British citizens living in EU 'left out in the cold' with Brexit | Perspective • FRANCE 24 English
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- "The British government has left us out in the cold," says Terence Knott. He's the man behind EUBritizens, an action group of British people living in #Europe whose lives have changed dramatically due to #Brexit. They've lost their freedom of movement and their right to study, their professional qualifications no longer apply and some are even stuck at home unable to drive as their driving licenses are no longer valid. They're aiming long term to win back European citizenship, starting with a legal case to allow them the right to vote in Europe as they say they've been disenfranchised. Knott joined us for Perspective.
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I applied for residence when I arrived here 20 years ago. When my UK driving licence expired 10 years ago, I swapped it for a Spanish one. And the residence/id cards for non-EU citizens are now available to us, so I applied and received one last year.
These people are simply fools for not having got their act together...
Quite right. Since I was American and didn't have their privilege, I just applied and got my Spanish citizenship as soon as I legally could. This is just paperwork, but since they think somehow they're owed special treatment, they're not willing to simply jump through the hoops every other foreigner has to do when they immigrate to a country.
@@AnexoRialto Indeed. Likewise, 2 years ago, I passed the nationality and language exams, so they were in my back pocket in case Brexit turned really nasty, so I could change my nationality a little quicker if it became necessary. Quite why people are not prepared after all these years of the UK fumbling around with Brexit is beyond me...
Oh you have the right to vote!?
@@steve-thomas For the mayor in local elections yes, because (s)he represents local residents. For the local council and in general elections no, because they represent Spanish citizens. I'm fairly sure it's similar to this across most EU countries.
@@freeflyingduck It is. In most EU countries, a lot more people can vote for local government than for higher levels.
You can hear the sense of entitlement because he is ‘British ‘ in his voice.Tough!
Harsh but fair.....English entitlement rather than British
It's reciprocal you idiot. Such an entitlement is also extended to any Europeans in the UK.
You can't just displace literally 5 million people.
What do you think this is? The 3rd Reich?
He’ll be holding his breath next. Boo hoo 😢
I'm from the future. They finally admit they don goofed
Lived in France for 10 years! Why does he not have French nationality or at least a carte de sejour?
Exceptionalist
🤔
Because he did not need one as this was also his country, so to speak.
@@jetaddicted explain how this his is country if he's a brit living in the eu surely he is subject to eu rules unless he already has dual citizenship
@@danielvonliechtenstein8742 But, once Brexit was voted, he has had 5 years to regularize his status and get permanente residence. Why didn't he do?
Don’t blame the EU for a British decision. Rules and consequences were known before.
Brexit means Brexit
Er...no ... that's the problem. Yes, the rules and consequences were clear before, and plenty of people and other countries and friends tried to warn. But they weren't KNOWN BEFORE. Look now how some complain about the EU's "new" regulations (eg Schengen visas and the 90/180 day rule) while these have always existed for 3rd countries. The UK is not being treated differently from any other 3rd country. Many Brits didn't and don't understand this, and seem to think the UK is special, so it should receive special treatment as a special 3rd country. With the case of the satellite project, the UK even WROTE the rules they now don't like.
@@theon9575 The people who complain voted remain the people who voted leave don't care.
@@kethughes8266 mmmmh, not entirely a true statement.
There is plenty footage of Brexiteers out there that not feel the result of stupidity and dare to complain about it.
@@ksl2954 The EU commissioned a study done by a portuguese chap who concluded that the people who most likely voted Brexit did not travel and were most likely to suffer from competition for housing,jobs etc they have not changed their minds.There is also lots of footage of remainers saying it;s done now lets just get on with it.After 5 years I am inclined to agree.
Loved the party, however we will be suing you for the hangover we inflicted on ourselves. The sheer arrogance is mind boggling
Agreed. Exceptionalism at its finest.
The arrogance of living on another country for decades, not committing to that country by becoming a citizen but also expecting to be able to dictate to your old country what they do when you've basically left it behind. Staggering. Citizenship should mean something, not just collecting passports.
It is absolutely incredible how the English colonial mentality still exists! Who the f... does he think he is?
He's saying the opposite. How did you get to 'English Colonial mentality' from him wanting to remain part of the EU?? 😏
you evidently did not watch the video.
We are immigrants from a 3rd country the EU are never going to change the law to accommodate us because that would involve them changing the law for immigrants from other countries too!
@Stroppy Paws It's not about being a third _world_ country (common meaning as in poor). It is about being a 'third country'. It's citizens are not a citizen of a country in the EU and therefore "non-EU foreign national" aka from a 'third country'.
@Stroppy Paws dictator at the top, hugely corrupt government, food banks, homelessness... Seems to tick many boxes actually.
@Stroppy Paws It means being outside the single market and the custom union as a non EU member.
Exactly. A deadline was given to fill the legal residence, 5 years. I truly think it is more than enough.
Exactly. And UK immigrants have the advantage of being legal immigrants, for those getting citizenship isn't that difficult.
Many never registered or paid local taxes and now they’re complaining? They had 5 years to sort it out, tough.
Never expect anything friom an EXPAT.
Actually they DID pay taxes, as required bu EU Law. The fact that they never registered I have no sympathy for at all. But they DID pay Local and State Taxes.
@@packtech , eh, if they have issues with drivers licence and car registration they for sur were acting illegal and dodging those local taxes.
@@abbofun9022 I can’t say it for all countries, but in Austria you don’t need to change your EU licence, so before 31/12/2020 British licence was valid with no requirement to change it.
Well said I live in Spain.i sorted my problems out.Before the said time. Including my driver's license.All papars done . They just did not want to pay tax So now, they made their own problem because if greed.Theres many Germans who have homes in Spain.If they left the EU they would be in the same boat
no longer part of the club but still want to use the jacuzzi .....
@@dreampedaller2113 ...while insulting the cleaning person and bragging about being out of this clubSSR
You're all rather nasty, judgemental and ignorant aren't you.
@@mogznwaz sorry but everyone was screaming that will happen and this people will have this problems .PS if till now they havent applied for french belgium .... and so one citizenship what are they waiting for eu citizens have been applying in england for the last 4 years (this who want to stay in england)
@@mogznwaz Maybe... reading my post again indeed that was a bit too offensive, sorry for those offended.
But I feel offended myself, as EU citizen, by the UK media and politicians.
@@manufer2 I had to read it twice, but understand what you mean, as the breshiteers used EUSSR pretty often...They never realized they were part of the NSBAP
Poor soul, after 10 years living there why did these people not get prepared, we had 4 years after all. Many in Spain like myself were in a similar boat, however most did what was required in order to remain.
Why had those Brits not applied for driving licence's, why had they not applied for settled status in their countries of residence? I thought of using adopted countries but these people see themselves as British expats not immigrants
Not everyone is astute and clever as you. Well done.
I started planning my escape the day after the referendum result came in having voted remain. I Got Exit Done in 2018 after much research as to my elegibility for residencia. Now a happy legal European immigrant, essential to gain residency, pay your taxes and learn the language, Salud de Gran Canaria.
Congratulation!
Enhorabuena!
Yeah whatever, life in the Canaries is Okay I guess.
After many years residing in Spain my cousin went through the same procedures a year or so before the actual vote [he had lived over in Spain a long time under the radar of the authorities before setting up some sort of UK/Spain trucking concern, then it became a legal necessity to be a regular Spaniard]. He has no problems coming and going other than some minor customs delays for the vehicles.
@Jack Jones I got out before the likes of pittl pottl , the wannabe tinpot dictator coud dictate my whereabouts or timeings, TIEs are precious, Salud de Gran Canaria.
I have friends in France and Portugal. Both got there papers in order a long time ago. No problems. These people have had the time to get ready. I lived abroad for many years. Had to get things in order.
With Covid not everyone had the opportunity to get all there papers ready. For exapmle in Italy it takes even more than 6 months to get your residence permit card pre covid.
@@augustine.o6190 No excuse. Nobody moved during Corona.
This are people, which have not been registered before, what is illegal also for EU citizens.
@@augustine.o6190 They had time since 2016 to get their papers in order if they wanted to stay in EU.
@@hasse102 it wasn't possible because UK was still a full member of the EU and there wasn't any withdrawal agreement between EU and UK
I moved to Madrid in 2005, Italian passport.Had to give proof of residence(proof of address) ,had to homologate my studies,get my Spanish identification for foreigners(NIE) as the Spanish driving license as well.Then I moved to UK in 2012 and had to homologate my studies again, get there my national insurance number NIN, British driving license and after the Brexit vote apply for Settlement after paying taxes for 8 years.
So why a Britt can't make the effort even before Brexit while he is living abroad so many years?
Should have done the paperwork. They were warned.
Exactly, couldn't be bothered then moan later...
What like Brexiters who "won"?.
@@marvinstorm9153 At least the will of the people came first Blair wanted to ignore the people, the EU is starting to crumble...who will leave next ?
The préfectures were not issuing cartes de séjour, now cartes de résident, for Brits until very recently.
But he only had like 4 or 5 years to prepare...!
I thought at the start this guy was sensible, seems not.
Leave means leave. Most of the things he moaned about were direct and unavoidable consequences of leaving.
As for things like Drivers Licences? Your lack of preparation does not constitute an emergency for me. UK residents in the EU have long been obliged to get local licences, if they have not bothered it is their problem, not the British, French or other government's.
You are a very cruel person. Perhaps in 1939 we should have said something like ‘nazism is nazism’ and just left you to rot? That’s not how it work is it?
@@gdwlaw5549 this is a not the right comparison, sorry.
The UK is not so sensible about refugees from Syria. And this would be the right comparison for Nazi Germany and the refugees from there.
UK citizens in the EY and vv, are people, which have made a decission. If they have followed the rules of the country they live in, they have no problem.
If they didn't, they are illegal immigrants.
@@gdwlaw5549 Clearly your knowledge of History is very limited.
I'd portion some blame to UK politicians. They kept saying that it was going to be fine. You'll retain all your rights post-Brexit. No downsides.
Many knew that they were lying. Some didn't. What of it?
Surely, the people who lied need to be held to account.
@@gdwlaw5549 Perhaps the over 100 Allied Countries fighting the Axis powers should have let the UK rot . You lot ran from Dunkirk like rats 🐀
"the british government has left us out in the cold for the last 4-5 years" - bruh... you had 4 years to get your paperwork sorted, what were you doing?? i can create a human being in 9 months, how did you not get your papers in order????
Well aren't you clever ...... Bru?
@@marvinstorm9153 The point he is making is that you don't have to be clever to sort you're paperwork out
@@kethughes8266
No...the point is that the guy obviously has his residency card. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t still be living there.
He’s talking about FOM and having your rights taken away to work in other countries in Europe.
Us Brits who have lived and worked, payed tax in Europe as EU citizens for many years are now semi-citizens.
Become a French citizen and get a french driving license, lots of British already have, what’s your problem?
He could still keep his British citizenship but become a permanent resident. But he do need to get a drivers license.
Why did it take Johnson 5 years to develop a deal which screwed the UK and left many in uncertainty? The EU got what it wanted!
Happy Brexit I couldn't care less, even Aussies can apply for a year visa! But not Brits!
Ha ha
LICENCE NOT LICENSE. GRR!!
I became officially resident as soon as I arrived in Italy to live in 2014. Changed my driving licence, registered with the health service, became a tax payer, registered to vote.I have lost freedom of movement but I hope that when my citizenship application finally reaches its conclusion I shall regain that too. It's always been necessary to do the admin if you wish to live in country other than that of your birth, and it isn't difficult to do. After all, it's been nearly 5 years since the idiotic referendum, so there's been plenty of time.
You have not lost you're freedom of movement you just have to show paperwork
@@kethughes8266
Nonsense!
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned.You are confusing freedom of movement with freedom to work
@@kethughes8266
I suppose I'm using the term as I have done for the last 20 years that incorporates both.
As a Film maker and Voice Over I have been screwed because until now I was able to work all over Europe with very little problem.
I have residence and therefore the right to work in France but not the 5 other European nations where I have earned my living over the years.
For example, 2 years ago I made a documentary in Sweden which meant me being there on and off over for a year.
I am one of the lucky Brits who has Italian ancestry so I'm applying for a passport and I'll be back to pre-Brexit rights.
But it's not a cheap or easy process!
Others that I know are not so lucky and have literally had to disrupt or even abandon their line of work.
Not only did we not vote for this - we didn't even have the right to...
@@NoLefTurnUnStoned. It's understandable as the EU has been using the term in the same way as if it disguises the drive for a unified country of Europe which is what it was driving towards.
We should have held the referendum before we signed up for all this,we did not because it was never going to be acceptable and the politicians knew it.
if you could not vote in the referendum you must have lived in the EU for over 15 years and not voted in elections frankly if you have then it is questionable whether you should have any say over what happens in the UK.This is standard on any referendum the Scottish independence referendum for example excluded anyone who did not live in Scotland at the time of the referendum.
An EU citizen living in the UK for the amount of time you have in the EU is entitled to UK citizenship so perhaps you should look at the petty and vindictive attitude the EU and especially France has shown since the Brexit vote.We will not be the last to leave we were just the ones with the lowest tolerance level. The EU knows this and you I am afraid are just one of the casualties of the example that they have decided to make the UK.
Most of them voted for Brexit...
They felt it was “cool”.
Now they are left out in the “cold”?
"I'm British, I'm special. I'm not some dalit from India and shouldn't be treated as such"
"I pay taxes, i contribute, i'm a professional" SO ARE AMERICANS INDIANS CANADIANS ETC. They have to apply for the right paperwork, so do YOU ! :))
Send in the Army!
That will show 'em!
Good old BBS!
These people chose to live abroad,not holiday homes.
Their choice
So why weren't many allowed to vote in the referendum as UK citizens?
About 1.9 million.
The beginning of Tory fascism
In France, it was much easier for me to apply for a residence permit ( as a UK citizen living in France) than it was for our long term UK resident, Dutch friend to apply for a similar permit for her to live in the UK after Brexit.
@Timmy Smith
Exactly!
Why should France give “Johnny Foreigner” citizenship just because they want it?
Are you OK Brian? Johnny who? Any particular person you’d like to name or profile?
The UK hasn't given EU citizens citizenship but they have given 5 million EU citizens settled status. Looks like the Brits have done better on this too because the EU could reciprocate but obviously hasn't. If you commit to living in another country you need to sort your paperwork out and not expect your old country to make political decisions just to suit you.
@@mogznwaz Get your figures right, it was 3 million before Brexit and your tory government is free to send them back. Also the EU citizens had to apply for a residency status and pay higher NHS tax than Brits or non-EU nationals. This gentleman can apply for French residency but that's not to his liking...
@@gdwlaw5549 English asking for greater rights than other foreigners in the EU is beyond silly
Nice one Brian 🤣
I’ve lived in Italy for nearly thirty years and though I’m not an Italian citizen, it’s easy to get a permanent residence of stay. Just travel with a passport or an ID card. I don’t really know what he’s talking about...
James, these people form little associations and become laws unto themselves.
That is what he is saying . British citizens in EU countries didn't need to produce their passports to get visas . They do now !
@@anindyamajumdar4088 He makes it sound like it's some kind of disaster. I suppose it is if you're an international communist. But happily, I'm not.
He's talking about feeling entitled to special treatment because he's British. Exceptionalism in a nutshell, I hope all Brits who shares his attitude feck off back to their xenophobic little island.
@@seybertooth9282 He's talking about something that got taken away from him that he didn't vote for.
This courtcase is lost.
The problem is not the EU. The problem is UK.
I have Austrian citizenship and live outside Austria since 1986. I am still allowed to vote in Austria for parlament, but not in the country I live.
Only in municipalities you are aowed to vote after a certain time living in the country.
Right for vote, is national right and not EU right.
Education etc. is 3. country rule. Had to go through this until 1995, when we came to the EU.
Yeah this court case is silly
If you live in the UK you need to get citizenship to vote, it's the same in many countries not just the UK...
@@jrgboy exactly he wants special treatment
No exceptions for UK citizens need to follow the EU or EU countries laws
Exactly.
As all the European Expats have now, to follow all the UK rules imposed by the Brextieers in UK.
Thanks the Brexiteers !
@@donfzic7471 Brexit ?remember this how you treat the UK Expats we will treat the EU expatriate the same so there should be no problem.
@@billlot5329 Remenber how you treat the EU, EEA and all European expats in UK.
Remember also, all the news rules imposed to all the European citizens who like to live, work, study, rent, and so on, in UK.
@@donfzic7471 And same applies to the EU
@@billlot5329 It's not the EU-citizens who are asking for "special treatment", as we can see in above video. The EU-citizens are probably fine to get "the same". So glad the special people decided to leave, so we others can continue happily on equal terms.
Why should E.U. bend its law to suit the British ? What court are they going to ? ECHR was excluded in the Brexit deal, wasn't it ?
The EU populations are now being mass sterilised by their own ruling class, though. They'll need to figure out what to do about it soon, and they can no longer blame the English. So the whole blame-game thing works both ways.
@@mcarlsson74 'Sterilised' ? Hahahahaha ! It's the English who blame E.U. for their own stupidity and decline.
@@secrets461 For stupid you can also add the millions of continental Europeans who are currently injecting an unknown substance into their bloodstream, leading to heart attacks, seizures, reduced sperm count and sterilisation effect for women. Also, it's obvious the EU is a setup in a way that is not beneficial to the UK. It doesn't play to their strengths very well. I don't see how that makes the English stupid. It does make you a racist, though.
Because we're special.
@@richardmoloney689 😁Of course you are.
We are special,,,ohhh dear,!
He lives in a foreign country as a foreigner.
in Germany it's totally chill. the bureaucracy is so behind in registering all the British citizens (yes German bureaucracy is truly shocking) that all we need is proof of residence since before the transition period ended. When you move to Germany you have to register at your local citizens office anyway, even if you're an EU citizen. So no problems for me!
No ,in belgium it s the same, we do not care, it is the lowest prioraty.
Same in France.
Bloody brexit as a Brit i was considering spending time in Germany as I speak the language.
No Problems in Bavaria ... Life goes on , not been back to blighty since 2019 - they can stuff it as far as I am concerned .
@@jackkruese4258 dont learn german learn polish or turkish u might get on
“I am not political in this particular respect”. well maybe that is the problem mate.
Sorry, couldn't like more than once!
I think those people living ,in The EU knew the rules and should have applied for citizenship,only have themselves, to blame if you've been living ther for ,15 20 yrs why wouldn't you
Complain about brexit now that it bite, what a surprise, they didn't do anything to explain why it was a bad idea in the beginning so deal with it now.
Flo
I live in Britain and I voted for Brexit. I think it is a great idea. We are doing very nicely without you thanks. Best thing we ever did.
Enjoy it. Don't complain or start legal action against the EU.
You've got what you voted for.
Bert S.W.
Sincere apologies Bert, I thought it was all you Remoaners doing all the complaining and the E.U. whom kept threatening legal action with Britain because Boris won't give in to their wholly unreasonable demands now they can't use and abuse us anymore.
We are actually doing pretty damn well without them,. Record number of vaccinations done, pound strong,oh yeah and loads of fish. I am very happy thank you.
@@susanelliott2287 bri'ish people are the only ones that sign a contract and then get mad when they are forced to abide by it
Are you talking about ignorant brexiterswgibing about fishing and financial services? Your PM struck a crap deal that gave the EU everything it wanted?
What took your govt so long ... 5 years to come up with such bollocksfor the UK?!
There is no in-between , you either reside in France/EU as per the withdrawal agreement or you visit for a max of 90 in 180 as per third country rules.
They have to face it we left the EU and procedures were out in place for EU nationals here in the UK and UK nationals in the EU. It is their own fault they have not abided by the rules laid out for getting the required documents to stay in Europe.
Agreed, but thry started turfing us out of europe first and then they complain ehen we reciprocate. Well what goes around comes around.
The main problem is that a lot of Brits are just thick. They can not tell when Murdoch is lying to them so they genuinely don't know what is happening. They were lucky to have the EU looking after them. The Tories just ripped away their citizenship and buggered them, but, they could not have done that without a very large number of thick Brits supporting them. As long as that remains the case, being British will mean you are handicapped by the huge wagons full of morons you are dragging behind you. Best to ditch British citizenship for now and find an EU country that will have you.
@Stroppy Paws See, you just made my point for me. You think the EU is elitist and undemocratic. That shows you have no idea what the EU is or how it works. You simply have a feeling that Murdoch gave you over the last 40 years. Also at a basic level if you think the UK is better out of the EU you are a moron. There is not a single positive outcome of Brexit that comes anywhere close to the scale of the destruction it has caused. In short you crippled your country for Putin and Murdoch. that makes you not just thick but a useful idiot. The UK is now an international powerless joke. Well done you certainly showed the EU.
@Stroppy Paws Also I come from a poor working class town, from a fishing family and I left school at 16 to work on the fishing boats so if you think I'm snobbish you have an interesting perspective. I don't care how rich or poor people are. I do not excuse bad behavior from the poor or the rich. I don't stay silent when thick people break things. So stick it up your bum.
@Stroppy Paws Get a life! Have you even voted once for the European parliament?
You've had 5 years to sort it out, it's not anyone's responsibility but yours to make sure all paperwork is sorted before the deadline.
Nobody knew what the deal would be till a week before leaving. All of these things were still up in the air till Xmas eve.
So who your blaming? I blame the labour n EU sucjers that delaid everything by not agreeing in first place then moaning it's a shit deal. End of day their illegals that haven't completed paper work. Works same all over the world
I see
What knowledge do you have about French bureaucracy?
@@philipbrailsford3764
What's your point?
@@tconbo4514
"Nobody knew what the deal would be till a week before leaving"?
The EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement(TCA) has NOTHING to do with French immigration law.
The status of British people living in EI member states was, and is, a matter for EACH INDIVIDUAL member state.
The EU has feck all competence in the areas of immigration, residency, naturalisation and citizenship, These remain a NATIONAL prerogative...
The British in the EU had at least FIVE years to regularise their status.
No sympathy whatsoever...
There are no problems. I sorted out the paperwork months ago. I receive my pension here in France; I pay my taxes here; I am covered by the French health system. I have my passport so my freedom of movement is hardly restricted. Admittedly I can't vote anywhere; but I knew that when I moved to France. My carte de sejour gives me exactly the same rights as a French citizen. If I want to vote there is nothing stopping me from taking out French citizenship.
Correct I live here too, same as you, Voting in France was never a interest for me from day one, Democracy died here in France decades ago
@@SlimTortoise My opinion is different in that I believe that paying taxes should give me the right to vote; something which I would do. But then I could change nationality. Choosing not to do so requires making sacrifices, one of which is not being able to vote.
Back in the day that was a right view, moving with the times voting is pointless for a number of reasons, Politicians in France are corrupt, incompetent and narcissistic to some degree.
Voting today is like every village in a department all sending its village idiots to the main town for mayor and then telling everyone to vote, some try to find the lease stupid and vote, others are friends of one of the idiots family so vote for them, others because its thier idiot and the rest give up because they know in the end all they will get is and idiot so what the point.
Clever you eh?
Do we really want to know?
Nope.
@@marvinstorm9153 If you don't really want to know why then are you watching the video and reading the comments? Perhaps you don't like people sharing their experiences and opinions.
Should have become a French citizen
or not have voted for Brexit.
@@Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo get a life!!!!
Yeah he could have just stopped complaining too about his few friends who couldn’t manage the simple task of exchanging their driving licences until after the fact and now they up screwed.
You think you can become French citizen just like that ?
@@gdwlaw5549 have I touched a raw nerve, perhaps?
You had 5 years to apply for residency or citizenship. But, no, forbid the thought of becoming a native and losing your English Exceptionalism. I also note that he did not mention once the plight of EU citizens in the UK.
We have not had 5 years! Many have already had a carte de séjour issued previous to Brexit and this has now to be replaced. The webpage for registration was put online last summer. Interviews started in December with many still waiting for an interview. We are all very sorry for the plight of EU citizens in the UK.
Come back when you know what you are talking about.
@@glyndavies5479 facts????...what’s your problem ?
There is no 'plight' of EU citizens in the UK, 5 million have been granted settled status. I think it's staggering that people think that the people of Britain should vote differently just to suit those who are either a. Not British citizens or b. Brits who've left and don't live here anymore. Gobsmacking arrogance.
@@gdwlaw5549 Seems to me that the EU countries simply just want to make it as difficult as possible. The UK have done better again. 5 million EU citizens already granted settled status and getting on with their lives here in the UK. Those who are incapable or can't be bothered shouldn't be here.
"I think it's illegal and unfair" : unfair, yes, blame the UK government for that, illegal, no, Brexit is done. And you had 4 years to get ready.
That's who he is complaining too
@@jdlc903 He is suing the EU ,dopey
He doesn't stand a chance, he could just get the french nationality if he want's EU citizenship benefits but this court case won't go anywhere.
you think is easy to get french nationality ? Its not !
@@joaofernandes2827 if he's been living there for years and years it is. Just takes some dedication. He clearly already meets the requirements to be allowed to stay.
@@joaofernandes2827 his problem is that for some reason he and all British citizens think they deserve special treatment
I am British. Like 48 out of every 100 people who voted, I was a proud EU citizen, and feel anger at being stripped of that citizenship by right wing nationalists - and every country in Europe has them. Please don't think that everyone in the UK thinks and speaks with one voice, or mindlessly consumes the lies of the right wing newspapers. The younger the voter group, the more strongly they voted to stay in the EU.
and Uk citizens living in Spain in shock shock they have to go home, cant stay. it also appears many voted for Brexit. The arrogance of them all,
It seems that English residents living in Spain were divided into 2 major groups; 1) The Group that did not wish to leave the EU - they didn't fly home to vote "Stay" however. 2) The group that wished to leave the EU - they did fly home in large numbers to vote "Leave" and returned to Spain straight away. The "Leave" group are now wondering why they have to go "home" after 90 days.
"Welcome to the brexit , sir "
Welcome to Europe suckers. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
I'm British living abroad in Cyprus where I have taken out dual citizenship to get the best of both worlds .
I strongly advise any Brits living abroad to do the same .
unless the country in question is non english speaking and has a language exam because in my experience, most UK nationals are barely monolingual
You're absolutely correct but we're living in the age of the internet where you can learn the basics of any language in a matter of weeks .
One also has neighbors and friends for help and advice , it's just a case of where there's a will there's a way .
Spain and Belgium does not allow duel citizenship with the U.K.
I have heard this before and can't understand it , for example if you've lived in a country for a certain number of years you can then apply for citizenship .
You might want to look into applying for a national ID card which would also give you citizenship , which is exactly what I've done in Cyprus .
And I can also use my ID card as passport to travel abroad .
@Ford Prefect the usual - Brits are the Gods. The world uses English now due to US multinationals and the US internet invention. Take a train from Prague to Budapest and on the safety signs from 30 years ago, there's no English - just German, French, Italian and Russian + Czech or Hungarian etc. I don't think you'll find many US citizens who consider themselves British... Anyway thanks for your gift even though I'm fluent in 4 other languages...
I live in Germany, I changed my driving licence for a German one, no problem. Applied for the right to stay in Germany, also no problem. Don't understand what they are talking about.
This bloke did sweet FA for nearly 5 years.... If he'd got dual nationality, he would have ZERO problems. "Good to hear about your problems, Terry (chuckle)", said the France 24 man. It makes me sound like a Brexiteer, but I GOT dual nationality during the 5 years. Bonne nuit 🌙⏰💤💤...
It makes you sound like an idiot. Ok, same as a Brexitard.
Johnson made sure nothing was certain until he negotiated the worst deal possible .... For the UK .
It's shitty to float when many were not allowed a vote in the referendum. I'm fine, I come and go as I please but don't gloat about 1.5 million not being allowed to vote in their destiny.
Johnson could have easily kept freedom of movement and stayed in the SM and CU. Without being in the EU
Nobody realised what a cretin you have as a UK PM until the very last minute
All Britain can vang on about his fish. Big deal!
@@marvinstorm9153 Marvin. I'm French and have lived in France for 32 years. Call me an idiot if you like. I didn't get a vote in the referendum, but now I get to vote in France. The UK is less and less interesting. Not my PM.
However, the same injustice happened to all EU-citizens in the UK who didn´t deserve to lose a lot of rights living in the UK. I´d happily welcome the return of the rights of european citizenship to all Brits living in the EU, but only ifit is done in the UK in favor of the EU-citizens aswell. Greetings from Germany.
nearly 6 million EU citizens in UK
This is soooooooooo sad. Tragic and er...... "heartbreaking". Having to show a passport., terrible !
The things one must do.
*clutches pearls*
Why don't they ask the Royal Navy to come rescue them ?
They tried in Jersey but it didn't work. Jersey prefers to stop the restrictions and negotiate with french, Royal Navy or not.
More complicated with the trade war
Tough tits, we're a 3rd country now and France has every right to limit you visit. He can get a French passport if he's been there 10 years
Exactly !
France does not give passports like that ...
If he speaks French and has being paying french taxes etc doubt it as most English try to fly under the radar to get away without paying taxes
You are so right , they are a 3rd world country! As a Canadian and traveling though the U. K they treat you like dirt ! I do feel sorry because traveling in the U. K. The people are always so nice !
Do these 'dogs' not understand we are British!
He talks about a sense of proportionality! He's lost his freedom of movement from France to Italy - he has to show his passport at the border. Good grief. He's lived in France 10 years, for 5 of those years he knew Brexit was coming - did he imagine nothing would change, including needing a French driving licence?
They've had 5 years to sort out their paperwork
The préfectures were not issuing cartes de séjour, now cartes de résident, for Brits until very recently.
Maybe he could have explained why he is not a EU citizen after 10 years there? You can claim EU citizenship in the first 6 months of living there if you lived there before 31st Dec 2020.
You don't get citizenship, you just register.
@@Alephu5 no, you apply for a "certificate de citadao da Uniao Europeia", and that's what they give you. "Cidadao" means citizen.
That's very different to claiming citizenship. I'm almost certain that this guy registered himself in France as an EU citizen, but due to brexit all Britons have lost this status.
Under the withdrawal agreement we are allowed to continue our residence, but with reduced rights. This guy is fighting because many affected people weren't even allowed to vote in the referendum.
@@Alephu5 what rights are reduced under the withdrawal agreement? The referendum was before 31st December 2020, so has nothing to do with being out of the EU.
BS mate Who told you that the bin man!
There is no such thing as européan citizenship if you are not a citizen of thé EU
Last time I checked Britain was still in the continent of europe. Therefore British citizenship is a european citizenship
Im a Scot of no great erudition and took out German citizenship without any difficulties in 2019. It took some time and effort to get all the relevant documents together. Not too bad though. Proof of full-time employment, language proficiency, residency, Einbürgerungstest, swearing an oath, done . 150 euros for citizenship plus whatever it takes to get official documents.
Oh my! 150 euros? It cost nearly £2000 for citizenship in the UK. I always thought the UK were the biggest crooks!! lol
How has he voted I wonder?
British citizens cannot vote if they are living abroad
@@enricol5974 Depends how long. 15 years is cut off time.
BTW. The best is that citizens of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh who were residents could vote in the referendum.
I am not sure about every country in the EU but certainly in some of them UK citizens were able to hold dual nationality. If they chose to do that many of the issue mentioned went away. sounds like too little too late maybe?
One can in most EU copuntries only have a second nationality when one is forced, like the Turkish. B.t.w. those are national laws not even EU laws...
Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Bulgaria, Baltic countries do no allow dual citizenship... don’t know about other countries, but guess not many allow 2nd passport.
@@dolphinka Hi I am not sure about your comment re Germany - I know from personal contacts that I know a UK citizen with dual nationality UK German Is it special to the UK only?
@@dolphinka These countries do Elena, if your first nationality is an obligation. If you are from Morocco, you, your children and their children will have the eternal Morrocon nationality. Only one of both parents has to be Morrocan. In that case a country like Holland accepts two nationalities. If you are fx. danish and do a request yourself for the dutch nationality, you will lose the danish.
Another Brit looking for free membership of the club without paying the membership fee
The UK paid a lot more than most in the club and over 50 years.. So why the sudden bad treatment.. Ah yes, to punish and deter the other countries that might wish to leave...
@@newbeginnings8566 Not over 50 years ... No matter how long you've belonged to a club, the day you leave is the last day you get the benefits of membership.
@@newbeginnings8566 what bad treatment ? Stop reading the mail and the sun will you
@@blueodum thing is we dont want membership in the uk most brits voted for exit and meant no deals either clean break
@@newbeginnings8566 can't help wondering why eu is afraid of other countries leaving if they are so fantastic why the worry let them leave
There appears to be a lot of self-inflicted injuries amongst the ex pats. They have had many years to formalise their situation.
Amongst the immigrants.
Haha ... here in Amsterdam, when you hear an immigrant preferring to call himself an "expat", then you know you're talking to an Englishman, and he thinks he's special and deserves different treatment from immigrants from other parts of the EU. Shamelessly. LOL. And it's almost always English "expats" (and Moroccan grandmothers) who have trouble assimilating, who stick to their ghetto, and don't bother to learn the language of the country they've migrated to. In Spain it's far worse.
@@ixlnxs Quite 😂
@@theon9575 There is a lot of truth in that. One thing that puzzles me is working class expats get stuck in and assimilate, middle class ones are the one who huddle together.
@@TheBuckspygmy Wow! Quite right. Now that you point to that tendency yes I see it straight away. Interesting, that 🤔.
There has been an influx of the “middle level” because many came when the EMA and numerous banks relocated here recently. Well-heeled, they get blamed for causing rent increases here.
But now that the UK is a third country, UK immigrants and also UK expats will need to do the same as all others - pass an examination in Dutch language & culture, and assimilate. This will be interesting to watch 🤔😬. Anglophones don’t learn new languages readily.
I live in Spain with my family, daughters and grandchildren.
We followed the advisories and bulletin's of both British and Spanish government's and have no problems whatsoever.
This is a typical Brit reaction, blame everyone and everything for your own short comings.
When you were first granted residence 10 years ago in France is when you should have changed your license...
So you have been driving illegally ever since, here in Spain, they are now sending out fines of €200 for all those that are applying for license swap UK to Spanish, that should have swapped before.
As the saying goes, "you made the bed, now lay in it"
It must be recipricol. The UK government will never agree to that
They did......before the EU !!
Surely it is not up the British government get a new driving licence, but to the the people who want to drive in France to find out what was required, after all they have had 5 years to find out what was required
God the banality of these comments ......
They had 5 years to fill out a form. They deserve to be kicked out.
I want to hear " British immigrants are giving trouble to europe " in EU Immigration Conference.
@MR .TEA. rubbish, many of them simply dodging local taxes, that’s why they didn’t properly register. They had five years to sort themselves out.
@MR .TEA. ur a bag of shit mate for saying that EU national have the right to get free housing. Your eating the same amount of shit like most Brexiteers. If you don't work pay taxes you have no right to get any kind of benefits, especially housing.
@MR .TEA. So? Nobody forced them to. If they didn't like they didn't have to come. And "getting a far better deal..... than brits in the EU?" You think that Brits are getting the worst deal in the EU? You don't think that Germans or Scandi-people invest and build businesses? They got exactly the same deal as the Brits. Stop pretending you're special, it's pathetic. So happy you left...
@@65denikat People like you make me glad we left
It doesn't make sense, why take the case to the ECJ? If you've got your settled status on the country you've been living in you just need to apply for citizenship as any other migrant. That's what the ECJ is going to tell you, recognition of qualifications is dependent on each member state rules (some will be more relaxed than others ) the Uk didn't agree on mutual recognition, and in terms of driving licences if you were living outside the UK, you should have changed it long before the exit date ( like when you applied for settled status ).
I wouldn't take too much notice of these sorts of videos. I have my doubts as to their origin. They seem to be made exclusively for the purpose of getting people to moan for no reason.
I hope Scotland regains its independence & is welcomed back into the EU. I live in Spain & I cannot understand why any expat living in the EU could have voted for Brexit.
Racism..
Stupidity reading the Daily Mail and
The Daily Express.Listening to the torys
And snake oil salesmen like farage.
@@Alex-df4lt against a white European trading block
I did, Sometimes people think voting is about thier country and not themselves, Hard to understand for most people as to be selfish and only think about yourself is more common.
I would like think had I lived in Germany during the 30's, maybe even doing well under the Hitler, I still would have voted against him., I'm guessing you would have said the same to me then and even called me a fool, But when you don't get it you never will :-)
Funny in a way the vote to remain in the UK for Scotland probably was a vote for what was best for the country, lets face it, if you think Brexit was a bad idea, then after 300 year together, same moey, same army, same language, out of every trade deal on the planet, running a bigger deficit than Greece and worse, it would go down as the dumbest thing in the past 100 years, But having said that I think the Scots just might be stupid enough to do it, I guess 15 years of the SNP (BNP Scottish wing) the brain drain is near complete. :-)
It's a UK problem not EU . the people in England voted for Brexit.
Not quite.
The U.K. is responsible for the EU citizens that have moved into the U.K. not the British citizens that have chosen to emigrate. They then become the responsibility of their new host country.
@@jocelynstephens7058 not quite. This guy didn't emigrate.
If he would have , he would have asked for a new citizenship o from his new country .
No, this guy is still a british citizen, expecting rules NOT to be aplyed to him.
And as a british citizen, UK is responsible for him.
..like ... if this guy has some troubles with the law in France , he will very quickly ask his consulate to defend him and get him out of there ...
@ speedy, Oh he definitely wants the best of both worlds but yet complains about making any effort.
What I was referring to was that HIS transition is not the U.K.'s responsibility. As much as he want to complain about it, it's still not a U.K. problem.
@@jocelynstephens7058 So it's his problem !
@Bert Overweel, he has the most control over his destiny.
He managed to organise giving up on the U.K. and moving to France, so this should not be to much of a stretch for him.
We all have to face change in our lives and be prepared to act when necessary.
These people had 4 years to get ready so what they were thinking ? Leaving it to the last minute like the brexiteers ?
Most people (British living in Europe ) are fine.most of my family live in EU
Oh really, british citizens are now realising that "Brexit means Brexit" - my sympathy is very limited.
That is what Brits voted for - you won, get over it!
He might want to learn that British Citizen are not so very special after all!
Only 52% actually voted for fuk*** Brexit:/
Mr Schultz: did all of Germany vote for the Nazis?
@@annov7500 Isn't that that the problem of democracy ? Even if 50,1% voted for, it's still the majority. So 52% of the registered voters who bothered to vote took the country out. Need to get over it
@@gdwlaw5549 Not all, but a sufficient majority surprisingly did vote for the Nazis at one point. The Nazis did not see the neccessity for elections past that point.
@ ruediger
Oh....thank goodness you're not
bitter about people voting to leave
an undemocratic , restricted economic Cartel . That's what the
EU is . Lots of Germans living near me . They all opted to stay after Brexit . Germany is TOO boring they say.
Well, its getting warmer in Portugal at least :]
Where ate u algarve? In Lisbon is cold 🥶
@@FabsPlay arround lisbon. Saturday will be good but today is quite cloudy. Like old timers, drink wine to heat up :), at least its not that expensive in here hehe.
There are many British immigrants in France who managed to avoid all of the deprivations he listed, and quite legally too. While I sympathise with the others' plight, I cannot see how or why the EU should impose any solution on France or any country which would make them treat these third country citizens any different from others.
Too many British had too weak a grasp on reality throughout this whole thing (it's the root cause of their current problems after all), and all this proves is that the grasp does not seem to have strengthened much in the meantime, even for many of those who have been most cruelly impacted by their compatriots' stupidity.
Prior to Brexit if you have lived in an EU for 5 years you are automatically entitled to citizenship of that country. If you have decided not to do that and remain a UK citizen that is entirely your own fault.
Not citizenship. Residency . The two are not one and the same
@@hugogreen4916 I don’t dispute that however if you want to live in the EU and retain UK citizenship it’s your choice. The solution is to apply for citizenship of the EU country you live in.
I genuinely feel for those who through no fault of their own, find themselves virtually stateless, but those who voted for Brexit, what on earth did they expect would happen? I am sure that ultimately the EU countries will be far more accommodating than BoJo’s Tory government intend to be to European nationals in specifically England.
Why ? Is 4.8 million granted Settled Status not enough ?
If the EU was so great I'm astonished you chose to live in Britain.
It wasn't an Over whelming vote for brexit.
It was split down the middle.
They barely got it
Nearly two million difference says otherwise.
You left your country, why didn't you change your citizenship? Wanted the best of both worlds. Tough!!
Typical Brit...or should I say expat 😅
Not expat! He is an immigrant! Pure and simple.
They (we) are, strictly speaking, British subjects, not citizens.... Another problem for another day.
Please explain the difference.
@@timothyrobson3325 "subject" is another word for "servant" in this context.
@@blueodum I think you might need to research the definitions in the context of British Nationality. Start with Google then UK Gov websites.
British Subject and British Citizen are not interchangeable terms.
Yes, I also have been a bit dazzled and confused about these... Republican Monarchies. As some Brits will live in Republics from now on.
UK never will join back the EU. Scotland and NI maybe. We love you
France24! You know every single region in Scotland voted to stay in the EU & we have just given landslide election victory to SNP on ticket of independence & rejoining. Plain wrong to cast English public oppinion as 'UK'
We know here in the EU saor alba from France brexit is an English problem and looking forward to having the Scotland back
Ah great, so now the SNP has a majority in the Scottish assembly...
no, wait...
But Shetland and Orkney are thinking of leaving Scotland so is that your ‘all parts’?
Don't forget the vote in 2014 to stay in the UK, How long had the SNP (BNP Scottish wing) been in power at that point? The EU don't want another basket case on the books if fact most of the English after 15 years of the Scottish nasty party running the shit show don't want you too.
Dear Scottish friends, even as I am just one EU citizen: you are welcome to the club at any time. Just leave, we can solve all problems. On the island one will be the divorce settlement, as you do not have a “prenuptial agreement” and we’re (forcefully) married in 1707, or?
I am sure the EU governments will find a way to convince Spain (which some newspapers say could be the only Nation which is concerned regarding a Scottish EU membership - due to Catalonia).
But as love and live always finds a way, the EU -we- will find one. Remember mate, in case of emergency (if somebody is concerned), schedule the meeting next to a Scottish distillery and you use your magic juice ;)
Cheers and all the best from Germany.
@ThePeperich, as 'just one EU citizen' you should know that it is not your place in invite new members into the EU.
There welcome is an unknown and a question mark as to why they are not in formal talks with the EU about membership.
They don't have to 'just leave' they could organise becoming an EU member now (before leaving the United Kingdom) but they do not explore that option.
There would be no risks to talks to pave the way to a smoother transmission if a referendum was granted and leave was the outcome. But for some reason they remain resistant to the idea.
Could it be that it is not as easy as you suggest.
UK migrants not happy it seems.
Been living in Italy now 6 years, I’m quite happy with the Italian Gov, I applied for permanent residence last year, this was delayed due to Covid and put on hold due to Brexit, but now will shortly receive my and my family’s (3rd country members) Carta da Soggiorno, changed my driving license long ago as required, had my first Covid vaccine last week will have my second in 4 weeks.
This is not rocket science, be prepared and follow the rules, anyone who thought things would remain the same after Brexit are idiots.
Edit, I should add I’m paying taxes, spending my savings and pension in Italy.
I live in Germany, i have recently been to Portugal, Spain and Holland and have had zero problem, in fact it was exactly the same as it was before brexit. The german office for foreigners has issued me a pass that shows I'm entitled to the same rights as prior to Brexit. It cost €20. I have recently renewed my UK Passport, i drive on my UK licence...where are all these problems?
Don’t worry, you’ll find out soon…
At least in portugal uk residents do need to get a portuguese driving license, even if it is automatic ( a health check approved by a medic is required). I believe its the same ofr eu. An international driving license is valid for a certain amount of time.
@@sonecaii8306 UK emigrants need to change their driving license to the country they live in. As soon as police stops you, you will be in trouble in any EU country (except Ireland) as UK emigrant.
I would suggest to recheck that: there is a grace period, yes. But when that expires a UK license is no longer valid if you live in the EU. In the NL that period has already expired for one.
Aem, asxtc did(!) the paperwork so there is no problem. Only if the British immigrants were or still are too lazy to contact the authorities they already have problems.
A nation which desperately thinks (democratically decided by the majority) that immigration is a problem - GB - has citizens who complain about immigration rules which have to be obeyed. Just do the paperwork, problem solved.
"good to hear the problems you are facing... " Need some sensitive rephrasing lol
Have known for years this could happen so no surprises for anyone. Uk citizens can come home tomorrow . If they want to stay in a foreign country fill in the paperwork and stay this is not complicated they have had plenty of time for this. Not the UK or the EU problem it's their own.
Expert on French bureaucracy are we?
I love to hear UK peasants talk crap.
@@marvinstorm9153 Yes I lived in France for many years in a town called Mussidan just outside Bergerac. Lovely people miss them every day. Their system is simple they just don't appreciate the Little England residents and arseholes like your self that no zero.
@@marvinstorm9153 Took me five minutes on Internet followed by a few month's wait for a RDV. Provided a photo and my finger prints and suddenly I am legally allowed to live in France and benefit from all the advatages.
You were not left out in the cold if you took care of your paper work....and you were given 3 years to get that done!
British citizens in the UK, who value our links with EU countries feel "left out in the cold" with Brexit. We have had valuable rights stolen from us.
chose to live in France , now complaining the the UK government wont come to his help...they soon come back for the good old NHS
Like the Indians you are about to get in droves when you sign a trade deal btw where are all the other deals?!
I live in belguim and I did what was necessary to stay here so why did the moaners not do the same they had plenty of time to do so
Because they are moaners and that is what moaners do, Moan. So do the remoaners
Belgians are now being sterilised by their own ruling class. They can't blame the English for that, and they will need to take personal direct action at home. No more excuses for failing to stand up to tyranny.
Meanwhile the leavers are living in the EU and other rich regions.
@@eedragonr6293 People living a working in other parts of the world ie immigration was never something leavers wanted to stop, it was uncontrolled immigration that was the problem.
Its not the poor that can not move, its the stupid that have problems and Brexit has stopped that.
@@SlimTortoise poor remainers, never getting rid of the leavers.
Imagine if all the EU citizens in Britain (French, German, Polish etc) collectively asked for the same treatment that this guy is advocating for. Funny part is that future UK governments might soften up over time to try and arrange something which will make the immigration case for going through the whole Brexit process kinda pointless.
Here in France, we to were informed of what procedures we should take following BREXIT. We had already exchanged our UK Drivers Licences for French ones (as per the 3 months residency rules), We applied for and received our 'Permanent Resident (Carte Sejours) as directed, and have had no problems whatsoever.
Welcome to democracy!
There is nothing for minority in democracy!
You forget London is the fifth largest french city:-)
Surely not !! I thought life in the EU must be much better than in
nasty Britain ??
They had five years to put their papers in order, what were you doing ? Forget of what you had and get used to what it is now instead of complain . You are not a EU citizen ANY MORE, get used to it !!
Why after 10 years living there does not have a license from that country, perhaps because he hasn't integrated properly and left England behind.
had plenty of time to sort out your driving license and when u leave one country and go into another country u should have to show your passport madness not to unless you are on an island like the UK
You say that but I have traveled many times from France to Spain by bus and car and there is nowhere to show your passport.
I know where there is an old abandoned frontera station and I have even seen a French police car enter into Spain to turn around at the end of a duel carigway to go back into France.
But the borders are a bit fuzzy.
@@jocelynstephens7058 I have a feeling that soon enough in EU when police will hear you speak English they will ask you for documents
@ Mircea Dragan, hmmm not sure. The city of Brussels has just adopted English as an official language as there was to much misunderstanding with the covid rules through misinterpretation with somany people not speaking French or Flemish.
Even the EU has it as an official language and uses it often when the Republic of Ireland chose to put Gaelic as there official language and they are the only one dependent on it. All other nations use it as a second language.
@@mike-bv2jc they should better do it soon because UK is treating the EU citizens as illegal immigrants, jailing and abusing them for weeks now.
@@eedragonr6293 wow, really?
Brexit 'is done'. It's ratified by both sides. You have to live by the rules in the treaty. No cherrypicking after the fact, sorry.
Brits like go cherry pick to fit their own narrative
actually uk does not have to go by any of the eu rules cos it looks as if the uk is going to tear up the eu deal and walk away from the lot of them fingers crossed that happens we didn't vote for a deal we voted for no deal at all
@@mydogky Never thought of that. Of course, if you tear up the deal then also all travel restictions on the Brits vanish!
So he doesn't want to have EU passport but he wants to be treated as a citizen..British #
Had the 1.4 million English living in the EU being able to vote the UK would still be in the EU. More than 95% of Gibraltarians voted to stay in the EU.
Just a slight correction in that a British IMMIGRANT needed to have left the UK for over 15 years not to be eligible to vote in a UK Election / Referendum. Many British Immigrants indeed did vote in the 2016 referendum ........ to leave the EU !! How mad is that? Sometimes the stupidity of some people is just mind blowing.
Thank you to Terry Knott and the team for the sterling work you are doing. #IamEuropean
Dear sir you are now an third world person , if you want to complain talk to Boris.
Be honest and admit that you thought that suppressing freedom of movement only applied to those annoying EU members who want to live and work on your island.
Where were your website, Facebook group, crowdfunding ... to stop Brexit before 2016?
It's all about British exceptionalism. You're not the only third country member in the EU. How do the other nationalities living in the EU manage then?
All these "why didn't they" people need to remember that it was part of being in the EU that one had rights to live legally in the EU and take full part in the life of our resident country within the law of that country. We were the people who most believed in Europe, many of us. Given that no Welsh passport exists, I view myself primarily as European.