how people ever side with synths..
The BoS is right. They do just need to purge the land of ghouls, mutants and synths.
Ghouls will become feral and kill anyone.
Mutants, they’re not so bad. Original normal mutants had brains and could talk. Bethesda nonsense are just orcs that need putting down.
Synths are machines. They’re robots who can be controlled and be very dangerous. They need to be shut down too. Danse isn’t a human. He doesn’t have emotions. Destroy him.
Yes I know I’m saying him etc, I felt if I wrote it you’d think I was trolling. But genuinely, codsworth, Danse, they’re just robots. They don’t actually have a ‘soul’. I love Nick, but synths are dangerous.
@@orcbumTo me, Synths have a neutral potential to have as many faults as humans, like being evil. You’re right, though. The game does fall flat on that lesson by making them only sympathetic unless they’re Institute infiltrators. You got Synth Raider Gabriel, but the game won’t call out the Railroad for recklessly believing synths are only victims in need, allowing him to stay in power as long as he did. You got DiMA’s secret in Far Harbor, but the game makes you feel really bad about it if you make him own up to it, on top of the storyline about him and Nick reconciling.
*"THINK DANCE THINK YOU ARE FIGHTING JUST TO SEE EVERYONE YOU LOVE TURN ON YOU"*
*Think Danse, think!"*
One of many fantastic moments in a truly fantastic game.
Wildfire Gaming I wouldn't say fantastic, just good.
Dankus Memus Probably an Obsidian fanboy. I'd put the Danse twist over anything in New Vegas.
+Wildfire Gaming In my opinion, New Vegas makes 4 look like super mario
Nightmare Fuel Considering the far-reaching appeal of Mario compared to the niche-audience excitement produced by New Vegas, I'd say that's a pretty valid comparison.
Wildfire Gaming I mean gameplay-wise
To think the real Danse probably died in a battle and had been replaced by a synth...a true revelation. Danse as a synth and encounter Maxson is the best storytelling in this game by far.
I like to think that danse was always a synth maybe was helped by the railroad
@@annoying_HK_guy Not even remotely likely, I can't even fathom why you would think that except that it makes you feel better.
@@annoying_HK_guy Not possible. There are records of Danse since he was a child. Synths don't grow.
I believe he died in the lost patrol.
@@inktheone5933
No that was quite a while before he came to the Commonwealth and they would have records of him coming back. He also talks about the lost patrol like he didn't know them at all when he mentions them in the Arc Jet dialogue and when he gives you the quest.
The way he runs away at the end is freaking gold. Maxon had a big tempered tantrum running away like that
I love hearing Maxson talk. He’s so intense and this is one of my favorite cutscenes.
He's just standing there, calling us traitors.
+Coolclev erstone It's Star Wars all over again...
İf I play with low charisma, I would kill maxson not danse
I wanted to kill the bastard for it and for his coat. After all danse did for the brotherhood maxson still wants to kill him, in my eyes he is the only robot
+THEone RECKER Amen
Yeah true, but I thought it was interesting that you the player have become such an essential piece to the brotherhood that the Elder himself allowed your deviance
Bruh this scene was powerful
So is my coat, yet it doesn't get any videos.
@@harveyredmayne1247what?
Danse: *literally pouring his synthetic heart out, being the most human a human can possibly be after years of being loyal to the brotherhood*
Arthur: "nOoOoO sHuT uP yOu A rObOt AnD i HaTe YoU fOr iT"
Danse is too dangerous, he is a good guy, a good soldier, and likely a good friend to Maxon. But he is a robot, that one day could turn on this brothers and sisters in the brotherhood because a single line of code gets activated.
All his dedication, all his values, can be circumvented by programming at any given time.
To make things worse, the real Paladin Danse was killed and replaced, he was one of Maxons’ best soldiers. And he was replaced by a robot that thought he was Danse… Paladin Danses’ body was likely desecrated by the institute so the BoS would never find it.
Imagine that one of your friends was brutally killed, their body vaporized, then The people who killed them secretly replaced them with a robot who thought they were your friend. You can feel bad for the robot all you want but ultimately it would be insane to trust in the robot.
@@kinglyknight he was always a synth. He was never replaced. He came up on a list of missing synths. He joined the Brotherhood of his own free will. And if the Institute still had control of missing synths, why didn't they just recall him or any other missing one at any time? If they had the ability to do that, there wouldn't be the need for coursers or the SRB.
@@ThesmartestTem I’ve looked into this a lot more since writing my original comment. I will concede that they left it very vague and he is likely a railroad synth with altered memories.
However I believe that Danse was a synth that was replaced by the institute with artificial memories based off the real Paladin Danses’ memories and placed back into the brotherhood.
He is at the perfect level for infiltration, the institute would love having a synth that close to the leader of the brotherhood.
People often forget the institute is constantly replacing dozens of people with synths, kidnapping them, stealing their memories and replacing them despite many of them holding little to no influence. These synths don’t even realize they are synths or that their memories are someone else’s.
In terms of the “missing” part of Paladin Danses’ file, it is the strongest evidence that he is a railroad synth, however we don’t know the actual reason he is classified as “missing” and missing doesn’t imply any infiltration protocols aren’t working.
Also I will note that synths don’t age so that muddies the water pretty bad for Danse being a kid and joining the brotherhood of steel, rising to the rank of Paladin without anyone noticing.
@Kingly knight. This is 2 months late but I would like too offer a counterpoint. The infiltrators we see in game know they are infiltrators. Danse not knowing he was a synth fits more with the Railroads MO. Offer the synth new memories. So they can hide from the Institute. Plus X6-88 didn’t even know Danse was a synth. If he was an infiltrator wouldn’t X6-88 know?
@@sabergreen2010 sorry didn't see this due to the @ you used not working, the thing that debunks this is the fact that there are dozens of synths that don't know that they are synths despite being placed there by the institute, and because of the level of technology none of the synths can identify one another without visual evidence.
1:53 there should have been a piece of music in the album just for this moment just a deep bellow of a piano possibly showing that deep down Arthur knew Danse was a true member of the brotherhood of steel
The fact that you can convince Arthur to allow Danse to live shows that's he's not as big an ass as everyone always label him as.
Fun Fact
Maxson himself is actually a reference to King Arthur the ship too.
Arthur was nowhere near perfect but kept the loyalty of his troops through sheer determination and purity of spirit. But most importantly he was able to see when he was wrong and always valued loyalty and honor in the highest degree.
Showing your loyalty to Dance right in front of him and just how far your willing to go to stand by a friend's side. Maxson can't help but respect that and so he allows you both to live but continues to show a firm hand for the sake of the other men.
My own theory is Maxson was more mad that at himself for a allowing a machine to replace one of his best men and he didn't notice it. Danse at one point was a human there are at least 4 characters in the game you interact with that have a history with him before they arrived in the commonwealth. When Dance was replaced anyone could guess.
But I like to think Maxson was more upset with himself for not being able to tell the difference between his best man, a close friend no less and a machine.
Remember Roger Maxson?
He was angry that all the experiments that would later create the super mutants were being preformed on his commands right under his nose and dedicated a good part of his life to trying to clean up that mess.
In actuality Arthur resembles his ancestor more than anyone else in his bloodline.
Think on those facts for awhile. Maxson is only human just like any of us, how would you feel if a close friend was replaced right under your nose and you didn't notice until it was too late. Put aside all the anti-Maxson and Brotherhood BS for one second and really think on that one fact that Maxson..... Arthur isn't just an Elder. He's a human being with thoughts and emotions of his own.
With that said, Advictorium brothers and sisters.
David Stoddart I'm a brotherhood boy but you must admit,he pushes his personal ideals too far, he's just too close minded when it comes to synths. I'm aware that this scene may seem like the latter but you must remember, that was one of Maxon's best and brightest soldiers, there are emotional attachments there that must be taken into account. Maxon didn't spare a synth, he spared a soldier.
If anyone is going the change the Brotherhood for the better its Maxon.
He appears close minded because he can't afford to show any weakness to his men or let any word get out of it.
The Brotherhood will not change over night he needs to ease them into a new way of life.
That's how King Arthur of whom Maxson is a reference to did it. For awhile Arthur accepted the way of life for a king that his father left. But Arthur made subtle changes through out his life to the lands and before you knew it witch burning were outlawed, the Catholic church was kicked out, magic and sorcery were no longer a priority in tracking down, alchemists were no longer seen as witches.
From the tidbits we've seen in the game we know Danse wasn't replaced until he arrived in Boston so Maxson had to deal with the loss of one of his best men he's only human after all.
But this scene is much like the story with Arthur and Lancelot.
Even though Lancelot betrayed his king and begged for punishment, Arthur forgave him instead and Lancelot left on his own as he felt he wasn't worthy of such kindness.
When it comes to the legends of King Arthur they are a favorite of mine and I enjoy any reference to them. Bethesda has already hinted at the possibility of having a civil war between east and west coast brotherhood in the next Fallout.
If that's the case I hope enough time passes between this one and the next one to change Arthur's chapter of the brotherhood and come the civil war I will support him.
Even in my head canon to Fallout 4's ending my character stayed with the Brotherhood to help Arthur Maxson change for the better.
If you look and listen closely the changes are already happening.
Brotherhood members talk about how its good to see life return to the commonwealth where as before they couldn't care less what happens to the wastelanders.
They openly recruit those who are willing to join where as it use to be you had to be born into the brotherhood.
Providing protection of settlements just for food and supplies, not like their asking for a million caps.
Preservation of technology is now prioritized over hording it.
Not all may see it but The Brotherhood is changing and I hope it keeps going.
The Brotherhood is the best thing for the Commonwealth yes, but I don't know if Maxon can overcome his hatred of the synth he just seems too devoted to that cause, the only one he should drop.
But if our convincing him to spare Danse is one of the choices that carries over into the next game's story then there is a chance. One simple action has the power to set off a domino effect
Fukin synth
West coast BOS is better than u
you know they are the same right? im pretty sure they would make the same decision when it comes to the institute
Screw you, Maxson.
Please, don't take my Power Armor.
Preston Garvey
No, Garvey. Please, no.
No, Garvey.
I see Maxson and I see a man I can die for because you can feel his scars from his voice, his ideology is formed from the suffering he has endured. He fights for what he thinks is right and fights for a better world.
Yes cartoon person, yes.
"Man and machine were not meant to intertwine"
Star Paladin Cross: Am I a fucking joke to you?
What does she have to do with this?
@@DeathGodRiku she's a cyborg
Well she was a human first not lab made.
That was very self contradicting. Cyborgs exist, a mix of man and machine
True, but that was with Lyons' brotherhood chapter. And when Maxson became elder, he reformed the Brotherhood to their original beliefs. Anything non fully human, is an enemy.
Damn i wish i chose this type of ending for Danse, Bathesda didn't make dialogues very clear and so i missed it. I like Maxson a lot, but he crossed the line here.
but he didn't cross the line the whole mission the only reason they are in the common wealth is for the eradication of the synths and the institute. at this moment he just betrayed everything he believed in by sparring danse. I do think this is where he crossed the line. but not in your sense.
colby kraus I know that but here comes the irony and makes us feel like Hitler who sparred his Jewish doctor calling him a "noble soul" something like that. There should be exceptions in everything.
Also you remind myself of a friend of mine !
+Johan Dale I actually see the point you make and it makes a lot of sence to me hearing it like that. I just rationalize it as yes those robots have the "possibility" to destroy humanity. short sighted I know. them being mass produced and made is what I see as the threat they can easily out number mankind and on a whim destroy us. it's okay for them to exist in my opinion but not to mass produce them selfs. I sound just like Hitler I know but they are not humans as much as they would like to be.
colby kraus Yes, i realised that while playing.
Then you don't see the entire point of the brotherhood of steel, their entire cause is dedicated to the containment and prevention of more technology based disasters like the great war , as of FO4 it is extremely difficult to identify/counter/combat generation 3 synths much like how it was literally impossible to counter or contain a nuke once it was deployed, these idiots in the comments bring up liberty prime and power armor but those things can be controlled and be destroyed if needed.
What makes it even more impressive is every voice actor is this game (And so others Bethesda's title) They all did voice acting individually, no group session at all.
According to Gametrailer interview with Brian T. Delaney, voice over of male protagonist.
Fallout 4 Voice acting was way better than Skyrim. Skyrim just lacked personality with its characters, I failed to get emotionally attached whereas I felt the companions in Fallout 4 was very much full of jazz.
skyrim also had like 6 voice actors for the entire game, which makes the lack of personality.
Duncan Murphy agreed, but if I’m being completely honest, I still would’ve sacrificed that for a better dialogue system than the half assed one we have in fo4
I love that, despite how much Elder Maxson despises what Paladin Danse is, he shows him respect by not interrupting him when he speaks. The passion from both parties is always moving, and it really backs the player into a hard spot. This was a gem. Both parties are not wrong, but a decision must be made. Love it.
I think Fallout 4 is very underrated. Dialogue like this is phenomenal, but it's only every once in a while. If they could nail this level of writing more frequently, and throw back in a little bit of that obsidian thematic charm, we'd have us a perfect fallout game.
after all that lenghty dialogue, maxson needed to go sanic fast!
This is some epic voice acting holy fuck! XD
Gratz on 99 str
In this game, Mason and Brotherhood as the whole gave me some serious Enclave-y vibes. Instead of guardians and shepherds they became hoarders and conquerors. They have arrived to the Commonwealth as an invading army, riding "manifest destiny" as a steed and quick to eliminate anything or anyone they do not understand. They gave me vibes of a "Steel Plague" ending from FO1. And what hit me hardest is that they arrived to this lowes
Not really, the Enclave are still completely far worse. Maxson and the Brotherhood never really unleashed whimsical killing of humans they are supposed to protect because they weren't pure and were infected with radiation. Although extreme on almost all cases, they still only focus on annihilating super mutants, synths, ghouls and every abomination on the Wasteland.
@@memecliparchives2254 Oh, no competition here, Enclave takes the cake
Honestly, feels like how the Brotherhood originally was. Only the Lyon's Branch of the Brotherhood cared about being "guardians and shepherds" while the real OG Brotherhood was hoarders who wanted to keep technology out of the hands of those they deemed idiotic and problematic. The Enclave are pretty much the nazis of this universe
I honestly liked it. The traits of the BoS are isolationism, idealism and militarism - for a noble reasonable cause.
But over time "securing" or "hoarding" the high tech' of the wasteland would start to corrupt the fraction from within or at very least lead to dogmatic conflicts. This kind of writing has potential for the future and more grey shades of morale the player has to face when making his decisions.
Honestly though, if the world were to go to shit, especially to the degree that we see in the Fallout games, the only way to properly and effectively restore order would be through an overwhelming show of military force. The wasteland isn’t a good place, there’s raiders and bandits, killer robots, and mutated creatures everywhere. The only good people you see are usually restricted to settlements and towns. They live hunkered down and cower in fear behind walls like in Diamond City. The Brotherhood is honestly the best thing for the Commonwealth. Everything they’re against and want to kill, is understandable. Synths are machines that can be reprogrammed and are ultimately untrustworthy, plus it should be obvious that any form of sentient artificial intelligence is dangerous. Super Mutants despise humanity and believe themselves to be the superior race, they want to exterminate all humans. They eat people, enough said. And the Ghouls, while some of them are more or less normal people, eventually they will all turn feral like the rest regardless. So killing them is an unfortunate but still necessary mercy. The other factions can’t get the job done. The Railroad is far too concerned with the liberation of synths, so concerned that they are willing to sacrifice human lives to preserve synthetic ones. The Institute has the necessary technology to do some real good and bring major improvements to life above ground, but they don’t. They have plainly stated that they plan to remain underground and ignore the surface world. Then they kidnap people and replace them with synths to gather intelligence and resources. And finally the Minutemen sound good on paper, and are probably the most morally stable faction there is, their goals are noble. But their focus and execution is wrong. The Minutemen aren’t here to solve the problems of life in the wasteland, they’re basically here to help people deal with the problems of life in the wasteland. They’re not a solution to the overall problem, they’re just a temporary remedy, and not a viable choice in the long run.
"Flesh is flesh, machine is machine, those two were never meant to intertwine"
Says the leader of an army that uses power as well as having one soldier using said power armor as prosthetics for her blown off legs
The is a big difference that people born off blood and flesh who have robotic elements are use power armour are still human and can't be reprogramd to kill are spy on you robots can all it would take is on Human looking robot with a bome in side off them too take out the brother hood soo actually
4:44 Oh shit I forgot to close my facebook!
maxons voice is so epic
*Maxson
“Don’t you understand, I thought I was human Arthur.” I love this part of the game
This is one of the few longer scenes that really takes my attention for the entire duration. I just wish they were all this good.
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Yoyo TR-8R
Matón: Don't speak to the brotherhood again. Or you will be fired upon.
Danse: DonT sPeaK tO thE BrotHeRhOOd AgaIn. oR U WiLl bE fIrEd uPoN. ( proceeds to speak directly to the grand master and to a brotherhood knight.
Him sounding a lot like buzz light year makes this unironicaly believable
Maxson: "YOU. ARE. A. TOOOYYYYYY."
hell of a job from the voice actor, by far the best one.Some others have their moments but he takes this job to another level
BoS strategy in a nuttshell:
1- wait for someone who actually does something
2-tell him what to do and wait
3-reclaim all the glory as your own
Hehehe
T Jex. So true. When I hear them say "we may have liberated the commonwealth..." I'm like "No, actually I liberated the commonwealth" lol.
minuteman: general does all the jobs.
Actually if you side with the insitute the brotherhood finishes liberty prime but they lacked the agitator thing to power it
@@congsun9641 thats just a gameplay mechanic
The coat reminds me with the one Bane was wearing in the dark knight rises
12-year old Maxson: I just wanted to see if the big robot would be my friend…
Adult Maxson: Machine man bad…..
I never got to this quest...unfortunately,the moment I saw Maxson’s speech I was so in awe by that ballin’ coat I “accidentally” pulled the trigger...and looted him...
Yeah...that coat is too cool to be in the hands of an NPC
This is why Danse is my fav companion, none of the other companions have this good of a story quest or this good of a scene
absolutely love this scene! amazing jobs done by the writers and the voice actors!
Man i experience this while it was raining it couldn't get even better of a scene
I thought Dance sounded like Buzz lightyear but he actually sounds like George clooney to me. Is it just me?
Nope, I thought the same exact thing when I heard him.
Does this unit have a soul?
No. Souls are social constructs, create by clergymen in collaboration with landed interests to subjugate the masses. Though I get the reference.
You stop that
Woah that was a massive roundhouse kick to the feels outta nowhere
Keelah...
I love it when both of my favorite game franchises’ fandom come together. 💕
When he was like kill Danse. I was like bitch please i'm on survival mode i'm not killing the strongest humanoid companion in the game.
Jennifer Tate More like bitch please I'm not killing my favorite character and objectively best husbando #abithomo
i really wish that moments like this could have happened all over Fallout 4's main questline, this scene was so good that its one of the few things that i genuinely enjoy about Fallout 4
When i did that quest, i always asked if there was another way, but because i had no option and i gave my soul to the brotherhood, u had to do it as a knight in bos power armor and a kegendary revolutionary sword and it was the first time i had tears on a video game
When I first saw this scene in my playthrough I was like: "DAAAMN Maxson preach!" Almost convinced me to put down Danse lol. I convinced him otherwise but holy shit was this scene epic...
love how 100% Maxson is throughout the entire thing. never breaking character, always dominant like your true superior. then at the end of it all, he loses all that as he runs away like a girl
I love the extra motion captured animations they did for this. Makes it feel more alive and not just an staring contest lol
In all fairness I’m on Maxson’s side here.
No matter what Danse believes or says the institute can just say a few words and turn him against the brotherhood or worse steal all the information he has on them.
Danse would want you to destroy him to protect the Brotherhood.
Letting him live makes the most sense. Danse would never go back to the institute and would still kill synths. But he doesn't have to die after all he's done, and acknowledging he's the exception so that's why he lives doesn't compromise on the brotherhood's ideals. If Danse were to get hostile and not be alright with dying, then that's different.
@@klawschafer7425 it doesn’t matter if he “never would” because it’s not up to him, they control him wether or not he wants them to
@@RoachDoggJr106 Iirc they can't suddenly control him. So if he's been helping destroy the institute for so long, he won't stop now
@@klawschafer7425 all they have to do is shut him down (which is impossible for him to resist) and then take him back to the institute and download all of his knowledge
@@RoachDoggJr106 I don't think he has any info that's a secret as far as we know? He's just a soldier, he doesn't really deal with anything special. And it's no secret they're planning on obliterating the institute, or where the Prydwyn is.
This was one of my favorite parts in this game
Oh sorry I missed it was to busy blowing up the Pwyden.
this is my second favourite part of the game. second only to when the Brotherhood makes their grand entrance
They really put a lot of effort into this one cutscene, more so than most others in Fallout 4. Maxson's gestures, the voice acting, the gravity of the dilemma at hand...
This moment made Fallout 4 the greatest game I have ever played!!
One of the brightspots in FO4. The game was greatly in need of more moments like this
"You're forbidden to speak to anyone from the brotherhood of steel...you will be fired upon immediately" knowing full well your character is best friends with Danse, You just saved his life. Lmao
4:43 when you hear your mom pulling up in the driveway and you haven't cleaned your room
*me playing on my phone*
Elder Maxson: Give it. Its ours now.
*gets my phone taken away from the brotherhood*
Then Preston came and abruptly stopped their intense conversation just to say.
"Guys, our friend here needs to help a settlement nearby, ill mark it on their map."
Just realised what everyone want BOS wants the Stone Age the institute wants loads of tech and the Minutemen want you to help another settlement
+Hellraiser Scar We need to clone Preston Garvey..the universe of FAllout deserves more folks like him
"Heres a settlement of opressed Garveys by gang of attacking raiders, go defend em and they will join us"
Hellraiser Scar Hey, i couldnt miss the moment :D
Seriously tho.. Garvey comments are on every Falllout 4 video >.>
Never made one, so i went with the flow
Hellraiser Scar Every joke has its date of effect and expiration time
But i feel Fallout one may outlive the Skyrim one :|
Hellraiser Scar Well.. if im payed to blow up raiders with Mini-Nukes, ofc ill take the job offer :D
Then again, if my boss resembles Over-Attached Garvey, then i may have second doubts lol
*Leaves Garvey to be eaten alive by thousand spawned Mirelurks*
+Grapefruit The BoS ideology is, that since humanity has proven, that it's incapable of being responsible with technology, the BoS will hold on to that technology util someone shows up who's worthy of wielding it
"Flesh is flesh, machine is machine, the two were never meant to intertwine"
an entry in Quinlan's terminal says otherwise..
Or Star Paladin Cross. Or Proctor Ingram...
Every time I hear Paladin danse's Voice I always expect him to say "YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF THE TRUE POWER A DRAGONBORN CAN WIELD!"
Best dialogue in the base game
best two voice actors in the game, hands down
This one cutscene made this game my favorite.
Never ever felt any feeling like this in any of the other games.
I honestly thought this was going to be a meme at first but damn, this is what we needed more of in Fallout 4