Well, I didn’t like Joker

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  • čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
  • Don’t worry I promise my next video will be about something way more topical and interesting like A Dog's Purpose or Halloween spider decorations!
    Ways in which Joker (2019) is the same as Mamma Mia! (2008):
    Leading women named Sophie / jennynicholson
    Dancing / jennyenicholson
    A mother’s relationship to her child is strained by her failure to inform her child of their father’s identity / progamerjenny
    Focus on the protagonist’s financial struggles / spider_jewel
    Uproarious laughter / spiderjewel
    Super rats / jennynicholsonvids
  • Krátké a kreslené filmy

Komentáře • 17K

  • @moonydoll7109
    @moonydoll7109 Před 4 lety +26554

    Jenny, obviously you don't understand. The Joker is weird. He's a weirdo. He doesn't fit in and he doesn't want to fit in. Have you ever seen him without that stupid wig on? That's weird, he's weird.

    • @radhapatel217
      @radhapatel217 Před 4 lety +1203

      Riverdale was such a train wreck, but you just can't look away

    • @ldragon8480
      @ldragon8480 Před 4 lety +170

      I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not...

    • @SpontainiousHugs4U
      @SpontainiousHugs4U Před 4 lety +1540

      He goes crazy because he doesn’t know the epic highs and lows of high school football

    • @briangriffith4574
      @briangriffith4574 Před 4 lety +196

      My favorite part is when joker was dancing to jailhouse rock

    • @ldragon8480
      @ldragon8480 Před 4 lety +9

      @@BooksRebound thanks!

  • @RoboBoddicker
    @RoboBoddicker Před 4 lety +13577

    Speaking as a child of the 80s, the decade was a golden age for clowns. There were 3 clowns for every kid. My personal clown attendant would tuck me into bed each night, and cart me to school each morning on his unicycle. This was at no trivial cost to my working-class parents, of course, but what choice did they have? Any kid without a clown would be laughed out of school, and would run a major risk of becoming a twisted "dark clown."

    • @mastermarkus5307
      @mastermarkus5307 Před 4 lety +361

      This comment deserves more attention.

    • @themightysven
      @themightysven Před 4 lety +692

      There was a point in 80-81 where if you through all the clowns in the ocean, you'd be able to walk from New York to Miami without getting your feet wet. Lots of honking noise though.

    • @noeramirez7575
      @noeramirez7575 Před 4 lety +71

      This made me laugh so hard!

    • @slowbotdrone
      @slowbotdrone Před 4 lety +153

      I'm glad I wasn't the only one that grew up this way.

    • @oppie2363
      @oppie2363 Před 4 lety +264

      Honestly the most upsetting part of this video is that Jenny endorses the hiring of scab clowns.

  • @vivadiscordia
    @vivadiscordia Před rokem +9968

    Man, this was a funny and lighthearted movie critique. I sure hope no moviebro uploads an 11 hour 44 minute long response video

    • @vivadiscordia
      @vivadiscordia Před rokem +1002

      oh no

    • @quietnerdything
      @quietnerdything Před rokem +1343

      Oh, is that what’s up? I was wondering why there was a influx of incels up in these comments.

    • @CNWhatImSaiyan
      @CNWhatImSaiyan Před rokem +62

      Wink!

    • @RevolutionaryLoser
      @RevolutionaryLoser Před rokem +191

      LMAO. What are the chances of that? Right?

    • @suchmouse
      @suchmouse Před rokem +218

      @@quietnerdything calling any male who disagrees with you an incel, yikes...

  • @HeavenlyHavoc
    @HeavenlyHavoc Před 2 lety +5667

    The biggest problem with making a character study about a "crazy" person like Joker is that most movie writers don't realize that "crazy" people still have an internal logic to their thoughts and actions, even if that internal logic is errant. They're not just acting randomly, there's always a cogent thought process there, even if others don't understand it.

    • @sillyd0g
      @sillyd0g Před 2 lety +476

      exactly! like i've had my fair share of delusions and irrational thoughts thanks to mental illness, but my brain isn't just random disconnected scribbles. i have a lot of problems with magical thinking bc of my ocd but even though i know objectively that those thoughts i'm having are borne of mental illness, my brain still manages to make it seem rational and logical in the moment. if i were able to just dismiss all my crazy or intrusive thoughts and recognize them as irrational while i am having them, i wouldn't be mentally ill.
      i also feel like it's such a cop out and a tell re: the lack of research on mental illness that was done in the writing of this film that arthur's problems feel very much like a random assortment of symptoms of various disorders and that he's generically Crazy. i'm not saying they necessarily needed to give him a canonical diagnosis but the could've at least chosen the symptoms of a specific disorder to assign to him instead of making him just. Nonspecific Crazy Person.

    • @MelodyMecato6156
      @MelodyMecato6156 Před 2 lety +24

      Is this some kind of scientific proven fact, with research done on every single person on the planet, or is it something you just made up?

    • @HeavenlyHavoc
      @HeavenlyHavoc Před 2 lety +547

      @@MelodyMecato6156 I'm sorry, are you asking if it's scientifically proven that human beings with disorders have thoughts behind their actions?? Hate to be the one to break it to you but we had this covered before it was known that the brain was responsible for thought.

    • @MelodyMecato6156
      @MelodyMecato6156 Před 2 lety +22

      @@HeavenlyHavoc That is one hilarious strawman lol. I never said disordered people can't have thoughts behind their actions, I was arguing the possibility that not all of them HAVE to have consistant logic. Insanity is a thing; did you know that it's a thing? Incredible concept, I know lmao

    • @MelodyMecato6156
      @MelodyMecato6156 Před 2 lety +35

      @@HeavenlyHavoc Heck, idk why I'm limiting this to insane people; NORMAL people don't always have consistant logic lol

  • @Onesmartcookie78429
    @Onesmartcookie78429 Před 4 lety +5353

    alternate joker movie title: arthur's terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day

    • @ArturGlass.C
      @ArturGlass.C Před 4 lety +61

      That sums it up

    • @kokopuppy57342
      @kokopuppy57342 Před 4 lety +89

      You forgot terrible. Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day

    • @connordaniel8394
      @connordaniel8394 Před 4 lety +21

      You're a gem

    • @PanAndScanBuddy
      @PanAndScanBuddy Před 4 lety +14

      Unfortunately they made a movie out of the book you're referencing. So that would be confusing.

    • @Onesmartcookie78429
      @Onesmartcookie78429 Před 4 lety +93

      @@PanAndScanBuddy yes, and it's called "The Joker"

  • @jessicastrike5640
    @jessicastrike5640 Před 4 lety +12104

    I still wish they called this film Arthur
    Imagine how cool that line “introduce me as Joker” would be at the end not knowing it was a Joker film

    • @renge5589
      @renge5589 Před 3 lety +1420

      *woah*
      that would be a high level twist

    • @gigleorex
      @gigleorex Před 3 lety +1408

      But nobody would've been interested in it. :T

    • @Lucivius27
      @Lucivius27 Před 3 lety +651

      @@gigleorex Word of mouth would do it.

    • @damax1862
      @damax1862 Před 3 lety +863

      I still think it would've been pretty obvious since it was still in Gotham and involves the Waynes...

    • @johnjamele
      @johnjamele Před 3 lety +533

      @@Lucivius27 oh please. Call it "Arthur" instead of "Joker" and it makes half as much money.

  • @tristantries9211
    @tristantries9211 Před 2 lety +2347

    The joker overlaid on mama Mia was actually hilarious

    • @amartyakejora5451
      @amartyakejora5451 Před 2 lety +48

      now i want the cast, crew & writers of joker to make a mama mia sequel and the cast crew & writers of mama mia to make a joker sequel. and it be released on the same day.

    • @lillianward2810
      @lillianward2810 Před rokem +3

      Absolutely

    • @becauseimafan
      @becauseimafan Před rokem +9

      I laughed so much at that part! 😂😂😂

    • @sethrogaine
      @sethrogaine Před rokem +2

      Bazinga funny right

    • @makeitthrough_
      @makeitthrough_ Před 7 měsíci +12

      ​@@sethrogaineMald

  • @angeljcs
    @angeljcs Před 2 lety +2006

    personally jenny i think that the movie was wonderfully crafted. a key component in the movie you might have missed that basically affects all the plot points is that, at his core, the joker is a creep. he's a weirdo. what the hell is he doing here? he doesn't belong here.

    • @Emilightning
      @Emilightning Před 2 lety +304

      Agreed; it's almost like the Joker was used as a publicised audio loudspeaking device for Society's internal thoughts... a "radio head", if you will.???.?

    • @emalaw1329
      @emalaw1329 Před rokem +37

      @@Emilightning I wish that was the actual etymology behind their name, instead of a ska number from a mid Talking Heads album

    • @Oscar_Milde
      @Oscar_Milde Před rokem +11

      @@emalaw1329 imo that makes it so much better

    • @purpleisdebeste
      @purpleisdebeste Před 11 měsíci +2

      you see, the joker is weird. he's a weirdo. he doesn't fit in, and he doesn't want to fit in. have you ever seen him without that stupid face paint? that's weird.

    • @MarmaladeMagnolia
      @MarmaladeMagnolia Před 10 měsíci +112

      I’m a crepe
      I’m a weirdough
      What the hell am I doughing here?
      I donut belong here

  • @kaidurantvaldez5551
    @kaidurantvaldez5551 Před 4 lety +9177

    Before Joker, I didn’t know we lived in a society

    • @Chipiliro613
      @Chipiliro613 Před 3 lety +149

      And yet...we live in one.

    • @josephroszell
      @josephroszell Před 3 lety +282

      You need a very high iq to appreciate that we live in a society

    • @eggi4443
      @eggi4443 Před 3 lety +173

      @@josephroszell yes, this is a very deep movie for very smart people

    • @Neimonster
      @Neimonster Před 3 lety +167

      @@eggi4443 it's the pickle rick of cinema

    • @sweettea-ms7ex
      @sweettea-ms7ex Před 3 lety +64

      Get a load of this society!

  • @ian_b
    @ian_b Před 3 lety +4979

    You don't get it. It's a searing indictment of the clown industry.

  • @kevthepoet
    @kevthepoet Před 2 lety +1221

    "Before you get really angry, but you will still get angry..." LMFAO at how she predicted the backlash.

    • @armoni9745
      @armoni9745 Před 2 lety +161

      Trusting a bunch of sour reddit bros to get inconceivably pissed when someone tells them their world view and tastes aren't 100% on point is one of the most predictable things in the known universe.

    • @justsomegirlwithoutamustache
      @justsomegirlwithoutamustache Před rokem +6

      @@armoni9745 How is her opinion 100% on point then?

    • @SHINXANTA
      @SHINXANTA Před rokem +11

      @@armoni9745 It's not exclusively because of that. She also has points that are straight up incorrect because she didn't pay attention to the movie properly.
      For example at 14:11: "breaking out of the cop car, seemingly by coincidence." Like... it wasn't by coincidence and he didn' break out. The mob rammed a truck into the cop car to rescue him deliberately, and he was severely injured because of it.
      And then right after at 15:25, when she talks about his motivations being unclear along with the reason why he kills, she ends her statement with "usually just because they wronged him." But... that's exactly why. That's not unclear, he did every murder in the movie because he was wronged by the person he kills. The three rich kids, his mother, Randall... they all wronged or hurt him personally. That's a concrete reason that is basically directly stated by him.
      You see what I mean? This review is getting some overreactions for sure, but some of her points are heavily flawed or just completely incorrect. Of course people are going to get upset if she's misinterpreting scenes and then using that to criticize the movie.

    • @bandidocavalier
      @bandidocavalier Před rokem +60

      @@SHINXANTA you mad 👍

    • @leaffinite3828
      @leaffinite3828 Před 11 měsíci +2

      ​@Just Some Girl Without A Mustache it doesnt have to be for anything anyones saying here to be correct

  • @TheNazgulandMacbeth
    @TheNazgulandMacbeth Před rokem +826

    "That's what happens when you try to make serious movies out of a thing made for kids 80 years ago" is my favorite line of this video lol

    • @dropssky
      @dropssky Před 11 měsíci +9

      And she says that like she's in the majority lmao

    • @vmoonlight4962
      @vmoonlight4962 Před 9 měsíci +7

      😂 You seem like you are one of the people who will give a hard time to people like Arthur. I can tell you dont like the movie. Kindness is cool, "you wouldn't get it"

    • @KD-ou2np
      @KD-ou2np Před 8 měsíci +57

      ​@dkdraper ?? Lol wtf do you mean by that? What "majority"?

    • @soldiaz7261
      @soldiaz7261 Před 8 měsíci +68

      @@vmoonlight4962please log off and stop making up ways everyone else is bad. it was a joke and an opinion on a movie that had absolutely nothing to do with whether people support or bully weirdos. also, the movie isn’t an indie production made by and for weirdos, it’s a blockbuster for an expensive and mainstream intellectual property starring Joaquin Phoenix. you’re reaching hard.

    • @vmoonlight4962
      @vmoonlight4962 Před 8 měsíci +4

      @@soldiaz7261 you would not get it

  • @kirah2602
    @kirah2602 Před 4 lety +6397

    release the video about a dogs purpose trilogy jenny
    release it

  • @raediation3016
    @raediation3016 Před 4 lety +7318

    when bruce was standing alone in that ally at the end there was a super rat walking around behind him and all I could imagine was Bruce getting bitten by the rat and that this is the alternate universe where we have Rat Man

    • @Kona696
      @Kona696 Před 4 lety +153

      raeanne moffat in my version of the movie that exists only in my head that rat.... is Pizza Rat

    • @themossycobble1903
      @themossycobble1903 Před 4 lety +178

      @@Kona696 Master Splinter??

    • @sokkvabekkr5973
      @sokkvabekkr5973 Před 4 lety +57

      rat man is real

    • @ProxyDoug
      @ProxyDoug Před 4 lety +18

      So that's what makes good rat.

    • @Aaron-mj9ie
      @Aaron-mj9ie Před 4 lety +141

      "I am an agent of the night... Wherever there is injustice, I shall be there... Whenever you need a hole chewed in your wall, I'll be there... Whenever you need something to scare your wife at 3am by rustling around in the trash, I'll be there... I am the dark Knight! I am Ratman!"

  • @Fishdogpigsquirrel
    @Fishdogpigsquirrel Před měsícem +128

    Joker brought a "Im 14 this is deep" sorta vibe to the viewing party

    • @jeffersonadams8711
      @jeffersonadams8711 Před měsícem +5

      So do most of Jenny's movie reviews. At least she's switched to reviewing closed-down theme parks now, which is more in her intellectual wheelhouse. 😂

    • @tastelessjonjon3734
      @tastelessjonjon3734 Před měsícem +12

      @@jeffersonadams8711 girl shut up omfg

    • @darkvioletskull
      @darkvioletskull Před 22 dny +37

      @@jeffersonadams8711🍼

    • @aztn19
      @aztn19 Před 18 dny +6

      Very well put!! Joker 2019 is as shallow as a puddle

    • @centimix
      @centimix Před 3 dny +4

      @@jeffersonadams8711only difference being that one of those things is supposed to be a literal blockbuster feature film and the other one is just a youtube video w her opinion. weird take.

  • @bogwife7942
    @bogwife7942 Před 7 měsíci +401

    the joker struck me as a movie that's supposed to have some kind of hard hitting message, but they forgot to put the message in so its just an hour and a half of weird uncomfortable stuff happening

    • @ibtarnine
      @ibtarnine Před 5 měsíci +8

      it had a message, but it wasn't for you.

    • @bogwife7942
      @bogwife7942 Před 5 měsíci +92

      @@ibtarnine ok lol. have you considered that maybe the reason other people aren't picking up on the message you're getting is because you're actually just projecting.

    • @ibtarnine
      @ibtarnine Před 5 měsíci +5

      @@bogwife7942 that isn't why. i don't criticize fiction geared towards women just because the message doesn't speak to me personally as a man, i just accept that it's not for me and i read something else. why can't you do the same?

    • @eternityriley1833
      @eternityriley1833 Před 5 měsíci +6

      😆Right!

    • @alexwyatt2911
      @alexwyatt2911 Před 5 měsíci +83

      @@ibtarnine So, your rationalization is that this movie is just beyond women’s comprehension? Lol

  • @karlc5719
    @karlc5719 Před 4 lety +2903

    Clown college takes years of dedication and is no laughing matter.

    • @linuxelf
      @linuxelf Před 4 lety +198

      I'll thank you not to refer to Princeton that way.

    • @koboldcatgirl
      @koboldcatgirl Před 4 lety +95

      I'm super pissed at Jenny for suggesting that anyone hire clown scabs. If they aren't a licensed clown, show them the damn door!

    • @WhatRobodoom
      @WhatRobodoom Před 4 lety +124

      and to graduate it is no small feet

    • @basementbats
      @basementbats Před 4 lety +10

      hahaha i was genuinely convinced of this after watching steve-o’s video on going to clown college

    • @rollerkosta9491
      @rollerkosta9491 Před 4 lety +6

      “You can say that again pal”

  • @yoonabomma
    @yoonabomma Před 4 lety +9524

    oh god i really hope "a dog's purpose" trilogy analysis isn't off the table

    • @thelonelydirector
      @thelonelydirector Před 4 lety +93

      Please... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do this!!! :)

    • @pattheplanter
      @pattheplanter Před 4 lety +296

      "A Christmas Prince: The Royal Baby" is due on December 5th 2019, so another trilogy analysis I am anticipating.

    • @NomNomPhenomenom
      @NomNomPhenomenom Před 4 lety +59

      please jenny me and my mum need that analysis

    • @ItsJenniBear
      @ItsJenniBear Před 4 lety +79

      averi pleaaase i work in film and the film industry in my city ONLY talk about a dogs purpose because it was a movie heavily made in my city and like
      I HEAR TOO MANY PEOPLE STROKING THEMSELVES ABOUT HOW THEYVE WORKED ON A DOGS PURPOSE i just want jenny to tear it apart gh

    • @ohhello2526
      @ohhello2526 Před 4 lety

      Me too

  • @ariannatorres3799
    @ariannatorres3799 Před rokem +231

    I had to come back to this video now that I work in publicly funded behavioral health to say that, unfortunately, the therapist kinda is realistic. There is a weird amount of people who have no compassion for anyone they work with and yet complain about feeling persecuted by the system we work in

    • @lillianward2810
      @lillianward2810 Před 7 měsíci +20

      I work in an adjacent field (Medicaid services for people with disabilities) and man, fucking SAME.

    • @bobjones2959
      @bobjones2959 Před 4 měsíci +20

      I went to a mental health counsellor and they straight up said they only became a mental health counsellor because it was easy to get into and didn't require a lot of work. I think it might've been an attempt at trying to connect with me since I was honestly saying some really cynical things to her, but honestly, all it really ended up doing was convincing me more than before how shit the mental health system was in my country.

    • @ariannatorres3799
      @ariannatorres3799 Před 4 měsíci +6

      @@bobjones2959 that sucks man, I don't know where you are now in life, but I'll tell you that you're right to be cynical about the system, but you're worth not giving up on, even if it means interacting with insincere people

    • @bobjones2959
      @bobjones2959 Před 4 měsíci

      @@ariannatorres3799Thanks!

    • @jesspavlichenko5745
      @jesspavlichenko5745 Před 2 měsíci +4

      ​@@bobjones2959Wh.. what kind of mental health counsellor were they? Did they have a license? Were they a psychotherapist? What country do you live in?
      I've been in school for years to become a counsellor and it is by no means an easy process. You need a bachelor's and a masters (in my country anyway) to become a registered psychotherapist/counsellor

  • @Simon_E32
    @Simon_E32 Před 2 lety +2007

    Watching through this video and reading the negative comments is funny, because for the few people who disagreed and gave their interpretation of what the movie "actually meant" gave WILDLY different answers. It's almost like the film didn't actually have anything concrete to say and people projected their own feelings onto it.

    • @ericpalacios920
      @ericpalacios920 Před 2 lety +283

      There's something worrisome about the amount of people fiercely defending this movie. Like alright, I liked it to an extent, but there's nothing deep about it. It says nothing. It's like the film equivalent of a horoscope, where it justifies whatever opinions you already had about society because it flirts with so many messages but refuses to commit to any.

    • @truedarkness4052
      @truedarkness4052 Před 2 lety +58

      I mean isn't that the case with most movies, people can take something completely different away from a film and points to substantiate it? That doesn't necessarily mean that the film had nothing concrete to say. It may have been heavy handed, but the message is still there in enough scenes to be concrete enough to see

    • @austingoyne3039
      @austingoyne3039 Před 2 lety +70

      "The people who gave their interpretation of Virginia Woolf's To The Lighthouse gave wildly different answers. It's almost like the book didn't have anything concrete to say."
      I'm not comparing Joker to post-modern Lit, but can you see the problem with that statement?

    • @modasserarmani7903
      @modasserarmani7903 Před 2 lety +13

      Which is not a bad thing it’s ambiguous.

    • @knowledgeanddefense1054
      @knowledgeanddefense1054 Před 2 lety +24

      Can't you say that about something like 2001: A Space Odyssey, too?

  • @ActuallyNotHayden
    @ActuallyNotHayden Před 4 lety +2031

    Murray died for putting Arthur in his cringe compilation

    • @MaxIronsThird
      @MaxIronsThird Před 4 lety +87

      Not really, he was going to kill himself in front of Murray because of that, but then he got so into his nerves and wouldn't stop confronting him, and Arthur(Joker by that point) just said enough and offed him.

    • @azrieldawson7377
      @azrieldawson7377 Před 4 lety +98

      We live in a society, Murreh

    • @guyr3618
      @guyr3618 Před 4 lety +154

      Murray died for not calling security the moment Arthur said he killed people.

    • @guineapig55555
      @guineapig55555 Před 4 lety +44

      @@guyr3618 and screw up his ratings?

    • @JohnMiller-sr7dk
      @JohnMiller-sr7dk Před 4 lety +36

      Guy R yah that was kinda dumb.....they let Arthur go on ranting for like 10 minutes, and didn’t cut the feed once he started shooting 😂

  • @poorangus8584
    @poorangus8584 Před 4 lety +10562

    Jenny, you can’t just hire an unlicensed clown for your store closing sale. That’s how you get big trouble with the clown unions.

    • @tommenno
      @tommenno Před 3 lety +240

      I mean you make it sound like a joke, but this happened in new york in the old days with garbage men.

    • @thephantombutterfly6
      @thephantombutterfly6 Před 3 lety +179

      They're called Clown Guilds actually.......
      lol

    • @ameliasv222
      @ameliasv222 Před 3 lety +72

      I know, she lost all credibility for me with that statement.😒🙄🙃

    • @chocolatecharley99
      @chocolatecharley99 Před 3 lety +51

      @@tommenno Yeah but that'd make sense because we need waste collectors (like really badly).

    • @ethanomcbride
      @ethanomcbride Před 3 lety +10

      Biggie Cheese is that you?

  • @kittymonkey2856
    @kittymonkey2856 Před 2 lety +915

    My biggest problem with this movie was it didn’t feel like a movie about the joker, it felt like a movie to just show off Joaquin phoenix method acting for 2 hours. I don’t think we should praise actors for drastic weight loss or gain and that they go borderline insane for a roll.

    • @codafett
      @codafett Před 2 lety +52

      Basically. I was extremely bored with this movie until he put on the makeup because then it was suddenly a Joker movie.

    • @justsomegirlwithoutamustache
      @justsomegirlwithoutamustache Před rokem +6

      *Role. And is that all you boiled the movie down to? A show off?

    • @rae-everything
      @rae-everything Před rokem +6

      @@Psychedelicgothicpink I thought the ending was cartoonish, but maybe that was just the dated CGI.

    • @cockoffgewgle4993
      @cockoffgewgle4993 Před rokem +5

      No, we should praise actors for giving great performances. Which is what we're doing in this case.

    • @ayloniemeyer4762
      @ayloniemeyer4762 Před rokem +44

      Yes, not to mention praising method acting for THE JOKER of all characters is something that has, historically speaking, gone very wrong before.

  • @_l3rN
    @_l3rN Před 2 lety +179

    I'm still holding out hope for that Dog's Purpose trilogy video

  • @AuroraExhale
    @AuroraExhale Před 4 lety +4536

    My favorite part of the joker is Meryl Streep defeating Batman with a single flail of her scarf

    • @p1nkfreud
      @p1nkfreud Před 3 lety +158

      The whole theater stood up and clapped!

    • @TallTapper
      @TallTapper Před 3 lety +76

      and yet another nomination

    • @Riprake
      @Riprake Před 3 lety +34

      In the words of Honest Trailers, "Yikes! He better find Batman quick... before he turns twelve and overpowers him!"

    • @faewashere
      @faewashere Před 3 lety +11

      and the actor who played Batman: Albert Einstein

    • @soaribb32
      @soaribb32 Před 3 lety +7

      *Groundbreaking...*

  • @acewingate6993
    @acewingate6993 Před 4 lety +2290

    joker isn't like other girls

    • @deereye87
      @deereye87 Před 4 lety +128

      Taylor Bold
      He’s _quirky_

    • @tylerf.145
      @tylerf.145 Před 4 lety +41

      That's the whole movie aldbdksn

    • @yungyosef
      @yungyosef Před 4 lety +33

      He’s the Joker Baby!

    • @somedude8346
      @somedude8346 Před 4 lety +19

      We live in a society where people like me talk about no one thinking about the other guy while not thinking about the other guy-da joker baby

    • @kilgoretrout3966
      @kilgoretrout3966 Před 4 lety +4

      "can't fight the Joker"

  • @jayh825
    @jayh825 Před 2 lety +799

    She was so right and they hated her for it lol

    • @Grandmaster_Dragonborn
      @Grandmaster_Dragonborn Před 2 lety +19

      No, hate’s a strong word. I *don’t like* this video cause it’s heavily flawed :)

    • @joedatius
      @joedatius Před 2 lety +98

      @@Grandmaster_Dragonborn how is it heavily flawed?
      also don't use your opinions
      Challenge level impossible.

    • @Grandmaster_Dragonborn
      @Grandmaster_Dragonborn Před 2 lety +15

      @@joedatius Challenge you say? I think this is getting off to a bad start already. This isn’t a challenge, this is a talk.
      Yes I find this video heavily flawed. She states quite a number of things about Joker that makes me question whether we watched the same film.

    • @joedatius
      @joedatius Před 2 lety +75

      @@Grandmaster_Dragonborn okay like what?

    • @Grandmaster_Dragonborn
      @Grandmaster_Dragonborn Před 2 lety +16

      @@joedatius For one: The idea there wasn’t a natural progression from Arthur being depressed and suffering to deciding to becoming the Joker.
      I find that ridiculous; Arthur’s progression into the Joker was natural and executed brilliantly. Take one scene out & it all falls apart.

  • @Varooooooom
    @Varooooooom Před 9 měsíci +90

    On the note of Arthur going “What do you get when you take a mentally ill person…” and how “mentally ill” was too tame as far as language goes for the supposed time period: One thing this movie was sorely lacking is colorful dialogue. So many people in the period between 1920 and 1980 spoke with such verbose vocabulary.
    Part of the appeal with Heath Ledger’s version of the Joker is how impactful each and every line of his dialogue is. If it wasn’t some deep insight that put a piece into the puzzle of his personality, it was language that took a concept and made it fucked up in a slightly comedic angle. “Why don’t we cut you up into little pieces and feed you to your pooches? Then we’ll see how loyal a hungry dog really is.” Like goddamn. Not to mention the amount of references to gambling/deck of cards are in his dialogue. He absorbed the wild card nature of the Joker.
    In this movie, you could replace “mentally ill person” with “someone who isn’t wrapped too tight” or “a person who’s on the brink of insanity” or some other equivalent and, with the right performance, it would’ve made the scene so much more impactful and character-defining. Same goes for much of the other dialogue in this movie.

    • @_Mojius_
      @_Mojius_ Před 5 dny +7

      YES. Finally someone who finally gets it. "A society who treats him like trash?" Oh my god.. It's so fucking cringe. How does shit like this pass through the producers??

    • @Varooooooom
      @Varooooooom Před 5 dny +4

      @@_Mojius_ Something about script-writing in media has just been so weirdly lazy and by-the-books in recent years. Even great blockbusters like Barbie and Everything Everywhere kind of have their writing a bit easy because everything is so meta- and multiverse-pilled nowadays, so writing in that way is kinda really easy right now.
      I feel like it shouldn’t be this difficult to get writing and performances that don’t feel reminiscent of modern problems/talking points 😭

    • @sheildingepicness
      @sheildingepicness Před 2 dny

      This is something the mauler fans who just gatekeep ip’s will never understand

  • @PaulOxborrow
    @PaulOxborrow Před 4 lety +2622

    True story: In the early 2000's I worked as a clown for a clown agency.
    We handed out pamphlets, worked at malls, supermarkets, birthday parties etc etc.
    It's totally a thing.

    • @snowdoll622
      @snowdoll622 Před 4 lety +145

      Paul Oxborrow if Jenny hasn’t heard of it, it’s not true.

    • @thankyou3849
      @thankyou3849 Před 4 lety +139

      It's true I was the pamphlets

    • @fabiancalderon6729
      @fabiancalderon6729 Před 4 lety +4

      Hey
      That's my reddit copypasta

    • @TwilightFlip
      @TwilightFlip Před 4 lety +4

      Was it fun?

    • @PaulOxborrow
      @PaulOxborrow Před 4 lety +79

      @@TwilightFlip Yes! There were about 30 of us. All students at the time, money was good, work was easy.

  • @alexandraarcher
    @alexandraarcher Před 4 lety +2578

    Just wanted to let you know that I searched "Mamma Mia" looking for the song and this was the 6th video from the top

  • @user-qq3ec1ve5q
    @user-qq3ec1ve5q Před 2 lety +270

    I really like her take on this. When I saw the film in the theater’s I was thinking that there’s too many dance scenes and they felt kind of pointless. When I brought it up with those who I was watching the film with, they mentioned that it’s because he’s crazy. Which is pretty vague.
    To me it seemed like the reason for those dancing scenes to exist was just to show to the audience that “man slowly dancing alone with somber music in the background” indicates craziness.

    • @joedatius
      @joedatius Před 2 lety +4

      for a movie apparently about mental illness it doesn't seem to actual care about how mental illness works or effects people. it just cares about what seems the most "crazy"
      oh my god he's seeing people who aren't there, he's CRAZY
      oh my god he's dancing around by himself he's CRAZY

    • @user-qq3ec1ve5q
      @user-qq3ec1ve5q Před 2 lety

      @@joedatius yeah

    • @mammoneymelon
      @mammoneymelon Před rokem +13

      random guy #7 when they find out everyone has coping mechanisms and just because dancing in public is a little odd, it doesn't make someone "crazy". multiple dance scenes would be fine if they were all framed as a dramatic turning point, but i think it would have been best to have ONE dance scene to indicate the superego losing grasp and the id taking over (i know that's not really a super respected theory but i literally couldn't find a better way to phrase it without demonizing people with mental disorders lol). also the trailer version was superior lol

    • @erich6073
      @erich6073 Před rokem +21

      Yeah, people like defending the movie as "He was an unreliable narrator!" as if that guards it from all criticism, but stories with unreliable narrators still have to be saying something. Lolita has an unreliable narrator and still has a pretty clear point of view. Joker has no idea what it's about...just Todd Phillips using a "crazy" character as a mouthpiece for all of Phillip's ill-founded frustrations.

  • @resortlaps8531
    @resortlaps8531 Před 2 lety +802

    Imagine having a well rounded, well presented, clear critique of a movie, and then three incels make a twelve hour podcast about how wrong you are

    • @Hail_Fall
      @Hail_Fall Před 2 lety +9

      Which podcast?

    • @HK-07
      @HK-07 Před 2 lety +26

      *a trio of vastly more intelligent and experienced individuals
      And only a portion of the podcast was responding to her. It was 2-3 hours long

    • @Hail_Fall
      @Hail_Fall Před 2 lety +37

      @@HK-07 begone gamergate refugee

    • @resortlaps8531
      @resortlaps8531 Před 2 lety +16

      @@HK-07 that’s still way too long to talk about someone else’s opinion. I listened to the podcast. They’re a bunch of weirdos

    • @zoyasexycool
      @zoyasexycool Před 2 lety +5

      @@resortlaps8531 what podcast was it

  • @gaphic
    @gaphic Před 4 lety +3297

    'its just that when a comedian says 'nobody likes my jokes because they're offended' my brain automatically filters that as 'nobody likes my jokes,' which is a good warning to receive from a comedian'
    the most efficient analysis of butthurt comedian culture i've ever seen

    • @theteethburglar4716
      @theteethburglar4716 Před 3 lety +164

      It reminds me of a saying “No one can be offended so much that they laugh”

    • @funkyfranx
      @funkyfranx Před 3 lety +20

      It’s true though, what with cancel culture and all that shit, you make an offensive joke these days and the mob will be after you

    • @tahunuva4254
      @tahunuva4254 Před 3 lety +340

      @@funkyfranx I think the key word here is "no-one". If no one likes your jokes except you, you might be the problem - not twitter :P

    • @Chillerll
      @Chillerll Před 3 lety +290

      @@funkyfranx There will always be someone laughing, the question is who is it you want to make laugh. I don't think offensive jokes are impossible to make, as long as they have some nuance to it. Sure there will always be people that overreact to the smallest things but I don't feel like they have so much power if it is really unjustified, you have seen how ineffective cancel culture is in reality. But the whole shock humor thing, when you just say something extremely offensive and that's the joke, isn't working anymore.

    • @jeice13
      @jeice13 Před 3 lety +5

      @@Chillerll problem is there are people saying you shouldnt be allowed to tell the jokes even if people laugh

  • @frankfilmic
    @frankfilmic Před 4 lety +1482

    I actually cheered during the Talk Show scene in the theatre because he says "society" and I had just spent the previous two hours waiting for the memes.

    • @willvermillion1025
      @willvermillion1025 Před 4 lety +104

      Barnacl3Boi he says society right before he does a big bad

    • @-Patali-
      @-Patali- Před 4 lety +87

      @@Barnacl3_Boi I think you meant script said "system", but Joaquin says "society", yes

    • @mastermarkus5307
      @mastermarkus5307 Před 4 lety +1

      That's the best reason.

    • @akhaeranu
      @akhaeranu Před 4 lety +19

      And also when the mob says "Rise up! Rise up!"

    • @jalves6494
      @jalves6494 Před 4 lety +3

      Still wondering exactly where the joke is here, Whats so funny about the word society? Lol

  • @geoffreysorkin5774
    @geoffreysorkin5774 Před 2 lety +289

    The reason Todd Phillips can't make any more Hangover movies is because he made the same movie 3 times and burned out his audience.
    The fact that you described Joker as the same half an our repeated ad nauseum is consistent with Todd Phillips' style in that regard.

    • @cendrieeR
      @cendrieeR Před rokem +6

      That's a weird take. Why would you want more than one or two Hangover movie in the first place? Of course it's repetitive, the premise doesn't leave much space for something else. They knew that from the start and made hangover 2 and 3 to milk the audience, as you should expect, but internally the first one was pretty entertaining without repetitions.

    • @wet-read
      @wet-read Před rokem +15

      There never should have been a second hangover, and the third one should have the second. If there was a second one at all, that is. It really should have just been a single movie.

    • @user-cn7io2pe8p
      @user-cn7io2pe8p Před 8 měsíci +1

      did he? hangover 3 was way different. And I think much like the Joker, he tried to do something different under the guise of an existing franchise so he could get funding. I really dont get the feeling he wanted to make hangover 3, atleast not in the same tone as hangover one

    • @DumbIdeaPresentedStupidly
      @DumbIdeaPresentedStupidly Před 5 měsíci +3

      Surprisingly, the first movie holds up pretty well. I mean its not perfect. Comedy ages the fastest out of any art, and its the most likely to age poorly. Thats especially true for 2000s comedies that are already trying to be raunchy. But there is a good number of decent jokes in there. Then they just made the same movie again but worse, then they did it again. People who really like the hangover, are not exactly looking for a fine dinning movie experience, and even then they where annoyed with the same movie but made two more times.

  • @yilvoxe4017
    @yilvoxe4017 Před rokem +502

    Remembering how absolutely incandescently enraged a bunch of reddit dudes got over this video... good times. We have made absolutely no progress since this video was posted but it's still funny to look back on a bunch of comments openly being like "You're a WOMAN, of COURSE you wouldn't understand the struggles of a MAN" like that isn't an extremely concerning thing to say in public

    • @Go_away__
      @Go_away__ Před rokem +31

      Isn't that the same phrase that literally thousands of women say every day though? "You're a man, of course you wouldn't understand the struggles of a women". Also, this movie had nothing to do with gender and was based solely on the depiction of a mentally ill person breaking bad due to the fictional culture around him. It was a character study and that's it. Every single person on the internet made it out to be way bigger of a deal than it actually was.

    • @ashleysmith746
      @ashleysmith746 Před rokem +145

      @@Go_away__ Thats..the point they're making. The movie has nothing to do with gender, yet a lot of weird dudes are projecting it onto the film.

    • @baltic1940
      @baltic1940 Před rokem +9

      ​@@ashleysmith746 Who are these weird dudes? All I've seen are mostly respectful disagreements with a few weirdos like everywhere else on the internet.

    • @theWebWizrd
      @theWebWizrd Před rokem +9

      ​​@@ashleysmith746 OP said that saying in public that women do not understand the struggle of men is 'extremely concerning'. That certainly suggests that OP believes that such an opinion is not acceptable.
      I do think that there is a gendered part of the story, in that I think more men deal with issues of feeling invisible and overlooked by society than do women. Women to a greater degree deal with unwanted attention, whilst men to a greater degree deal with lack of attention. That is not to say that 'a woman can't understand the struggle of men' - I think that is blatantly sexist to say - but it's hardly surprising that more men identify with that struggle.

    • @MurkyMambo
      @MurkyMambo Před rokem +26

      @@theWebWizrd There are literally so many accounts of how women are treated as being invisible compared to men. The constant need for the struggle to be symmetrical smells like negligent narcissism which is why men admitting they think that way is concerning. Maybe men just don't struggle as much as women. Maybe you should stop avoiding that reality as unflattering as it may seem.

  • @madib7516
    @madib7516 Před 4 lety +613

    oh so men can applaud at the end of joker but when i applaud at the end of the sonic movie it’s weird? double standards man

    • @agfromdai.e3806
      @agfromdai.e3806 Před 3 lety +3

      What?

    • @isaactovar1702
      @isaactovar1702 Před 3 lety

      The sonic the hedgehog movie is an animated comedy lmao I think anyone would find it a little weird if just about anyone clapped after an animated cOMedy

    • @soapthesoap
      @soapthesoap Před 3 lety +4

      You do you bud, you do you.

    • @fiend-ish1090
      @fiend-ish1090 Před 3 lety +45

      i- guys they're telling a joke, your nice guy is showing

    • @CarrotConsumer
      @CarrotConsumer Před 3 lety +10

      It's weird you weren't crying.

  • @angrybidoof847
    @angrybidoof847 Před 4 lety +1922

    Joker feels like the story Joker told Harley Quin to get her sympathy

    • @laylahuff2877
      @laylahuff2877 Před 4 lety +168

      Angry Bidoof this comment changed me

    • @laylahuff2877
      @laylahuff2877 Před 4 lety +37

      Planetary Ray you’re right and you should say it

    • @corelei
      @corelei Před 4 lety +138

      @@KingOfDarknessAndEvil look at his fans tho lol

    • @alilaro
      @alilaro Před 4 lety +67

      @@KingOfDarknessAndEvil "joker isn't an incel"

    • @KingOfDarknessAndEvil
      @KingOfDarknessAndEvil Před 4 lety +163

      @@corelei Yeah it's really weird that so many incels are big fans of someone who completely goes against their ideology. I'm guessing half of them don't know shit about him and just think he's edgy and cool or something.

  • @OctaveDoct0r
    @OctaveDoct0r Před 7 měsíci +181

    The fact that there's a 12 hour response to this video where a few faceless man-children just get upset the whole time is actually insane to me. Like, imagine spending that much time combing over every second of someone else's opinion on a movie. So bizarre.

    • @Clipzilla42
      @Clipzilla42 Před 6 měsíci +12

      Surprise, people like to analyze arguments on the Internet. By posting your opinion publicly, you give other people permission to discuss your words. Do you have an example of anything they said that you disagree with? Also, they cover Angry Joe's Joker review in that stream as well as read superchats and discuss other topics, so to present it as a "12 hour response to this video" is misleading although understandable you would conclude that. Basically, she gets a lot wrong factually in this video, so to claim it's "just an opinion" is fairly disingenuous on your part. But I'd still be willing to listen if you have any actual substantive discussion to add that thousands of other people before you haven't already complained about. Cheers!

    • @Clipzilla42
      @Clipzilla42 Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@towerofgodfan4107 yet you still won’t give me an example of anything they said that you disagree with. So bizarre. Please try to know what you’re talking about so we can have an actual discussion of substance? Like seriously, you’re giving me nothing. At least pretend to have reasons for thinking the way you do?

    • @mirillis6083
      @mirillis6083 Před 4 měsíci +42

      ​@@Clipzilla42dude get over yourself, no one is gonna watch a 12 hour video complaing that they didn't like this video if they're a fan of Jenny to begin with, acting like you have the moral high ground because someone won't subject themselves of 12 hours of content they don't like is stupid

    • @mirillis6083
      @mirillis6083 Před 4 měsíci +25

      ​@@Clipzilla42"Why won't you watch a 12 hour video from a guy you don't like and then give me a response"?

    • @Clipzilla42
      @Clipzilla42 Před 4 měsíci +5

      @@mirillis6083 So you find everyone who criticizes a video they didn’t watch one single second of to be in the right, and if someone asks questions about what they said that’s so egregious, that’s bad? Makes perfect sense! I’m not “forcing” you to watch anything. If you’re gonna talk about something I expect you to at least have some knowledge pertaining to the discussion. But no one can give an actual example, why would they when you can just say “bad cuz 12 hours” even though they also reviewed another review in the same stream. Lmao why do you think I have the moral high ground or implied that in any way? Because I choose the words I use with purpose? Because I’m asking for substantive dialogue? The bar is truly on the floor, so thank you for that…

  • @WinningSidekick
    @WinningSidekick Před 2 lety +80

    I keep coming back to Jenny's old videos every exam season. Regular as clockwork. There's just something soothing about the familiarity, I think; it's really nice just having some familiar and well-loved content in the background.

  • @skullguy8504
    @skullguy8504 Před 4 lety +1707

    When will we get out gritty, dark Jenny origin movie?

    • @nikkovalidor4890
      @nikkovalidor4890 Před 4 lety +154

      The story of a woman denied her petting zoo and have gone to murder very specific Disney executives

    • @JamesCalbraith
      @JamesCalbraith Před 4 lety +29

      That was MLP: FiW, just substitute Jenny for Pinkie.

    • @ChiefVizier
      @ChiefVizier Před 4 lety +5

      Watch her early youtube

    • @mlovecraftr
      @mlovecraftr Před 4 lety +73

      "No one cared who I was until I got these porgs"
      "Do you wanna know how I got these porgs?"

    • @dragoniraflameblade
      @dragoniraflameblade Před 4 lety +19

      She was summoned into our mortal world instead of birthed.

  • @keyona770
    @keyona770 Před 4 lety +4123

    I feel like the entire movie is the embodiment of the phrase: "we live in a society."

    • @ataricidal
      @ataricidal Před 4 lety +88

      which is why i despise it

    • @riley8385
      @riley8385 Před 4 lety +369

      It tries to be deep but ends up saying nothing at all because it was written by a coward.
      It should have latched onto the class disparity theme, but instead downplayed the radical discourse by making Joker state that he's not political. This is something very common in these kind of movies, because they know class analysis is very polarizing among people confortable with the status quo, which most of their audience.
      Ironically, the writer complains about people being "too PC" but he's guilty of *actual* political correctness.

    • @atheistmando4976
      @atheistmando4976 Před 4 lety +37

      @@ataricidal The film was not that "We live in a society". The film was about the society not paying attention to the lower class of society, mental issues, and walking over the people that die because they dont matter to them. And how the media villifies them, without trying to understand why, when mostof the time it is the media and rich's fault for villifying them, and in exchange lionizing them. Because just like what Thomas Wayne did, villified those that went on strike. Only to than lionize the idol of the clown. Leading to chaos and outrage.
      And Joker only related to that, because he himself was mocked by those above him. Especially his idol.

    • @atheistmando4976
      @atheistmando4976 Před 4 lety +10

      @@riley8385 Well, your endorsement of the pc culture kinda pushes that. Because lets face it. Theres nothing fond about modern day feminism. I bet if joker was whaman. You would of liked it cause girl power.
      It wasnt meant to be political as a character, it was a political film. Actually left leaning. And it was something that influenced Arthur to join in the end. Because he had a purpose. He was loved for who he was. He had the attention he was deprived of. Something that could drive any human mad.

    • @MM-jc7uv
      @MM-jc7uv Před 4 lety +98

      John Clark the movie is overrated. Wasn’t even a Joker film, it was just about some depressed unstable guy who eventually goes apeshit because no one likes him but they made him the joker so it makes money. I completely agree that it’s the embodiment of “we live in a society” 😂. It’s a depressed teen’s dream

  • @lexo30
    @lexo30 Před 2 lety +64

    28:16 The whole bit about people who try to justify shoddy writing by saying "Well it's all taking place in the mind of a madman so it's not supposed to make sense." YES! A THOUSAND TIMES YES! I am so sick of people who make that kind of non-argument. I love that Jenny takes aim at that because SO much bad writing has been excused that way.

  • @bennyton2560
    @bennyton2560 Před rokem +392

    lmao some people are still mad at this video three years later. Jenny you're trending again

    • @CNWhatImSaiyan
      @CNWhatImSaiyan Před rokem +37

      It’s kinda funny for all this “buzz”, this vid isn’t even in her top 20 most watched 🤣

    • @tevenpowell8023
      @tevenpowell8023 Před rokem +9

      Lmao some people still like this video three years later.

    • @Tikky503
      @Tikky503 Před rokem +17

      I dont even see any of the sour boys. Its just a bunch of people laughing at "reddit bros" and "owning the incels"
      Like 98% of the comments are people agreeing with her, wheres the "backlash"

    • @notit7282
      @notit7282 Před rokem

      @@Tikky503 Scroll past the comments pushed up by the CZcams algorithm my dude. Look for the comments with single digit or no likes at all with many replies. Find the comments deeply-buried by the algorithm because they contained offensive language. It's 2022 now, you've got to be aware social media platforms use many algorithms to manipulate the mood of different parts of their sites. Outrage only drives clicks when it's in the title; harmony and positivity in the comment section are what keeps people in a community and coming back for more. Not to mention the majority of backlash came from when this was initially uploaded. Re-enabling the dislike counter via plugins and whatnot should give you more than enough evidence for a backlash.
      If you have no patience to scroll that far, then sort the comments by newest, you'll definitely find the "fabled" comments you argued don't exist. For instance, 1 month ago: "You mean a privileged, leftist woman didn't like Joker, a film about how society treats men like dogshit and pushes them over the edge? Quite the spicy take indeed."

    • @Tikky503
      @Tikky503 Před rokem

      @@notit7282 society does treat men like dogshit and pushes them over the edge in a lot of different ways, but why did he call her "privileged leftist"?... what did she say that was "left"...
      Anyway youre right, I dont have patience to scroll to the weeds.

  • @virginiafernandez6846
    @virginiafernandez6846 Před 3 lety +6032

    I’m gonna be honest, as a woman, I was completely willing to believe that a man would write a woman being delighted to watch him do stand-up comedy

    • @nilsjohnson2636
      @nilsjohnson2636 Před 2 lety +176

      That was a part of Arthur's delusion, remember?

    • @RoseInTheWeeds
      @RoseInTheWeeds Před 2 lety +1244

      @@nilsjohnson2636 The point I think she was making is that many men write women horribly across media, so when this woman was turned on by the weird stalker, and laughing at his terrible jokes, it didn't register as not normal and maybe part of a delusion because some men would write a woman like that without the delusion. A commentary on the greater media and not this movie.

    • @orangeants
      @orangeants Před 2 lety +309

      @@nilsjohnson2636 I feel like you're proving the general spirit of this comment lol

    • @mrkennady
      @mrkennady Před 2 lety +31

      Just admit that you’re too dumb to understand what the movie was about.

    • @RoseInTheWeeds
      @RoseInTheWeeds Před 2 lety +215

      @@headflap7569 ​ @headflap I never said that was what the movie was trying to say. Neither did OP. I explained the op's comment on why they didn't even second guess why the woman love interest would fall in love with her weird stalker since women are often written so badly in other movies. Plenty of movies reward predatory/weird men for having the woman they act predatory towards fall for them.
      Be it women falling for kidnappers, stalkers, or other toxic/violent/obsessive behaviors. If anything, I would say the subversion of the trope is a good point hidden inside the rest of what Joker is trying to say, as many will see the woman falling for him and just handwave it to usual bad writing of women, or as a nice romance, he was able to find in a woman who gets him a somewhat, before the reveal says, "Why would you think this would ever work out? That isn't how people work."
      So to rephrase my first comment: OP was critiquing the trope found in writing women in media, a trope that Joker actually subverts in saying, "Only someone mentally unstable would actually think this type of relationship would work, or that a woman would actually react in a 'rewarding' way to men who do this."
      Hope that clears up any miscommunication.

  • @celebalert5616
    @celebalert5616 Před 3 lety +5019

    That Mamma Mia edit made me realize Joker shouldve been a Musical

    • @mentallyunstable1926
      @mentallyunstable1926 Před 3 lety +136

      i can picture joaquin phoenix on stage belting out like an i want song

    • @sage5530
      @sage5530 Před 3 lety +58

      @@mentallyunstable1926 i demand a joker i want song!

    • @pippidraws7710
      @pippidraws7710 Před 3 lety +62

      I mean, he already loves dancing
      let the man sing!

    • @PauLtus_B
      @PauLtus_B Před 3 lety +73

      Unironically: that would've been a cool idea.

    • @myettechase
      @myettechase Před 3 lety +31

      we was ROBBED

  • @user-zh4vo1kw1z
    @user-zh4vo1kw1z Před rokem +65

    Main takeaway:
    I now want Meryl Streep as a Joker.
    TBH, I sincerely do think it would be a decent fit. And not just cuz any role she played was perfect for her through just the virtue of being played by her. Also not just cuz of the collective stroke that would rid us of a large section of the joker-bro's.
    If anyone can dominate just by sheer presence it's her,
    she has a great talent for voices and accent which would fit the multiple choice past of the Joker and give it a nice uncanny valley kinda vibe,
    She is great in drama, but hilarious when she does comedy and clearly enjoys being a baddy
    Her age would prevent the more physical aspects of prime Joker, but one of his most unnerving appearances is in Dark Knight Returns and he isn't Jim Carreying about in that

    • @taurine5561
      @taurine5561 Před rokem +5

      I would sell my soul to see that

  • @caspertheunfriendlyghost4442

    One thing that I think is just hurtful is when they show joker writing down things people thought were funny as something "weird" or "creepy". As someone with both autism and ADHD, I'm constantly making mental notes of what is seen as funny so I don't look super socially awkward, but making a murderer do something neurodivergent people do just feels...off (not to say all schizophrenic people/ppl with schizoaffective disorders are murderers and *don't* struggle in social situations, the movie just kinda villainizes people with mental disabilities).
    And I will never stop saying Joker in the Lego batman movies is unironically a rly good joker portrayal of a guy who just wants attention and has been fighting batman so long he doesn't know what to do when that ends lmao

    • @dorianthekilljoy4092
      @dorianthekilljoy4092 Před 2 lety +80

      1. I love your points they're so accurate.
      2. LEGO BATMAN JOKER LETS GOOOO!

    • @Memento_mori2222
      @Memento_mori2222 Před 2 lety +87

      as someone who is very close friends with an pearson who suffers from various psychological disorders (schizofrenic, psychotic episodes, DID) i feel Joker is a very harmful movie, as it portrays Arthur's actions as somewhat justified and portrays therapy as useless or insuficient, its clear the movie has no interest in portraying mentally ill people as people, only as victims of their circumstances with no autonomy of their own, Arthur was "destined" to shoot Murray from the very beginning of the movie

    • @aztn19
      @aztn19 Před 2 lety +4

      @@Memento_mori2222 It’s weird because as destined as it was for Murray to be shot by Arthur, it also was the most senseless of the Joker’s killings in a movie that went out of its way to make it seem like Arthur/Joker HAD to have understandably justified reasons for the ones he killed. If Arthur didn’t have to be a guy Batman has to fight later on maybe, Franklin is left alive to ponder why a man shot himself on air to make some kind of point about society abandoning him leaving him no other choice beyond taking his own life.

    • @amartyakejora5451
      @amartyakejora5451 Před 2 lety +38

      there is no such thing as over-praising Lego Joker or praising him for too long. if i had any writing skills i'd write a biography of Lego Joker with transcripts of days long interviews with Zach Galifianakis while we're under the influence and in full joker impressions.

    • @amartyakejora5451
      @amartyakejora5451 Před 2 lety +13

      @@aztn19 it's also kind of funny that the writers, for how much they wanted to slap DC lore and Batman setup over this movie that had very little to do with tights-wearing capes, couldn't just resolve to position Arthur as the pre-cursor/eventual inspiration to the Joker that Batman faces. Meaning he could be allowed to die in the story and be seen as a martyr to a wave of criminals that the "next" Joker emerges from. it's not too big a reach given the number of fans that already theorized or even outright believed in this idea before/after the movie came out.

  • @12bees
    @12bees Před 4 lety +892

    jenny's casual joker cosplay is one of my favourite video outfits yet

    • @bemiatto67
      @bemiatto67 Před 4 lety +34

      Jokerbounding

    • @anavila5741
      @anavila5741 Před 4 lety +8

      I didn't even notice but i agree😂

    • @nahtans95
      @nahtans95 Před 4 lety +5

      It's pretty fire ngl

    • @movimentodoscacos
      @movimentodoscacos Před 4 lety +9

      "I look like Bilbo Baggins"

    • @Savyon0
      @Savyon0 Před 4 lety +7

      @Luigi Nastro You ever danced with the devil in the Shire moonlight?

  • @metaleggman18
    @metaleggman18 Před 4 lety +5160

    In this episode, Jenny shows us how she lives in a society

    • @renab.7518
      @renab.7518 Před 4 lety +13

      @SomethingScanning somewhat

    • @AddBowIfGirl
      @AddBowIfGirl Před 4 lety +6

      metaleggman18
      What is this a reference to?

    • @ComradeCorwin
      @ComradeCorwin Před 4 lety +14

      @@AddBowIfGirl I had originally thought it was a quote from Margaret Thatcher that has suddenly gained a surprising level of revitalization, but I'm starting to have my suspicions that there is some kind of groupthink origin that I'm not privy to.

    • @kckasem3360
      @kckasem3360 Před 4 lety +52

      @Corwin Rainier It's just a meme playing off statements that begin with that phrase which often amount to shallow critiques.... I mean I guess you can call memes groupthink but that's super weird, dude

    • @insertmemorableusernameher6795
      @insertmemorableusernameher6795 Před 4 lety +25

      But she doesnt tell us how she got her scars

  • @ericmonachello
    @ericmonachello Před rokem +274

    This is so validating to go back to and watch. I wasn't good at articulating my feelings on the film but you did it brilliantly while also adding plentiful new points I never thought of that I can say "HEY! That WAS werid!" Thank you

    • @eramosat
      @eramosat Před 7 měsíci +5

      jenny is very intelligent and articulate. and delightful...an original!

  • @mlk0-0
    @mlk0-0 Před 2 lety +158

    You know, I remember watching this in theaters, and afterwards, I thought "I think I liked it". I remember thinking it felt art film-y, and that I wouldn't say I didn't like it, but there was a vagueness about it to me. When I watched it a second time at home, I felt even more of that "I'm not sure how to feel". Listening to Jenny here really fills in a lot and points to me why I felt that way. This movie doesn't say much, if anything. It's confused, and I'm confused, and I'm wondering if that's the point? In a way? I'm not sure if I should give that sort of assumption for this director, but I think that would be kind of interesting if the film is as convoluted and confused as this iteration of the Joker must be

    • @amartyakejora5451
      @amartyakejora5451 Před 2 lety +13

      i feel like if this movie had been made by someone like Scorsese (the guy whose carreer this film basically rips off at almost every turn) i'd at least give him the benefit of the doubt of "hm maybe i am meant to be confused" because as a filmmaker he usually knows at least what he's doing given his extensive career. even though with the same script maybe not even Scorsese would magically make it likable.

    • @themarquis336
      @themarquis336 Před 8 měsíci +3

      Vague is definitely the word

  • @mike.6092
    @mike.6092 Před 4 lety +702

    "I thought my life was a tragedy but now I realize it's a comedy"-Dr.Doofenshmirtz

    • @ollyrye1604
      @ollyrye1604 Před 4 lety +23

      Still a better origin story than twi- i mean joker

    • @frogwhisperer2067
      @frogwhisperer2067 Před 4 lety +26

      Man, I would watch the shit out of a gritty Dr Doofenshmirtz movie

    • @sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf
      @sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf Před 2 lety +5

      @@frogwhisperer2067 that was the phineas and ferb movie

  • @jtcf1992
    @jtcf1992 Před 4 lety +1595

    In defense of the world being comically mean, it is Gotham City.
    I really didn’t find it comically mean tbh. 1970s NYC was a rough place.

    • @FourLetterLWord
      @FourLetterLWord Před 4 lety +89

      Plenty of comics have gotham as unrealistically shitty but still believable. Hell Hub City exists in thr DC universe to explicilty one up Gotham in shittiness and still isnt as hamhanded as Jokers Gotham. When you can't be more subtle than a literal comic book you're just a shitty world builder.

    • @ArcticENG
      @ArcticENG Před 4 lety +209

      @@FourLetterLWord ... Except 1970's- 80's New York was very similar to this. It was a bad time. I loved how they brought that rough time back to life and it's so naive to think this was over the top.

    • @FourLetterLWord
      @FourLetterLWord Před 4 lety +28

      @@ArcticENG what was over the top was the terrible script, not the set design, you simpleton

    • @Sil3ntKn1ght
      @Sil3ntKn1ght Před 4 lety +31

      @@FourLetterLWord How so?

    • @FourLetterLWord
      @FourLetterLWord Před 4 lety +70

      @@Sil3ntKn1ght there is a difference between pointlessly villainous and believably malicious. All the people who antagonized Fleck had either no internal consistency or just no sensible motive at all, their entire motivation as characters was to be there to antagonize Fleck as plot devices. It's a textbook "kick the puppy" trope where it benefits them in no way as characters to do what they do, it just helps a bad story teller communicate in the bluntest and least sophisticated way that theyre "bad" people; emphasis on the bad and not the "people."
      It's also just kind of funny that Fleck's big thing is whining about being invisible when literally everyone in the movie exists to directly interact with him personally. You can be invisible, or people can incoherently go out of their way to victimize you specifically, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

  • @lithiumkid
    @lithiumkid Před rokem +34

    “baby’s first batman critique” i’m wheezing 😭

  • @trueMAXIMUS
    @trueMAXIMUS Před rokem +342

    i (as a woman) was initially super put-off by this movie and it’s reception without having seen it. in fact it took a couple years for me to sit down and watch it but then i … genuinely really really loved it haha. that being said jenny’s critique here is entirely valid, and it just goes to show that different views take different things away from the same movie. that also being said, people are insane for attacking her based on something she very clearly and explicitly said was simply HER OPINION lmfao

    • @tevenpowell8023
      @tevenpowell8023 Před rokem +5

      What do you mean by "attacking"?
      Alot of people in here are labeling real straightforward criticism as attacks and it's really hampering the discussion around this movie.

    • @trueMAXIMUS
      @trueMAXIMUS Před rokem +104

      @@tevenpowell8023my darling, if i meant she was receiving valid criticism i would have said that. but what i *said* was people in the comments were attacking her in often quite misogynistic ways. people are allowed to disagree with her, but that’s obviously not what i was talking about.

    • @scarredk0
      @scarredk0 Před rokem +2

      why did you like it?

    • @trueMAXIMUS
      @trueMAXIMUS Před rokem +39

      @@scarredk0 idk had good cinematography, unique and interesting plot, colorful costumes and scenery, phenomenal acting. of course this is all IMO if someone didn’t like it (like jenny) i’m not gonna fight them

    • @bruhfunny5290
      @bruhfunny5290 Před rokem +26

      I agree, I’m a woman who was personally fine with it maybe 7/10 I never really understood where the “it’s for real men” or “only incels liked it” attitude came from, but maybe it’s because i don’t really believe in stereotyping common experiences

  • @plantling5864
    @plantling5864 Před 2 lety +6980

    the amount of comments stating you “just didn’t get it, it’s too deep” with no sense of self awareness or satire is equally hilarious and staggering

    • @_Ikelos
      @_Ikelos Před 2 lety +229

      It's not that deep, it's very simple and to the point despite a couple of red herrings.
      But it makes a lot of people here uncomfortable so they have to engage in massive mental gymnastics to shoot it down.

    • @taboowriter9229
      @taboowriter9229 Před 2 lety +21

      Yeah people who enjoy a thing you dont have no self awareness lmao

    • @crisbernabe2866
      @crisbernabe2866 Před 2 lety +150

      The movie is being carried by his acting, and the lore of the joker. Not too difficult.

    • @jacksonelh
      @jacksonelh Před 2 lety +288

      @@_Ikelos maybe it's just a bad movie bro. it's got a shit script completely carried by the acting. it's got cringe politics shoehorned in like the purge. it drags hard and it lingers on the same shit til the end scene. it tries way too hard to "subvert expectations" and just ends up subverting being good.
      imagine how good it could've been if it was a straight up dark comedy. cut out the unnecessary shit like the mum and the protests. make it a twisted version of a superhero origin. instead it's just the first 20 minutes repeated over and over for 2 hours until the talk show scene

    • @Riprake
      @Riprake Před 2 lety +34

      I'd say to "get" why so many people liked this movie, you have to have a bit of a background that Jenny and the other detractors mostly don't have. In my case, it helps that I was a big comics fan in the 1990s when the fandom for mainstream comic books was at its apogee. That was an ideal time to learn some of the lore underlying the movie's main themes, such as:
      1. Why all the indecisiveness about whether any of this story happened or not? Because the Joker's origin has *always* been (in his own words) "multiple-choice" and this movie certainly wasn't going to change that. If this movie had tried to make the Joker's origin absolutely unambiguous, it would have been going against nearly eight decades of the comic books' lore.
      2. Why the movie's indecisiveness about politics? Because like the movie itself, the comic books' various iterations of the Joker have so often been a kind of Rorschach test onto which people project their own beliefs and ideologies. The movie's main point is self-demonstrating: that in analyzing some controversial incident or phenomenon, *especially* in a highly politicized setting (such as Gotham in an election year), people will tend to see what they want to see.
      3. Why the story's focus on the society rather than on the character? Because another longstanding part of the comics' lore has been to answer the question "Killing the Joker sure seems like it would solve a lot of problems, so why doesn't Batman just do that?" with "No, the Joker is only a symptom of Gotham's depravity, not a root cause, so killing him wouldn't really solve anything." Hence why Arthur Fleck is such a nonentity throughout the movie; to show that if anyone were to kill him, Gotham's cruel and heartless society would simply twist some other lowly nonentity into a new Joker or maybe even somebody worse.

  • @jf1809
    @jf1809 Před 4 lety +1742

    Jenny: I’m assuming you’ve seen the movie
    Girl, I don’t plan to watch 90% of the films you talk about

    • @Faeree
      @Faeree Před 4 lety +60

      This is a big mood

    • @willvermillion1025
      @willvermillion1025 Před 4 lety +35

      Not even momma Mia 2?!?!

    • @EmissaryofWind
      @EmissaryofWind Před 4 lety +101

      Why would I when I can watch internet people tear the movies apart from the comfort of my own home

    • @geegeep
      @geegeep Před 4 lety +82

      I don't care enough about the movie to watch it, just enough to watch a video of someone who's watched and is complaining about it

    • @sixstringedthing
      @sixstringedthing Před 4 lety +14

      As a person with limited free time, watching youtube pop culture analyses seems like a pretty suitable defence against Sturgeon's Law.

  • @MatStevens
    @MatStevens Před 2 lety +83

    "Good last line."
    Was it though?
    To me, ending a movie like this, that begged you to think it was deeper than it was, ends with, "You wouldn't get it."
    Like an angsty 14-year-old, saying, "You don't get me, mom."

    • @haydawgarchive-ultrahayden7380
      @haydawgarchive-ultrahayden7380 Před 2 lety +1

      Thats the point though. Teenagers say it to be edgy but Arthur says it truly believing it

    • @MatStevens
      @MatStevens Před 2 lety +33

      @@haydawgarchive-ultrahayden7380 No, teenagers believe it too. But everyone rolls their eyes at them, because EVERYONE gets a teenager. They're not nearly as deep as they think they are. Much like Arrhur, and this movie.

    • @amartyakejora5451
      @amartyakejora5451 Před 2 lety +3

      yeah, lol. i think at that point in the viewing experience that line is just consistent with the barrage of would-be edgelord quotes coming out the rest of this movie. so it's arbitrarily satisfying cause it keeps up this movie's hilariously desperate attempts to be remembered as iconic by kids who were rebellious when it came out.

    • @Go_away__
      @Go_away__ Před rokem +2

      This is actually a great example of negative self-insertion into media. The fact that you came up with this scenario from a single line spoken by fictional character is astounding.

    • @MatStevens
      @MatStevens Před rokem +8

      @@Go_away__ No, it was the entire movie that felt like it was written by an edgy middle schooler. Not just that line.
      The final line was just the perfect encapsulation of the movie as a whole.

  • @kevthepoet
    @kevthepoet Před 2 lety +180

    She makes valid points. People were hating on her for what?

    • @CNWhatImSaiyan
      @CNWhatImSaiyan Před 2 lety +125

      A woman talking about nerd stuff & having opinions

    • @Go_away__
      @Go_away__ Před rokem +8

      ​@@CNWhatImSaiyan That's such a reductive statement considering that many women on youtube (and the internet in general) make outstanding film reviews and analysis. People didn't like her video because it was based on an extremely opinionated experience of the movie and comes across as "I'm smarter than you" when she regularly contradicts herself.

    • @susobamna
      @susobamna Před rokem +115

      @@Go_away__ "I didn't like a movie review because the critic had opinions :("

    • @Go_away__
      @Go_away__ Před rokem +4

      @@susobamna that’s not what I said but nice try in being sarcastic. I didn’t like her video because she didn’t say anything of critical value. Her analysis is based on an extremely opinionated views of a movie that she was open about disliking before it even came out.
      There was no point on making this video.

    • @susobamna
      @susobamna Před rokem +107

      @@Go_away__ "i don't like the video about her opinions because it's too opinionated 🤓"

  • @sashae2848
    @sashae2848 Před 4 lety +2765

    theres something almost poetic about todd phillips using arthur as a mouthpiece for how he feels about no one finding him funny and not realizing that, as you said, arthur's problem isn't that he's offensive. he's just not funny.

    • @mirandakaplan927
      @mirandakaplan927 Před 3 lety +30

      @D2 E2 cause you're watching the vid lmao

    • @mugwump9131
      @mugwump9131 Před 3 lety +28

      D2 E2 are you okay

    • @Crinkfries
      @Crinkfries Před 3 lety +23

      D2 E2 oof, calm down.

    • @Crinkfries
      @Crinkfries Před 3 lety +23

      D2 E2 I shall clutch them, D2 E2. I shall clutch them tighter than ever before.

    • @Crinkfries
      @Crinkfries Před 3 lety +13

      D2 E2 -you also like your own comments? Sad-

  • @RaeCharm
    @RaeCharm Před 4 lety +1055

    Hard Cut:
    “I look like Bilbo Baggins.”

    • @jordanadams4360
      @jordanadams4360 Před 4 lety +6

      Rei IV why is this kind of comment a thing

    • @RaeCharm
      @RaeCharm Před 4 lety +22

      Jordan Adams I accidentally clicked on your profile and I am so amused by the playlist entitled “Best Song.” I know that isn’t even close to the point. I just found it funny.

    • @scout2266
      @scout2266 Před 4 lety +9

      Can you dispute that Tiga - Bugatti (Jauz Remix) [Feat. Pusha T] is not an absolute jam?

    • @RaeCharm
      @RaeCharm Před 4 lety +22

      scout I think if I needed to make a playlist of exactly one song, that is the only correct choice.

    • @Tobascodagama
      @Tobascodagama Před 4 lety +9

      Turns out "Bilbo Baggins cosplay" is actually a really flattering look for Jenny.

  • @LORDUnLuCkY13
    @LORDUnLuCkY13 Před 9 měsíci +115

    Glad I'm not the only one who thought this film was shallow as a puddle but presenting itself like its the Pacific ocean

    • @wet-read
      @wet-read Před 7 měsíci +6

      Absolutely correct. This is one of several video essays saying why Joker is terrible, in addition to traditional written recirws and social media comments (the longest and most comprehensive of these is just over 1.5 hours!). I also formulated my own list of reasons I think Joker is a bad film, many of which are spoken of elsewhere, and one that nobody else mentioned.

    • @endaburns2121
      @endaburns2121 Před 4 měsíci +4

      its exactly the movie you would expect to get if the director of The Hangover watched The King Of Comedy and thought "what if this was a batman movie?"

  • @octodaddy1602
    @octodaddy1602 Před 3 měsíci +17

    The Lego Batman Movie gave us a better character study of the Joker than Joker

  • @scottgamedev
    @scottgamedev Před 4 lety +828

    *almost 19 minutes into the video*
    "... I look like Bilbo Baggins."
    THAT'S who I was thinking of!!

    • @1LilSpark
      @1LilSpark Před 4 lety +5

      Young Scott I was actually thinking that would make a sweet Mr.Toad Disneybound

    • @iloveyourunclebob
      @iloveyourunclebob Před 4 lety +1

      @@1LilSpark my autocomplete slightly dyslexic brain kicked in and read that as "Mr. Sweeney Todd".

  • @Milosh111
    @Milosh111 Před 4 lety +598

    "You promise me super rats, bring me the super rats!"
    Even as someone who liked Joker very much, I must agree with this piece of critique. What the hell, Todd Phillips?

    • @yanakotova7366
      @yanakotova7366 Před 4 lety +33

      Actually, I think I've seen a big rat at the background somewhere (it might be the scene where Arthur is kicking a dumpster, not sure). So there at least one super-rat!

    • @AlexSlashSpace
      @AlexSlashSpace Před 4 lety +53

      @@yanakotova7366 Yes in the end when SPOILER Bruces parents are shot you can see two huge rats running in the back

    • @devinpaul9026
      @devinpaul9026 Před 4 lety +16

      I love that in this ostensibly epic and subversive movie about a media icon--
      that there would be a random scene of him just kicking a dumpster.
      All this drama, these story elements, the real world culture wars--
      a clown kicking a dumpster.
      Come to think of it, that's the real statement here-- and it's funny as hell!

    • @plumemoth293
      @plumemoth293 Před 4 lety +31

      It's buildup for Bruce Wayne becoming Ratman™️

    • @braxtonslife7779
      @braxtonslife7779 Před 4 lety +5

      Super Rats were an issue in New York during that time period. It’s just to show how bad the city’s gotten. Like everything’s going to shit and now there’re super rats. It could also symbolize the “rats” like The Wayne’s.

  • @quertie420
    @quertie420 Před rokem +34

    2:58 i've never seen joker (and i don't intend to) but from a writing perspective i think the social worker would've been a better character if she & authur DID have a good relationship but were separated by The System

    • @aztn19
      @aztn19 Před 3 měsíci +8

      Agreed. But it also wanted to pander to the people who don’t like therapists and believe therapy is a waste of time, so they made her ignorant, dismissive, indifferent and empathetic to his problems at different points throughout the movie. She offered no insights to Arthur that he used-but-didn’t-work, or would have helped but Fleck didn’t want to listen to her. She had the final say in him getting to meds he needed but she neither vouched that he still needed them, nor did she seem to believe that he even needed in the first place.
      The counselor was riddled with contradictions, like the movie as a whole.

  • @leoncoopermarques3460
    @leoncoopermarques3460 Před rokem +21

    Joker thinks crazy frog is just a normal frog

  • @perdita2822
    @perdita2822 Před 4 lety +450

    scene cut from the middle of the movie: Joker watching Hangover 4 for two hours

    • @thefischdeo
      @thefischdeo Před 4 lety +6

      This might be the funniest thing I've read this week.
      Thank you.

    • @AddBowIfGirl
      @AddBowIfGirl Před 4 lety

      Per Dita
      😂😆🤣

    • @Arander92
      @Arander92 Před 4 lety +2

      The true trigger for his madness

    • @no_peace
      @no_peace Před 4 lety

      And takin notes

  • @corelei
    @corelei Před 4 lety +722

    "I'm not auditioning for Cinema Sins here" 😂

    • @1LilSpark
      @1LilSpark Před 4 lety +16

      Cordula The Platypus lets be real Jenny would be excellent at Cinema Sins

    • @MelodicQuest
      @MelodicQuest Před 4 lety +14

      (ding)

    • @thomasjenkins7506
      @thomasjenkins7506 Před 4 lety +4

      @bertasu wow, sexist much?

    • @ebransc09
      @ebransc09 Před 4 lety

      You would not make the cut

    • @krislove1167
      @krislove1167 Před 4 lety +3

      HaremGodRance goddammit why must you have an anime picture. I was trying to prove a point

  • @sophitiaofhyrule
    @sophitiaofhyrule Před rokem +131

    The audience reaction to the talk show scene was so disturbing. I don't recall anyone cheering whenever the Joker did something horrible in Batman 89 or The Dark Knight.

    • @endaburns2121
      @endaburns2121 Před 8 měsíci +9

      People like fictional violence, and that’s fine. Is people cheering when John Wick shoots a guy disturbing? No. I agree that this movie sucks, and the depiction of the violence as heroic is part of the reason why it sucks, but it is no comment on the morality of the people in the cinema that they enjoyed the violence.
      Also, no one cheered during the “it’s time to pay the cheque” or “I’m going to make this pencil disappear” scenes? You need better people to go to the cinema with.

    • @lillianward2810
      @lillianward2810 Před 7 měsíci +5

      I’m pretty sure I remember people cheering in TDK.

    • @jeffreypenis736
      @jeffreypenis736 Před 4 měsíci +5

      you weren't old enough to see either of those in theatres when they came out

    • @chadthundercock4806
      @chadthundercock4806 Před 4 měsíci +4

      How is it disturbing? It's the intended reaction.

  • @spiraljumper74
    @spiraljumper74 Před rokem +89

    Wow, public opinion really turned around on this video! Two years ago edgelords were straight brigading it and now look, no dislikes!

    • @jacktonsauron8185
      @jacktonsauron8185 Před rokem +1

      @Eroshap98 pack your bags to simp city soy boy

    • @cockoffgewgle4993
      @cockoffgewgle4993 Před rokem

      It has 17k dislikes

    • @nkbujvytcygvujno6006
      @nkbujvytcygvujno6006 Před rokem +1

      You do realize no video has dislikes anymore because CZcams turned that option off after their own company ad video was largely disliked? You can only see them if you look at CZcams through certain engines.

    • @spiraljumper74
      @spiraljumper74 Před rokem +12

      @@nkbujvytcygvujno6006 That’s the joke brother.

  • @francescayoung289
    @francescayoung289 Před 4 lety +1021

    Jenny I’m playing Donna in a production of Mamma Mia at the moment and now I know I won’t be flailing my arms during winner takes it all just to please you

  • @TheGeekygirl98
    @TheGeekygirl98 Před 4 lety +517

    he was a dancing queen

    • @ChardBothamYT
      @ChardBothamYT Před 4 lety +60

      and god help anyone who dared to disrespect his dancing

    • @j24030
      @j24030 Před 4 lety +49

      young and sweet, definitely not 17

    • @ArkhamJacks
      @ArkhamJacks Před 4 lety +35

      Living in a society

    • @xlukalee
      @xlukalee Před 4 lety +6

      the clown queen of crime

    • @kobi7955
      @kobi7955 Před 4 lety +1

      @@ChardBothamYT I understood that reference

  • @Rose-hh7mk
    @Rose-hh7mk Před 2 lety +95

    I did think it was pretty weird that the joker called himself "mentally ill". Seemed pretty out of character.

    • @JetWindTV
      @JetWindTV Před rokem

      How?

    • @bee4590
      @bee4590 Před rokem

      @@JetWindTV because he's a social outcast, why would he cater to the societal expectation of kinder language? he'd just say crazy, he's not a 'PC' 'woke' character lol. he's antisocial enough to murder someone on live TV, why would he care about censoring his own language?

    • @JetWindTV
      @JetWindTV Před rokem +6

      @@bee4590 Because most crazy people deny they are crazy. It is not exactly a title people hold very well outside a joking context. How is the term mentally ill even woke? It covers a lot of different illnesses in the mental health community into an easy term without being overly wordy and giving away too much information. If anything, it's an umbrella term.

    • @Rose-hh7mk
      @Rose-hh7mk Před 3 měsíci +4

      @@JetWindTV It's not "woke" but if Arthur is supposed to have such dark humour, you would expect him to use a more derogatory term like "crazy" or "nuts"

  • @bensuspecial
    @bensuspecial Před 2 lety +26

    i've been binging your videos and i must say i love your positivity in your criticism - like i know you disliked this movie but not because you bashed it to smithereens but because you tried so hard to find smallest nice things in it (like joker's outfit colors) which highlight how hard you had to search

  • @jasonkonas
    @jasonkonas Před 4 lety +2162

    I love how she matches her outfit to the movie she talks about, but never calls attention to it.

    • @jasonkonas
      @jasonkonas Před 4 lety +165

      @callmecatalyst I did hear her say all that, but she never said anything like "Hey, look at my outfit!"

    • @jasonkonas
      @jasonkonas Před 4 lety +16

      @Cooper ?? If you mean the kind of person who inadvertently feeds trolls by showing my appreciation for someone, then yeah, I suppose I am.

    • @SuperChivasLover
      @SuperChivasLover Před 4 lety +26

      Casual Cosplay

    • @timothymclean
      @timothymclean Před 4 lety +7

      I'm sure she's drawn attention to it sometimes, at least as a joke.

    • @sirdim3162
      @sirdim3162 Před 4 lety +6

      Well she did say "I look like bilbo baggins", even though she looks nothing like him. Guess she just thought " oh I'm wearing a red coat and this guy is also wearing a red coat"

  • @Dycehart
    @Dycehart Před 2 lety +4738

    Literally the moment Sofie said it was okay he was stalking her all day I was like, this is fake and every woman here knows it.

    • @KookiesNolly
      @KookiesNolly Před 2 lety +466

      unfortunately, some male writers do unironically write similar scenarios so irl, defo fake, in a movie written by a man, who knows?

    • @Boodoo4You
      @Boodoo4You Před 2 lety +36

      Oh really? You knew the movie was fake from that point? Great detective skills Jessie.

    • @zoeywilliams5240
      @zoeywilliams5240 Před 2 lety +192

      The lighting would change slightly when Sofie said smth unreasonable. He's insane and the movie shows that via lighting and wording.

    • @Spirit123
      @Spirit123 Před 2 lety +17

      What does that have to do with being a woman

    • @rosecitystud1908
      @rosecitystud1908 Před 2 lety +73

      I wasn't sure if it was that or if the writer was such a virgin he thought it would actually work. That one was hard to fault one way or the other lol

  • @dowl603
    @dowl603 Před rokem +38

    I can't believe Jenny predicted Joker the musical

  • @nessie6899
    @nessie6899 Před 4 měsíci +23

    Dudes in the comments throwing a tantrum that this one person doesn’t really like the clown movie lmao

    • @stevenunyabidness
      @stevenunyabidness Před měsícem +1

      i liked it, i also like Jenny's channel. then again, i'm not an incel and have no contempt towards women who will never sleep with me so take that with a grain of salt.

    • @nessie6899
      @nessie6899 Před měsícem

      @@stevenunyabidness based

  • @GGMCUKAGAIN
    @GGMCUKAGAIN Před 3 lety +2779

    "It half says many things" - the exact description of every DC movie.

  • @janfausto5626
    @janfausto5626 Před 4 lety +982

    Meryl Streep is the Joker we NEEDED!

    • @Rognik
      @Rognik Před 4 lety +26

      Is there any role she can't play?

    • @MrTheheadcase
      @MrTheheadcase Před 4 lety +24

      @@Rognik Herself, Daniel Day Lewis already has that role locked down for the biopic.
      OTOH, she is cast as Daniel Day Lewis.

    • @notyournormalg1
      @notyournormalg1 Před 4 lety +5

      But the Joker we got is the Joker we deserved.

    • @MrDj232
      @MrDj232 Před 4 lety +13

      No joke, Streep as Flashpoint Joker could be a fantastic film.

    • @stewieismyhomeboy
      @stewieismyhomeboy Před 4 lety

      God that would be perfect

  • @calebbrazier8495
    @calebbrazier8495 Před 2 lety +20

    "He's not failing because he tells off color jokes, he's failing because he has brain damage!"
    For a split second I legit thought she was still talking about Tod Phillips

  • @marina6860
    @marina6860 Před 2 lety +176

    i've seen people make fun of this movie's fans for years, but i always figured it was like a rick and morty/fight club/american psycho situation. like the work in question is actually good, but general audiences have zero media literacy and walk away with a ridiculously literal interpretation.
    then i watched it. holy shit was this movie bad. like almost unwatchable. i had to take multiple breaks to gather the will to continue. it was like someone was playing a prank on me. like the most offensively bad take on mental illness i have ever seen

    • @ennik7162
      @ennik7162 Před 2 lety +32

      dude i kept skipping because there was so much damn filler i just couldn’t… 💀 it was insanely bad i’m pretty sure i blocked out like half the movie because i was so bored

    • @princessbunny80085
      @princessbunny80085 Před rokem +8

      Yeah I left the theatre when it came out cause my friends wanted to see it but I already knew it would be demonizing mental health and yup I was right and just left like a little over half way through

    • @alexanderavila4662
      @alexanderavila4662 Před rokem

      Then you haven’t seen bad for what it is

    • @PeacefulJoint
      @PeacefulJoint Před rokem +1

      Awful lot of people who sniff their own farts in wine glasses around here

    • @SergyMilitaryRankings
      @SergyMilitaryRankings Před rokem +5

      @@princessbunny80085 if you think this movie stigmatized mental illness then you didn't get what it was trying to say

  • @soup1649
    @soup1649 Před 2 lety +2050

    Before i saw Joker i thought life was a cringe compilation, but now i realize it's a try not to laugh challenge.

  • @oozekip
    @oozekip Před 2 lety +2247

    I just find it hilarious that Todd Phillips was out there complaining about how he can't make "edgy" humor anymore because people are too sensitive these days the same year JoJo Rabbit won an Oscar. You know, that critically acclaimed comedy about a child in the Hitler Youth who has an imaginary friend Hitler played by the films director.

    • @wetsock7790
      @wetsock7790 Před 2 lety +323

      Exactly. You can make movies about heavy topics, what these dingbats don't understand is that you still have to be sensible with how you're treating the villain and not side with him while also understanding the weight of the situation

    • @daniellee9328
      @daniellee9328 Před 2 lety +43

      Jojo Rabbit wasn't edgy at all. Making fun of Hitler and the Nazis is an incredibly safe thing to do.

    • @zircobyte
      @zircobyte Před 2 lety +331

      @@daniellee9328 you would think, right? But it’s easy to accidentally slip into antisemetic sentiments, especially when you have internalised antisemetic issues you haven’t addressed; and some anti-nazi comedy seems to take the piss more out of the scale of the Holocaust, or it’s methods, and less about the fact that Jewish people (also: Romani people, the disabled, poc and gay people) specifically were the ones targeted. That’s just what I’ve spotted, anyway.

    • @tonytynebridge510
      @tonytynebridge510 Před 2 lety +6

      @@zircobyte go outside

    • @zircobyte
      @zircobyte Před 2 lety +267

      @@tonytynebridge510 Went outside. My dog enjoyed the walk. Thanks for the feedback

  • @IlyTheVampire
    @IlyTheVampire Před 2 lety +18

    Unpopular opinion: I don't think Joaquin Phoenix deserves the praise he gets for this movie. He was there, doing what he always does. All the time I was thinking "Yup, that's him. Joaquin Phoenix." I couldn't see the Joker, Arthur, whatever, all I could see was Joaquin Phoenix going for an Oscar, and if an actor can't disappear into a character, then I personally don't think they're not doing a good job. Surely not a great one.
    I also really really disliked this movie in general, so, take that as you will.

    • @Go_away__
      @Go_away__ Před rokem +2

      Joaquin Pheonix has starred in: The Gladiator, Her, Walk the Line, The Immigrant, and like a ton of other character-driven movies where he plays uniquely different roles. You either have no idea what you're talking about or are speaking facetiously.

    • @IlyTheVampire
      @IlyTheVampire Před rokem +4

      You know, decent vocabulary becomes kind of meaningless when coupled with poor reading comprehension. Please show me which part of my comment made you think that I consider Joaquin Phoenix a bad actor in general, because I assure you that I literally never said that: I only stated that I didn't enjoy his performance *in this movie* (i.e. Joker 2019, in case that's not clear enough and you feel like implying again that I'm just ignorant). Nothing against him in general, but the smell of Oscar bait was a bit too overpowering for me here. Just my opinion.

    • @richierich2229
      @richierich2229 Před rokem

      @@IlyTheVampire if an actor can’t disappear into a role they’re not doing a great job ? I mean Tom cruise was amazing in magnolia. Leonardo DiCaprio is always DiCaprio he’s always good. I don’t get your statement just because an actor can’t disappear into their role then the performance is bad or not good ? That’s bs

    • @IlyTheVampire
      @IlyTheVampire Před rokem +1

      @@richierich2229 I'm sorry, I don't know how I could explain it better than I already did. Also, since this apparently isn't clear: I never said that Joaquin Phoenix isn't a good actor, I just didn't like his work here. As I said, too Oscar bait-y for my tastes. (Which, to be fair, is an issue I have with a few of Di Caprio's roles).
      Okay, so, I don't know if you've ever seen the show Orphan Black, but almost all of the main characters were played by Tatiana Maslany. I'm bringing it up because, as I watched the show, sometimes I straight up forgot that those 5 core characters (plus others) were played by the same person. She was really great at becoming them.
      Arthur, on the other hand, to me never felt like a character, but more like the means to an end (ie: the Oscar). I never, for a single second, forgot that I was watching Joaquin Phoenix.

  • @fairygothmother111
    @fairygothmother111 Před 2 lety +20

    this video rocked!! said everything i was thinking about the movie - i started it and literally couldn’t get past the first few scenes it felt like the director was literally nudging me being like “did ya get it”

  • @pkmcburroughs
    @pkmcburroughs Před 4 lety +319

    I thought my life was a tragedy, but now I realize it's an infomercial for a set of steak knives.
    *effortlessly slices through an empty soda can*

  • @plagueofjoe
    @plagueofjoe Před 2 lety +3040

    The real message of the Joker: a whole lot of people will get really passionately behind a person or people they like without having any care or understanding of what they do or stand for.

    • @DonkeyBoyVids
      @DonkeyBoyVids Před 2 lety +183

      That's what I really got from it, Arthur didn't really have a true point besides a sort of twisted revenge, but everyone else thought he was in some way

    • @pillbugm8914
      @pillbugm8914 Před 2 lety +71

      that's a bit like Taxi Driver honestly, which I think The Joker was sort of inspired by along with some other Scorsese films

    • @DonkeyBoyVids
      @DonkeyBoyVids Před 2 lety +17

      @@pillbugm8914 yeah and obviously so. People would've taken that a lot better though if the DC property weren't attached imo

    • @kstar1489
      @kstar1489 Před 2 lety +95

      Ironically that’s what of the fans are doing with this movie

    • @BEEEELEEEE
      @BEEEELEEEE Před 2 lety +82

      So it’s about it’s own fans, how meta

  • @bellamytinna4437
    @bellamytinna4437 Před 2 lety +37

    My favorite part of this whole, extremely well-thought out video essay is when she mixes her metaphors and gives us "the biggest, oldest hat". I want the biggest oldest hat to come back.

  • @renee8591
    @renee8591 Před 2 lety +106

    I feel like one issue with movies like The Joker is that it's not enough to be enjoyable because it's also supposed to be a serious movie. Like if you were to say Justice Leauge was kind of stupid/bad but you still enjoyed it, no one would really bat an eye. But to say The Joker was kind of stupid/bad but you still enjoyed it doesn't work quite as well because it's not a fun superhero romp, it's a serious character study. Serious character studies don't get to be a little (unintentionally) stupid and still be serious character studies. Which is fine, except that the more unhinged fans are drawn to this film because it's a serious, deep film. The second it stops being taken seriously, it just becomes the "we live in a society" meme movie, and people who want to use enjoying this movie as an intellectual bragging point just become jokes. That's why the Joker can't just be an enjoyable movie to certain fans, it has to be a Good movie.

    • @wet-read
      @wet-read Před rokem +15

      It might be serious, but it isn't deep. Like at all. The script leaves no room for any real suspense or subtlety. This is just one among several other glaring problems.

    • @mammoneymelon
      @mammoneymelon Před rokem +10

      i think you explained the problem with the movie very well. arthur's character doesn't feel super fleshed out in this CHARACTER study, his actions don't seem to have a clear purpose to him, so the movie just turns into a joke about fake deep, half thought out storytelling (and incel talking points)

  • @applecrow8
    @applecrow8 Před 4 lety +883

    I never thought Meryl Streep would make a good Joker but now I have to see her try it.

    • @prosimian21
      @prosimian21 Před 4 lety +64

      I'd like to see Joaquin Phoenix singing The Winner Takes It All.

    • @ErebosGR
      @ErebosGR Před 4 lety +14

      She would've made a good Harley Quinn, 30 years ago.

    • @neutralman9124
      @neutralman9124 Před 4 lety +13

      @@ErebosGR She could still do it probably lol

    • @SummeRain783
      @SummeRain783 Před 4 lety +4

      Loool I just imagined that and I have to say... it makes sense

    • @NoahKodeki
      @NoahKodeki Před 4 lety +14

      Applecrow well yeah, duh, obviously. Meryl Streep can do anything.

  • @beccaleslie5924
    @beccaleslie5924 Před 4 lety +1258

    honey, you've got a big storm coming

    • @kaylandra
      @kaylandra Před 4 lety +4

      save yourself 😔

    • @GARY84ROCKS
      @GARY84ROCKS Před 4 lety +2

      Becca Leslie
      She'll be just fine, babe. Sticks and stones.

    • @Mr-Tibbster
      @Mr-Tibbster Před 4 lety +42

      @@sukedent1 You could shop at 5 or 6 stores.. or just ONE. *Random out of context physical action*.

    • @mathieuleader8601
      @mathieuleader8601 Před 4 lety

      HUMUNGOUS

    • @WangFire
      @WangFire Před 4 lety +15

      Everyone already knows Jenny only has respectable opinions on theme parks and porgs. Everything else is "what would be funny and different? Hmmm"

  • @anniee5487
    @anniee5487 Před 6 měsíci +15

    How dare you come for winner takes it all? I'll have to make a 12 hr response video

  • @Gymrat-sy3lr
    @Gymrat-sy3lr Před rokem +21

    3 years later, still waiting on that dogs purpose trilogy

  • @bemiatto67
    @bemiatto67 Před 4 lety +546

    It's not a Jenny Nicholson video unless she starts with, "So,".

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen Před 4 lety +2

      crossover with Donoteat when

    • @Dan-ji4db
      @Dan-ji4db Před 4 lety +3

      Omg how did i not notice she literally starts every video with "so."
      CANNOT UNSEE

  • @indigopines
    @indigopines Před 4 lety +718

    I dont remember where I heard this, but with the twist ending, someone once said "if the twist is more boring than the alternative, dont have a twist" ie, it was a made up story, the characters were dreaming, etc.

    • @Dumpknoedel
      @Dumpknoedel Před 3 lety +19

      I think that was trope talks, she's awesome

    • @themadladorian4364
      @themadladorian4364 Před 3 lety +16

      The twist wasn't that it was all made up. It's just the relationship with the girl that was a dream.

    • @Crinkfries
      @Crinkfries Před 3 lety +49

      Carbonite Hunter that was still boring tbh, it just made me think “oh, he’s crazy.” When we already knew that

    • @TobiasFangorIsntCis
      @TobiasFangorIsntCis Před 3 lety +16

      Red from Overly Sarcastic Productions

    • @blinkusfishus2052
      @blinkusfishus2052 Před 3 lety +13

      Couch Potato I kinda ‘guessed’ it after she appeared to know his name, even though he never told her, it was my least favourite part of the film.

  • @Obi-WanCanBlowMe
    @Obi-WanCanBlowMe Před 4 měsíci +9

    I refuse to acknowledge Arthur Fleck as The Joker when they’re both completely different characters and the only thing they have in common is the suit

    • @aztn19
      @aztn19 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Exactly!! The story works better if Arthur Fleck isn’t The Joker at all, instead of being the worst version of the character.

  • @SirBlix
    @SirBlix Před rokem +15

    Imagine they did the ending twist and it was Jared Leto telling the story the whole time.

    • @shigekax
      @shigekax Před 4 dny

      Jared leto daydreaming about being a much better actor