Will this be the perfect throttle? Smarter Pilot series.
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- čas přidán 12. 01. 2022
- We have tried many throttles so far, and every single one of them had some aspects that could have been improved.
Either they are too bulky, or the lever too far out, or they are not sensitive enough, the standard throttles you can find now on the market, share the same concept: one lever that pulls a steel cable with a linear actuation.
So, we decided to come up with our own design, and this one is the very first prototype we assembled and tested. Among other new features as the super-slim body, we decided to have a non-linear actuation, so you can dose the mid-range RPM much smoother and more precisely.
This is one of the first videos that will document our journey to the perfect throttle solution.
Enjoy!
There are a lot more smarter videos to come out soon!
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very few people in the paramotoring world are really trying new things. From those trying, only a handful are knowledgeable enough to make it work well, and from these very few, only Miroslav (did I spell your name correctly?) posts the development process in a detailed manner for everyone to see. kudos to Scout aviation for doing this 👏👏👏
Please add a cruise control :)
sure. that is on the list as the last item. easy.
ALL innovators are OC to a degree, keep at it!
It's great you take it to the smallest detail.👍
I agree with comments suggesting you should do the "flight by wire" throttle. Doing so you will be able to completely separate the hand movement from the carburettor/efi control. Then you connect them with smart programmable electronics, producing any desirable and configurable curve (not to mention cruise control, independence from the cable bending, trainer assist, security shutdown, etc. - you name it).
Also, the throttle handle is a good natural place for some useful displays like EGT, CHT, RPM, Fuel.
Such throttle was developed by my friend here in slovakia. It was a Bluetooth wireless throttle. I had it on the box and did not install. I was scared by the complexity of the system, too many things to fail. Not for me
Congrats for testing new ideas, my concern for this throttle is that new pilots stumbling into the ground with their hands out could easily make full throttle just when they least need full throttle
Love seeing the design process, keep up the good work.
So informative... great videos you are making. I really appreciate
I like how you’re solving this problem and where this throttle development is headed. Good job. Can’t wait to see the final version.
Very nice! I can't wait for the new improved "PTB" Throttle 2.0 Very cool 👍😎👍
Nice work, all these small adjustments on our gear makes a difference over all.
Cool...!!! Cant wait to test it!
Love it
So happy to see a new possible design! Definitely needed, especially for smaller hands and also to just to free up the first two fingers and the palm area. A smooth articulating throttle is so important. If anyone can do it it’s those two!👍
The next great throttle will be a Blue Tooth device without cable, sending a signal to an actuator bolted to the EFI pump or Carbie.
Submitting my interest for prototype testing ;-)
Never stop innovating!!! 😀👍
Another thought --- When safety is at stake, nothing beats the simplicity of a basic lever attached to a wire. That said, you're pushing the envelope here, and humans have been doing Fly-by-wire in aviation for a respectable amount of time. Perhaps in-place of the various meshed exocentric gears, you could use a potentiometer to read throttle position on the throttle, and a servo mounted on the engine to control the throttle position. Use a microcontroller to read the potentiometer and apply the output curves via software. At very least in the development phase you could very quickly tune different 'dosing bands' --- even tweak them in-flight! Then you can 'print' the curves to physical meshed gearing for production?
Another advantage would be a massive weight reduction for the wire connecting the hand throttle to the microcontroller mounted on the engine. Maybe as simple as an RS-422 cable?
Might even be able to reuse the SafeStart controller to house the I/O and logic in the short term? GAH! I love this project!
Eventually you could plug it into an altitude hold mode style Autopilot for your photography/filming of Iceland shenanigans?
A perfectly throttle would be fly-by-wire. Cruise control would then be easy to implement along with forced idle for safety.
If you really want a perfect throttle, I know an incredibly skilled electronics engineer in UK that has already done much of the work that would cross over for this application. I'd be happy to connect you.
Wow! It's great that you are thinking outside of the box. I am quite interested in the development of a NEW product!
Put a separate throttle on you leg that you operate with your foot on your other leg
Use hand throttle till you get in the air then stow that throttle and slde the foot throttle down your leg and use your other foot to operate it.when you want to land just reverse by sliding it back up your leg then use the hand throttle.
the next throttle that I like is the " rodeo ergonomic throttle".the last time I checked I wanted the throttle to be on my right. this throttle is near perfect. at the moment I use parajet throttle with .no probs.
Great work👍
I am really interested to see how the final product will look and feel like! If the throttle works just as smooth or even smoother than than a normal one, the ergonomics can really be a great benefit. I am a little skeptical whether the transmission of traction can be implemented very smoothly.
Keep on the good work👍🤗
Looks good guys. Be nice if there is capability to adjust the reach of lever for different hand sizes. Look forward to seeing it progress
If you run hydraulic are you going to have a cable backup?
Not a bad idea guys. I think a few more adjustments and it would be great... Another question; Do you have any trike with throtle control on the foot like in deltawing trikes?
Love everything about what you're doing! I'm excited to see what you eventually come up with. I wish there was a way to get the throttle control off of the hands - as its a complication that is extra confusing, especially for beginners. If still on the hand, I think at least if there was a -reliable- way to do a wireless throttle, or perhaps attach the actuator lever to the thumb instead of the fingers.
All you need to make that come true is a servo, a servo tester, and a battery. I have considered that option myself but a lot if people see it as an extra failure point. With that said I never had a single servo issue all the years I flew nitro model airplanes.
What vest are you wearing?
Hello my friend Can you tell me what is the best engine for two-person flight and what brand do you suggest for tandem flight?
What a great aviation company Scout is. Now... I wish for a complete well documented Scout mono nanotrike innovation. If Parajet can do it with the new Maverick Lite Trike so can Scout and probably better. Paramotors are very close to changing the sport aviation panorama completely and radically. I'm sure a full 2 hour electric Scout in 2024 will happen , light , cheap and reliable. Keep up the good work !
I wish for that 2hr electric option too, but sadly I doubt batteries will be quite that good by 2024, but we can always dream for now! But once batteries get there I will just build it myself...electric is so easy n fun projects!
Guys, please use some better mics!
What are your thoughts on Thumb operated throttles? I always thought that they make sense for PPG if designed correctly. Stronger muscles and not used for anything else in flight. Not so good for peeling bananas, but I use cruise control for things like that on my current throttle.
My though would be to have the hardware on the back/bottom of the hand so there's as little as possible in my palm, ideally just a strap and my fingers are free to operate the brakes.
i was considering that too. I came to a conclusion I want to keep my index finger and thumb free to peel my banana... (zippers, camera lens, selfie stick, trimmers)
@Harry --- I was thinking the same thing. I did realize however that my takeoff has the A's hung in my thumbs, which could be and interesting interaction --- I agree the tradeoff would probably be worth it however as 99% of the flight is NOT takeoff :)
How many horsepower do we need for a two-person flight?
To improve the sound quality of your videos you should use lavalier microphones, and also you should level out the differences in loudness in the editing process. A compressor and limiter plug-in could be a helpful tool for that. And please, reduce the volume of the music. Thanks.
First of all good work!
I thought about cordless throttle. Why do we need a cable? Just take a servo from rc model and try to build it as a shifter for the carb. I think it’s possible. No great thing.
This would be a throttle next Gen. I think…
Keep your work on.
that has already been invented by others. Actually we even had one in house. Honestly I do not see much benefit from it. But I see more parts to fail possibly.
@@SCOUTaviation Maybe a wired connection rather than cordless ? Would eliminate the issue on cold mornings of cold oil/grease causing sticky throttle ? Either way I will be watching development with interest, its good to watch someone trying genuine innovation (without trashing competitors).
I'm with @Graham --- A wired solution, with a data cable between the throttle and the engine mounted servo could be the best of all worlds. Essentially a fly-by-wire system, there are VERY reliable solutions that could be developed - possibly even more reliable than traditional throttle cables due to maintenance requirements. The cost would be of no comparison --- cables are bargain basement cheap.
Will you be offering the throttle as a stand alone item or will it only come with a Scout Paramotor???
a bit too early for this... sure as standalone as well. Even the SafeStart is available for everyone. Because safety
@@SCOUTaviation Thanks for your research and answer.
Think wireless and small hands.
half of our team thinks small hands:-)
we do not think wireless though.
An improvement to your videos would be sub titles in English, some people have bad hearing