I was so outraged when I saw this. This was NOTHING like the Joker as depicted by Bob Kane in his original comic book appearance. Kane, of course, was a big Marilyn Manson fan and also a connoisseur of gangsta rap and the Joker combined his too loves. This movie even had the audacity to not show the famous Joker cat purr. I thought at the very least they would have shown that.
Well he kind of missed that part when Thomas Wayne got in front of the camera and pretty much said anyone who hasn’t made something of themselves in life is a clown to him and people like him.
Franz Ferdinand was also royalty in Austria-hungary, and Serbia and Austria-Hungary were at each other's throats before the shooting, so Serbia killing Franz just pushed it over the top. I agree with Jay here.
The problem is that his point misses a lot of key details, and I say this as someone who doesn't think was a cinematic masterpiece or something. The cuts to social services, the brief tidbits about sanitation workers on strike, the pre-existing animus towards Thomas Wayne, who's obviously an amalgam of former mayor Ed Koch and Donald Trump, the run down architecture... like, these all form the setting itself and are all obviously meant to convey late 70s/80s New York. The city is a social powder keg in the movie, as it was in real life. It's not implausible at all that the vigilante murder of a repugnant social type would get a sympathetic reaction. For a real life scenario with some surprising parallels, look into the "dogman" murder in Rome in 1988.
Mike: "I really liked this movie. But I did have a few tiny problems. Nothing major though, Loved this movie! What are your thoughts on the movie, Jay?" Jay: "all I have are negative thoughts"
He literally asks his therapist how he was going to get his medicine once the funding was cut, and she just apologizes. I think maybe this deserves a second watch gentlemen.
Juboi that’s what made this less interesting for me. Since the film establishes that it will make it CLEAR when he’s having a delusion (first appearance on Murray’s show, girlfriend flashbacks), it implies that everything else we’re being shown is reality
@@chee1989 That is highly unlikely, the movie made it clear every time he was imagining things. It doesn't fit the pattern of the movie, if it never went out of it's way to show that his was imagining things then sure, could be possible, but not now.
Joker had a point when he said that had it been him, the city would not have cared. It's business as usual if the poor in Gotham die, but not the rich.
Jay keeps referencing Taxi Driver, but never mentions King of Comedy for some reason. Joker was inspired by both, pretty equally. The casting of De Niro was no accident.
And yet it didn't even come close to reaching either in terms of quality. It's an extremely unoriginal, predictable and boring story with a fantastic actor cast in the title role.
@@interdimensionalsteve8172 oh wow mr cinesnob wants super original script that he's going to shit on anyways? Ffs people all we get now is comic hero action movies or shitty origin stories, can you put your fucking cinebuff snobbery away, quit cosplaying Ebert and enjoy a decent non stupid movie that's in cinema? None of you even mentioned how good soundtracks is or the camerawork, all you say is "hur dur i saw taxi driver its a rip off -0.5/10".
@FlymanMS Relax. Not sure why you're getting so worked up over a subjective thing like movie critique. The movie was boring/pointless in an environment where there is a metric ton of good films coming out every year from about a hundred different sources. It's honestly dizzying, then add TV shows, and it's ridiculous. I work a job (hotel night manager) where I get paid to effectively write (dialogue/story for a video game company) and watch movies. I'm actually quite the opposite from what's in your head - it takes a lot for me to say I don't like a movie, and as I've gotten older I've realized I'm waay easier to please while my scope has broadened. I don't care that Joker is similar to taxi driver - that's meaningless - it was just boring and disjointed. Nothing really happened, and then the end was ridiculous. I didn't like The Batman either, you wanna freak out about that? That one was actually really disappointing because I was looking forward to it. Batman (and Punisher) is my favorite comic from back in the day.
people who say the therapy scene was unrealistic because a therapist would never say that have never been to therapy. so many therapists really just do not give a shit, especially in the kind of conditions she was in.
Im sorry that was your experience with a therapist, but a lot people who think that the scene is not realistic could've simply have had different experiences than yours. Other than that, you are absolutely right, I'm finishing Psychology school and you can see early on the ones who will turn out to actually care about their clients.
First the bouncy castle murder, then the crippling diabetes, and now kill the Rich... Yeah, Mike is jealous of the fame that Rich Evans has garnered on talk shows and wants to end his existence.
@@lukess.s I can't believe some people still don't know this. The tweet mike put out was very respectful and sincere. They just want to carry on making stuff and move on.
The lack of attention to the riots was deliberate, because it's not something Arthur is interested in. It's his perspective and you see it developed in his eyes
@@irisdogma8174 But this isn't really DC. It's more a fan film elseworld story, that wouldn't even need to be about Joker, or have the city named Gotham, or its richest family named Wayne. Not saying that you're wrong, just that I think the reason for it is other than just the movie being DC.
@@AnnaMarianne Yeah, but this is exactly how the jokers lackies are usually handled - often just random crazed anarchists unhappy with the status quo. This movie still strikes me as being 'in a comic book world' for all it's adult messaging. Regardless, the riots etc are not the focus of the film, whether that's from DC influence or simply a story decision.
Well, that's fine, but then the script should have had Arthur have more interactions with people and things having to do with the social unrest. These things were within the control of the writer and editor, after all.
Given the current events in America, I feel like Jay should retract his criticism that a huge protest couldn't form within a day let alone a couple of days.
@@spooderlover3512 I mean, let's not forget the myriad of racial killings that preceded this. Like I say, these riots really aren't dissimilar to how Joker played out, they weren't in a bubble or a vacuum, both of these are boiling pots just with different sparks.
Covid19 may have made things move faster. People are stuck at home, out of work, and pissed. George Floyd's death was a match tossed into a lake of oil. So we got a lot of protests faster than usual. Tragedy upon tragedy.
I mean he isn’t wrong. The movie is a checklist of “now this happens oh and did we mention his dog was hit by a car and oh yeah they ran out of his favourite brand of toothpaste at Walmart so he is upset and oh yeah his house burns down oh yeah and then and then”
Yeah, I’m assuming Jay didn’t want to ride the “Joker is a Masterpiece” train alongside everyone else and went in wanting to dislike it. He brings up several reasons as to why he didn’t like the movie, but most didn’t even make sense
Arthur literally shoots a gun in the middle on the night in his house and nobody does anything, I think it is very well established that this Gotham is a shithole bound to end up in chaos and anarchy lol
@@Amrylin1337 I live in NYC, near a project. There was a gunshot years ago, and it was a big issue. People still remember it. Hollywood's interpretation of NYC, and actual NYC are two different things. Most of the violent crime here (and there's a lot) involves knives and other sharp objects.
@@YourEternalSoul666 I'm not speaking to hollywood or an interpretation. A single Gunshot may or may not convince someone to be suspicious. That's called nuance and it has nothing to with living near a project, NYC, in a fiction or in reality.
Parts of NYC were war zones in the 1980s where the cops could not keep up with the number of calls. Check out The Seven Five documentary, there were multiple years when murders topped 2000+
"I was terrified!" -- Scarecrow "Raises a lot of questions." -- Riddler "Purr-fect film." -- Catwoman "Left me feeling cold." -- Mr. Freeze "Wah-wah-wah-wah" -- Penguin
Yeah, the guy was like a cartoon version of Trump making irresponsible comments about poor people. And then he had the chance to apologize but he became even more aggressive in front of the journalists. So yeah, it was a lot of tension between the rich and the poor, joker had no interest in that but his actions brought out the worst from the poor.
Ironically I think the media played into what the movie was critiquing, he has no motive or political agenda, but the media hype him into this figurehead
@@PedroGomes-cx7ku Sometimes meaning gets lost in the context. It was inflammatory statement. There was tension between poor and rich, so much so that that was only thing that mattered. 3 rich persons were murdered, well it is obvious someone poor did it so calling killer a clown all of a sudden means all poor people are clowns. It makes no sense what so ever, but everything is so fucked up and people are completely irrational it this kind of times...
SPOILERS There's hints that his mother wasn't originally crazy, like having her portrait that "T.W." signed for her. Wayne could easily have buried her in fake paperwork to say Arthur wasn't actually his child.
When Arthur reads the letter she wrote for Wayne and learns that Wayne's his father, the mother says she "signed some papers". So when he sees the adoption form and newspaper clippings of him and his mother getting abused in her file, he understands what she meant by "some papers" and gets upset. I thought it was obvious, how could Jay miss all these? It feels like he didn't even watch the movie and just skipped around.
When I think that somehow this was a way to imply that Batman and the Joker are actually brothers in some ethereal way- I just can't handle it. I mean we're at fan faction levels of obsession for these existing properties. I know Heath Ledgers performance was good and the Dark Knight made an implication they're two sides of the same coin... but... come the fuck on people...
I thought it was implied that his mother abused him and she was indeed crazy.. this is why he had this mental issue from the start, she was abusing him and instead of crying he laughed, this is why she says "he was always so happy" or something like that.. I don`t remember exactly at what part they say it but it seemed pretty obvious for me that she was abusive of him
@@mrscruffles801 Lol what uprisings are occurring in West that point towards society failing? What has happened in the last 30 years that is on the level of anything from 1914-1945? Closest thing is the Recession.
Jay had some valid points, but a lot of his gripes WERE adressed in the film. I kinda feel like he went to see the movie with "this dude directed the hangover movies lmao" on the back on his mind the entire time and missed key plot points.
@Mr061099 I think the problem with Jay’s feelings toward this movie is that it requires you to think about what is real and what isn’t, even after the movie is over. Unfortunately, I think jay closed his mind after the movie finished and just took the movie at face value.
@@tomedwards2586 These dudes are total cliches - the slight god complex movie reviewer that secretly thinks they're tastemakers of the gods. Also, they probably gave such shitty reviews because they rushed this out for content.
@@aristideregnier4883 These guys are the original cliches CZcams-wise. Their schtick has always been watching a movie once and doing a casual review together. I think MIke did a pretty good job of praising what it did well.
@@aristideregnier4883 "These dudes are total cliches - the slight god complex movie reviewer that secretly thinks they're tastemakers of the gods. Also, they probably gave such shitty reviews because they rushed this out for content." You don't understand RedLetterMedia at all do you? RLM were the originators of film criticism on CZcams. Ten years ago they practically invented the video essay style of film critique, that EVERYONE ELSE uses now. Also your gripe about "shitty reviews". Did you watch the video? Mike enjoyed this movie quite a bit. He defended this movie through the entire length of the video. I suggest you at least make an attempt to understand who you're bitching about before you type a comment like this. Because I can tell you shut the video off when Jay got critical and have no idea who the hell Mike and Jay are and their history on CZcams. Because if you did, you would never say anything so enormously incorrect.
@@dm6182696 Being the inventor of something does not mean you cannot be wrong. To blindly defend somebody because you believe they created something first, frankly, is plain and simply silly. they made numerous nonsensical critiques, outright mischaracterizations, as well as a handful of simply missing major plot points. frankly, it was rather poorly done. It felt rushed, and done after only a single viewing. A viewing that I can't help but feel they didn't pay much attention in, either. I am of the opinion if you were going to do a movie critique you should at least try to watch the film more than once. Otherwise, as they seem to have done, you are likely to miss key details and factors as well as of miss major points throughout the movie
"we didn't need all those flashbacks" The guy sitting next to me in the theater kept saying "isn't that his girlfriend? What's going on?" I don't think he ever figured it out either, god bless him.
Meanwhile my entire party of 7 people agreed that "Wow, she's so insanely under-written it's like she's not even a real character." Cut to that scene and all our eyes roll back so far in our heads that we fell backwards into the row behind us.
It seemed like such a ridiculous thing that she would be his girlfriend that it almost took me out of the movie, so when it was revealed that he fantasized it I was actually more relieved than shocked.
They gotta dumb it down for the broadest audience. And flashbacks were only what, 10-15 seconds? That's pretty efficient, and nicely done. And most everybody can enjoy it then. "DaVinci Code" (book) was criticized for that I believe...but sold pretty well. I knew somebody wondering about the end of first Blair Witch...of course that hinged on a few seconds about an hour earlier.
15:08 - Yes, people CAN lose touch with reality that quickly if they go off their meds. I like most aspects of this review, but Jay genuinely doesn't how realistic that is. If you're taking an anti-psychotic you do NOT want to go off it cold turkey.
@@crappymcdick You should not need it. As soon as he asks about how he's gonna get his med, you should anticipate big changes. idk it's common sense. It's like chekov's gun
After the psychiatrist tells him that he won't be able to see her anymore, they show him dumping out his pill bottle with only 2 pills left which likely means he never refilled his prescription
Except no he is not trump, not in the least. Trump reaches out to the blue collar working classes of middle america, and does so with down to earth, simplified speech. He is then hated by the coastal elites because of this reason. Completely different dichotomy. " Wayne is rich, Trump is rich, people don't like Wayne and people don't like trump so Wayne must represent trump" view is so simple and narrow minded
@@opmdevil I saw Thomas Wayne far more of a Ronald Reagan type then Trump. He is from high society and really doesn't understand the poor, but feels he know best how to help them.... while at the same time being annoyed they don't pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
Finally watched this recently. I wanted to mention how the soundtrack, especially the main theme, evolves and gets more complex as the movie progresses. It starts as a single droning note, then slowly adds more, one note at a time, as things continue further along. Was really interesting and well done.
I felt like the protests were kicked off by Tomas Wayne’s comments referring to the citizens of Gotham who arnt wealthy as “clowns”, the masks weren’t in homage to joker it was more throwing the comment back at Wayne.. I could be wrong.. The shooting on the train was just a random spark lit a fire that wasn’t intended
I feel Waynes comments confirmed to the "clowns" that the rich really don't get it - whatever "it" maybe. I feel the movies intro set up the riots before any of the main characters even spoke. I think the first line was "is it me or is it getting crazier out there?" Setting this up in the first 5 minutes allows the movie to focus more on Arthur and his demise/rise.
It all came down at the same time. The murders gave Thomas Wayne the reason to call the less privileged "Clowns" so eventually, with some people seeing Joker as a hero vigilante (which also gives a huge jump-start to a Batman story), it all explodes into Joker being an involuntary symbol for the poor exploited people of Gotham against the filthy rich Waynes. So the riots at the end were all over the place. Joker was taken as a dangerous revolutionary figure by an angry crowd and there lies the danger. For them in the film but also for us to know this is a bad way to fight the good fight.
I just don’t understand what exactly he didn’t work so much for him past the introductory “check mark” stuff in act 1. Not to comment on the film myself, but I don’t really think he considered the film’s merits too much next to its more derivative or less-explained parts.
IMO Mike & Jay are the legit 21st century successors to Siskel & Ebert... and Jay certainly went full Siskel in this review: straining to nitpick things about a good movie so he can appear above mindless popular opinion. Most of time it works, because most studio films are hollow, craptastic attempts to cash in on established franchises. But in this case, this was actually a good movie and Jay is being ridiculous.
When he was told that mental health services were being cut and his therapy would have to be terminated, he did ask his case worker who he would go to to get his meds from. He was never answered... and then there is a quick scene after wards of empty pill bottles and the few remaining pills spilled out on the table.
Also when Jay says that how is it possible that just because the Joker killed tree guys in the subway suddenly it becomes a movement. It wasn't because he killed them, it was because Thomas Wayne said that everyone that didn't have his life in order was a clown like him, causing the public to backlash.
@@16-bitmascot12 Yeah, I don't think that's what Jay was saying at all. He offered that up as an idea as to why he didn't have access to his medication while failing to realize it was because his access to his mental health councillor who facilitated his prescriptions was terminated. I don't think jay was trivializing the use and access to medication as such.
The movie is told by the joker's point of view, and he wasn't interested about politics... This is why we don't see an elaborate set up for the protests.
yea and he was also a shitty narrator himself, creating these scenarios with his "girlfriend" or people laughing at his jokes at Pogos or his "girlfriend" thinking that murdering those three guys makes him a hero. It was all set up this way to show his delusions and imaginations, but Jay couldn't understand that.
@@itsasecrettoeverybody what is a “scenery piece”? It’s not just background fluff if that’s what you mean. They directly impact the themes and conflict of the movie, and are pivotal to Arthur’s descent.
Trash strike => Shooting => Thomas Wayne calling the poor clowns on tv => newspaper/media speculation for the murder's motive => protests. I thought this was a pretty reasonable arc for what happened, especially as we see the media's influence in similar ways in current culture. What do you guys think?
Well, he understood that many are mean as hell, he must have understood his mother's grievances about her life... to me he seems to want things to be good and he himself does not express any sort of violence until it's done to him quite many times. This is part of why he snaps, and that he is taken of the medicines he so much needs, so in some essence the upper class created him just like the upper class created the French revolution. He also notices the deep class divide, and that De Niro's character is really just there for the laughs.. The incels do not just go to do that to be awful, it's a sort of revenge things for them, they do justify it. Joker has part of this mentality as he has these fantasies about the young girl living in the same apartment complex.. at one point he imagines himself just going to her like a king to have sex and these fantasies partly make him think that he just has the right to enter her apartment..
George Zee Mass protests and riots have been a thing forever though. Like the LA riots stemmed from a huge undercurrent of systemic issues plus a single, well-known event (beating of Rodney King). In Joker, there was a huge undercurrent of systemic issues, and then several single, well-known events. Makes sense to me
I agree with Jay that it wasn't as clever or well thought or presented as it could've been, but sort of with Mike on it slowly escalating to some extent with Thomas Wayne becoming the enemy of the people. It could've probably used more hints at police brutality and civil unrest before that, with or without Fleck understanding what was going on.
The media has always reflected society, that's why people hate it. It's literally funded by the general public since ads wouldn't sell if nobody watched or read what "the media" publishes.
To emphasize class struggle, I feel they could have had Joker rescue some racehorses from the local track while his vertically challenged friend vomits quarters.
Even better, you could add little kid slaves shouting "WoOhOo!" as Arthur sets the animals free instead of them, and in the end you see how they got inspired by the Joker's actions (?).
“Someone didn’t like my favorite and the best film that’s ever been made in the history of ever?? THEY COULDNT HAVE *POSSIBLY* ACTUALLY WATCHED THE MOVIE REEEEEEE” Get over it, fanboy
I loved Joaquin Phoenix's performance, laughed out loud a few times. The scene w DeNiro on the talk show is an all time classic: "What do you get....."
i'm surprised Mike and Jay didnt mention how 10 years ago, Joaquin pretended to quit acting and become a rapper, all for a fake documentary. He's always been a performance artist
Who Dat Ninja for a shit movie. I don't care much for method actors, to me it just shows how weak their acting is that they have to use their real life to try to become more like their on screen character
@@SNoone89 He can dislike whatever he wants. But if a person is going to make money reviewing movies, then he better know the plot points of the movie. Jay mentioned multiple "issues" with this film that aren't even issues if he'd actually paid attention. He says he doesn't want movies that are "theme rides" but then he complains that this one takes its time and focuses on one character.
@@Archonus Falling down is so much worse than Joker, what the fuck. Taxi Driver and Joker can be similiar but they're also so much different, Travis isn't beat down at the any point in the movie, what drives him into madness is mainly his loneliness and the city's promiscuity, also his disturbed sense of moral. In Joker the point is the lack of empathy on a fucked up society (yes i had to say it) that can drives someone into madness. It seems that the people who brings Taxi Driver into this kind of discussion never watched the damn movie.
@@Archonus Mike had to remind Jay of references to the medication and the events surrounding civil unrest. So, no, he didn't see those things. And when Mike reminded him, he simply disregarded them as "sloppy" or "muddled" to avoid being wrong.
Jay: "It takes soooo long to get to that transformation" Also Jay: "I wish they would have spent the time to build up to it though" I seriously don't know wtf Jay is talking about here
@@Demilich23 Nah, that's not Jay's style of thinking. I think he just expected it to stay at the same pace or a similar pace to the opening and world development. (and maybe set himself up with a few expectations that didn't pan out) Personally, I'm glad they picked up the pace once things started deteriorating. It actually helped Arthur's craziness stand out. He was ironically becoming more sane after giving up on life while the world was snapping around him. Beautiful. Saying people let others make up someone else's mind comes off as extremely dismissive, kind of like how so many told people that didn't like TLJ "You're just upset because your fan theory didn't pan out."
Because the movie spends a loooooot of time with one side of the character and suddenly near the end he completely snaps. And it's not really built up, more like telegraphed but it didn't feel earned.
Not to "um, actually" too much, but think there was a worker strike going on at the beginning of the movie and the train incident coupled with Thomas wayne insulting this "clown" is what started the bigger protests. LoL, finished the vid. You made my point.
I really liked the scene when the Joker is lying in a sea of knives and guns and laughing maniacally(at 26:37). Really goes to show how Damaged he really is
Reading these comments. 😆 People got really precious over this movie. Jay had some criticism, missed some bit of dialogues, but ultimately liked the final act and ended the movie review with " Make more movies like this please." And people acted this was Ebert reviewing Friday the 13th part 4. 😆
year of the snitch And the symbol of the rich in culture, Murray, made fun of a mentally ill man on tv. He’s a symbol of marginalization amidst a rough social climate. I don’t think it was as ‘fumbling’ as Jay found it to be
Gotham is obviously a powder keg just waiting for a spark to ignite it. They allude to this fact several times. They don’t need to justify it beyond that.
I was tearing me hair out when they were talking about that! I'm like YO, JAY, The guy running for mayor just called EVERYONE who lives in poverty in Gotham CLOWNS on national TV. That's what started the riots JAY. That's why they dressed up like clowns, And yes Arthur's actions eventually led up to that happening it wasn't a direct cause and effect.
Well that and at the very beginning of the movie when he's putting on makeup the radio is talking about how trash is piling up because of like 18 days of striking. The clown boss talks about how everyone is poor and out of jobs. And then major rat infestation happens because of the trash. The radio part is kinda easy to miss ( I watched with subtitles). So the movie certainly slowly builds up to the rioting in steps.
Did anyone else notice every time he had a laughing episode, it was usually followed by a hallucination? Which begs the question, did the people in the train really attack him?
@@bluegum6438 I think if it was the intention, the vagueness of the whole thing really helps the film. Cuz like, what this really tells us is that he does hallucinate a lot after a laughing fit. The hallucinations could be completely fake, or maybe a little real, or completely real. Even he doesn't know, and neither could we. "Did the people in the train really attack him?" becomes a question with no clear answer. That's a big point in the movie's favor.
jokers "religious" experience in the dirty grimy bathroom was incredible the cello music, the neon light, weird tai chi dance amazing! loneliness and isolation is the core of this minor key story its connection to the comics seems almost incidental.
Jay is criticizing a DC movie because the "regular" people living within the universe want to DO something about their city and it's troubles, while the "regular"people in Marvel movies are just background, and are just going about their lives hoping Superheroes will save them. BTW - these are just movies about comic books. "Don't get goofy on me" (Ed Wood)
@Ricky Nuggets Even Mike liked the movie. And that's totally rich coming from a RLM fan. You just proved my point. Jay's fucking words are not final. He's a just a self indulgent obnoxious know it all that attracts other people with similar personality traits.
I don’t get Jays hate for this movie. It’s a really good movie. The 3 guys who got shot in the subway is based on a actual event that happened in NY. So he is wrong. When that actually happened people were rooting the shooter encouraging it. They claimed they were happy someone was fighting back to crime. He is way over reacting.
Well, I came back here to say that Mike was right in his interpretation of the movie's world building logic and how much logic is behind the actions of the citizens. A place, a city where people is living throughout stressful, violent situations everyday and doesn't feel understood by their political class. It only requires a singular event to rebel. That's happening now in different countries and for different reasons rigth now.
Yeah, I still don't get Jay's interpretation, except by assuming he just doesn't want to believe the movie as sincere for coming from a director he (I guess) dislikes.
The news: "oh boy I really hope someone doesn't shoot up this movie, that would get us clicks for MONTHS! This would be such a good movie to shoot up!"
Man I'm so pissed that people haven't fuckin picked up on that. Its dumb college aged millenials and BOOMERS that can't understand that the media doesn't give a fuck about the truth and is there FOR CLICKS.
By far, the biggest moment that made me think it's all in his head, is that Sophie left her door unlocked. Anyone who has lived in the city, especially that section of that city and having a kid would NEVER forget to lock the door. Or it would happen so few times that the chances of that particular time lining up with the neighbor stalking her would be virtually nil. But really, she'd never leave that door unlocked. It's city living in an "awful building". I could be wrong, but I could swear that the first time we see her and her daughter, she unlocks the door on the left side and every time after that the door opens on the right. Bizarre. Also, the door switches
Watching this in December and getting to Jay saying it's completely unrealistic that one incident could possibly lead to people rising up and rioting, had me laughing far too much...
No. If the wall street guys killed a homeless guy, the metaphor would work. But no, a poor guy murdered three other people. Why would that lead to a riot?
It makes perfect sense remember that time trump called the the lower class pigs so thousands of violent protesters marched through the streets while dressed as pigs
There's a nervous system condition called pseudobulbar affect which is characterized by uncontrollable and inappropriate laughing and crying. It's a trip, but it's a real thing.
The first time I tried to watch Red Letter, I knew I wouldn’t like them because of how overrated they are and wrong in their reviews. Dunno why people enjoy these guys.
At least if he does go (God and Satan pls no), he went out on a high note with producing Joker and making The Irishman (which, of course, isn't out yet but looks great).
It really helped not knowing it was the Hangover director until after the film. He did a great job and I thought it was an amazing looking movie, great cinematography, amazing music... Jay seems to want to dislike it regardless which is always hard opion to change. It's a 10/10 for me, incredible origin story and character study.
The fact that he wasn't able to properly put into words why "the first 1.5 hours were sloppy" other than that it lacked build-up, to which mike gracefully responds exactly what I was thinking (they took 2 hours!), shows how he didn't want to accept that Todd Phillips made a fine movie.
If anything, I like when they don't completely agree on a movie. It makes the film they're reviewing that much more interesting if it can get this kind of reaction.
I feel like Jay says that a lot of things in the movie need to be built up but then right at the beginning he claims that the twist of Arthur’s relationship was too obvious. I feel like if it was just a straight up twist he would say “i wish they sprinkled in some clues that he’s delusional”
Not saying Joker was a perfect movie, but it definitely wasn’t as bad as Jay was saying. Usually agree with these fellas but I feel like Jay went in wanting to dislike the movie
Yeah I agree. I have A LOT of criticisms of the movie and it’s definitely overrated but is still a good film overall, and really saying anything other than that just shows an inherent bias against the film
I didn't like it much. Felt like the climax was too close to the end and there wasn't a proper descent from that. There was a couple scenes I really liked, but the movie was just too slow. It spent a lot of time laying the groundwork, but I dont think it paid off well enough.
@Jaigarful I can agree with that. For a film titled “Joker” he only really becomes Joker in the last 20 minutes, and even then he’s more of a bumbling bafoon than a criminal mastermind. It’d be the equivalent of Batman only ever putting on the costume in the in the final battle of Batman Begins. It feels like the script was originally designed to be a Taxi Driver reboot (as the story structure is almost identical, and some of the scenes are even almost shot for shot the same), and then Warner Bros redesigned it to squeeze in the Joker and make it a supervillain movie so it’d sell more tickets.
It's a shame I couldn't tell if the character was damaged. A forehead tattoo would have helped.
Really needed stomach tattoo of his name also, how else do we know who he's supposed to be?
Hunka Hunka!!!🃏
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
I was so outraged when I saw this. This was NOTHING like the Joker as depicted by Bob Kane in his original comic book appearance. Kane, of course, was a big Marilyn Manson fan and also a connoisseur of gangsta rap and the Joker combined his too loves. This movie even had the audacity to not show the famous Joker cat purr. I thought at the very least they would have shown that.
It's cuz he's all messed up, ya know? He's all messed up.
In a recent interview, Joaquin Phoenix said the only reason he did Joker was to prepare for playing Rich Evans in the up-coming bio-pic.
Ticket sold
The birthday boy scene is going to be legendary.
@@stevekjr9563 great, another cgi de-aging debacle.
@@stevekjr9563 Can't wait for the breaking point scene where he losses his diabetes medicine
You mean the Dick the Birthday Boy origin story?
Finally, I have seen the movie and unlocked the ability to watch this video
Me too. Watched Joker last night. I avoided spoilers for a whole year.
@@metalbrainmextrememetalent6810 nice lol
Get a load of this guy
No you're supposed to watch this to knkw what you think about the movie 😆
@@metalbrainmextrememetalent6810 me too
Jay: the shooting of 3 people couldn't start a revolution
Franz Ferdinand: am I a joke to you
Or the actual real life "subway vigilante" shooting in 80s NYC that inspired huge social uproar that partially inspired this film! C'mon Jay!
Well he kind of missed that part when Thomas Wayne got in front of the camera and pretty much said anyone who hasn’t made something of themselves in life is a clown to him and people like him.
Franz Ferdinand was also royalty in Austria-hungary, and Serbia and Austria-Hungary were at each other's throats before the shooting, so Serbia killing Franz just pushed it over the top. I agree with Jay here.
Or world war 1
The problem is that his point misses a lot of key details, and I say this as someone who doesn't think was a cinematic masterpiece or something.
The cuts to social services, the brief tidbits about sanitation workers on strike, the pre-existing animus towards Thomas Wayne, who's obviously an amalgam of former mayor Ed Koch and Donald Trump, the run down architecture... like, these all form the setting itself and are all obviously meant to convey late 70s/80s New York. The city is a social powder keg in the movie, as it was in real life. It's not implausible at all that the vigilante murder of a repugnant social type would get a sympathetic reaction.
For a real life scenario with some surprising parallels, look into the "dogman" murder in Rome in 1988.
All this proves is that mike is a true gamer and jay is society
based and mikepilled
SPOILER
When Joker said “This is what happens when society steps on you!” I literally laughed out loud in the cinema
@@jamesbell1186 As did I
@@jamesbell1186 I CLAPPED WHEN HE SAID THE THING
@@jamesbell1186 lol made me so hyped, especially because he's said it during the climax
“Can you introduce me as Rich Evans?”
"Can you introduce me as Dick the Birthday Boy?"
“Do you wanna know how I got these stretch marks?”
@@aaronjohnson8490" I'm Rich Evan's baby!"
Hahaha
Lmfaooooo
Mike: "I really liked this movie. But I did have a few tiny problems. Nothing major though, Loved this movie! What are your thoughts on the movie, Jay?"
Jay: "all I have are negative thoughts"
*laughs in joker*
Zazie Beetz was never really dhere∴
Werner Herzog's slowly taking over Jay's mind.
To Jay’s credit he did say “more movies like this please”
I was surprised they actually didn't mind the mess of a movie
i wonder if jay still thinks a killing sparks a massive uprising is unrealistic
“Such a bizarre stretch to me that one person death sparks a riot’ 🤦🏻♂️
that's exactly why I'm back here. I'm team chad mike
The riots have nothing to do with the dead man. It's animals being animals, nothing more than that.
@@justincooper1884 Thank you bot...
ozymandias ___ jay said that he doesn’t believe a death can start an uprising 🤦🏻♂️
He literally asks his therapist how he was going to get his medicine once the funding was cut, and she just apologizes. I think maybe this deserves a second watch gentlemen.
he is literally off his meds because he couldn't get them anymore.. the rest of the film could have all played out in his head
@@chee1989 except he didn't cause we didn't get flashbacks of those scenes never happening
Juboi that’s what made this less interesting for me. Since the film establishes that it will make it CLEAR when he’s having a delusion (first appearance on Murray’s show, girlfriend flashbacks), it implies that everything else we’re being shown is reality
@@chee1989 That is highly unlikely, the movie made it clear every time he was imagining things. It doesn't fit the pattern of the movie, if it never went out of it's way to show that his was imagining things then sure, could be possible, but not now.
nah
Vampire Assassin does
I never expected to ever hear Mike say the word “Incel” in my entire life
@đöPpƏŁşÂįĶĪÅņØŇ ïwĪķ holy shit where's that from
The most cancerous memes are reaching everything, dark times ahead
Boomers are becoming sentient
@đöPpƏŁşÂįĶĪÅņØŇ ïwĪķ check out all appearances of mike on pre rec.
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Can someone edit the movie so every time Arthur Fleck laughs it's Rich Evans' laugh?
I would like to watch the perfect movie, please.
I legit want this WAY more than the Snyder cut.
has anybody done it yet???
Please tell me this exists
I can't stand Rich's laugh, and I hate it when he takes part in the review. I really prefer just Mike and Jay.
@@KoiNoYokan37 rich is the mvp, you’re crazy
Didn't like the movie, mistah Jay?
@HKMH Dariani exactlyyyy
Jay is a well known debbie downer critic. He hated the walk cycle OF HAKUNA MATATA from LION KING! What a mook!
@@righthandstep5 yeah fuck him. Everyone knows you aren't allowed opinions
@@grill6411 "his opinion isn't the same as mine so it's actually shit!"
@@righthandstep5 I hate that too. Fuck that movie.
Jay: "I find it hard to believe that shooting three guys could've sparked a conflict of this magnitude."
WWI: "Allow me to introduce myself."
or any of the shit that has stirred up in the last 10 years or so lol
Joker had a point when he said that had it been him, the city would not have cared. It's business as usual if the poor in Gotham die, but not the rich.
They weren’t just “three guys”. They were rich Ivy League Wayne Tech boys. Of course the media would manufacture outrage over their deaths.
Yeah a few douches on a train is definitely an equivelant to prince assassination on a parade ride in a country hes disliked.
Gavrilo Princip: Hold my beer...
As a Kingdom of the Crystal Skull fan, I liked when he got inside his fridge
"You're a rent-a-clown?"
"Part-time."
Rofl
When i was watching the movie, all i can think of was : "Well, now he would survive a nuclear blast"
I 100% thought about that movie too, and I didn't even like it, lolol
ill never understand the outrage of that scene to me it made sense in regards to the movie it said lead lined right on it lol
Jay keeps referencing Taxi Driver, but never mentions King of Comedy for some reason. Joker was inspired by both, pretty equally. The casting of De Niro was no accident.
And yet it didn't even come close to reaching either in terms of quality. It's an extremely unoriginal, predictable and boring story with a fantastic actor cast in the title role.
@@interdimensionalsteve8172 What crap you talk.
Yeah. It's insane to me they didn't mention The King of Comedy once.
@@interdimensionalsteve8172 oh wow mr cinesnob wants super original script that he's going to shit on anyways? Ffs people all we get now is comic hero action movies or shitty origin stories, can you put your fucking cinebuff snobbery away, quit cosplaying Ebert and enjoy a decent non stupid movie that's in cinema? None of you even mentioned how good soundtracks is or the camerawork, all you say is "hur dur i saw taxi driver its a rip off -0.5/10".
@FlymanMS Relax. Not sure why you're getting so worked up over a subjective thing like movie critique. The movie was boring/pointless in an environment where there is a metric ton of good films coming out every year from about a hundred different sources. It's honestly dizzying, then add TV shows, and it's ridiculous. I work a job (hotel night manager) where I get paid to effectively write (dialogue/story for a video game company) and watch movies. I'm actually quite the opposite from what's in your head - it takes a lot for me to say I don't like a movie, and as I've gotten older I've realized I'm waay easier to please while my scope has broadened. I don't care that Joker is similar to taxi driver - that's meaningless - it was just boring and disjointed. Nothing really happened, and then the end was ridiculous.
I didn't like The Batman either, you wanna freak out about that? That one was actually really disappointing because I was looking forward to it. Batman (and Punisher) is my favorite comic from back in the day.
people who say the therapy scene was unrealistic because a therapist would never say that have never been to therapy. so many therapists really just do not give a shit, especially in the kind of conditions she was in.
Im sorry that was your experience with a therapist, but a lot people who think that the scene is not realistic could've simply have had different experiences than yours. Other than that, you are absolutely right, I'm finishing Psychology school and you can see early on the ones who will turn out to actually care about their clients.
"Kill the rich!"
Is this a coded message to specifically target Rich Evans?
He's been monopolizing that Shaq meat for far too long
Bachagaloop Jones Ah yes, Bernie Sanders and his campaign slogan “Kill the Rich”
First the bouncy castle murder, then the crippling diabetes, and now kill the Rich... Yeah, Mike is jealous of the fame that Rich Evans has garnered on talk shows and wants to end his existence.
Dick the Rich Boy
@@lukess.s I can't believe some people still don't know this. The tweet mike put out was very respectful and sincere. They just want to carry on making stuff and move on.
The lack of attention to the riots was deliberate, because it's not something Arthur is interested in. It's his perspective and you see it developed in his eyes
It's actually typical DC. It never focuses intently on the social context, it's always a bit 2d. The issues are dealt with through the protagonists.
@@irisdogma8174 But this isn't really DC. It's more a fan film elseworld story, that wouldn't even need to be about Joker, or have the city named Gotham, or its richest family named Wayne. Not saying that you're wrong, just that I think the reason for it is other than just the movie being DC.
@@AnnaMarianne Yeah, but this is exactly how the jokers lackies are usually handled - often just random crazed anarchists unhappy with the status quo. This movie still strikes me as being 'in a comic book world' for all it's adult messaging. Regardless, the riots etc are not the focus of the film, whether that's from DC influence or simply a story decision.
Yeah, at some point his clown ex-colleague asks him if he's going to the riots because he's got makeup on and he doesn't even know about it.
Well, that's fine, but then the script should have had Arthur have more interactions with people and things having to do with the social unrest. These things were within the control of the writer and editor, after all.
Given the current events in America, I feel like Jay should retract his criticism that a huge protest couldn't form within a day let alone a couple of days.
Watched "Joker" for the first time last night and thought the exact same thing when watching it and then this review.
At least the movie needed 2 guys killed to kick it off, we had one guy and no clown comment to start a riot
@@spooderlover3512 I mean, let's not forget the myriad of racial killings that preceded this. Like I say, these riots really aren't dissimilar to how Joker played out, they weren't in a bubble or a vacuum, both of these are boiling pots just with different sparks.
Covid19 may have made things move faster. People are stuck at home, out of work, and pissed. George Floyd's death was a match tossed into a lake of oil. So we got a lot of protests faster than usual. Tragedy upon tragedy.
@@garydougherty8307 you know only 1 black person was killed by police unarmed in 2019 who wasnt a criminal?
I think Jay phased out a few times during the movie thinking about how much he hates the director causing him to miss key dialogue and scenes.
he phased out because it wasn't a terrible horror film from the 80s
@@bazookajoe9864 true. It was just terrible
I mean he isn’t wrong. The movie is a checklist of “now this happens oh and did we mention his dog was hit by a car and oh yeah they ran out of his favourite brand of toothpaste at Walmart so he is upset and oh yeah his house burns down oh yeah and then and then”
nope, you just think this movie is deeper than it is. Most his points are absolutely true
@@92brunod So true. The perfect review of the movies is that one quote "If you've never swam in the ocean, then of course a pool will seem deep"
They totally forgot how Thomas Wayne called poor people “clowns”. That’s what got people upset.
This. And he completely whitewashed those three thugs Arthur killed on the subway.
Thomas called people who were celebrating murders clowns. He didn't call poor people clowns.
He called the people celebrating the murder of his employees clowns and the media twisted his words.
Questbro yep. Wayne’s comments were perceived poorly by a populace on that was already on the edge of an abyss and that little push sent them over.
Yeah, I’m assuming Jay didn’t want to ride the “Joker is a Masterpiece” train alongside everyone else and went in wanting to dislike it. He brings up several reasons as to why he didn’t like the movie, but most didn’t even make sense
Arthur literally shoots a gun in the middle on the night in his house and nobody does anything, I think it is very well established that this Gotham is a shithole bound to end up in chaos and anarchy lol
A loud bang in New York would probably not prompt neighbors to call 911 either just as a matter of fact.
Curtis Robison gunshot’s a little more than a loud bang, homie.
@@Amrylin1337 I live in NYC, near a project. There was a gunshot years ago, and it was a big issue. People still remember it. Hollywood's interpretation of NYC, and actual NYC are two different things. Most of the violent crime here (and there's a lot) involves knives and other sharp objects.
@@YourEternalSoul666 I'm not speaking to hollywood or an interpretation. A single Gunshot may or may not convince someone to be suspicious. That's called nuance and it has nothing to with living near a project, NYC, in a fiction or in reality.
Parts of NYC were war zones in the 1980s where the cops could not keep up with the number of calls. Check out The Seven Five documentary, there were multiple years when murders topped 2000+
"It gave it some thickness that I didn't expect." -Mike Stoklasa, 2019
"I was terrified!" -- Scarecrow
"Raises a lot of questions." -- Riddler
"Purr-fect film." -- Catwoman
"Left me feeling cold." -- Mr. Freeze
"Wah-wah-wah-wah" -- Penguin
Also Mr. Freeze "...Who would have thawed it?"
Whyyyyyy...- Batman
It wasn’t the killings that inspired the riots, it was Thomas Wayne’s response where he straight up blamed poor people that incited protests
Yeah, the guy was like a cartoon version of Trump making irresponsible comments about poor people. And then he had the chance to apologize but he became even more aggressive in front of the journalists. So yeah, it was a lot of tension between the rich and the poor, joker had no interest in that but his actions brought out the worst from the poor.
Ironically I think the media played into what the movie was critiquing, he has no motive or political agenda, but the media hype him into this figurehead
@@rapzeh4 How did Thomas blame poor people? He called the people that were celebrating the murder of three persons clowns, that's it.
@@rapzeh4 Trump is a cartoon version of Trump.
@@PedroGomes-cx7ku Sometimes meaning gets lost in the context. It was inflammatory statement. There was tension between poor and rich, so much so that that was only thing that mattered. 3 rich persons were murdered, well it is obvious someone poor did it so calling killer a clown all of a sudden means all poor people are clowns. It makes no sense what so ever, but everything is so fucked up and people are completely irrational it this kind of times...
Jay's commentary seemed uncharacteristically uninsightful this time.
@keflar5 He isn't right if all his criticisms come from blatantly missing key moments in the movie.
Yeah feel like he is being a bit contrarian here, I usually agree with him but I think this review is a bit too harsh
@keflar5 shut up sperg
Undoubtedly.
keflar5 shut up sperg
SPOILERS
There's hints that his mother wasn't originally crazy, like having her portrait that "T.W." signed for her. Wayne could easily have buried her in fake paperwork to say Arthur wasn't actually his child.
When Arthur reads the letter she wrote for Wayne and learns that Wayne's his father, the mother says she "signed some papers". So when he sees the adoption form and newspaper clippings of him and his mother getting abused in her file, he understands what she meant by "some papers" and gets upset.
I thought it was obvious, how could Jay miss all these? It feels like he didn't even watch the movie and just skipped around.
old comment but when they were scanning over her files you see it says "lobot" on the right side, showing shes had a lobotomy and it's on record so
Analman Cumeth or, Lobot from Cloud City is the real father. It was unclear, though.
When I think that somehow this was a way to imply that Batman and the Joker are actually brothers in some ethereal way- I just can't handle it. I mean we're at fan faction levels of obsession for these existing properties.
I know Heath Ledgers performance was good and the Dark Knight made an implication they're two sides of the same coin... but... come the fuck on people...
I thought it was implied that his mother abused him and she was indeed crazy.. this is why he had this mental issue from the start, she was abusing him and instead of crying he laughed, this is why she says "he was always so happy" or something like that.. I don`t remember exactly at what part they say it but it seemed pretty obvious for me that she was abusive of him
Oh, Jay, you sweet boy. Thinking one incident won't start a massive uprising.
We have incidents that start massive uprisings every month it feels like. Society is failing fast.
@@mrscruffles801 Lol what uprisings are occurring in West that point towards society failing? What has happened in the last 30 years that is on the level of anything from 1914-1945? Closest thing is the Recession.
Jay had some valid points, but a lot of his gripes WERE adressed in the film. I kinda feel like he went to see the movie with "this dude directed the hangover movies lmao" on the back on his mind the entire time and missed key plot points.
@Mr061099 I think the problem with Jay’s feelings toward this movie is that it requires you to think about what is real and what isn’t, even after the movie is over. Unfortunately, I think jay closed his mind after the movie finished and just took the movie at face value.
@@tomedwards2586 These dudes are total cliches - the slight god complex movie reviewer that secretly thinks they're tastemakers of the gods.
Also, they probably gave such shitty reviews because they rushed this out for content.
@@aristideregnier4883 These guys are the original cliches CZcams-wise. Their schtick has always been watching a movie once and doing a casual review together. I think MIke did a pretty good job of praising what it did well.
@@aristideregnier4883 "These dudes are total cliches - the slight god complex movie reviewer that secretly thinks they're tastemakers of the gods.
Also, they probably gave such shitty reviews because they rushed this out for content."
You don't understand RedLetterMedia at all do you? RLM were the originators of film criticism on CZcams. Ten years ago they practically invented the video essay style of film critique, that EVERYONE ELSE uses now. Also your gripe about "shitty reviews". Did you watch the video? Mike enjoyed this movie quite a bit. He defended this movie through the entire length of the video.
I suggest you at least make an attempt to understand who you're bitching about before you type a comment like this. Because I can tell you shut the video off when Jay got critical and have no idea who the hell Mike and Jay are and their history on CZcams. Because if you did, you would never say anything so enormously incorrect.
@@dm6182696
Being the inventor of something does not mean you cannot be wrong. To blindly defend somebody because you believe they created something first, frankly, is plain and simply silly.
they made numerous nonsensical critiques, outright mischaracterizations, as well as a handful of simply missing major plot points.
frankly, it was rather poorly done. It felt rushed, and done after only a single viewing. A viewing that I can't help but feel they didn't pay much attention in, either.
I am of the opinion if you were going to do a movie critique you should at least try to watch the film more than once. Otherwise, as they seem to have done, you are likely to miss key details and factors as well as of miss major points throughout the movie
"we didn't need all those flashbacks" The guy sitting next to me in the theater kept saying "isn't that his girlfriend? What's going on?" I don't think he ever figured it out either, god bless him.
haha, and god bless you
Meanwhile my entire party of 7 people agreed that "Wow, she's so insanely under-written it's like she's not even a real character." Cut to that scene and all our eyes roll back so far in our heads that we fell backwards into the row behind us.
Yeah I thought those flashbacks were very necessary for lots of audience members to understand what was happening
It seemed like such a ridiculous thing that she would be his girlfriend that it almost took me out of the movie, so when it was revealed that he fantasized it I was actually more relieved than shocked.
They gotta dumb it down for the broadest audience. And flashbacks were only what, 10-15 seconds? That's pretty efficient, and nicely done. And most everybody can enjoy it then.
"DaVinci Code" (book) was criticized for that I believe...but sold pretty well. I knew somebody wondering about the end of first Blair Witch...of course that hinged on a few seconds about an hour earlier.
15:08 - Yes, people CAN lose touch with reality that quickly if they go off their meds. I like most aspects of this review, but Jay genuinely doesn't how realistic that is. If you're taking an anti-psychotic you do NOT want to go off it cold turkey.
I think his point is more that the film doesn't deal in nuances and subtitles.
@@crappymcdick subtitles can be turned on on the bluray or dvd
@@crappymcdick You should not need it. As soon as he asks about how he's gonna get his med, you should anticipate big changes. idk it's common sense. It's like chekov's gun
Hell's f'in bells, Dylan.
@@martingreen4543 Chekov's Prescription
After the psychiatrist tells him that he won't be able to see her anymore, they show him dumping out his pill bottle with only 2 pills left which likely means he never refilled his prescription
Rich Evans hears “Kill the Rich” and goes into hiding
Dick the Rich
No no no, what he does is called hibernation.
i thought he had already died???
I see him doing more of an "Oh finally", closing his eyes, and opening his arms wide.
Oh my gooooddddd
It was Thomas Wayne's comments that sparked the outrage.
I agree, and his comments on how he "knows best" and would fix things for these poor people just made it worse.
Thomas wayne...is trump...
Except no he is not trump, not in the least. Trump reaches out to the blue collar working classes of middle america, and does so with down to earth, simplified speech. He is then hated by the coastal elites because of this reason. Completely different dichotomy. " Wayne is rich, Trump is rich, people don't like Wayne and people don't like trump so Wayne must represent trump" view is so simple and narrow minded
Gustavus Adolphus I felt like he was both trump/hillary ...I'm glad the trump impersonator dropped out of playing Wayne
@@opmdevil I saw Thomas Wayne far more of a Ronald Reagan type then Trump. He is from high society and really doesn't understand the poor, but feels he know best how to help them.... while at the same time being annoyed they don't pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
"Baby's first Taxi Driver" Hahaha
Man these types of comments made me think taxi driver is overrated, I never did until 20 reviews say the same exact thing
@@spooderlover3512 its better than fucking joker
@@spooderlover3512 If that's you're opinion then i really don't think you should be allowed to talk about film, go watch transformers 13.
@@spooderlover3512 i absolutely love the joker but i gotta say taxi driver is way better
@@samsmith3590 I have only seen taxi driver once and didn't like it but I was also a teenager and probably just didn't get it.
Finally watched this recently. I wanted to mention how the soundtrack, especially the main theme, evolves and gets more complex as the movie progresses. It starts as a single droning note, then slowly adds more, one note at a time, as things continue further along. Was really interesting and well done.
great observation mate. I loved the music
One of the songs was one that they play at sporting events. It made no sense.
very strange seeing you here, thanks for teaching me famitracker lol
@@cuckertarlson5310 I'm the Joker, baby
@@mrplow2843 Are you a pedophile? Who sticks their fingers into little boy's mouth?
I’m convinced Jay missed like 25% of the movie
He like when stuff go boom
Jay is annoying
It's amazing, sometimes these guys become a spitting image of the people they mock.
More like 75%, he started only paying attention on the third act.
Maybe because he cannot empathize with Joker.
He's more like a Wayne than a Joker.
I felt like the protests were kicked off by Tomas Wayne’s comments referring to the citizens of Gotham who arnt wealthy as “clowns”, the masks weren’t in homage to joker it was more throwing the comment back at Wayne.. I could be wrong..
The shooting on the train was just a random spark lit a fire that wasn’t intended
Yeah, I felt it was his inflammatory comments regarding that event that was the major spark, not the event itself.
Tomás Wayne
Yea thats what I was thinking too
I feel Waynes comments confirmed to the "clowns" that the rich really don't get it - whatever "it" maybe.
I feel the movies intro set up the riots before any of the main characters even spoke.
I think the first line was "is it me or is it getting crazier out there?"
Setting this up in the first 5 minutes allows the movie to focus more on Arthur and his demise/rise.
It all came down at the same time. The murders gave Thomas Wayne the reason to call the less privileged "Clowns" so eventually, with some people seeing Joker as a hero vigilante (which also gives a huge jump-start to a Batman story), it all explodes into Joker being an involuntary symbol for the poor exploited people of Gotham against the filthy rich Waynes. So the riots at the end were all over the place. Joker was taken as a dangerous revolutionary figure by an angry crowd and there lies the danger. For them in the film but also for us to know this is a bad way to fight the good fight.
I like that Phoenix has seen and enjoyed this discussion review
I don't think he actually has, though. I know what you're referring, but I don't think he was talking about Mike and Jay.
I never disagreed with my husband, Jay, until I watched this review.
I feel Jays opinion is colored by a director he dislikes.
It seemed that way... He should have watched the movie on its own merits, THEN think about the director.
I just don’t understand what exactly he didn’t work so much for him past the introductory “check mark” stuff in act 1. Not to comment on the film myself, but I don’t really think he considered the film’s merits too much next to its more derivative or less-explained parts.
IMO Mike & Jay are the legit 21st century successors to Siskel & Ebert... and Jay certainly went full Siskel in this review: straining to nitpick things about a good movie so he can appear above mindless popular opinion. Most of time it works, because most studio films are hollow, craptastic attempts to cash in on established franchises. But in this case, this was actually a good movie and Jay is being ridiculous.
I was agreeing with everything he said and I love the hangover.
Director he dislike makes another movie he dislikes? You don't say?
When he was told that mental health services were being cut and his therapy would have to be terminated, he did ask his case worker who he would go to to get his meds from. He was never answered... and then there is a quick scene after wards of empty pill bottles and the few remaining pills spilled out on the table.
@j mula I am somewhat of an observant one. Thanks! :D
@@anthonywarren9885 Mike and Jay do great work. It was a small detail to miss and no one is perfect.
Also when Jay says that how is it possible that just because the Joker killed tree guys in the subway suddenly it becomes a movement. It wasn't because he killed them, it was because Thomas Wayne said that everyone that didn't have his life in order was a clown like him, causing the public to backlash.
@@16-bitmascot12 Yeah, I don't think that's what Jay was saying at all. He offered that up as an idea as to why he didn't have access to his medication while failing to realize it was because his access to his mental health councillor who facilitated his prescriptions was terminated. I don't think jay was trivializing the use and access to medication as such.
i was going to write this exact same thing :)
Baby's First Taxi Driver 😂
The movie is told by the joker's point of view, and he wasn't interested about politics... This is why we don't see an elaborate set up for the protests.
yea and he was also a shitty narrator himself, creating these scenarios with his "girlfriend" or people laughing at his jokes at Pogos or his "girlfriend" thinking that murdering those three guys makes him a hero.
It was all set up this way to show his delusions and imaginations, but Jay couldn't understand that.
@@miraculoussimpson6785 indeed
No one said anything about an “elaborate set up”. But you still need to build up the main conflict of your movie more than just a little bit
@@Phoenixifyable The protest aren't the main conflict of the movie, they are just a scenery piece.
@@itsasecrettoeverybody what is a “scenery piece”? It’s not just background fluff if that’s what you mean. They directly impact the themes and conflict of the movie, and are pivotal to Arthur’s descent.
Trash strike => Shooting => Thomas Wayne calling the poor clowns on tv => newspaper/media speculation for the murder's motive => protests. I thought this was a pretty reasonable arc for what happened, especially as we see the media's influence in similar ways in current culture. What do you guys think?
Well, he understood that many are mean as hell, he must have understood his mother's grievances about her life... to me he seems to want things to be good and he himself does not express any sort of violence until it's done to him quite many times. This is part of why he snaps, and that he is taken of the medicines he so much needs, so in some essence the upper class created him just like the upper class created the French revolution.
He also notices the deep class divide, and that De Niro's character is really just there for the laughs..
The incels do not just go to do that to be awful, it's a sort of revenge things for them, they do justify it. Joker has part of this mentality as he has these fantasies about the young girl living in the same apartment complex.. at one point he imagines himself just going to her like a king to have sex and these fantasies partly make him think that he just has the right to enter her apartment..
That'll work on today's social media driven society, but not in this late 70's Gotham. Things escalated dramatically for no aparent reason.
George Zee Mass protests and riots have been a thing forever though. Like the LA riots stemmed from a huge undercurrent of systemic issues plus a single, well-known event (beating of Rodney King). In Joker, there was a huge undercurrent of systemic issues, and then several single, well-known events. Makes sense to me
I agree with Jay that it wasn't as clever or well thought or presented as it could've been, but sort of with Mike on it slowly escalating to some extent with Thomas Wayne becoming the enemy of the people. It could've probably used more hints at police brutality and civil unrest before that, with or without Fleck understanding what was going on.
The media has always reflected society, that's why people hate it. It's literally funded by the general public since ads wouldn't sell if nobody watched or read what "the media" publishes.
To emphasize class struggle, I feel they could have had Joker rescue some racehorses from the local track while his vertically challenged friend vomits quarters.
Even better, you could add little kid slaves shouting "WoOhOo!" as Arthur sets the animals free instead of them, and in the end you see how they got inspired by the Joker's actions (?).
Then, as he blows up 3 police cars with a single shot of his revolver, he yells to a dog, "Woo! I like this!"
That would definitely have subverted expectations.
Lmfao fuck TLJ.
Haha vertically challenged
This is the first review where I don't think Jay actually watched the movie.
I am unreasonably annoyed with him in this review
Yet the movie is garbage and the director is a crybaby
@@wwxxww6289 Except it's not, and the director isn't tho...
I agree with Jay, most of it was a checklist. Phoenix acting hides all the messy writing
“Someone didn’t like my favorite and the best film that’s ever been made in the history of ever?? THEY COULDNT HAVE *POSSIBLY* ACTUALLY WATCHED THE MOVIE REEEEEEE”
Get over it, fanboy
upvote for "baby's first taxi driver." what a great throwaway line.
“I’m the Joker babyyy” - Rich Evans
his diabeetus is causing slurring
"I told you when we hooked up babyyyy....."
Drew Carry's Joker is honestly one of the best interpretions on Heath Ledger's interpretion of the Joker
Why isn't your name HELIX Charles?
Wonder how ICP feels about Hollywood Stealing their gig.
Seeing that Starfleet symbol on Mike's computer...and knowing what was to come with Picard....oh, poor Mike.
I loved Joaquin Phoenix's performance, laughed out loud a few times. The scene w DeNiro on the talk show is an all time classic: "What do you get....."
"I cried during your movie"
"I don't believe you've ever cried in your life"
This is the face of a man who knows how to have a good time!
We all need a link to that clip
i'm surprised Mike and Jay didnt mention how 10 years ago, Joaquin pretended to quit acting and become a rapper, all for a fake documentary. He's always been a performance artist
That is the face of a man who was destined to play the joker at some stage XD
Who Dat Ninja for a shit movie. I don't care much for method actors, to me it just shows how weak their acting is that they have to use their real life to try to become more like their on screen character
Does anyone know what this is from?
Jay: "I saw this coming a mile away."
Also Jay: Can't follow the obvious and multiple references to civil unrest or Arthur's dwindling medication.
Jay's not allowed to dislike an exceedingly mediocre movie without being torn apart. This movie will be forgotten when the hype dies down.
@@SNoone89 maybe it isn't a masterpiece, but it is by no means exceedingly mediocre
@@SNoone89 He can dislike whatever he wants. But if a person is going to make money reviewing movies, then he better know the plot points of the movie. Jay mentioned multiple "issues" with this film that aren't even issues if he'd actually paid attention. He says he doesn't want movies that are "theme rides" but then he complains that this one takes its time and focuses on one character.
@@Archonus Falling down is so much worse than Joker, what the fuck. Taxi Driver and Joker can be similiar but they're also so much different, Travis isn't beat down at the any point in the movie, what drives him into madness is mainly his loneliness and the city's promiscuity, also his disturbed sense of moral. In Joker the point is the lack of empathy on a fucked up society (yes i had to say it) that can drives someone into madness. It seems that the people who brings Taxi Driver into this kind of discussion never watched the damn movie.
@@Archonus Mike had to remind Jay of references to the medication and the events surrounding civil unrest. So, no, he didn't see those things. And when Mike reminded him, he simply disregarded them as "sloppy" or "muddled" to avoid being wrong.
>I wished they built that up more
>The movie took so long to get there
@dietcola Looks like you're the stupid one here.
This was a good film
It was also instantly obvious that he was imagining the kiss with the woman and every other scene
I feel like Jay wasn't really paying attention when he watched this movie.
That tends to happen a lot in RLM reviews. Not that that invalidates their input on the stuff they actually noticed through the haze of alcoholism.
Disappointing since his usually the more insightful of when it comes to Half in the Bag.
He entered the movie with the bias of not liking the director and his previous movies, from the get go he was prepared for not liking the movie
Actually a little frustrating to watch lol.
Yeah, he didn't seem to catch the Thomas Wayne campaign/calling people clowns thing that incited the protests
Jay: "It takes soooo long to get to that transformation"
Also Jay: "I wish they would have spent the time to build up to it though"
I seriously don't know wtf Jay is talking about here
He’s saying the movie meandered
he decided he didn't like it before he watched it. jay is the kind of guy who let's other people make up his mind
@@Demilich23 Nah, that's not Jay's style of thinking. I think he just expected it to stay at the same pace or a similar pace to the opening and world development. (and maybe set himself up with a few expectations that didn't pan out) Personally, I'm glad they picked up the pace once things started deteriorating. It actually helped Arthur's craziness stand out. He was ironically becoming more sane after giving up on life while the world was snapping around him. Beautiful.
Saying people let others make up someone else's mind comes off as extremely dismissive, kind of like how so many told people that didn't like TLJ "You're just upset because your fan theory didn't pan out."
@@ashkebora7262 very good point, I didn't see things that way. I really like your take on the second half of the movie btw.
Because the movie spends a loooooot of time with one side of the character and suddenly near the end he completely snaps. And it's not really built up, more like telegraphed but it didn't feel earned.
I think in light of everything that’s happened since this release, Jay owes a huge apology to Todd Philips.
Imagine being that off
Jay is a contrarian if you haven’t realised . If the movie wasn’t being praised so much at the time he would have liked it.
Not to "um, actually" too much, but think there was a worker strike going on at the beginning of the movie and the train incident coupled with Thomas wayne insulting this "clown" is what started the bigger protests.
LoL, finished the vid. You made my point.
"It's always nice when he shows up and actually tries" - Jay on DeNiro' last 20 years of acting
He ain't wrong tho
TRUMP 2020
I wonder if they picked him because this movie had a Taxi Driver type feel.
Nah, too on the nose.
@@cattleprodding Actually king of Comedy check it out. Way more on the nose than you think.
@@SigmaoctanusIV It was a shameless mix of both. And he was clearly picked because of it.
I really liked the scene when the Joker is lying in a sea of knives and guns and laughing maniacally(at 26:37). Really goes to show how Damaged he really is
I see what you did there ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I didn't understand that scene. Maybe if he had "Damaged" tattooed on his forehead I would have got it.
no, just a flex-tape tattoo
@@banzaiboy1597 don't forget the classic Joker grill, can't have Joker without capped teeth
@@banzaiboy1597 I'm slow, so just to clarify... that scene wasn't actually in the movie, was it?
Reading these comments. 😆 People got really precious over this movie. Jay had some criticism, missed some bit of dialogues, but ultimately liked the final act and ended the movie review with " Make more movies like this please." And people acted this was Ebert reviewing Friday the 13th part 4. 😆
"that all of a sudden, that inSPIRES all the 99% to rise up... that to me, felt underdeveloped"
Boy that SURE didn't age well.
Jay: This movie didn't do (insert element here) right
Mike: Wrong
@@ilikerice5208 wrong
Jay was so annoyingly incorrect about so many things on this review. I want my money back Jay!!!
"I didn't like the movie that much"
"Neither did I, here's why it was bad"
"Wrong, all that stuff was great"
@@TopBurger239 Wrong
@@ilikerice5208 You are right
Thomas Wayne called the poor "Clowns", Jay. That's your build up...that's why they rioted after the subway killing
year of the snitch
And the symbol of the rich in culture, Murray, made fun of a mentally ill man on tv. He’s a symbol of marginalization amidst a rough social climate. I don’t think it was as ‘fumbling’ as Jay found it to be
Gotham is obviously a powder keg just waiting for a spark to ignite it. They allude to this fact several times. They don’t need to justify it beyond that.
I was tearing me hair out when they were talking about that! I'm like YO, JAY, The guy running for mayor just called EVERYONE who lives in poverty in Gotham CLOWNS on national TV. That's what started the riots JAY. That's why they dressed up like clowns, And yes Arthur's actions eventually led up to that happening it wasn't a direct cause and effect.
Well that and at the very beginning of the movie when he's putting on makeup the radio is talking about how trash is piling up because of like 18 days of striking. The clown boss talks about how everyone is poor and out of jobs. And then major rat infestation happens because of the trash. The radio part is kinda easy to miss ( I watched with subtitles). So the movie certainly slowly builds up to the rioting in steps.
Haven’t seen it, but that just sounds like very heavy handed political commentary to me
@17:14 Oh simple Jay, little would he know what 2020's summer of love would have in store for us later next year ...
"Baby's First Taxi Driver" is the absolute PERFECT way to describe this movie
This week on “Jay didn’t pay attention to half the movie”
The movie isn't that deep.
@@wadebishop1413 Which makes it that much more hilarious that he fucked it up so bad.
@@marcellogenovese199 jay or todd?
There’s not much to get invested in.
He only had HALF IN THE BAG.
Jay Today: "All I have are negative thoughts."
Did anyone else notice every time he had a laughing episode, it was usually followed by a hallucination? Which begs the question, did the people in the train really attack him?
Oh God I never realised this.
That's a good thought but I think it damages the message of the film if that was the intention, so it was probably real
He didn't have a hallucination after his laughing attack in the first scene with his therapist
@@loganobrien6731 some people think the whole movie was a hallucination
@@bluegum6438 I think if it was the intention, the vagueness of the whole thing really helps the film. Cuz like, what this really tells us is that he does hallucinate a lot after a laughing fit. The hallucinations could be completely fake, or maybe a little real, or completely real. Even he doesn't know, and neither could we.
"Did the people in the train really attack him?" becomes a question with no clear answer. That's a big point in the movie's favor.
jokers "religious" experience in the dirty grimy bathroom was incredible the cello music, the neon light, weird tai chi dance amazing! loneliness and isolation is the core of this minor key story its connection to the comics seems almost incidental.
Jay seemed determined to hate it even when Mike was giving good counter arguments.
Jay is criticizing a DC movie because the "regular" people living within the universe want to DO something about their city and it's troubles, while the "regular"people in Marvel movies are just background, and are just going about their lives hoping Superheroes will save them. BTW - these are just movies about comic books. "Don't get goofy on me" (Ed Wood)
@@thevincentgonzalesplan Wow! You said so much, yet so little
@Ricky Nuggets Even Mike liked the movie. And that's totally rich coming from a RLM fan. You just proved my point. Jay's fucking words are not final. He's a just a self indulgent obnoxious know it all that attracts other people with similar personality traits.
@Ricky Nuggets I hate to call projection, but you're literally describing yourself. You're butthurt that people disagree with you.
@Ricky Nuggets fuck off, dumb edgelord
I love when Jay hates something and Mike is just struggling to defend his right to enjoy things
Just like that one Ghost Hunters episode
12SPASTIC12 Except this time it was for something good
@@onnixcarmichele3911 trying at least. this movie ain't sloppy.
I don’t get Jays hate for this movie. It’s a really good movie. The 3 guys who got shot in the subway is based on a actual event that happened in NY. So he is wrong. When that actually happened people were rooting the shooter encouraging it. They claimed they were happy someone was fighting back to crime. He is way over reacting.
@@onnixcarmichele3911 objective quality lol
Well, I came back here to say that Mike was right in his interpretation of the movie's world building logic and how much logic is behind the actions of the citizens. A place, a city where people is living throughout stressful, violent situations everyday and doesn't feel understood by their political class. It only requires a singular event to rebel. That's happening now in different countries and for different reasons rigth now.
Yeah, I still don't get Jay's interpretation, except by assuming he just doesn't want to believe the movie as sincere for coming from a director he (I guess) dislikes.
What a strange episode. Normally I share a lot of Jay's thoughts.
me too
It’s crazy how correct this is
It felt like Jay had decided his opinion on the movie based on the director’s previous work without actively watching it
@@2ndbleak Joker was crap besides the third act
@@2ndbleak
EXACTAMUNDO
"I was unexpectedly surprised"
Mike's a goddamn lyrical genius
Thanks for this lol i am happy now
What do you mean?
Dapstart a surprise is unexpected
@@labieredebuff8953 all surprises are unexpected by definition
@@piemanmoo thanks, i better stop being illiterate pleb.
The news: "oh boy I really hope someone doesn't shoot up this movie, that would get us clicks for MONTHS! This would be such a good movie to shoot up!"
Man I'm so pissed that people haven't fuckin picked up on that. Its dumb college aged millenials and BOOMERS that can't understand that the media doesn't give a fuck about the truth and is there FOR CLICKS.
Yeah I saw that comic too.
@@ectofriend yee it's a good comic
@@Fredlyy Glad you think so.
Now they are complaining about the movie goers being too white lmao
By far, the biggest moment that made me think it's all in his head, is that Sophie left her door unlocked. Anyone who has lived in the city, especially that section of that city and having a kid would NEVER forget to lock the door. Or it would happen so few times that the chances of that particular time lining up with the neighbor stalking her would be virtually nil. But really, she'd never leave that door unlocked. It's city living in an "awful building".
I could be wrong, but I could swear that the first time we see her and her daughter, she unlocks the door on the left side and every time after that the door opens on the right. Bizarre.
Also, the door switches
Watching this in December and getting to Jay saying it's completely unrealistic that one incident could possibly lead to people rising up and rioting, had me laughing far too much...
No. If the wall street guys killed a homeless guy, the metaphor would work. But no, a poor guy murdered three other people. Why would that lead to a riot?
@@bloodyplebs because other poor oppressed people just like Arthur finally have a voice
@@eziospaghettiauditore8369 this makes no sense. Murder is not a voice. Murder is a horrible crime.
@@bloodyplebs Wow, so brave of you to say that. I think murder is really cool and funny
@@cheeseguru1017 thanks, someone had to say it.
" I forgot to PUNCH OUT"
I remember that from BREAKING AWAY.
That and the burglar joke was funny.
the reason why everyone is dressed up as clowns is because Wayne insulted the lower class, calling them all clowns
@Redresseny Nah, he did, but he let his hatred and dispassion fuel his bullshit opinion. Jay is my boy but he needs to go fuck a fuck.
It makes perfect sense remember that time trump called the the lower class pigs so thousands of violent protesters marched through the streets while dressed as pigs
@@jebbryant6522 when did this happen
Cam Medina
the concept of sarcasm
^
^
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Your head
@@jebbryant6522 that's not sarcasm you buffoon
It's a ripoff of early Scorsese's movie without the context talents and depth that made those so compelling.
There's a nervous system condition called pseudobulbar affect which is characterized by uncontrollable and inappropriate laughing and crying. It's a trip, but it's a real thing.
Jay: I don't like the director therefore this movie is bad.
I mean he's an extremely biased person
The first time I tried to watch Red Letter, I knew I wouldn’t like them because of how overrated they are and wrong in their reviews. Dunno why people enjoy these guys.
@@ThatCreeNative1 Yeah, but don't admit that here. They have the most toxic fanbase out there
Mike liked it. Also, Jay doesn’t have to like it. I did.
Also, Todd Phillips did something very few directors pull off successfully. Changed genres and found success there.
"Oh no, we lost Marty?"
The curse has begun.
Oh no..
They better not have. Who will make good movies then.
Oh fuck. I hope this doesn't ends up in r/agedlikemilk
At least if he does go (God and Satan pls no), he went out on a high note with producing Joker and making The Irishman (which, of course, isn't out yet but looks great).
If the reports mention a small alcoholic who laughs like a hyena, we'll know the guy.
It really helped not knowing it was the Hangover director until after the film. He did a great job and I thought it was an amazing looking movie, great cinematography, amazing music... Jay seems to want to dislike it regardless which is always hard opion to change. It's a 10/10 for me, incredible origin story and character study.
I didn't want to dislike it. I wanted to like it. But I have no choice but to dislike it.
My thumb hurts from having to re-like RLM videos that I’ve Liked moons-over-my-hammy.
I'm usually in the Jay camp with these reviews but here it seems like Jay was being intentionally obtuse.
Yeah it's like he intentionally dumbs down everything in the movie.
Agreed.
@@alexjones7043 agreed.
The fact that he wasn't able to properly put into words why "the first 1.5 hours were sloppy" other than that it lacked build-up, to which mike gracefully responds exactly what I was thinking (they took 2 hours!), shows how he didn't want to accept that Todd Phillips made a fine movie.
Nope, the movie is just shit
I'm glad they were able to watch the movie without being murdered.
My expectations were though. RIP
I’m not. 1/10
Gamers didn't rise up
Mission failed we'll get em next time
Oh, they were murdered at the screaming. They just still showed up after their death to review the movie.
That is what we call commitment.
It's almost as if journalists were fear mongering and trying to meme a shooting into existence for clicks 🤔
17:02 There were hints of tension on the streets from the begining man
This isn't the Joker, this is a completely different character.
"Now that the movie is out, those people look like complete buffoons."
Missed opportunity to say "they look like clowns."
Probably trying not to spark an uprising =T
Hacks
Only Mike would have such daring audacity to pull that off
👍
They don’t want their headquarters to be mobbed by poor people in clown masks.
I don't think I've seen Mike and Jay disagree this much on a film.
They have before, but i cant remember for the life of me what movie it was.
In the Jurassic World review they were completely at odds.
Their Re:views of the Blair Witch and Escape from New York
If anything, I like when they don't completely agree on a movie. It makes the film they're reviewing that much more interesting if it can get this kind of reaction.
@@TheDakattack3000 Read that as Blair Witch: Escape from New York and now I want to see that film.
to be honest i was surprised nobody shot up a theater simply because of all the hype...
I feel like Jay says that a lot of things in the movie need to be built up but then right at the beginning he claims that the twist of Arthur’s relationship was too obvious. I feel like if it was just a straight up twist he would say “i wish they sprinkled in some clues that he’s delusional”
“Now THIS is the power of math”
-Joker, 2019
Something something "society"
-gamer joker 2019
"SCIENCE! FUCK YEAH!"
"Now THIS is podracing!"
- Joker, 2019
1:54 "KHAAAAAN! KHAAAAAAAAAAAN!"
"I like clowns"
Not saying Joker was a perfect movie, but it definitely wasn’t as bad as Jay was saying. Usually agree with these fellas but I feel like Jay went in wanting to dislike the movie
The Forgotten Ones i think that’s the joke
It does feel like he wanted to dislike it rather than viewed it with a critical eye. I disagree with almost everything he says in this review.
Yeah I agree. I have A LOT of criticisms of the movie and it’s definitely overrated but is still a good film overall, and really saying anything other than that just shows an inherent bias against the film
I didn't like it much. Felt like the climax was too close to the end and there wasn't a proper descent from that. There was a couple scenes I really liked, but the movie was just too slow. It spent a lot of time laying the groundwork, but I dont think it paid off well enough.
@Jaigarful I can agree with that. For a film titled “Joker” he only really becomes Joker in the last 20 minutes, and even then he’s more of a bumbling bafoon than a criminal mastermind. It’d be the equivalent of Batman only ever putting on the costume in the in the final battle of Batman Begins. It feels like the script was originally designed to be a Taxi Driver reboot (as the story structure is almost identical, and some of the scenes are even almost shot for shot the same), and then Warner Bros redesigned it to squeeze in the Joker and make it a supervillain movie so it’d sell more tickets.
"I don't believe you've ever cried in your life."
👁👄👁
"age of reactions" is brilliance
"SPOOKY CLOWN SCARE MEEEEEEE!" is so funny to me i can't really explain it
you laugh just to stop from shitting your pants in terror