is Griffith straight up evil?
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@@jetpost I know it's bleach but I don't remember which one and I'm sad
@@Kyure. it's not actually it is hundred years war ost from berserk
WHY would you spoil the Golden Age Arc for people who stumble upon your short vids and haven't seen Berserk?! This question of do Griffith's ends justify his means doesn't have any weight or significance to anyone who hasn't gotten invested in Berserk. So all you did was spoil the heck out of an amazing story for new viewers. Good job.
He is simply a very well written “bad guy”
The best written "bad guy"
@Vinicius Rocha LMAO
@Vinicius Rocha Not as long as Johann Liebert from Monster exists
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Mans need to explore more AHAHAHAHAH
Bro sacrificed his friends for a bird cosplay 💀
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He didn't bring peace to all mankind, in fact he monopolized peace, when he created falconia, made it the only place with peace in the world dooming everyone who is not in his Kingdom
Yes, but there would still be alot less peace if he and his kingdom was not around, many kingdoms and species would still be fighting even in midland and the 100 year war would also be ongoing everywhere, falconia is only a peaceful place because of him, even if he's only using the peace for his own gains there's very less chance that there would be peace anywhere in midland
@@shivamarya5225 a big problem with that argument is that he and the rest of the godhand are the ones that cause that war
Lol the world would've been destroyed and ruled by Ganishka if not for turning him into a world tree
@@bigworkout7022 and the same happens with Griffith the whole world is screwed except for falconia, ganishka would have done the same and he didn't want to destroy the world he wanted to destroy the god hand and rule the world but
The god hand had the knowledge of the causality on their favor, they knew everything that was going to happen
What's worse is Griffith doesn't feel evil, he doesn't see himself as the evil, he never thought about what he did, he just keeps looking up and striving towards his dream.
That’s how most evil people are in real life. They don’t think their actions bring harm and pain
Nah thats just good.
I feel like the only time griffith truly cared about something was when he met guts, he cared about guts but the moment guts left, he lost every bit of humanity ini him
That’s because he literally isn’t
@@CSWdenji69rape is pretty evil if you ask me, stop sucking griffith D
guts: *ima leave the band*
Griffith: *and i took that personally*
Very personally…
Too much *Personally*
Fuck Casca! I wanted to bed Guts!- Griffith
Over the top *_Personally..._*
when you left your homo homie, and now he turns the world into hell.
lesson learned: dont leave your homo homie
Griffith is the only villain that actually made me angry. Brilliant
I felt so betrayed when I first read his betrayal. While i still love how well written he is, and I'm one of that people who love evil characters, it was so bad that he is probably the character i hate with the most burning passion
What about Kuze?
@@speeddemonji9547 Kuze isnt evil. Just doing his job. He's not the best, thats why he's angry about it.
@@TwinSidez Bruh, I was asking if Kuze induced anger in OP (sure did with me during that lil’ torture sequence). And no, Kuze is a pretty bad fucking person. Literally Evil Kiryu. He’s doing more than “just his fucking job” (which is being a damn yakuza)
The Antagonist on CSM Part 1 and Osabe Seiko from Blood in the Tracks are other Villains that is hard not to hate too.
Didn't Griffith cause the outbreak of demons on the land and is now taking advantage of that to seem like a hero
I think the demons only show up around guts because of the brand, and looks like it's the whole world because we follow guts around
@@RainOn2SunnyDay that's true that we see more demons around guts but post Griffiths rebirth it is explained the veil between the worlds are weakened causing the troll crisis and such we see. Also him creating falconia literally destroys the remaining barrior between worlds with falconia being the only safe place left, so halfway through conviction and post conviction all the supernatural problems people have (not including guts and his party) are directly caused by Griffiths
@@RainOn2SunnyDay no, after the resurrection of Griffith everyone started facing the demons, even normal people and apostles became a common occurrence.
Not only that, Griffith sems the only one to able to command the demons and apostles AND seen as hero.
Griffith didn’t cause it, Skull Knight did. Guts lives in the interstice, the place where the spiritual world and the human world combine. Some people, usually people in rural areas like villages, can see things, such as elves, from the spiritual world because they have a looser belief of what does and does not exist. Skull Knight, attempting to kill Femto/Griffith, used his Sword of Behelits and created an astral fissure colliding the two worlds into one. Ironically, allowing Guts’ sword to slay actual dragons if he wanted to. Griffith does take advantage of the situation, but he didn’t outright cause it.
" The man who would be my friend must be my equal ...... "
Little did Griffith know how much that little speech would impact his life
Notice that Griffith was young and arrogant at the time. Very well written indeed
All he wanted was to impress a girl ...and look where we are now.
" you were the only one who made me forget about my dream "
-griffith, pertaining to guts. when the eclipse ritual was ongoing.
griff sees guts as his equal. dreamless, happy, and living for the moment. griffith was really guts's friend when they were having their moments.
A lot of fans miss this. Griffiths ideal self was a dignified king. that was his original goal. until guts showed up and shows him that life as it is isnt bad.
it didn't. all of that would've happened anyway
Facts guts you was already equal if not above Griffith not social status or power but as a MAN
He literraly CREATED enemies and destroyed them later 💀
Precisely mirrors how he created friendships and then destroyed them later. The great writing of Griffith is that hes just steeped in irony. He creates the band of the hawk to become king - he then destroys the band of the hawk to become king. He claims to only respect friends that also follow their own dreams, yet him saying this is precisely what causes Guts to pursue his own dream, breaking griffith and ultimately causing him to destroy his own dream. He saves Casca from getting r*****, leaving her eternally loyal to him and later that loyalty to him is repayed with him r***ing her. He is made of evil irony right down to every last scene. His unwillingness to chan ge for his loves ones is a common theme - he beats guts in a duel and then years later looses to guts in a duel because he doesnt change his tactics from the first one. (Man really thought he could stop Guts' heap of raw iron with a tooth pick one handed)
Griffith is evil, but only in a secondary sort of way. He is evil as a product of his miserably ironic sense of entitlement to what he wants over the wellbeing of the people he loves - who should really be his true dream, but narrow Falconlike vision for the nothingness shit dream he cobbled together as a little kid is precisely what left those cobblestones bare in the first place. Oh Griffith...
@@postproductions246610 out of 10 analysis
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Let's say Griffith had a USA phase
“Is it okay to kill hi-?”
*yes*
Guts deserved the eclipse.
@@CSWdenji69and why did he deserve that, trying to follow his own dream after helping Griffith succeed his? Stop your bs lil bro
Guts deserved it all along@@Vexazon
@@dr.vijayalakshmi6489 yeah no I'm not taking this bait
@@dr.vijayalakshmi6489 comments like this are literally just your own way of admitting that youre a piece of shit in real life. you just said that without actually saying it good job asshole.
Griffith's story is that of a man of immense will believing he knows what he wants, only for him to sacrifice what he truly wanted to obtain his original goal.
True, especially after seeing last chapter of Berserk
@@rubenharry6749 Griffith/Femto isn't the one crying in the last chapter, the moonlight boy is. That's literally the whole point of the monologue he gives at the end, he doesn't regret what he did or feel bad about it.
@@rubenharry6749 You definitely didn’t understand the chapter at all.
@@FuckCZcamsAndGoogle Griffith is the moonlight boy
I like that view of it. That's cool to think of. Maybe because I played the Dark Souls games first, it seems to me like there is a fated greatness vs self-progression greatness story going on.
He's am amazing villain. He's understandable and sympathetic, but also irredeemably evil.
He's not really sympathetic lol
@@eclypse5081 depends on the perspective, I personally find him sympathetic as well
Throughout the Band of the Hawks' Undefeated Streak, Griffith was trying super hard to stay strong and not let guilt eat away at him because of the casualties. At this point, he's still sane, like Casca said, even though Griffith's a different breed from the rest of them, in the end he's still human
Guts' Presence can be said to be what's keeping Griffith from going mad out of guilt, unbeknownst to even Griffith himself, Guts became an irreplaceable person in his life, to the point where Guts' presence alone is enough for him and he later on realized that Guts' importance to him was equivalent to his Dream
After being left by Guts and tortured for a year, to the point where he's a lifeless corpse, Griffith's mind was only filled with Guts, keeping him sane actually. He tried hard to hate him, but when he sees Guts again, he realized he can't actually bring himself to hate him, to the point where he's willing to just live a Normal Life with Casca
Well, in the end, he was presented with a choice, his Dream or the Band of Hawks, and he unfortunately chose the former, because for him to not be consumed by Guilt brought by his Actions in the past, he HAD to convince himself that 'the end justified the means', if he stopped chasing his dream, the dead won't forgive him and he'll live his life regretting not chasing it when the power to accomplish it is right before his eyes
At the very least, that's my take on Griffith's Character
@@kylenunez2820 he’s not sympathetic. Stop retelling the story again and again when anyone wants to say something good about him, even he sheds a tear in regret for his actions. There’s nothing sympathetic about greed and selfishness.
@@zzodysseuszz ever heard about an opinion? I have the same opinion as the Main Commenter here, "understandable and sympathetic, yet irredeemably evil", and I just stated why I find him like that. If my reply didn't convince you to find him of the same opinion, then that's your opinion, no need to admonish mine
If you misunderstand my comment in anyway, what I meant is that Griffith was trying hard to be Perfect as well when he's at his highest, the only person who knew his Cruelty and Dark Side was Guts. Is that not sympathetic?
Guts is also his only Friend and he didn't realize it till he lost him, he tried to keep him for his own because deep inside he's the only Person he relies on and would actually die for. This is what caused his dream to momentarily falter
And no, I never meant to justify his actions and choices on the Eclipse, its just my personal take on his Thoughts at that time. At that time, my anger didn't seep through till that bastard literally raped Casca in front of Guts just to spite him and prove to himself that he didn't need Guts. This is what sealed the deal for me, his Past Self IS the sympathetic one, not his Post-Eclipse self, forgot to put distinction there honestly
Hope that clears it up
@@kylenunez2820 stop with the essay Griffith a hoe 🤷🏾♂️
The ends justify the means when you don’t change your own self. He graped his best friends girl. That alone should make him irredeemable
In front of him. After killing all of his friends.
not only that but essentially malformed their unborn child in the process and after it was born used it as his new body, that’s a whole new level of fuckery
@@hyouka4567 Admittedly I was a tad happy when I finally figured out/realized that the baby is indeed Guts and Casca's, and perhaps expelling the influence of Griffith and returning Casca to normal could at least heal the unjustice done to Guts during the eclipse.
I don't think Guts even needed to be mentioned he graped the woman who believed so strongly him and trusted him completely.
Casca wasn't just his 'best friend's girl'. She was the woman who followed this asshat for years, served him, and put her life on the lines many times for him LONG before Guts ever showed up. Not a fan of seeing Casca being boiled down to 'Guts girl' over and over when its comes to this convo. She was basically asshat's right hand person until Guts came along. That was one of the reasons she despised him in the beginning.
imagine betraying your friends for a off brand Batman suit💀
As many people say: a latex batman suit.
"All my homies hate Griffith"
Except for me
@@CSWdenji69You aint his homie
@@RedLancerMoto he is my homie 🗿
@@Muzan_kibutsuji_1000but not the op homie
@@Vexazon
True 😩
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a Griffith apologist to enter the kingdom of Heaven.
Take the words out of my mouth
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If you analyse his character very careful in the golden age arc, you'll eventually come to the conclusion that he's a complete psychopath.
No? He had to do the sacrifice, not only for selfishness but for all the fallen warriors of the band of the hawk that sacrificed their selfs for realizing Griffith's dream. And Griffith have mental struggle about it, because he injured himselfs several times for all the victims his dream have brought. Griffith isn't a psychopath, he is only a human that have done wrong and good stuff
@@th4n4t0s6 exactly bro and In the last panel we see that Griffith dreams bout reincarnating into Casca’s kid at night. He clearly whether subconsciously or consciously has some feelings for them
@@th4n4t0s6 tf is wrong with yall
@@s3rz0gg48 maybe you have to return to watch/read Dragonball, since Berserk is too complicated for you. Gatsu/Guts is a human like Griffith (for his past), no discussion about it.
@@th4n4t0s6 He doesn't really care about anything, except his dreams, he hold no strong feelings about anything, a complete psychopath indeed.
Griffith is so well written and complex that it makes the entire game of thrones series look like dora the explorer
Calm down
Got tv show? Sure, but the book doesn't apply
Lol don't talk about stuff you don't understand. Read the books maybe you'll understand then.
It's like comparing berserk manga to berserk 2016
They hated him because he spoke the truth
griffith just turned his brain off after his boyfriend left to go train
Gonna be so real. Dumbing down Griffith’s character to “evil for no reason” or “just a bad guy” is such a slap in the face to miura. The man spent years constructing a deeply complex character just for people to perpetually ignore and hate on.
Yeah, he just trying to fullfil his goal, just like a homeless man killed his whole family, harvesting their organs and selling them to the black market and he became millionaire in no time
Ok but it’s true, and you would know that if you’ve read Berserk🤨 he’s a deeply complex character who is innately evil. The fact that he was destined to become a god hand member is evidence enough but that’s only 1 aspect of his evil nature. Did we read the same series?
@@jbstarkiller4626 Listen I did read berserk, and I acknowledge that my position on griffith’s character can pretty much only be obtained if you’ve ever been abused or tortured. As I have, And have gone to therapy and physiatrists I know how horrifying and painful it is. How the perception of my world changed, that the person I was before my trauma was effectively dead. Very VERY few people understand that feeling of being robbed of everything like that. So when I see griffith just before he becomes femto, I see myself in him, what I could have become if I hadn’t received help. Griffith, unlike me, didn’t have therapy, lived in a ruthless world where you don’t get pity, you don’t get a chance to talk about your feelings ((especially with him and no one else being able to properly communicate with him)). Griffith, is so realistically written to what happens to victims is a fault. Never, have I ever thought a series would write a character like this- not only that but he was literally manipulated into saying “I wish” like- seriously imagine being severely mentally ill, you’re hallucinating, you can’t place ur real emotions anywhere, you literally want to kill yourself. Then god like beings tell you that ur friends want you to sacrifice them? Like- this isn’t your typical “friendship can save everything guys! You just gotta believe!!!” Kind of anime- it’s painfully realistic. And yeah I don’t like what femto did, or how griffith turned out, but that wont stop me from seeing the reasoning behind his actions, the actual steps it took him to get there. I’ll love the characters that Miura spent years of his life creating, yeah! And I’ll like griffith I’ll appreciate femto as a villain cause- you know at the end of the day he isn’t real.
Griffith IS evil for no reason though, he has ambitions and some of it can be justified but doing what he did to casca was out of nothing but pure evil for no reason.
@@DoctorBones1mmm he did that bcz he was mad at Guts for leaving him
It isn't valid reason
But its a reason nonetheless
It kinda pisses me off how he sacrificed the entire band of the hawk and after reincarnating he has the audacity to call his new army the band of the hawks...like he didn't kill all of them
I mean he was the leader of the band of the hawk
@@kenhdautientoitaora7676 doens't give him the right to sacrifice everyone... does it ?
@@aryanthapa6671 I mean it kinda does. He did say all his people were willing to die for his cause and he will decide where they ultimately will die. Members could’ve left at any given time.
@@warlordop713 That's war, which was the way of the world in their time period. What he did was callously sacrifice them to sadistic and bloodthirsty demons in order to ascend to godhood. Had they known what he was willing to do to them or were able to comprehend the horror this man would visit upon them, I doubt they would've stayed or let Griffith live.
@@warlordop713 Guts tried to leave and Griffith tried to stop him....but Guts at the time surpassed Griffiths strength. I don't think anyone else is winning in a duel against Griffith. (Members in the band of the hawk)
“Do ends justify the means?”
Let’s see. The means were sacrificing the people who trusted him the most, raping the girl who figuratively worshipped him, releasing demons into the world, among other things.
Now, the ends were having a kingdom (Griffith reiterates this several times saying that he wants his own kingdom).
So no, the ends didn’t justify the means.
In your opinion
Grittith=giga chad don care what bitches say
@@seanstapelfeld Is that really an opinion when that is what literally happens?
@@seanstapelfeld if you think that all of those horrible deeds are acceptable for the final outcome of having a kingdom I have news for you...
You might be a bit mad.
@@CDRW24 it justifies it for him (Griffith) that’s why he did it. It doesn’t justify it for you the viewer but it does so for Griffith the character that sacrificed his crew to become a god
Griffith: "It's all a prank, Guts. You're being recorded."
Guts: **immediately activates berserker armor**
Spoilers
*doesn’t even fucking work*
Most justified thing ever
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Bro is the CEO of Evil Inc.
Y’all, this isn’t even a question. “Do the ends justify the means?”
Griffith: *Dooms humanity, slaughters his party, and r***s his best friend and tortures his other best friend just because he wanted power.*
They all had it coming. They were his soldiers who fought for his dream. Guts becomes a mercenary and cries about morals boohoo deserved.
@@CSWdenji69how
@@CSWdenji69bro….. 💀 ain’t no way you just said that.
@@saltymint yea wtf
@@CSWdenji69 he didnt even want to follow to begin with😅 nice deserved bruh
He’s an absolute monster, just a really well written one
@ratchet2002 explain
@ratchet2002
"He had no choice." He had at least three. Live a life of integrity and accept his life after torture, which we both know he wouldn't do. Kill himself, which is dishonorable and pathetic, which he also wouldn't do. Or, lastly, sacrifice everything that he held dear, and not in a genuine way, to obtain a restart, a reset, or endless power.
He willingly and without guilt chose to act out in an evil way. He is a psychopath. But, if someone said that psychopaths have no choice, then sure, maybe I agree with that. Evil is just evil. Evil doesn't have a choice to be good, just choices on how to be evil.
@ratchet2007lmfao no he is evil dumbass
No you’re just soft
@@CSWdenji69 Oh you’ve killed a bunch of people for power and your man-crush? Tell me about it! Please!
Because if you haven’t then you’re just an edgy bitch
He also is the sole reason there are monsters in every corner of the human world now. He just forced everybody to flock to his castle
It’s been an entire year since that day. Rest In Peace Kentaro Miura.
Rest in oesce
He didn't bring peace by creating Falconia but instead made sure the world outside of Falconia became dangerously uninhabitable
To all the people who genuinely believe Griffith did nothing wrong.
I'm sorry to say it, but he's made Hitler look like a preppy school yard bully when you tally up all his sacrifices alone
At least Hitler was nice to some specific Jews, and he loved dogs! He also stopped live boiling of lobster as that was animal cruelty. He also started the no smoking zones. He at least waned to do good in his twisted head. Griffith is straight up dead inside and would kill pupies.
Dude Hitler killed way more people then Griffith and was connected to way more atrociiteies.
Calm down 😅
This. The guy is evil. They have to deal with it.
I haven't seen breserk but Hitler>>
Grifith antes del eclipse podria ser un idiota narcisista mercenario si pero después del ecplise ya no hay vuelta atras, dejo su humanidad y se volvió lo mas horrible que puede haber
Moral of the story: never leave your homie
watchu mean homie😂 you mean homo😂
Underrated lmao
lmao
true homies forever hehee
Don’t be homies with a sociopath who will give up on ya friendship and adopted family for power.
Griffith : guts just believe me bro, all i want is just a castle bro, everything is necesarry bro.
Guts : GRIFFFFIIIIIIIIIITH!!!!!!!!!
Griffith is such an interesting character because his reasons for doing such inhumane things are so deeply human its insane
He manufactured a threat to midland just to dramatically swoop in and play the saviour for the masses. He wanted to be worshipped and this was his method of achieving that.
He wanted to have power, so he manipulated a situation in order for his power to be absolute.
He would absolutely sacrifice everything and everyone in Falconia if he ever found a prize that meant more to him.
I love how you put up an image of Guts with a demented smile when you said it was justified to kill Griffith. It is as if he is saying “Yes, you get it.” The way I feel like the series should end if we ever get an actual ending, is Griffith getting killed, but not at the hands of Guts. In fact either Casca should do it if she regains her memories or the princess should do it after finding out how truly evil Griffith is.
Griffith isn’t an example of a morally ambiguous antagonist. He’s an example what makes someone become irredeemably evil.
Absolutely fucking not. He doesn’t care for evil he’s just extremely ambitious. Guts shouldn’t be bitching about Morals when he chose to be a mercenary.
@@CSWdenji69his motivation does not have to be evil to make him irredeemable. It's his actions. Hitler believed he was correct in his atrocities, but that didn't make him any less evil.
@@CSWdenji69As long as its ambition, its not evil. Like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and every other mass murderer who had ambition.
@CSWdenji69 he killed people, doomed the human race, tortured his best friends for little to no gain, and sacrificed his band just to wear his gay ass batman costume
@@CSWdenji69Griffith is absolutely evil
Finally, someone who knows Griffith did everything wrong
Please tell me you're joking
Why would they be joking?
Griffith isn't necessarily evil,nore is he really good.Grifith is just a selfish asshole with lots of ambition.The only thing is that before he didn't feel guilt or responsibility when his comrades died,but atleast he wouldn't sacrifice his comrades.He later snaps after his fall from grace and decides he really will do anything for his dream,his selfish and doesn't care what he has to do to fulfill his ambition.Fuck Griffith
Well bois, looks like we found the sicko
Lol you pissed off the Griffith fan boys xd
Is Griffith straight
Me: Hell No
…up evil
Me: Hell Yea
FACT: Griffith was straight. Until Guts shows up.
This chaos was happening because of lovers misunderstanding.
Guts: so we werent really equal. you wanted a big dreamer.
Griffith: i was willing to forget my dreams for you. (read berserk manga moments before griff agrees in the eclipse)
@@susandinosaur732 wasn’t that man giving up his ass to kings before ever meeting guts BY CHOICE💀
@@223muey so who is gay? every men is gay, except for straight kings?
@@223muey yeah bro was taking in between the cheeks for money 💀 nigga was a hooker
@@223muey he didn't do that because he's gay, it's just for the large sum of money needed to fund his army. He's not gay for Guts also. He admired Guts because he's the only one he could see as his equal hence his friend. The friend that turned his back on him when he needed him most. He became to reliant on Guts that he lost his composure when Guts left him.
PIPPIN IS THE MAN!!! HE'LL ALWAYS BE MISSED😭
I like pippin too
Griffith makes Netflix Ryo Asuka look like the nicest guy in the universe
nah ryo killed the planet lmao and without a goal like griffith he just hates humans 😂
“His death would be detrimental to millions of people, so is killing him justified? YES it still is.”
Love the emphasis on that yes.
We all pretend that justification matters but the truth is that it's all arbitrary... It's one of the toughest things in life to deal with and accept
Killing him is justified just like Griffith was justified in the ends justifying the means
Nope it is not justified.
It's not
@@rsy3974 why not?
I always found Griffith so interesting because he is such a subversion of the typical “shonen mc wanting to do whatever it takes to reach their dream” trope.
Griffith has a dream and is willing to do whatever he needs to make that dream a reality even if that means sacrificing people he cares for.
Yeah he's like that common trope completely REVERSED and I like that makes him compelling
Its like berserk fans dont read berserk manga.
didnt griffith tell in his mind that guts was the only person who made him forget about his dream? (this was in the eclipse before he agrees to terms)
meaning as long as he was with guts. life as it is is okay. He was fine not to take his dream along with the stress it gives. just live the moment with guts. that was enough replacement for his dreams of wearing a crown in a castle..
@@susandinosaur732 well no.
Yes Guts made Griffith care about something other then his dream for ones but the end goal was always the castle.
As we see after Griffith is rescued he can’t deal with the idea of a quite life without the crown he had been fighting for his whole life even if that included Guts.
@@andrithorkristensson2545 LOL how can griffith deal with that life? he cant possibly be king, he cant possibly be guts equal/friend. the two things he ever wanted was impossible to reach. ofcourse he wont accept the only possible route, which is being pitied by guts and casca.
yes, the end goal was always the castle as everyone except guts and casca is riding their hopes and dreams to griffith becoming king. Nearly everyone in the band got a dream that if griffith becomes king, they'll also be included in that kingdom, maybe as tailors, cooks, soldiers, laborers, business owners etc. Griffith cannot back down even if he wanted to.
@@andrithorkristensson2545 Griff accepts the deal with the hand because its the best possible choice.
either Death. Be Pitied for life. Or become a king.
As some old prophets said
Never trust and be friends with the man who says and believes Griffith did nothing wrong
Nah fr
Ngl we should group all them together then sacrifice them to the God Hand, see how they feel then
He aint done nothing bad yow
@@SuperDababy2 muslims believe in Muhammad let's see what you can do about that or the Chinese worshipping mao or the Turks Genghis Khan
My bf said that he liked Griffith as a character and no cap .he was apparently joking and only meant that he was dealt with a lot of abuse so ofc he went off on eveyone but it actually concerns me pretty bad , like he’s a sociopath how can u like him after what he did to casca
Lelouch answered the ends justified the means very well. He actually achieved world peace and he cared about good in the world enough to sacrifice himself and make himself the most hated person.
Facts!
But in this case Griffith was the one that made the world a hellhole, because of his resurrection demons started appearing all over the world. He then takes advantage of it to make himself look like a saint, making falconia the only place with peace
What you’re describing is not the ends justify the means, it’s some ends justify some means
lelouch is whom griffith has wet dreams about
yeah I don't think rape is justifiable either way
Cope
Griffith is the most ungrateful guy i have seen
He makes the youngest child look like the most grateful and nice person ever
Bro what are you even talking about
Griffith's decision to go and bang the princess is the biggest meltdown from a heartbreak I ever seen in media🤣
So true😂 it’s like a teenager
Finally someone explains it so simple
I loved Griffith so much during the Golden Age Arc and then he did..........what he did to Casca and oh boy, I don't think I can describe the boiling rage I have in my heart for him
He was a very interesting character pre eclipse, seemingly simple when you look at his obsession with his dream but having many aspects boiling and cooking under the surface just waiting to explode.
You’re soft that’s why.
Griffith is the definition of lawful evil
True, still my hero
@@anonymousanon6913 same heh
The REAL question is "Is Griffith STRAIGHT?"
He's straight until Guts shows up
He was fucking men
Probably gay for guts lol
No he is bi
I think the bastard is "bisexual"
Short answer: yes
Long answer : YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS
tbh kento miura wrote griffith so good that people cant decide wether if he is pure evil or just a somewhat grey area
He is obviously morally gray I don’t give a fuck what cucks say. He is a man with immense ambition. People hate him cus they ain’t him.
he is undoubtledly pure evil
"A villain is just a broken hero"
"When we were young.We admired the hero.as we get older.We understand villains"
I love how Griffith doesn't have a tragic moment in his childhood that fuels his ambition. I love that he doesn't have a sobstory, he was just a normal boy who wanted to rise socially. He built his mercenary gang and rose to power with nothing but simple desires with no tipping point nexus to lean on.
As such, his downfall comes from his more present actions: clouding his heart to the sacrificing of innocent people, like the little squire; Guts leaving; his foolish advances towards Charlotte; his feelings of invalidation towards Casca, whom he saw as someone he would always be above of...
This way, there is no Talk no Jutsu. Griffith did all of this without any traumatic baggage. And it's such a unique way of building a tragic bastard.
@Karatekid004 Yes I know, but many people are poor in Berserk.
Not all have his ambition. I'm basically saying that, when Griffith started the Band of the Hawk, he was very much your Random Joe. No tragic death in the family, no impure blood, he was just a poor kid.
I like to imagine the moonlight child is calling Griffith loser for using the Baylet and that’s why the Moonlight child is really is guts a sun
It was confirmed with the last chapter that the moonlight child was Gut’s son, the cursed child. The cursed child who Griffith merged with regained control during full moons and went to Guts and Casca. We know this because after the full moon ended the moonlight child turned into Griffith.
@@alecluh4144 naa, it was probably a different scene when Griffith was talking to his wife
Do the ends justify the means? I would argue that sometimes, yes... because the ends in of themselves limit what means you can use to reach it. Gaining power is a very different end than keeping power, and thus require very different actions to arrive to the desired end.
The problem with Griffith is not the means he uses to reach his desired end, but rather that the end he wants to achieve is unethical and problematic.
You had me in the first half but stumbled at the end, creating a Kingdom of Peace and Prosperity isn't unethical, but having your godlike homies bring demons into reality to force mankind into your "cage of peace" is.
@@melancholyman369 I admit, I have not kept up with Berserk, but as I understand the character of Griffith, his main driving force is to be superior to others, that is why his dream was to be the emperor of a kingdom. That is the reason he thought of Guts and the band of hawk as subordinates, that is why he forces himself on to castca when he is rescued. He became femto becausr it was the shortest path to feeling superior to others.
His desire to rule didn't come from a place of concern for his subjects, but for his need to feel superior. Those 2 motivations have different possible means to achieve them.
@@melancholyman369 or you know killing you’re allies and even fucking a princess is a bit stupid and selfish
@@melancholyman369 plus he never cared for his allies as they were tools for his goals and ambitions
@@Channel-23s he DID care for guts which caused his downfall
I love that Guts, after seeing Grifith after all those years, he just goes, “Bro, what the fuck?”, and then leaves
I got into berserk not too long ago, and honestly, it's an incredible story. Showing the exact contrast of Griffith, being ambitious and driven, where Guts has no purpose and only does what he is told.
It shows the true horror humanity can inflict on ones self and how there really isnt much of a true form of retribution, and how an act of paracausal, otherwordly action can truly change a person.
Its a shame the writer died. And how we wont get a true ending because it would've been amazing to see Guts and Griffith fight one more time and reset the world
He basically took responsibility for all the evil that exists, after losing it all, now all depends on him basically, evil already existed, even if he didn't become the godhand, he just took the responsibility, giving place to darkness to spread, but then coming back to earth to fight the evil he himself created, even tho he really didn't create it, taking responsibility for it all, the good and the evil, all of it, comes down to griffith now, since he created a safe kingdom for himself, but for people too
I missed the days when Griffith actually smile like a child.
He’s still a boss.
@@CSWdenji69 nice meat rider u are😂
The issue is that griffith isn't Griffith anymore, or so at least it seems that way. Hes been kept at an arms length for so long after his reincarnation through guts and cascas child that it's hard to tell if he's satisfied.
Finally someone who’s actually human
An anti hero who was forced into hardship vs an anti villain who chose every hardship for themselves
There's one thing that everyone always fails to mention... He always said he would do it. He always said that he would stop at nothing, and let nothing come between him, and his dream. He repeated it constantly... everyone around him just refused to hear it.
What I personally believe happened was once bested by Guts, Griffith realized how not so untouchable he really was and how badly he needed Guts. Guts’ departure sent him spiraling into depression and an existential crisis. Griffith then foolishly enacted his plans too soon with sleeping with the princess, thus getting himself caught and tortured.
Of course he is straight up evil. Everything he’s done in his life has only been for his own gain.
Hasnt that been the case for all of us
@@fusiontoa18 no?
@@fusiontoa18 no?
@@fusiontoa18 yes 👍🏼 The comment above are lying 😂
@@fusiontoa18 Yes
Griffith was NEVER chill.
Griffith is a friendly reminder that Lucifer isn't some ugly, hideous fiend. He's handsome, gentle, and deceitful.
"Do ends justify the means" bro it gave me code geass vibes
Didn't one of the godhand members say that he was chosen because he had the qualities of a demon?
Cause he can throw it all away that easily.
Griffith makes me feel like Guts just pure and utter rage
“He would sacrifice all of midland to be a god” maybe that’s his end goal. Get the whole world to love him then start Armageddon and leave them to die with his even crazier god abilities.
he was manipulated by the god hand since he was young. the old hag who sold him the behelit was literally one of them. they made him obsessed with his dream and used him to their own will. miura stated himself in an interview that griffith is not the main antagonist, but rather the skull knight is. the quote was referring to griffith as well: In this world, is the destiny of mankind controlled by some transcendental entity or law? Is it like the hand of God hovering above? At least it is true that man has no control, even over his own will.
Griffith is more complicated than just straight up evil
That depends on your definition of evil, I think sacrificing innocents and loved ones for power and prestige is straight up evil.
@@TandJgaming if u just sum up all the bad things he has done he does sound evil but he also cares about his men. but his dream comes above everything. and considering that he was a living corpse and was basically manipulated it makes sense, after becoming a God a argument can be made that he was just evil since he brought the demons and raped casca and has lost all his humanity
@@TandJgaming totally when you look into the things he did for his own means it shows if he’s good evil or gray in the matter
It's 100% evil, he is just not a flat character. I think we are so used to bad written villain that, when we see an actually good villain, we mark them as "morally gray". He is not, there is nothing even remotely "grey" in what he did. He never did it out of positive thinking, he never did anything out of a "greater good". He did it for himself and only for himself. He betrayed the same person who saved his ass and put him in the position he was. He is evil and it's not even debatable. But Miura was a crazy good writer and Griffith is still an amazing character
@@micheledelloglio5820 considering that he sold his body for his men and the state he was in when the eclipse occurred. he values his dream to an absurd reason but it makes sense. I think in that situation a lot of people would do the same if given the choice. the rape thing was after he became a God and by then he lost all his humanity. but a case can be made that he was always selfish and evil in chapter 83, the not cannon chapter where he says "I want wings" but that chapter isn't cannon
It’s a shame we will never get to see Guts decision on dealing with him
Isidropkicks him, skull knight exorcises the moonlight child, and then everyone beats Griffith to death.
Happy ending
"Is it justified to kill him?"
Me: *laughs like the question was a joke* ... *Doom guy music plays*
The position he ended up in before the eclipse was purely his fault. He threw a temper tantrum that Guts left and got on the wrong side of a king in doing so. Then, when that caused Guts and Casca to grow closer, he couldn't expect that he couldn't control everything and ran off again, causing the Eclipse Masacre and other thing
Bro sacrificed his friends for a Batman cross play💀
He purposefully did not kill Ganishka and made him feel “small”/“insecure” to churn his ego and made Ganishka loath him enough to transform into that big chunk of tree or whatever. Griffith KNEW what he was doung. Everything he did was so calculated but dam. Did that slap from Rickert felt so satisfying
Griffith is such a kid, lashing out at everyone around him just because guts left him
Griffith is a politician. He would sacrifice an entire planet for the sake of being the best.
what's tha name of this movie and where can i watch this?, please
Bro sacrificed his friends for a Travis Scott aah looking batman suit 😭
Griffith never had friends…or even comrades really… just possessions. The reference guts made in the beginning of getting his arm “plucked like a doll.” Is in reference to this.
Remember that griffith sell his body tô protect the band ,and get me sword
Didn't he mention something about a coble stones and achieving his dreams.
He did it to advance it wasn't all that selfless, but nice try.
I'm not a Griffith hater but he did that for his dream, not to protect the band
He created the evil and then “fought” it back, he’s evil hiding behind the bulwark of good. That’s literally his entire color scheme, his true for is the dark femto but the front he presents to the people is the white hawk, plus he’s gay, just look at those lips 😩
I feel like Griffith’s sexuality is along the lines of asexual/aromantic, while he’s had sex with both genders he only really uses it as a way to manipulate people and gain something, rather than desiring to be intimate with someone, he doesn’t entirely seem capable of that kind of emotional attachment.
I know a common fan theory is he had unrecognised feelings towards Guts that he’s too much of a sociopath/narcissist to ever identify it as the real cause of his mini breakdown after Guts left, but it’s equally plausible his reaction to Guts leaving was just a reaction to the loss of power/control over someone as it’d never happened before, then going to Charlotte to reestablish a sense of control.
But to go back to the topic of character design, if I recall correctly at a certain point in European history male nobility wore makeup, including white face powder, blush and lipstick, sometimes white curly wigs too. It was around the same time men worn high heels as a status symbol. It’s likely why nobles in the golden age arc point out he “looks” like he’s noble born, despite being actually being common born.
Tho I imagine Griffith’s design is far more heavily based on artistic depictions of angels, which are historically VERY feminine (sometimes outright drawn as a male/female hybrid) and often have long wavy hair just like his. Even Lucifer himself was very feminine in design, his angel form at least, before the whole red devil design became prominent.
@@Sanakudou hey, all I’m sayin is that I wouldn’t mind some gwack gwack 10,000 from
Griffith
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@@Sanakudou yeah but the whole telling guts he will sacrifice his dream for him when his dream has always been everything to him since a little boy and to add to that when he was sleeping with the princess he was only thinking about guts kinda makes it more than just power and control. Casca even said guts never tried to force anyone to join him but guts was the only exception.
@@Sanakudou ok, the thing with Griffith and guts is its own thing. Griffith straight out said he doesn't love anyone who is beneath him, and sees all those that adore him unconditionally as beneath him. This crushed Guts's bromance, and so Guts decided to go off and say "screw you" to Griffith. When he decided that, obv. He now fullfilled Griffith's requirements, but in doing so Guts no longer needed him and thus did not really want him in the way Griffith wanted.
Though Guts is perfectly fine after all this, Griffith kind of defined himself in a "damned if you do damned if you don't" situation.
I don't think anything really defines his sexuality either way as, as you said, it's purely an means to an end in his mind, and if anything he COULD be gay or, personally, I believe he leans more to bi, (there's his coming on to/ pathetic attempted rape of casca moments before the eclipse and then legit rape of casca during the eclipse, which seem borne of a depressive desire to be loved, which, prior to his imprisonment he took for granted, and particularly to take what Guts, his true object of desire, now possessed, but there's still a sexual desire element to it...), But in the end, there's just not enough reason to believe any particular way at all about his sexuality.
There’s only one word that describes him. Despicable.
Everyone got their bad days or straight up catastrophe happened to them, but it's the reaction of individuals that defines which side of morality they stands upon
Like dude, he just doesn't like being defeated by any means he sacrificed all of his friends for power because of what he did with the princess knowing what could happen to him as punishment. Then he changed his mind and saved everyone again after everything that he chose.
Man idk but this is one of the villains that actually pisses me off
1. Griffith was broken when guts left him, so he did a mistake which is have segs with the princess, this is like when someone driving when they are drunk, they can easily cause mistake even if they know what will happen
2. Griffith sacrified all his band so his fallen soldier wont died for nothing. Remember, the band of the hawk was pretty big when casca joined, so there must be more than hundreds of people who died for griffith dream
If griffith doesnt sacrified the band, he will be left with a disabled body, and even worse, his fallen soldier died for NOTHING
If griffith sacrified his band, he will get a new body, and the most important thing is: his fallen soldier died for the new emperor
And All fallen soldiers combined is significant larger than the band of the hawk when guts joined
@@kenhdautientoitaora7676I don’t think guts,Casca,corkus,pippin and Judeau would have liked being sacrificed to demons.
guts made him forget his goal
a good bad guy is when the bad guy looked as the good guy by the other character who doesnt know the bad guy backgrounds
This is why when I hear people say, “Griffith did nothing wrong”
Griffith is literally the fictional version of Alexander, Caesar, Genghis Khan ,Napoleon, Asoka, Washington etc. And other Great Men of history, whom sacrificed thousands or even millions of lives for Glory or victory.
Berserk made me questioned the Military aspects of history.
The only person Griffiths ever cared about, is Griffith
I think it's important to address another facet of Griffiths motivations pre eclipse. Part of how he justifies what he does in battle is that to stop now would mean all prior sacrifices were moot. That as long as he achieves victory, he can use their deaths for a better cause.
Before his transformation, this was likely part of what helped him decide and justify the decision. His dream could die then and there, meaning all previous sacrifices were for nothing. Or he could add a few more bodies to the pile and still use their sacrifices for something greater. Plus it helped that one of the sacrifices was the person he blamed for his fall from grace.
Is Griffith still an asshole selfish piece of shit? 100% but it's also important to understand the parts of him that can be seen as justifiable just so one can fully appreciate how big of a dick he is.
i think its important to find out how griffith felt about guts.
manga/eclipse moments/around before griffith agrees to sacrifice.
He's one of the few monsters I feel sorry for. He had everything that he wanted within his grasp. He wanted an equal but was inconceivably pissed when Guts decided to follow what he said. The epitome of one rule for thee another for me. Everybody came back for him and he threw them all away for power.
Pretty sure Griffith reincarnated by taking the body of Guts and Casca's mutated unborn child. So in a way he is now Guts' child. Adds insult to injury when Guts finally kills him.
Not really, from what I understand, they were both reborn from the Egg and live in the same body (or have the same soul I don’t know the case is that they’re connected).
Guts won’t kill him. If you’ve read the manga, you’ll know that won’t ever happen
@_oblivion_ have u caught up to the manga, or even read it? The black swordsmen arc was completely devoted to guts killing the evil guy, but Berserk is about a story of friendship and betrayal at the end of the day. And the end even made it more obvious that it will never happen
@_oblivion_ my bad I didn’t even see the first reply saying u read it. But if you search up any video on yt or even google, they all agree. If you haven’t finished berserk and read till the final chapter then u wouldn’t understand. Gotta finish it then come back. The things that happen will change your mind. Also, I get what Griffith did, especially to Guts and Casca. That doesn’t mean Guts wants to go after him. For two years Guts searched for any apostles to slaughter, that is until he came back to Godo’s place and found Casca missing. After the Conviction arc he returned with Casca and decided to not leave her again, but to bring her with him and just protect her. If you read further and further through the volumes, you’ll notice Guts’ character changed a lot since the Black Swordsman arc. He has sympathy, respect, and he cares for people other than Casca now. I get that Griffith basically brainwashed all of Midland and turned it into Falconia but non of that matters anymore. As Guts says later in the manga, Griffith is just a person who will keep pushing toward with nothing to stop him. Guts will never get his actual revenge against Griffith, because that is the type of person he has become. If you still think you have pointless points against an argument that I’m pretty sure Miura himself verified, then just search it up on yt, it’s not my opinion, it’s literally what will happen.
@_oblivion_ I said “I’m pretty sure it was even verified by Miura himself”. I’m not forming my opinions into any facts. I’ve heard that’s what he said in an interview and that’s why I said I’m pretty sure. Also, I get that you aren’t disagreeing with anything I’m saying, I’m just saying in my opinion, I don’t agree with your opinions given where Guts is mentally in the world of Berserk, to me they make no sense. And I get it’s not for simple “revenge”, but again after reading the final chapter of Berserk, it changes everything. Also, Idk if u meant you’re done with 60-70% or something, but if you are then try finishing the manga, chapter 364 is crucial. But again imo I don’t think he’ll go after Griffith for a greater good or for revenge, given that he already had the chance to do so multiple times and failed. Btw, it’s not really a part of the conversation, but how would he even try to fight Griffith again? He’s tried to at the end of Black Swordsmen arc, and he’s tried to in the Eclipse. He also had the brand which literally prevents him from getting too close, and it puts the person in immense pain. Not only that but Griffith can bend space and time using a finger.
It’s very tricky because Griffith showed signs of caring for his hawks, but at the same time it’s almost like he had to distance himself from them maybe to stay focused and sharp. I don’t think that he was inherently evil from the start, but I just think that his dream of having that kingdom overpowered his compassion For other things. He gave all of his hawks what he promised, and that was a better life, and they were all about to be nobleman and landowners ect. because of the victory of the war. Honestly bro was pretty chill until Julius and the Queen started coming for him and he had to do what he had to do... And as for Guts, technically he owned Guts because Guts lost that duel and he belonged to Griffith so Guts didn’t really have the right to just up and leave like that. Things went downhill from there obviously, but I think there’s some mental illness at play too because Griffith never really had someone to talk to outside of Casca & Guts a little bit.
This series left me mental unstoppable for real 😢