SC2 Mercenaries vs their Ladder Version
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- čas přidán 17. 10. 2022
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Round 1 ▶ 50 Merc Marines vs 75 Marines
Round 2 ▶ 50 Hammer Securities vs 50 Marauders
Round 3 ▶ 50 Devil Dogs vs 60 Firebats
Round 4 ▶ 50 Spartan Companies vs 60 Goliaths
Round 5 ▶ 50 Siege Breakers vs 55 Siege Tanks
Round 6 ▶ 50 Hel's Angels vs 200 Vikings
Round 7 ▶ 50 Jackson's Revenge vs 70 Battlecruisers
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Don't you just love ladder goliaths and firebats?
Also I know, I know, I didn't make the banshee mercs fight...
Ladder Goliaths and Firebats are so OP that they don't even appear in ladder to win ladder.
Coulda compensated by doing a second Viking/Hel's Angel in their ground configuration.
Banshees can't fight each other as they can only hit ground 😂
@@Unknown.NotRegistered That's... a really good idea
You could have made their attacks capable of hitting air so that they could fight one another.
It would have been a hilarious wtf moment.
That firebat fight almoust burned my eyes out.
fight fire with fire
@@zuni0476 Ready to roast!
Smoking
@@RufusKyura “how would you like your cook : original or extra crispy “
I’ve thought for the longest time that Jackson’s revenge were named after the players profile name or something so everyone had their own ship with their name in it.
That would've been soo cool!
That's pretty funny I probably would have thought that if my name was it's name too. it's Named after andrew Jackson I believe
@@cringedefender5264 They really should've named it after John Paul Jones.
@@minimalgrammar1276 yes or some other historical general
wrrrr
That Hel’s Angels AOE was nuts
Strike hard and fast!
Man I love vikings
Right? Talk about a FIREWALL!
Vikings are so fun on ladder, no one expects a mob of vikings to just fly in, land, mow their base down in record time, and leave without any elaboration.
Like the Vikings of old. Carrying on the proud tradition.
Spartan Company failing against a lightly larger amount of Goliaths: "Sounds reasonable. They're not that buffed up, plus being more of an anti-air unit"
Hammer Securities failing against the same amount of Marauders: "What do we pay you for?!"
Both Hammer Security and Devil Dogs has less range than they ladder version (in this video), so, the normal Marauders star with advantage between his up version. However, i stil think: "How the hell Hammer Security fail angaist Marauders?????"
Also, idk if they range was modified in some patch notes of game, or still the standart version in campaign
Hammer was least buffed out of all merc to be fair
Only like 20/25% or 25/20% compare to normal campaign marauder
Normal Marauder was supposed to have 25% less health, but they buffed ladder Marauder health to the same as Hammer Securities after WoL released, which took away their only advantage since campaign Marauders can’t stimpack, which negates H.Sec’s higher per damage attack.
I mean, they were actually an even tie in effectiveness. The problem was that marauders had a slightly luckier targeting.
Honestly the Battlecruiser one was bullshit, they gave the jackson NONE of its upgrades.
in large numbers the size of the unit counts. The ladder version units are smaller and they bunch up more.Having more fire power faster
That match between the Devil Dogs and Firebats. When they are trying to drown each other in fire.
A lot of cooked geese 😉
"fight fire with fire"
Well Done and not Rare lol
That Firebat vs Devil Dog fight was a thing of burning beauty.
And Spartan Company Goliaths win the DERP award.
Its due to unit size. If the Spartans had even minor splash they would have slaughtered
My god I just love the firebat voice. It's so good
I just wish it didn't have the delay when attacking
One might say it's kinda hot
I actually thought ladder BC's had a shot there with being so different from WOL BC's, didn't realize Jackson's were so damn tanky
Super tanky, and extra damage over the base WoL BC.
Main advantage ladder BC have is being able to shoot while moving, which these matches never take advantage of unfortunately. Tactical jump is the other one, which is a very strong tool...whose power isnt easy to translate to a simple deathmatch
The actual reason is due to ladder BCs having trash anti-air damage. Ladder BCs only deal 6 damage to air while Jacksons deal 12 to air. When you factor in the base 3 armor for BCs, the BCs deal 3 damage per shot and Jacksons deal 9. So the Jacksons have tripled the anti-air damage output in this matchup.
@@joshuakim5240 Ladder BC ATA damage has been 5 for like 3-4 years now so with the JR having full armour they're doing 2 damage per shot. Though I haven't played WOL in a while so correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you mixed up the ATS/ATA of the JR. Like the BC, I'm pretty sure the JR has significantly stronger ATS than ATA, so it's their ground attack that's at 12 and ATA that's 8 or 9. Still a pretty significant damage increase, especially with their Yamato doing 300 damage rather than the 240 of current ladder BC's and their increased health.
@@SaulGoodman3D2049
The WoL campaign BCs have identical ATS and ATA damage (which seems pointless to label them separate attacks), but you are right that ladder BCs only deal 5 dmg. I also completely forgot about the WoL Yamato damage since it's been so long and yeah, that packs a way bigger punch than ladder to give the Jacksons another advantage.
I don't remember what the damage table is for the marauder versus the hammer security, but the difference in damage must be something where it doesn't actually change the number of total shots it takes to kill one versus the other
Lotv marauders are also apparently quite different from WoL marauders
Isnt it something to do with how bulky hammers are? I think they were bigger, thus their lines were smaller than the normal marauders.
@@alejandronieto4212 That's what got the Spartan company, but not the Hammer Securities. They just weren't buffed to match LotV firepower.
Hammers need fewer shots, the problem is that translates to more overkill. Making things worse is they can’t stimpack while ladder Marauders can.
@@GintaPPE1000 You're right that they can't stim in the campaign, however in this video we can see stim is available to them and them using it weirdly. I didn't even know there was a version of Hammer Security that can stim (maybe in Amon's forces in coop?)
Watching the Jackson's revenge fleet just power through the Yamato cannon barrage like it was nothing, and then be very outnumbered for like a good minute, just to come back from the brink of losing and kill the last battlecruiser as it was preparing to fire was the most badass thing.
Everyone: Facing higher numbers or crushing the same-ish amount of opponents.
Hammer Securities and Spartan company: :clown_face:
air quotes spartan.
That Marauder battle really shows how critical troop positioning really is. Also damn I forgot how bad the Battlecruiser anti-air was
I’m wanting to see Dominion Elite units versus Nova’s Elite units. Had the thought because of this.
So what happened with the Marauders is that on the ladder they have 125 HP but for some reason in the campaign they have 100. Hammer Security has bonus HP, but it just brings them back to 125.
Both sides Stim down to 105.
While Hammer does 24 base damage to the ladder’s 20, once you factor in +1/+1 upgrades the math works out so each side needs five attacks to kill the other. It’s an even fight.
damn those campaign upgrades on the hel's angels made a world of diffrence
That last battle was surprising. Keep em coming...been playing SC franchise since it dropped in 98.
I still find it funny that the Fire Bat is actually one of the most tankiest units in the Terran race.
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5/7, for some reason I never felt Hammer Securities was that bad during the campaign lol oh well.
That final air battle was pretty cool, despite how one-sided it was 😂
Ladder Marauders was buffed, but Hammers remained the same.
@@user-klepikovmd ah that makes sense then
Not only the mercs, if you play the WoL campaign you'll get to play with all the units as they were on release, since the devs decided to separete the unit data from ladder that way they didn't have to worry about rebalancing the campaign if they decided to rebalance the versus mode.
You get to see some oddities like the removed special attack ultralisks had agasint buildings and the complelty busted siegetanks that dealt full damage to everything
@@sebastianvroom7595 wait so siege tanks SHOULDNT nuke all ground forces like they do in campaign?
@@wolfwarrior1176 WoL is very heavy balanced around siege tank mega death line however. There are several defense missions. All In would be nigh impossible with ladder tanks
Great to see Firebats and DDs live by their own words. respect+
I always thought the Hammer Securities and Spartan Co felt weak I guess this confirms my feeling
50 Marauders beat 50 Hammer Securities, How is that possible?
It was close enough that it could have gone either way?
Bad micro AI
I guess ladder marauders have been massively buffed since the wings of liberty campaign?
@@andrewblake8286 but, Hammers have more life more damage. 30% of Im not mistake.
At the end it was just down to targeting priority. Hammer Securities targeted full health marauders instead of the low/1hp ones, allowed normal marauders to stay even with damage.
Hammer securities took me by surprise, NGL, but I instantly knew the Spartan Company was going to lose, you see, they suffer from the same problem Nova's Elite Goliaths, they are fat, meaning that they fit less models on the same battle line compared to regular ones, turning their stat advantage null.
A siege tank rematch where both go into siege mode once they're all in range would be cool to see
Just the flame wall in the fire at fight? Amazing
To me, it is like SC1 vs SC2 units because some of them are old ued units with some adjustments .
I really do think this one is one that should have just matched costs, just to see which one is more effective per supply/price, which is the whole argument for getting mercs in campaign
That Firebat battle tho 😎
I do and shocked how certain units dominate the battlefield and others 😅😆 equal sad though about the banshee can't fight each other
Hells angel are insane
I was looking forward to Banshees vs Dusk Wings [they just fly past each other] Draw.
I love the Siege Tanks dropping the "siege" and just being tanks for once... XD
They may not have the insane range and area damage, but they still deal solid damage with a surprisingly fast rate of fire (faster than a Marauder).
The BC battle was the most ansioux thing i ever saw
Can you make it so that two teams consisting mostly of Marines and several banshees fought and who might have rushed into battle first so that they were immediately destroyed
i remember that the jackson revenge made an special atack in area
The missile pods yeah! It does share energy with yamato though. Honestly now I'm curious if it'd be better here...
Hey, Tya! I've got a suggestion on your videos. Can you add information about unit's damage, armour, type, hp/shields?
hmm i only got 2 wrong XD the marauder fight and the goliath fight :P loved this lol that BC fight was so long lol and those jacksons revenge are super tanky lol
Imagine battles of Mengsk's HotS Royal Guard vs Mengsk's Co-op Royal Guard
Most of Mengsk’s co-op guard are actually a lot stronger. There’s modded versions of The Reckoning out there for you to see for yourself.
Devil Dog vs. Firebat: I heard you like the color O R A N G E ?
i wonder,can you make a video compared unit in mass recall campaign (sc1) to unit in sc2,i want to see how their change stats play out
The firebat fight reminded me of the super best friends punisher playthrough...but I am sure I'm the only one old enough to know what I'm talking about
Spartan Company needs some good old fashioned discipline. That's what they need.
firebat range is insane compared to devildogs but the hp difference is key though
OK, I was not expecting the Marauder one to go this way...
My god the battlecruisers!
Should've made a banshee fight too, them just flying through each other or something
Could’ve been time to destroy a command center.
i kinda wanna see raynor’s barracks units from coop with backwater marshal against stuff
I learned from this experience that viking area damage is completely and entirely OP.
This video is asking a very good question is quantity better then quality or is quality better then quantity aka the Mercs are quality and the ladder is quantity
I do love your vids it can help because then you know which units beat other units or to see some cool battles
I think the BCs should shoot ground AND air at the same time, at least the campaign/mercenaries versions, would be badass :D
Btw you made a mistake in the scorebaord at the end, it is the mercenaries BCs who won.
I was expecting a Banshee fight as a joke
Full Terran noice !
You should use for a true comparaison when you use theme for the same cost of mineral and vespen
How do you get the original voices of the units to say stuff?
Should have named the Devil Dogs as Hell's Angels.... I mean they spit fire......
The Goliath comparison should have been about how many mutas each type can take down, not setting them against each other with their shitty autocannons. No one trains a Goliath for its ground attack.
No banshees vs dusk wings? :( we missed a staring contest for the ages!
This was cool. … In the future, I would love to see a Merc Commander.
you mean... like tychus?
Prestige 1 Raynor should have had mercs. Instead we got sparse amounts of bio units with double hp that do no damage early game.
More like Graven Hill. ... "Lots of folks ready to fight... for the right price."
That’s what Nova is. Her structures even work like the merc compound.
Nova's Elite Special Ops Units are similar but not quite the same as Merc Compound Units. Elite Spec Op units seem more beefy and have better upgrades, IMHO. ... I view Hill as more of a Merc Recruiter who works closely with Raynor and Swan supplying them with slightly better versions of their units than a supplier of Spec Ops units. ... Was thinking a Hill Commander could play like Merc Recruiter. Get his units directly from the Merc Compound Structure. As a Merc Recruiter, he could offer his Merc Units a Recruitment Bonus to rapidly reduce the unit availability (charge counter) time in his Merc Compound; however, the drawback of this effect is that the current price of the Merc Units would temporally increase a bit. (Think it like a reverse MUEL effect.) IMHO, the Recruiter theme would paly off of Hill's "Right Price" quote. ... And, since Hill uses Raynor-Swan type units, his upgrades would be from their relevant unit upgrade pallet. ... What would make Hill unique as a Commander in DIRECT STRIKE is that he would be the only Commander that could field an army entirely of Merc Units.
COLLATERAL IS MY FAVORITE KINDA DAMAGE!!!
Man the Vikings vs Hels Angel's showed that in mass fights, slash damage is everything. Also, the fight between Spartan Company and the Goliaths was surprisingly one-sided. I thought Spartan Company would win o.o
Not splash damage, micro. The vikings lost because they stacked up. If they had continued moving until they surrounded the Hels Angels they would have won, despite taking more initial damage from when they were moving.
Now that i think those merc could be best buff for raynor if it could be implemented
Raynor’s already an amazing commander. He just needs micro, but he has the highest DPS of anyone.
now we know we should use mercs
3/7- Merc BC armor is insane
On the contrary both BCs have the same armor value but Jacksons revenge damage is higher, although they attack slower.
At full upgrades Jacksons revenge attacks every 0.225 seconds, so about 9 times in 2 seconds, for 11 damage dealing a total of 5 damage per attack, due to BCs having 6 armor at max upgrades,
The ladder BC on the other hand attacks every 0.16 seconds, about 13 times in 2 seconds, for 8 damage dealing a total of 2 damage per attack.
Add the fact that Jacksons revenge has 700 HP compared to the 550 of the regular BC.
@@timbo3286 ahh gotcha. i was never good at remembering or figuring out the actual damage
@@timbo3286 Hold up there. Are you talking about LotV BCs when you talk about their attack speed? Because every time someone mentions attack speed in LotV ladder compared to campaign units, they forget to account for the fact that LotV tooltips are made around faster time while campaign tooltips are made around normal time. In other words, in a battle against Jackson’s Revenge, normal BCs actually have a .16 * 1.4 second rate of fire.
@@ThisIsntACZcamsr Huh i did not know that. Ok that means they attack just as often as Jacksons for much lower damage while jacksons also have more HP.
Thanks for the info.
PSA FOR EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT MARAUDERS VS HAMMER SECURITIES
Marauders and Hammer Securities have the same attack speed, even in LotV. The tooltips are only different because Marauder numbers are calculated under FASTER time while Hammer Security numbers are calculated under NORMAL time. When pitted against each other, you need to realize that they are firing at the same rate of fire! They also both have stim in this video, so there is no point about attack speed difference.
Of course, this does not change the fact that Hammer Securities are bad mercenaries, as seen in the video.
the only disadvantage mercenaries units have is the size. And in large numbers counts. Because they can't bunch up like the ladder units having less or same firepower as the ladder units right away. So it must be that. Mercenaries units are good in small numbers not in mass.
how about campagn units vs MP units, like firebats vs marauders
I was waiting for duskwing vs banshees
Goliath, the ladder version
Maybe Banshees and Dusk Wings could have a competition on how fast they can kill a certain target instead?
I've been watching starcraft 2 content and enjoying it for a good year now. And I still don't know what ladder units are. Can someone please explain it to me? Cuz I googled it and found nothing that explained it
Did Hammer Securities actually have Stim? I always thought campaign Marauders were stim less.
They were. Actual Hammer security are worse.
Fireabats were added to the ladder?
1:01 imagine ultralisk between it
The first time that I've notice thst the viking mercs are called Hel's Angels, not Hell's Angels
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should have grabbed my welding mask for that third one
# blindedbythelight
I just love Jackson's revenge's attack animation, and I think the battlecruiser's blink actually pulled them back? Because they have to fly back in and not attack.
Nobody in their right mind would ever autocast tactical jump.
meanwhile Dusk Wings are like '................'
wait hold on why did the hammer securities even have stim. they didn't have stim in WOL
What no Banshees?
I don't think Hammer Securities should have stimpack. Maybe that's just me.
Why no banshee vs husk wings?
Wow Hells Angel are pretty good against there counterfeit 😂
What on earth was that Marauder fail...
The mercs have higher stats, and yet lost...? In a 1-1 ratio battle...
Please update your tyas defense map!
I got 4/6. (I was spoiled on the goliath fight)
But what about Dusk Wings vs Banshees? I NEED TO KNOW!
Also I realizes BCs jumping away from the fight doesn't really help them like with stalkers, they don't regenerate health, it just weakens the battle line.
A 1HP battlecruiser deals just as much as a 550HP one though. That's mainly how the Stalkers win, especially in short fights. It's also why you see some Stalker formations lose almost nothing at the start, and then suddenly collapse.
@@Darkside007yeah but stalkers have the reasoning that injured ones will regen some shield after blinking to the back. There’s a small net gen for the stalkers group that isn’t the case for bcs, the sum hit points will be the same, plus bcs can attack while moving, it’s even losing firepower when they are not in the front.
Why do merc marauders have stims?
I think WoL maduraders were weaker and had no stim. LotV mauraders are super buffed, basically Hammer securities with faster attack rate, stim and range
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The Siege Breakers and Hel's Angels are easily the best mercs in WoL. The Siege Breakers are just...wow! In siege mode they wreck just about anything they have vision of and in tank mode, well you saw what just happened. With Hel's Angels their AoE attack advantage gives them that solid advantage. The Dusk Wings (banshees) also aren't bad with their AoE upgrade. If I had to rank the mercs from best to worst it would be:
1. Siege Breakers
2. Hel's Angels
3. Dusk Wings
4. War Pigs (marines): Their survivability alone make them worth it.
5. Spartan Company: Mostly for their anti-air which we didn't get to see here.
6. Jackson's Revenge: The biggest advantage here is the ability to have a BC in battle with no starport and fusion core.The unit itself is... okay, and you only get one per mission. It sure does look cool, though.
7. Hammer Securities: I'm not sure what happened here. Did the AI derp out because units with added damage and health should win. I also wonder if they had the WoL armory upgrades.
8. Devil Dogs: It should be fairly obvious that firebats are pretty useless in SC2; I don't even think they were all that great in SC1. Upgraded or not I generally don't bother.
Kind of suck there weren't any Protoss mercenaries in LOTV.
Then again LOTV had a lot of missed opportunities.
That’s what the faction units were. They are all elite versions of multiplayer units.
What about fight between ground vikings?
Ladder wins handily. Anti-mech damage and Hel’s have no ground splash
4:31 hm...
What is the red/blue icon below the resources cost?
Production time.
@@Xtoxinlolinecronomicon Thank you very much
@@Gil-Galad You're welcome!
It not production time it the cost of the unit in direct strike a gamemode that Tya made
the icon the red and blue is the direct strike icon
6/7
Got the Goliaths wrong
Spartans, making Goliath s9mehow even worse...
Thé hamer security choc me