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It was confirmed by one of the devs that the gods get stronger the older they get and it applies to kratos. It explains why Zeus was extremely powerful in the Greek games
@@Novamoon97 Zeus was the only one free. His other siblings had all been consumed by Kronos. As a result, Zeus was able to grow naturally and what not, compared to his siblings who were trapped inside Kronos stomach.
@@OscarASevilla they weren't dead tho just stuck if that stopped the from aging then hed be called the oldest but he isn't. Hell they all look around the same age yet he was a grown man when he freed them
@@Novamoon97 yea, the Gods inside Kronos couldn't develop as well, due to being in his stomach. They still aged. Zeus also had actual outside time to hone his skills and all too.
kratos’s immortality is very similar to baldurs, except he’s not immune to all threats, but his durability can literally take them blank on, and if u get so as lucky to kill him, he’d come back 2 hours later, his curse stops him from finding true death, meaning he’d always find a way out, even if you imprison him in the underworld in a place of death, he’d just find a way to break the chains and walk free, this explains why when kratos dies, he doesn’t release the power from his concept out of his body, like the other powerful greek gods, if u kill them, all the powers they obtained and power of their concept explodes from their body, but when kratos dies, this doesn’t happen and this is because his curse, that he can never find true death, so his concept never leave his body when he dies, because according to his concept which for kratos is (War and Apocalypse) he hasn’t actually died
@@abdbay i think their is a way, he just hasn’t ran into a god that knows of his curse but i’m sure there’s gods who can break his curse, they just haven’t killed him to see for themselves that he’s actually cursed
@@abdbayi feel like the reason for his curse is deeper than said ingame, the purpose of his curse is to signify the inevitable apocalypse, the concept of no matter how hard you try or what you do, you can’t stop the apocalypse, kratos is a god of war and apocalypse, the omega concept of his power means War and Apocalypse, he could never die, he escaped outside of death, outside of time and fate, and what else does this? the apocalypse
@@abdbay We will find out in the next set of game titles wherever he goes next, if he goes to the sands of the Egyptian gods like everyone says will happen then maybe they will know what is plaguing him because they are very in tune with death in their pantheon.
I dont think that the gods actually age I think that the gods appearance is linked directly as how they see themselves even subconcious, like for example in the trilogy Kratos saw himself still as Soldier that has a war to fight while Zeus thought he was all-wise and in the GOW(2018) and Ragnarok Kratos see himself as a father, Thor thinks that he is nothing but a drunk that can fight and Odin even with all his power still see himself as frail old man because of all the things that he cant understand
This entire comment section is people inventing lore and weaving together their own head-canon lmao. Gods don't age, they *consciously* change their appearance to whatever they desire. Zeus *deliberately* chose the appearance of an elderly man to signify his preeminence over the other gods, as well as his own perceived wisdom. Kratos ages because *HE IS NOT IMMORTAL, OR A GOD* lmao. He is a demi-god who was granted full immortality and godhood for a short while before having it taken away from him again. All of his godly power was in the blade, and he chose to release that power into the world in GOW3. Kratos ages because *HE'S OLD* it's as simple as that.
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no Chill man, let people have fun and since what you said wasn't actively confirmed yours theory is canon as much as the others. Also you come to say to me that Kratos defeated Baldur in the beggining without any godly power, really?
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no Literally Cory Balrog has confirmed that he is a God and he is stronger than his greek version. He also confirmed that he is inmortal. I mean, if the DIRECTOR Of the Game says it is because it's canon
Zeus didn’t really age to an old man, zeus is the youngest of the gods, he just decided to take that form as it is shown he can shape shift thou, if that what u mean
Kratos has several different types of immortality 1. There’s the curse that prevents him killing himself 2. His eternal youth he just has from being a God/olympian 3. Then there’s his regeneration that allows him to heal from fatal wounds
Yeah fr I thought the curse was him not to be able to kill himself, bc the old games he dies and still goes to hades, he just escapes lol but every time he tried to take his own life the gods didn't let him
I think the curse no longer works because Greece was left in ruins and as explained in the game, magic is linked to the land it comes from and if Kratos lost his magical attacks makes sense to say that curses also stopped working when their world died
@@nosequeponeraqui2361 I don't think that's true because curses are unconditional unlike magic meaning they aren't bound by anything but the user and victim and that happens to be kratos also the director of gow 2018 said that kratos is stronger than his young self plus its kinda been hinted that kratos still has this immortality trough some lines in ragnarok like ''death can have me when it earns me'' EDIT:in the comics when kratos was traveling to the norse pantheon I think the wizard or whatever says to kratos that his destiny is too roam the earth forever and at that time the Greek pantheon was destroyed by kratos so yeah think of that what you will
The way I've always viewed it is that his curse ensures that even if he does die, he cannot and will not stay dead. Even if he wanted to, something will always bring him back. I mean, yeah he can die in game but it's a game mechanic, not a canonical death. Side note: Unfortunately, we don't see him have a canon death in the Norse games so we have no idea if he would even go to their afterlife or somehow return to the Greecen underworld.
@@cansifertharan6611 Thor shocking doesn’t mean I’m reviving you from death he could have just wanted to wake him up did the devs say it was a canon death?
If Kratos couldn’t be killed then the second act of god of war Ragnarok would have no meaning lol. Why allow his son to worry about his prophesied death when he knew a curse would keep him alive. Kratos even comments on the prophecy and says “death will have me when it earns me” meaning he’s aware of the possibility, however he does not fear it. Kratos can be killed.
Can we all just agree that he didn't die when thor struck him clean in the face and he was just knocked out, I think he's just holding back because kratos was on the path he swore to never walk again henced what he experienced kind of a breakdown when he killed Heimdall.
Even Odin & Zeus got older Kratos is at least 1000 years old by the time of the Norse series he is older than Freya maybe even Tyr but not as old as Odin
@@martrellpeterson9564 The potential difference in Kratos's possible ages is enormous. If you take only in-game events as canon, he's about 200 and some change. If you go by actual historical timeframe, he's easily over 1000. The problem being that these timeframes don't line up as the Greek Mythology setting appears to take place in tandem with the Norse Mythology, since Tyr went and visited a bunch of other realities at the same time.
@@vsGoliath96 the norse & greek pantheon actually are coincided with one another how else could thor have heard about the ghost of sparda story…in fact how could odin & baldur have heard it? in this world the greek & norse mythology are like traveling high north of the world and very low south of the world atleast thats how I made sense of it
Zeus shapeshifts, he doesn't actually age. Full immortals use physical age as a way of reflecting imminence in the pantheon, the king-gods always choose elderly appearances to reflect their position above others and perceived wisdom. Kratos genuinely just gets older; he is not a full immortal, olympian or god. It is not the same.
These cultures and modern Western pop culture with their definitions of godly immortality differs so greatly from what we have in Africa. In our religions, Gods doesn't age for as they are primordial beings umbound to the constraints of time, space and the cycle of life and d3ath. Even the ones who did actually holds dominion within the elements, aspects and realms of the cosmos. They can guise themselves as whatever they want: young, old, animal, human, spirit being, an element, et cetera: but in their fair forms, they appears young, ageless and eternally old at once. Heck, it is said that even the early generations or hybrid half-human offspring descendants stopped aging once they grew into adulthood and could live forever, barring strange accidents and getting deleted by another fellow demigod or deity: instead, they simply grew world-weary with age. Whom to the early mortal descendants of these latters? Sometimes they grew physically old and withered. Sometimes they figured out how to cheat the outcomes of ageing, nay of ageing alone until their time comes. And sometimes they found a way to ascend into immortality-- but in either case, they lived and deleted. Only after living a couple centuries, let alone of thousands of years.
One thing i noticed after watching all the Greek saga games recently is that the people saying Kratos is weaker not only makes sense but is canonically truth. Is explained at the end of GOW3 that when Kratos was using the power of hope all along not the evils (they attached to the Gods, hence why every time Kratos killed one the evils unleashed into the world). With the power of hope he was able to always get stronger than his opponents, he became stronger than Chronos when fighting him and faster than Hermes when chasing him. and in the end instead of giving to Athena he gives away to humanity. But for that he used the blade of Olympus, a weapon capable of remove godhood from it's victims (as showed in God of war 2) so in the norse saga he might be only stronger than his God of war 1 self. He still has his uncontrollable power of rage (if he lets everything out like it happened during Thor's fight) but that's one power he's not willing to use. They could use the idea that there's still a sliver of the power of hope in him but unless he's going to fight indu gods there's no reason for him to get stronger.
I personally believe his curse is still active even after Greece being destroyed because if you read the God of War comics (if cannon ) they show what happens to kratos after he stabbed himself. He wondered the desert (most likely how he ended up in Norse) trying to get rid of the blades yet they kept returning. And even if they comics aren’t canon the fact he still has the blades shows that the curse that ties the blades to him his still active in the game because I’m almost certain he wouldn’t have chosen to take them as much as he hates them. So if they curse that ties him to the blades are still active that means that somehow his curse of never truly dying can be active as well. A theory I have is that maybe some type of untraditional magic was used to create his curse maybe not a type of magic that was “natural” or came from the lands themselves meaning Greece being destroyed may not have affected the curse. There’s plenty of shows, movies, and games where people mess with unnatural or unorthodox type of magic (usually some type of dark magic) that doesn’t use the same rules as the more natural or typical magic so maybe that type of magic was used for his curse and same with the blades which is why both are possibly still active.
Another theory I have is that magic works differently in Greece compared to Norse. We’ve already seen many similarities with slight differences. So when Freya says that “magic is tied to the lands” if her knowledge of magic only spans to Norse magic maybe the magic in Greece doesn’t work the same. And the reason the kratos can’t call on any of his old magic is because most of his powers he obtained came from other gods or things tied to or created by other gods. So maybe Greece magic isn’t necessarily tied to the lands but tied to the god that used that magic. Meaning when he killed all the gods that were tied to his power he lost that power. We’ve seen when Greek gods die their power is released from their body and pretty much destroyed and it affects the lands. For example when kratos killed Apollo (the god of the sun) the sky went dark and the sun basically disappeared. So I think in Greece magic and the natural order of things comes from the gods that control that specific factor of nature. Meaning kratos lost the power he had from the gods. But the curse not necessarily being tied to a deity can still be in affect even after that deity or magic user dies. So Freya’s statement could possibly only be true for Norse magic not Greek magic also. Which means his powers from other gods are gone because they are gone but the magic that’s not specifically tied to anyone or just a magic spell could still be in affect after Greece being destroyed making his curses still active So just the magic he obtained from deities specifically that gave him power or power he took from them is the only thing that was destroyed with Greece
I think the comic is Canon. In the game, when you're exploring, he tells Atreus and Mimir that he tried to get rid of his blades but they kept coming back.
@@villa_art I believe they are too I think one of the GOW writers was involved with it. But if so then that pretty much proves that some magic at least curses are still active even after Greece was destroyed. Which means kratos’s curse is still very much there. So if all this is right be pretty much can’t truly die until someone figures it out and reverses it.
He just ages really slow, along with his regenerative abilities it takes longer for him to age. Cos it’s been said he spent around 100+ years in Midgard, but it looks like he only aged by 10 or 15 years.
Actually he's in the 1,000's. Him and Odin are close in age. After a certain point I think Kratos stopped aging completely. Similar to how Zues stopped aging after he developed bags and wrinkles.
@@HimHim77 Zeus never aged, he chose to shapeshift to reflect his preeminence. Poseidon is older than Zeus but looks like a surfer lol, Olympians look however they want. Kratos ages because he is genuinely mortal, however slow the process will be due to the divine blood within him.
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no the devs have confirmed Kratos isn't a mortal or demi he's a full blown god and age does not affect him. Based on GoW comics/lore and legends Kratos was wondering for 1,000's of years before coming to Midgard during that time he still looked like GoW3 Kratos. Think about what you are saying about Zues it can be applied to Kratos.
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no I just look at GoW 3 Poseidon he don't have gray hair but still have bags, deep smile line and wrinkles around eyes. Things that are associated with aging. It'll make sense to say externally they age to a degree but internally they have the youth of a teenager.
@@HimHim77 If by "devs" you mean Barlog then idrc, his statements go against lore anyway; he mostly just promotes Old Kratos to sell his games lol. Kratos was objectively born a demigod; the only time he was granted full immortality is when he became an Olympian God after killing Ares. After dispelling his power into the blade of Olympus, he lost his status as an Olympian God, and all of the powers that come with it (including full immortality). He later DISPELLED the power in the blade unto the rest of the world. Kratos *IS NOT* an Olympian, an Immortal or a God. He ages because he *IS MORTAL* lol. Idc if Barlog says his d!ck is green to feed the fantasies of rabid fans, lore is already established.
I think the Gods can create an image of themselves in their head. Kratos anguish, anger and agony got the better in his mind. He was tired so his body formed into that of a man that was tired
Okay, one Ambrosia and Nector DO confer immortality, power, AND immunity to age in both mythology and the games. Two, it is confirmed that in the games that the Greek Gods physical appearance is largely affected by their own mental state and self perception. Its why Zeus took the form of a stately old man when he assumed the role of the Greek all father but his OLDER brothers Hades and Poseidon both looked younger than him. Hell, Hades even looked like a monster in this franchise because in this series that was how he both viewed himself and was in turned viewed by the world. He was the monster that would eat your soul if you misbehaved and was in charge of making sure the dead stayed dead. There is a reason why out of all the Greek god only Zeus and Hera had an older appearance, and it wasn't their actual age or power. It was their mental state. The same can be applied to Kratos. We can already see the tole the mental stress of fighting his nature has taking on him in other ways, with Kratos feeling physical exhaustion and pain in ways he hasn't before and even needing to take naps now. His appearing to age is just another toll this fight is taking on him. Kratos constantly FEELS worn down, broken, tired, old from the stress of his internal struggle. To the point it even shows itself externally.
They get older, they’re still immortal, the Greek gods get FAR stronger the older they are as well, and Kratos has the physical power of every god he’s ever killed combined + his.
@@bigboss9337 no, he said that the elemental magic he had was gone. He also didn’t lose hades and Thanatos soul, stated in 2018 by Corey balrog. It means nothing that he lost some of his powers when Greece fell, as their power was permanently absorbed when they died, it wouldn’t go away randomly after that. It’s his power now. If he lost the power when they died, kind of defeats the point at all. What happened is he DID lose the ability to magically absorb any MORE, he still kept all the power he had.
I believe his godly like powers are gone but i did read somewhere where kratos still has his brute strength and he can get as powerful as he want. U can see it when u uses spartan rage to over power modi’s lightning from 2018 and how he gradually was able to lift tyr’s temple. Sure kratos may dont have his god powers anymore but his brute strength is clearly still there and he can tap into it whenever he feels the need to.
I don't think he ages in a deteriorating way. This is more meant as a way of showing how tired he feels, more so emotionally and mentally than physically; he's tired of living He knows the prophecy that foretells his demise, but all he seems to worry about when tackling the problem is that Atreus is safe and ready to move on without him; he's not concerned about his own life, because he thinks there's not much else to live for. Near the end of the game, he has a dream where Faye tells him there is still much to enjoy out of life, and so, when Atreus tells him to finish the story he was telling the night prior about the man who carries logs for his people and wishes for Death to take him, he seemingly changes the story to how he feels now: the man wishes to move on; the man wishes to live, just like Kratos.
I think basically the same thing. Kratos’ appearance is derived from his own opinion on himself largely. It might just be me in fact I bet it is. But when he lost control for that moment and hit Thor full on and when he decided to go to war I thought he looked younger. I think it’s partly due to how he sees himself and partly how he is rejecting his very being as the god of war by seeking a peaceful life.
Kratos only ages when he is at peace , he loses power slowly until he is almost just a man. A powerful man, but not to much more then that. It tool work, need, and time for him to bring it back out. His son being in danger and keeping his word to his love drove him to unlock what he had repressed so far away from
The developers hinted at the source of divinity or God hood. Odin chastised Kratos for not understanding what it meant to be a God even though technically Kratos was the full-fledged and worshipped God of War for a time. That said I think the origin and concept of divinity will be explored or expanded upon in the next game. Egyptian seems like a really solid pantheon to explore that concept. Edit: I'm guessing that beyond Canon fodder Odin saved a group of Midgardians who still worshipped the Aesir because it would help sustain their immortality. That still doesn't explain Kratos except for the fact that as he does things for others perhaps some sort of bond is created that isn't strictly worship based that still sustains his immortality. To me it makes more sense that there are elements of God hood in this universe that have yet to be revealed. Mimir warning Kratos to never go that place with clouds in Helheim was certainly interesting. I honestly still wonder if Zues was simply in Kratos' head or if he was able to like...shift his soul into Helheim to bug Kratos. Wouldn't it be insane if the whole reason Kratos is still immortal is because on the brink of defeat Zues somehow shift his essence into Kratos. A place where he could hide, inside Kratos as God essence rebuilding his strength like a parasite??
they stated in the new game that when olympian gods fell the lands and people and magic that was tied to it also went with i think thats why kratos is growing old now
no he still has his traditional god of war powers, since the concept of war and apocalypse still exists in the universe, it’s just that his other super overpowered amplifications of magic died when the greek universe died like lightning and necromancy, since he killed the god of the heavens and killed the god of storms he can’t generate lightning, he can’t generate crazy op powers except his own firey powers that he had and the amplifications of it he obtained
That and Kratos isn’t interested in cultivating his own powers as a god beyond his strength. When he lost his Greek powers it was all the powers that were just granted to him by others. He said something in the new game about how his strength is more physically strength is more derived from his will than his muscles actually being that strong and physically able to lift buildings
That’s why I always questioned his son’s journey to save him. Did he tell him about his curse in depth? Does he know that Kratos is immortal? I know people have all commented that Kratos is weak, but fail to realize that he does get stronger the older he gets. Plus his Spartan rage allows him to overcome anything kinda through brute strength. That’s why Thor taunted him so he could see the rage as blood payment. I think in the end of things Kratos will become ultimately wise and avoid conflict because he’ll be too powerful and destructive with it. We see his character development now and whereas his old self lavished in fighting, he is seen reducing his rage and thinking more towards avoiding the fight, but only doing so if provoked or there is no other way.
@@JudojugsVtuber but he's basically immortal tho. Cus his curse won't allow him to die. In GOW1 he got killed in the temple by Ares and he escaped. same thing happened in GOW2 after Zeus killed him, he just fell into the underworld and broke free from death again. So yeah he can be killed but he won't die so that counts as immortality except it is his curse cus every other greek gods can be killed permanently.
@@zedrafik This is ignoring LOADS of context around each of his deaths. All greek gods are immortal in the sense they wont die of old age. The curse didn't exist until he tried to kill himself at the end of GOW3. Athena cursed him at the end of the game which was explained to us when GOW 2018 came out. He escaped the underworld yes but there's loads of shit he did to do so. It wasn't just "lol i cant actually die cause im immortal so im leaving the underworld cya hades"
@@DnDSolarDragon he was just being a wiseguy, poking fun at his dad. And it's a bit of a meta-joke. I still felt like I had to coordinate the jumps sometimes.
What if it's stress? Sun damage and stress compounded over hundreds of years, even if you don't age, damages your DNA and will make you look older. Of course we don't know that his DNA can't just... regenerate, but my own personal guess is that since he's come back from the dead, the wear and tear on his body 'resets' every time he comes back.
@@Adamadam-us3jv yea but wouldn’t dat mean that he would just be affected by the hope in the norse lands instead of greece ? Two different lands with two different Gods, it would make sense that he’s still affected by the hope of norse lands as well. He lives there and he was cursed to stay alive
Yeah fr i dont think thor killed kratos at all. I mean u can hear thors voice after he “kills” kratos yes i know this might he a dumb point to make becuz u can say that was for the fun of it but in my opinion he just got knocked out
I think the answer is far more simple than his curse. When Kratos was asked why he no longer had the powers, abilities and items he had in Greece by Mimir Kratos responded that he did not know. Mimir followed this up by saying that when a land dies so too does its magic. With that line I don't believe that it is the curse that keeps him alive anymore, as it more than likely lost its magic (indicated by Mimir's line and the fading ash on his body), but because he is a demigod by birth I imagine that he is aging slower than a normal human being and faster than other gods.
I don't think so. If that were the case, the curse regarding the blades of chaos would be no more as well. In the game, Kratos tells Atreus and Mimir that he tried to get rid of the blades but they kept coming back.
@@villa_art As far as I know, the last time he had tried to get rid of them was before he came to the Norselands. Judging from the conversation he had with Mimir he wasn't aware of his fading magic at all and just never tried to get rid of them again once he arrived to Midgard.
Well before I watch… immortality just means never dying of age. Doesn’t mean never aging which is entirely different. Same how people misinterpret immortality as ado being invincibility which they are not the same.
Oooh,yikes. 😬 Yeah I remember reading that Sun Wukong has something like at least FIVE layers of immortality. He ate MULTIPLE Peaches Of Immortality fruits that extends ones life by quite a large margin and makes one immortal as well. Then he in a drunken stupor after drinking the Heavenly Wine that can make one immortal,ate "a gourd full" of some sort of special pills (Pills Of Longevity). Before then being cast into some sort of furnace as punishment for what he had done for 49 days when all other methods of execution failed. And instead of distilling him into some sort of medicine as was originally intended,the furnace burned away the "mortal impurities" that were in his body and just cemented his immorality even more. The God's then called upon Buddha himself to deal with Sun Wukong and he was sealed under a mountain as he was unable to be killed as punishment. Then he ate a Ginseng fruit during the "Journey To The West" that apparently increases your lifespan by 47,000 years by eating it. He also apparently was caught and then fought his way out of The World Of Darkness and to the Ten Kings before he was sealed under the mountain,before marking through his name in the Register Of Life And Death and making himself untouchable by the collectors of the dead. He then demanded the Book Of Mortals and removed his name from it,making him basically untouchable by both the Ten Kings and death. He also ate the Buddhist equivalent to all those foods,drinks and medicines he consumed in Heaven after reaching Buddha's Temple,making him even more immortal. And that is not even mentioning the fact that before all of that the master he trained under apparently taught him the secret to immorality/the immorality technique and that was apparently what originally made him immortal. So yeah,the guy is seriously about as hard to kill as they come. I'd have liked to seen both him and that jerk off Baldur go at it when he was still supposedly invulnerable. That really would have been a truly epic fight. Baldur getting owned by the Monkey King by being blasted into and possibly through a friggin' mountain by his staff and getting laughed at by Sun Wukong would have been absolutely hilarious. 😁
I’ve always viewed it as gods like Odin and Kratos look old because they personally feel like old men psychologically and it’s more of a cosmetic look and physically they are more capable then ever
He's Just getting Old at form but as time passes by his Power get stronger and stronger. ps. He may grow Older quickly than other Gods because he's not Pure God.
@@abdbay he is a pure god, demigods are only gods without concept over reality, which kratos has therefore making him pure blooded, people make the argument that he lost his godhood when he fought zeus in gow 2 but that’s not true because it only drained him of his powers, he still remained the god of war conceptually and held that over reality, he just was drained of the power amplifications he even obtained from other gods, the titans are gods as well and they re-amplified him with power and more godhood, this was indicated in gow 3 when even gaia stated that the blood of cronus was serving him well with the fight with the gods this was after his amplification from cronus himself, and we know that greek deities blood or insides contain crazy amounts of magic and their magic is imbued in their blood within themselves, and after gaia even stated that kratos newly improved combat and strength was bc of cronus’s blood after cronus gave kratos the rest of the power within himself would explain perfectly how kratos is a pure god
@@abdbay either way, as long as a deity holds a concept over reality they are a full pure god, demigods are gods without a concept, since they are born through a mortal and not another god they don’t have the extra magical or dna requirements to fully create their concept within themselves, it remains half done, just missing a concept, still have the strength and fractional powers of their full potential
@@abdbay this is why with the help of another pure god, they can reach their full potential and finally gain power over a concept, making them a 100% pure god
@@abdbay kratos was already destined and born to be the future god of war and apocalypse, he just needed to unlock his true potential, which at the time his magical requirements was being guarded by ares, which is why he was destined to kill ares and usurp his rightful concept of war and he’d become a concept of apocalypse in a physical form
Well it confirmed that Kratos after sometime he tried to sacrifice himself in the events of 3 and he met one of the gods of Egypt in the comic. He is supposed to be around 1000 years old, but appears to be 50 years old by the time of Ragnarok. This is why in the dream with Faye he appears to be old when he met her, that is because he been wondering around between the events of 3's conclusion and GOW4's beginning until he met Faye
can the curse be gifted by birth? I mean,also athreus can Regerate himself from injuries and in the game it shows like his father teached him this technic, and since Athreus didn't ate or drink any strange Olympic drink,can it be thanks to his father immortality?
My personal running belief is that kratos' body reflects his mental state, The rage, hatred, and vengeance was still young and fresh in his heart, and those emotions sustained his existence, but now he's a father, Faye helped him move on from his past, atreus helped him accept his past, now that rage is fading and with it his immortality. That or in ragnarok you can optionally save two jellyfish who give up their own lives to make their children, which may have been a hint that kratos gave up a substantial part of his power (wittingly or otherwise) to Atreus when he was born.
It’s easily explained if thought about kratos was born mortal he may have been born of a god but his mother who produced him was mortal so even though he gained godly immortality he does age as his mortal body attempts to catch up with the extra time immortality gave him plus all kratos powers were obtained while mortal so even though he regenerates his body just like all other gods of all pantheons ages with time only Egyptian and Japanese gods have eternal youth all other pantheons do record gods looks changing over time so curse or not kratos will age even though he cannot be killed completely
yea but don’t get it confused, he is a pure god, he has a concept over reality within himself (war & apocalypse) a demigod is only a god without concept, pure gods are naturally born with a concept within them to unlock as they get older, but if you are born through a mortal the mortal DNA will interfere with your future concept and prevent you from having one, you’d still be a god, just lacking the small pieces it requires to usurp a concept within you, unless your parent who’s a god actually unlocks the concept and embeds a concept within you, being born through a mortal as a god doesn’t matter unless your neglected, then over time you get sick and your concept never forms, but if your embedded with a concept early in your life even if your born through a mortal, it wouldn’t matter as even if you were born with a mother who was also a god, but kratos became embedded with a concept late in his life, when he reached his 20s instead of becoming embedded as a late teenager like a lot of other gods, this in ideal would make him still weaker than a lot of other gods since he hasn’t had the time to fully master his powers over his concept, which is why he needed a lot of extra powers since he hasn’t fully mastered his own
in the recent god of war installments, kratos now has mastered his concept which is why when he’s enraged, a omega sign shoots out of his upper body, the omega sign means war and apocalypse
@@callofdutyvulture9116 remember that all those powers were given to him (except the 1 time he became fate but that wasn’t permanent) the gods that gave him that power died so he lost power he only has power now because of the piece of hope that remained inside him Cory barlog himself said that he is still only a god through power obtained after being born so he wasn’t born a god with a power/concept before ares the games made it clear he was a mortal spartan general ares gave him power from there just google the other sources
@@TheHateUGive1198 no it was his, destined to be his, it was prophesized before he was even born that he was the future god of war, concepts aren’t stolen, if that’s the case then that means athena stole ares concept, there’s concepts of war that are different from others, ares is a god of war and rushing stupidly into battle and being a dumbass, he’s irrelevant, he’s War in the form of false planning, athena is a god of war in the form of wisdom, tactical fighting, planning, intelligence, peace after war, fighting for what’s right, and kratos is the god of war and the end times, the god of war and apocalypse, the inevitable war that destroys all things, kratos murders all the gods of war and becomes the only god of war he’s just the unstoppable force concept of war, the inevitable defeat and end of all things
He's not getting older. The 3d models have changed, graphical details have been improved. Also his large beard makes him looks like older comparing to his days in ancient Greece.
@@MohandZX Oh okay! Thank you so much! So basically what you're saying is the way that they artistically represent his immortality through his superhuman healing! That's why Magaboy brought up boulder I think! Thank you! That makes a lot of sense with what was said in the video.
In myth Ambrosia and Idun's Apples pretty much undo aging, just like how we imagine the fountain of youth functions, but I don't think they work the same in these games as in myth. These games take a lot of liberties from myth. I think the materials offer vitality exactly like how the life bar is portrayed. More apples or ambrosia, means more blood to spare, and that Ichor was completely ignored for aesthetic purposes. It would be a little weird seeing Kratos drenched in gold instead of red. I also believe that God's bodies reflect how they perceive themselves. This would explain why Zeus (the YOUNGEST of his siblings) looks much older than his brothers.
I can't wait to see God of War Shinto version..imagine him wielding an odachi, nagamaki, naginata, yari, totsuka no tachi, kusanagi..and the shinto gods would look like, as well as fighting tsukiyomi, amaterasu, susanoo, orochimaru..freakin' insane
One thing about the worshipper part does that mean the ending of Ragnarok where kratos saw a picture of people worshipping him means he is double immortal ?
Imagine the GOW series continues and Kratos just becomes OP as fuck as he gets older since with age he becomes more powerful. Like imagine he crushes an enemy by picking up a mountain or something
The way I understand aging in GOW is it is based on each person's godhood. Kratos and Odin look around the same age but Odin is way older (over 5000 years old). Also, Heimdall is over 1000 years old and way older than Kratos but still looks like a young man.
Demi-gods age. Heracles didn't stay a baby all his life. The first 6 God of war games happened in a pretty short space of time. Plus can assume when he was temporarily God of War his aging froze until the Sword of Olympus & Zeus made him mortal again.
No one going to mention how it doesn’t matter how old he is or gets, he still keeps his body in pristine condition no matter his age. I want his workout routine
One slight pause we see that the Norse Gods do age as we can see from the varying appearance and placement of Odins family. Him looking the oldest his song looking way younger and thors daughter who looks like a kid
(4:50) I don't think just because Kratos got knocked out doesn't mean he was dead doesn't necessarily mean he was dead. Thor could've just shocked his ass awake.
These cultures and modern Western pop culture with their definitions of godly immortality differs so greatly from what we have in Africa. In our religions, Gods doesn't age for as they are primordial beings umbound to the constraints of time, space and the cycle of life and d3ath. Even the ones who did actually holds dominion within the elements, aspects and realms of the cosmos. They can guise themselves as whatever they want: young, old, animal, human, spirit being, an element, et cetera: but in their fair forms, they appears young, ageless and eternally old at once. Heck, it is said that even the early generations or hybrid half-human offspring descendants stopped aging once they grew into adulthood and could live forever, barring strange accidents and getting deleted by another fellow demigod or deity: instead, they simply grew world-weary with age. Whom to the early mortal descendants of these latters? Sometimes they grew physically old and withered. Sometimes they figured out how to cheat the outcomes of ageing, nay of ageing alone until their time comes. And sometimes they found a way to ascend into immortality-- but in either case, they lived and deleted. Only after living a couple centuries, let alone of thousands of years.
The only way I can see Kratos having a "true death" is by having his soul whispered away by Atreus or Angrboda, however we can't even say for sure Kratos still even has a soul. For all we know, he may be nothing but a soulless corpse forced to continue moving no matter what happens.
I find quite fascinating the fact that we explain greek mythology based on a game and not basendon the actual greek mythology cuase the one who beat the olympian gods was Ares and he did it not kill them he actually bannished them from never coming in any contact with humans again. he did not kill them because they can not die, their immortality is absolute. But then you have to create a game so yes they died by another "God of War" .
One slight correction: Kratos can die but not by his own hands/attempts. Ares and Zeus killed Kratos and only came back to life by another being. When Kratos tried to kill himself once, he couldn't die as the gods cursed him to where Kratos couldn't die by his own hands i.e. Suicide.
Okay this is actually common sense of time Era. Kratos being from Ancient Greece which is BCE (Before Current Era) arriving in the Norse lands when the Berserkers, Vikings that was 900AD. The 9th Century AD. That would make him what...over a thousand or right at.
i guess it is not a question of immortality but that of eternal youth, immortality can mean immune to death by natural causes. There was this dude from greek mythology called tithonius who had eternal life but not eternal youth so his body aged and withered away until his consciousness was left. Another case could be LOTR where they were similar to regular people that lived longer but still aged, like Argaorn who lived up to 200+ years... as for kratos Idk man lore i guess?
Why are you monologuing about nectar and ambrosia. Kratos is a demigod that ascended to full godhood. The game interprets his powers as weakening as they are tied to the land in Norse universe but you get progressively stronger with allies/the more you cleanse it.
Actually, in greek mitology the gods and other beings are immortal because when they born the concept of time didn't exist yet. Time e and the consumption of all things to time only became a thing when Cronos push Uranus alway from Gaia and Begin his reing, creating space too. Humans and animals are mortal because they born in that space where time started to be a thing. Now, obviously that is not the case in the Gow series, and I like your explanation very much haha
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When will he reaches full godhood
It was confirmed by one of the devs that the gods get stronger the older they get and it applies to kratos. It explains why Zeus was extremely powerful in the Greek games
Tbf it's kinda weird for Zeus since he was the youngest of his siblings yet the strongest
@@Novamoon97 Zeus was the only one free. His other siblings had all been consumed by Kronos. As a result, Zeus was able to grow naturally and what not, compared to his siblings who were trapped inside Kronos stomach.
@@OscarASevilla they weren't dead tho just stuck if that stopped the from aging then hed be called the oldest but he isn't. Hell they all look around the same age yet he was a grown man when he freed them
@@Novamoon97 yea, the Gods inside Kronos couldn't develop as well, due to being in his stomach. They still aged. Zeus also had actual outside time to hone his skills and all too.
@@OscarASevilla makes sense
kratos’s immortality is very similar to baldurs, except he’s not immune to all threats, but his durability can literally take them blank on, and if u get so as lucky to kill him, he’d come back 2 hours later, his curse stops him from finding true death, meaning he’d always find a way out, even if you imprison him in the underworld in a place of death, he’d just find a way to break the chains and walk free, this explains why when kratos dies, he doesn’t release the power from his concept out of his body, like the other powerful greek gods, if u kill them, all the powers they obtained and power of their concept explodes from their body, but when kratos dies, this doesn’t happen and this is because his curse, that he can never find true death, so his concept never leave his body when he dies, because according to his concept which for kratos is (War and Apocalypse) he hasn’t actually died
Yes, I see where you’re coming from. This makes me wonder if there’s something out there that could break Kratos’ curse?
@@abdbay i think their is a way, he just hasn’t ran into a god that knows of his curse but i’m sure there’s gods who can break his curse, they just haven’t killed him to see for themselves that he’s actually cursed
@@abdbayand i’ve updated my message on why i think kratos’s concept of power never explodes from his body after death
@@abdbayi feel like the reason for his curse is deeper than said ingame, the purpose of his curse is to signify the inevitable apocalypse, the concept of no matter how hard you try or what you do, you can’t stop the apocalypse, kratos is a god of war and apocalypse, the omega concept of his power means War and Apocalypse, he could never die, he escaped outside of death, outside of time and fate, and what else does this? the apocalypse
@@abdbay We will find out in the next set of game titles wherever he goes next, if he goes to the sands of the Egyptian gods like everyone says will happen then maybe they will know what is plaguing him because they are very in tune with death in their pantheon.
I dont think that the gods actually age
I think that the gods appearance is linked directly as how they see themselves even subconcious, like for example in the trilogy Kratos saw himself still as Soldier that has a war to fight while Zeus thought he was all-wise and in the GOW(2018) and Ragnarok Kratos see himself as a father, Thor thinks that he is nothing but a drunk that can fight and Odin even with all his power still see himself as frail old man because of all the things that he cant understand
And Astreus almost died from illnes because he belived he was mortal
Honestly that’s a good point
This entire comment section is people inventing lore and weaving together their own head-canon lmao. Gods don't age, they *consciously* change their appearance to whatever they desire. Zeus *deliberately* chose the appearance of an elderly man to signify his preeminence over the other gods, as well as his own perceived wisdom.
Kratos ages because *HE IS NOT IMMORTAL, OR A GOD* lmao. He is a demi-god who was granted full immortality and godhood for a short while before having it taken away from him again. All of his godly power was in the blade, and he chose to release that power into the world in GOW3. Kratos ages because *HE'S OLD* it's as simple as that.
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no Chill man, let people have fun and since what you said wasn't actively confirmed yours theory is canon as much as the others.
Also you come to say to me that Kratos defeated Baldur in the beggining without any godly power, really?
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no Literally Cory Balrog has confirmed that he is a God and he is stronger than his greek version. He also confirmed that he is inmortal. I mean, if the DIRECTOR Of the Game says it is because it's canon
even zeus got older even though he's immortal
That’s what I’m saying!!
Yet he still died
But zeus had white hair from birth
@@RandomuserYT gods are functionally immortal but they can be killed
Zeus didn’t really age to an old man, zeus is the youngest of the gods, he just decided to take that form as it is shown he can shape shift thou, if that what u mean
Kratos has several different types of immortality
1. There’s the curse that prevents him killing himself
2. His eternal youth he just has from being a God/olympian
3. Then there’s his regeneration that allows him to heal from fatal wounds
Yeah fr I thought the curse was him not to be able to kill himself, bc the old games he dies and still goes to hades, he just escapes lol but every time he tried to take his own life the gods didn't let him
I think the curse no longer works because Greece was left in ruins and as explained in the game, magic is linked to the land it comes from and if Kratos lost his magical attacks makes sense to say that curses also stopped working when their world died
@@nosequeponeraqui2361 I don't think that's true because curses are unconditional unlike magic meaning they aren't bound by anything but the user and victim and that happens to be kratos also the director of gow 2018 said that kratos is stronger than his young self plus its kinda been hinted that kratos still has this immortality trough some lines in ragnarok like ''death can have me when it earns me''
EDIT:in the comics when kratos was traveling to the norse pantheon I think the wizard or whatever says to kratos that his destiny is too roam the earth forever and at that time the Greek pantheon was destroyed by kratos so yeah think of that what you will
Eternal youth? You didn't see him lately right.....he looks old
The thing about eternal youth for God’s, is that you continue to age until you reach your physical prime, then the aging process just stops completely
Immortal doesn't necessarily mean never aging or never dying, there are always parameters to consider when using the word immortal.
Yea most people assume immortal means cannot die from natural causes, however, a sword or maybe axe to the face very quickly changes that lmfao
That's exactly what it means
That's literally what immortal means. It means ageless. It doesn't mean invulnerable.
Yeah, just because you can't die doesn't mean you can't be killed in other words
The way I've always viewed it is that his curse ensures that even if he does die, he cannot and will not stay dead. Even if he wanted to, something will always bring him back. I mean, yeah he can die in game but it's a game mechanic, not a canonical death.
Side note: Unfortunately, we don't see him have a canon death in the Norse games so we have no idea if he would even go to their afterlife or somehow return to the Greecen underworld.
There's that time thor knocks you, then you see a death screen, but he revives you using mjolnir as a defibrilator.
@@cansifertharan6611 Yes, but he's not dead long enough to go to an underworld. He's immediately brought back.
Doesn't the curse say that he will be unable to die by his own hand?
@@cansifertharan6611 Thor shocking doesn’t mean I’m reviving you from death he could have just wanted to wake him up did the devs say it was a canon death?
If Kratos couldn’t be killed then the second act of god of war Ragnarok would have no meaning lol.
Why allow his son to worry about his prophesied death when he knew a curse would keep him alive. Kratos even comments on the prophecy and says “death will have me when it earns me” meaning he’s aware of the possibility, however he does not fear it. Kratos can be killed.
Can we all just agree that he didn't die when thor struck him clean in the face and he was just knocked out, I think he's just holding back because kratos was on the path he swore to never walk again henced what he experienced kind of a breakdown when he killed Heimdall.
No he died. He took a hammer straight to the head from Thor. He's died a bunch before, so it's not like it's never happened
@@bluecricket6157 Yeah I think we all got that.
@@joshuapayawal3324 well, based on what you said, I don't think you did 😂
@@bluecricket6157 It's more figurative than literal. Hahaha😂
I think death himself is just plain sick of him by now.. he's like "nahh I can't be bothered.."
Even Odin & Zeus got older Kratos is at least 1000 years old by the time of the Norse series he is older than Freya maybe even Tyr but not as old as Odin
Kratos is around 240 to 300 years old by the time of God of war 2018
@@chromtastic2092 more like 800
@@martrellpeterson9564 The potential difference in Kratos's possible ages is enormous. If you take only in-game events as canon, he's about 200 and some change. If you go by actual historical timeframe, he's easily over 1000. The problem being that these timeframes don't line up as the Greek Mythology setting appears to take place in tandem with the Norse Mythology, since Tyr went and visited a bunch of other realities at the same time.
@@vsGoliath96 the norse & greek pantheon actually are coincided with one another how else could thor have heard about the ghost of sparda story…in fact how could odin & baldur have heard it? in this world the greek & norse mythology are like traveling high north of the world and very low south of the world atleast thats how I made sense of it
Zeus shapeshifts, he doesn't actually age. Full immortals use physical age as a way of reflecting imminence in the pantheon, the king-gods always choose elderly appearances to reflect their position above others and perceived wisdom. Kratos genuinely just gets older; he is not a full immortal, olympian or god. It is not the same.
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These cultures and modern Western pop culture with their definitions of godly immortality differs so greatly from what we have in Africa.
In our religions, Gods doesn't age for as they are primordial beings umbound to the constraints of time, space and the cycle of life and d3ath. Even the ones who did actually holds dominion within the elements, aspects and realms of the cosmos. They can guise themselves as whatever they want: young, old, animal, human, spirit being, an element, et cetera: but in their fair forms, they appears young, ageless and eternally old at once.
Heck, it is said that even the early generations or hybrid half-human offspring descendants stopped aging once they grew into adulthood and could live forever, barring strange accidents and getting deleted by another fellow demigod or deity: instead, they simply grew world-weary with age. Whom to the early mortal descendants of these latters? Sometimes they grew physically old and withered. Sometimes they figured out how to cheat the outcomes of ageing, nay of ageing alone until their time comes. And sometimes they found a way to ascend into immortality-- but in either case, they lived and deleted. Only after living a couple centuries, let alone of thousands of years.
Death can have him, when it earns him. HE says it himself.
Also we have seen Kratos basically just kill death?
One thing i noticed after watching all the Greek saga games recently is that the people saying Kratos is weaker not only makes sense but is canonically truth.
Is explained at the end of GOW3 that when Kratos was using the power of hope all along not the evils (they attached to the Gods, hence why every time Kratos killed one the evils unleashed into the world). With the power of hope he was able to always get stronger than his opponents, he became stronger than Chronos when fighting him and faster than Hermes when chasing him. and in the end instead of giving to Athena he gives away to humanity. But for that he used the blade of Olympus, a weapon capable of remove godhood from it's victims (as showed in God of war 2) so in the norse saga he might be only stronger than his God of war 1 self.
He still has his uncontrollable power of rage (if he lets everything out like it happened during Thor's fight) but that's one power he's not willing to use.
They could use the idea that there's still a sliver of the power of hope in him but unless he's going to fight indu gods there's no reason for him to get stronger.
Funny fact, Thor's hammer's have the ability to raise Goats back from the dead.
Oddly enough GOAT also means Greatest of All Time.
I personally believe his curse is still active even after Greece being destroyed because if you read the God of War comics (if cannon ) they show what happens to kratos after he stabbed himself. He wondered the desert (most likely how he ended up in Norse) trying to get rid of the blades yet they kept returning. And even if they comics aren’t canon the fact he still has the blades shows that the curse that ties the blades to him his still active in the game because I’m almost certain he wouldn’t have chosen to take them as much as he hates them. So if they curse that ties him to the blades are still active that means that somehow his curse of never truly dying can be active as well. A theory I have is that maybe some type of untraditional magic was used to create his curse maybe not a type of magic that was “natural” or came from the lands themselves meaning Greece being destroyed may not have affected the curse. There’s plenty of shows, movies, and games where people mess with unnatural or unorthodox type of magic (usually some type of dark magic) that doesn’t use the same rules as the more natural or typical magic so maybe that type of magic was used for his curse and same with the blades which is why both are possibly still active.
Another theory I have is that magic works differently in Greece compared to Norse. We’ve already seen many similarities with slight differences. So when Freya says that “magic is tied to the lands” if her knowledge of magic only spans to Norse magic maybe the magic in Greece doesn’t work the same. And the reason the kratos can’t call on any of his old magic is because most of his powers he obtained came from other gods or things tied to or created by other gods. So maybe Greece magic isn’t necessarily tied to the lands but tied to the god that used that magic. Meaning when he killed all the gods that were tied to his power he lost that power. We’ve seen when Greek gods die their power is released from their body and pretty much destroyed and it affects the lands. For example when kratos killed Apollo (the god of the sun) the sky went dark and the sun basically disappeared. So I think in Greece magic and the natural order of things comes from the gods that control that specific factor of nature. Meaning kratos lost the power he had from the gods. But the curse not necessarily being tied to a deity can still be in affect even after that deity or magic user dies. So Freya’s statement could possibly only be true for Norse magic not Greek magic also. Which means his powers from other gods are gone because they are gone but the magic that’s not specifically tied to anyone or just a magic spell could still be in affect after Greece being destroyed making his curses still active So just the magic he obtained from deities specifically that gave him power or power he took from them is the only thing that was destroyed with Greece
I think the comic is Canon. In the game, when you're exploring, he tells Atreus and Mimir that he tried to get rid of his blades but they kept coming back.
@@villa_art I believe they are too I think one of the GOW writers was involved with it. But if so then that pretty much proves that some magic at least curses are still active even after Greece was destroyed. Which means kratos’s curse is still very much there. So if all this is right be pretty much can’t truly die until someone figures it out and reverses it.
And the game he mentions he tried to get rid of the blades but they kept returning
He just ages really slow, along with his regenerative abilities it takes longer for him to age. Cos it’s been said he spent around 100+ years in Midgard, but it looks like he only aged by 10 or 15 years.
Actually he's in the 1,000's. Him and Odin are close in age. After a certain point I think Kratos stopped aging completely. Similar to how Zues stopped aging after he developed bags and wrinkles.
@@HimHim77 Zeus never aged, he chose to shapeshift to reflect his preeminence. Poseidon is older than Zeus but looks like a surfer lol, Olympians look however they want. Kratos ages because he is genuinely mortal, however slow the process will be due to the divine blood within him.
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no the devs have confirmed Kratos isn't a mortal or demi he's a full blown god and age does not affect him. Based on GoW comics/lore and legends Kratos was wondering for 1,000's of years before coming to Midgard during that time he still looked like GoW3 Kratos.
Think about what you are saying about Zues it can be applied to Kratos.
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no I just look at GoW 3 Poseidon he don't have gray hair but still have bags, deep smile line and wrinkles around eyes. Things that are associated with aging. It'll make sense to say externally they age to a degree but internally they have the youth of a teenager.
@@HimHim77 If by "devs" you mean Barlog then idrc, his statements go against lore anyway; he mostly just promotes Old Kratos to sell his games lol. Kratos was objectively born a demigod; the only time he was granted full immortality is when he became an Olympian God after killing Ares. After dispelling his power into the blade of Olympus, he lost his status as an Olympian God, and all of the powers that come with it (including full immortality). He later DISPELLED the power in the blade unto the rest of the world.
Kratos *IS NOT* an Olympian, an Immortal or a God. He ages because he *IS MORTAL* lol. Idc if Barlog says his d!ck is green to feed the fantasies of rabid fans, lore is already established.
Time makes kratos stronger than ever
Pretty much. And the same goes for all gods.
The beard makes him look older as well. Some modders removed it and he looks a bit younger.
If they remove the wrinkles to
I think the Gods can create an image of themselves in their head. Kratos anguish, anger and agony got the better in his mind. He was tired so his body formed into that of a man that was tired
Okay, one Ambrosia and Nector DO confer immortality, power, AND immunity to age in both mythology and the games. Two, it is confirmed that in the games that the Greek Gods physical appearance is largely affected by their own mental state and self perception. Its why Zeus took the form of a stately old man when he assumed the role of the Greek all father but his OLDER brothers Hades and Poseidon both looked younger than him. Hell, Hades even looked like a monster in this franchise because in this series that was how he both viewed himself and was in turned viewed by the world. He was the monster that would eat your soul if you misbehaved and was in charge of making sure the dead stayed dead. There is a reason why out of all the Greek god only Zeus and Hera had an older appearance, and it wasn't their actual age or power. It was their mental state. The same can be applied to Kratos. We can already see the tole the mental stress of fighting his nature has taking on him in other ways, with Kratos feeling physical exhaustion and pain in ways he hasn't before and even needing to take naps now. His appearing to age is just another toll this fight is taking on him. Kratos constantly FEELS worn down, broken, tired, old from the stress of his internal struggle. To the point it even shows itself externally.
Yeah his pain and guilt is physical marker for him now. Honestly after Ragnarok, he might get into a better head space.
They get older, they’re still immortal, the Greek gods get FAR stronger the older they are as well, and Kratos has the physical power of every god he’s ever killed combined + his.
Well not really. Kratos explains that all the powers he got from killing other gods disappeared when Sparta was destroyed
@@bigboss9337 no, he said that the elemental magic he had was gone. He also didn’t lose hades and Thanatos soul, stated in 2018 by Corey balrog. It means nothing that he lost some of his powers when Greece fell, as their power was permanently absorbed when they died, it wouldn’t go away randomly after that. It’s his power now. If he lost the power when they died, kind of defeats the point at all. What happened is he DID lose the ability to magically absorb any MORE, he still kept all the power he had.
I believe his godly like powers are gone but i did read somewhere where kratos still has his brute strength and he can get as powerful as he want. U can see it when u uses spartan rage to over power modi’s lightning from 2018 and how he gradually was able to lift tyr’s temple. Sure kratos may dont have his god powers anymore but his brute strength is clearly still there and he can tap into it whenever he feels the need to.
I don't think he ages in a deteriorating way. This is more meant as a way of showing how tired he feels, more so emotionally and mentally than physically; he's tired of living
He knows the prophecy that foretells his demise, but all he seems to worry about when tackling the problem is that Atreus is safe and ready to move on without him; he's not concerned about his own life, because he thinks there's not much else to live for.
Near the end of the game, he has a dream where Faye tells him there is still much to enjoy out of life, and so, when Atreus tells him to finish the story he was telling the night prior about the man who carries logs for his people and wishes for Death to take him, he seemingly changes the story to how he feels now: the man wishes to move on; the man wishes to live, just like Kratos.
I think basically the same thing. Kratos’ appearance is derived from his own opinion on himself largely. It might just be me in fact I bet it is. But when he lost control for that moment and hit Thor full on and when he decided to go to war I thought he looked younger. I think it’s partly due to how he sees himself and partly how he is rejecting his very being as the god of war by seeking a peaceful life.
you are onto something
Kratos only ages when he is at peace , he loses power slowly until he is almost just a man. A powerful man, but not to much more then that. It tool work, need, and time for him to bring it back out. His son being in danger and keeping his word to his love drove him to unlock what he had repressed so far away from
The developers hinted at the source of divinity or God hood. Odin chastised Kratos for not understanding what it meant to be a God even though technically Kratos was the full-fledged and worshipped God of War for a time.
That said I think the origin and concept of divinity will be explored or expanded upon in the next game. Egyptian seems like a really solid pantheon to explore that concept.
Edit: I'm guessing that beyond Canon fodder Odin saved a group of Midgardians who still worshipped the Aesir because it would help sustain their immortality.
That still doesn't explain Kratos except for the fact that as he does things for others perhaps some sort of bond is created that isn't strictly worship based that still sustains his immortality. To me it makes more sense that there are elements of God hood in this universe that have yet to be revealed.
Mimir warning Kratos to never go that place with clouds in Helheim was certainly interesting. I honestly still wonder if Zues was simply in Kratos' head or if he was able to like...shift his soul into Helheim to bug Kratos.
Wouldn't it be insane if the whole reason Kratos is still immortal is because on the brink of defeat Zues somehow shift his essence into Kratos. A place where he could hide, inside Kratos as God essence rebuilding his strength like a parasite??
they stated in the new game that when olympian gods fell the lands and people and magic that was tied to it also went with i think thats why kratos is growing old now
no he still has his traditional god of war powers, since the concept of war and apocalypse still exists in the universe, it’s just that his other super overpowered amplifications of magic died when the greek universe died like lightning and necromancy, since he killed the god of the heavens and killed the god of storms he can’t generate lightning, he can’t generate crazy op powers except his own firey powers that he had and the amplifications of it he obtained
@@callofdutyvulture9116 Also the items he carried while fighting Zeus was also destroyed, those had magical properties too I would assume.
@@DwainiumB yes, those also are dead weapons
That and Kratos isn’t interested in cultivating his own powers as a god beyond his strength. When he lost his Greek powers it was all the powers that were just granted to him by others. He said something in the new game about how his strength is more physically strength is more derived from his will than his muscles actually being that strong and physically able to lift buildings
That’s why I always questioned his son’s journey to save him. Did he tell him about his curse in depth? Does he know that Kratos is immortal?
I know people have all commented that Kratos is weak, but fail to realize that he does get stronger the older he gets. Plus his Spartan rage allows him to overcome anything kinda through brute strength. That’s why Thor taunted him so he could see the rage as blood payment.
I think in the end of things Kratos will become ultimately wise and avoid conflict because he’ll be too powerful and destructive with it. We see his character development now and whereas his old self lavished in fighting, he is seen reducing his rage and thinking more towards avoiding the fight, but only doing so if provoked or there is no other way.
why do people keep saying this about his immortality? He CAN be killed he just can't kill HIMSELF. He can't willingly die. He can still be killed.
@@JudojugsVtuber but he's basically immortal tho. Cus his curse won't allow him to die. In GOW1 he got killed in the temple by Ares and he escaped. same thing happened in GOW2 after Zeus killed him, he just fell into the underworld and broke free from death again. So yeah he can be killed but he won't die so that counts as immortality except it is his curse cus every other greek gods can be killed permanently.
@@zedrafik This is ignoring LOADS of context around each of his deaths. All greek gods are immortal in the sense they wont die of old age. The curse didn't exist until he tried to kill himself at the end of GOW3. Athena cursed him at the end of the game which was explained to us when GOW 2018 came out. He escaped the underworld yes but there's loads of shit he did to do so. It wasn't just "lol i cant actually die cause im immortal so im leaving the underworld cya hades"
Of course age affects him, his knees are so bad he can't double jump anymore!
Atreus even mentions this in the game when kratos asked him to lower something for him.
@@DnDSolarDragon he was just being a wiseguy, poking fun at his dad. And it's a bit of a meta-joke. I still felt like I had to coordinate the jumps sometimes.
I think we need to prepare ourselves if our man Kratos will be gone forever
It would be Sony biggest mistake if they kill em off
I think the option 2 is more likely, he got gamers still thinking & 'worshipped' him. He will live forever in the hearts & mind of gamers everywhere.
Your intro with black swan in it is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
What if it's stress? Sun damage and stress compounded over hundreds of years, even if you don't age, damages your DNA and will make you look older. Of course we don't know that his DNA can't just... regenerate, but my own personal guess is that since he's come back from the dead, the wear and tear on his body 'resets' every time he comes back.
You forgot to add in that as long as hope exists in the world he’s at. He’ll be alive and won’t be able to die. As he’s literally the carrier of hope.
he lost hope when he stabbed himself with the blade of olympus and gave it to madkind to use
@@Adamadam-us3jv yea but wouldn’t dat mean that he would just be affected by the hope in the norse lands instead of greece ? Two different lands with two different Gods, it would make sense that he’s still affected by the hope of norse lands as well. He lives there and he was cursed to stay alive
Basically he can't kill himself only by trying alittle bit/holding back a lot could let it kill
Don't think Thor killed him at all but just knocked him out he's been hit harder than that.
Yeah fr i dont think thor killed kratos at all. I mean u can hear thors voice after he “kills” kratos yes i know this might he a dumb point to make becuz u can say that was for the fun of it but in my opinion he just got knocked out
The curse….. that persephone cast on him ages ago?
I was gonna say, I don’t know if they relied on the ambrosia thing for their immortality. I’m pretty sure their just immortal.
I think the answer is far more simple than his curse.
When Kratos was asked why he no longer had the powers, abilities and items he had in Greece by Mimir Kratos responded that he did not know. Mimir followed this up by saying that when a land dies so too does its magic. With that line I don't believe that it is the curse that keeps him alive anymore, as it more than likely lost its magic (indicated by Mimir's line and the fading ash on his body), but because he is a demigod by birth I imagine that he is aging slower than a normal human being and faster than other gods.
I don't think so. If that were the case, the curse regarding the blades of chaos would be no more as well. In the game, Kratos tells Atreus and Mimir that he tried to get rid of the blades but they kept coming back.
@@villa_art As far as I know, the last time he had tried to get rid of them was before he came to the Norselands.
Judging from the conversation he had with Mimir he wasn't aware of his fading magic at all and just never tried to get rid of them again once he arrived to Midgard.
@@jaeliel it was in the comics. He threw them in the ocean and they returned to him meaning the curse is still active
"I'd say the moment calls for calm , yeah"
Well before I watch… immortality just means never dying of age. Doesn’t mean never aging which is entirely different. Same how people misinterpret immortality as ado being invincibility which they are not the same.
Exactly, there’s a lot of grey lines.
I'm curious how they will handle immortality if they take the series to the east with the monkey king having multiple layers of immortality.
They will go to egypt before that
Oooh,yikes. 😬
Yeah I remember reading that Sun Wukong has something like at least FIVE layers of immortality. He ate MULTIPLE Peaches Of Immortality fruits that extends ones life by quite a large margin and makes one immortal as well.
Then he in a drunken stupor after drinking the Heavenly Wine that can make one immortal,ate "a gourd full" of some sort of special pills (Pills Of Longevity).
Before then being cast into some sort of furnace as punishment for what he had done for 49 days when all other methods of execution failed. And instead of distilling him into some sort of medicine as was originally intended,the furnace burned away the "mortal impurities" that were in his body and just cemented his immorality even more. The God's then called upon Buddha himself to deal with Sun Wukong and he was sealed under a mountain as he was unable to be killed as punishment.
Then he ate a Ginseng fruit during the "Journey To The West" that apparently increases your lifespan by 47,000 years by eating it. He also apparently was caught and then fought his way out of The World Of Darkness and to the Ten Kings before he was sealed under the mountain,before marking through his name in the Register Of Life And Death and making himself untouchable by the collectors of the dead. He then demanded the Book Of Mortals and removed his name from it,making him basically untouchable by both the Ten Kings and death. He also ate the Buddhist equivalent to all those foods,drinks and medicines he consumed in Heaven after reaching Buddha's Temple,making him even more immortal. And that is not even mentioning the fact that before all of that the master he trained under apparently taught him the secret to immorality/the immorality technique and that was apparently what originally made him immortal.
So yeah,the guy is seriously about as hard to kill as they come. I'd have liked to seen both him and that jerk off Baldur go at it when he was still supposedly invulnerable. That really would have been a truly epic fight. Baldur getting owned by the Monkey King by being blasted into and possibly through a friggin' mountain by his staff and getting laughed at by Sun Wukong would have been absolutely hilarious. 😁
You see when a man makes his path through life, he ages as time goes on
I’ve always viewed it as gods like Odin and Kratos look old because they personally feel like old men psychologically and it’s more of a cosmetic look and physically they are more capable then ever
All things come to an end. even Kratos the legend
He's Just getting Old at form but as time passes by his Power get stronger and stronger.
ps. He may grow Older quickly than other Gods because he's not Pure God.
Agreed. It is common that the older a god grows the stronger they become.
@@abdbay he is a pure god, demigods are only gods without concept over reality, which kratos has therefore making him pure blooded, people make the argument that he lost his godhood when he fought zeus in gow 2 but that’s not true because it only drained him of his powers, he still remained the god of war conceptually and held that over reality, he just was drained of the power amplifications he even obtained from other gods, the titans are gods as well and they re-amplified him with power and more godhood, this was indicated in gow 3 when even gaia stated that the blood of cronus was serving him well with the fight with the gods this was after his amplification from cronus himself, and we know that greek deities blood or insides contain crazy amounts of magic and their magic is imbued in their blood within themselves, and after gaia even stated that kratos newly improved combat and strength was bc of cronus’s blood after cronus gave kratos the rest of the power within himself would explain perfectly how kratos is a pure god
@@abdbay either way, as long as a deity holds a concept over reality they are a full pure god, demigods are gods without a concept, since they are born through a mortal and not another god they don’t have the extra magical or dna requirements to fully create their concept within themselves, it remains half done, just missing a concept, still have the strength and fractional powers of their full potential
@@abdbay this is why with the help of another pure god, they can reach their full potential and finally gain power over a concept, making them a 100% pure god
@@abdbay kratos was already destined and born to be the future god of war and apocalypse, he just needed to unlock his true potential, which at the time his magical requirements was being guarded by ares, which is why he was destined to kill ares and usurp his rightful concept of war and he’d become a concept of apocalypse in a physical form
Well it confirmed that Kratos after sometime he tried to sacrifice himself in the events of 3 and he met one of the gods of Egypt in the comic. He is supposed to be around 1000 years old, but appears to be 50 years old by the time of Ragnarok. This is why in the dream with Faye he appears to be old when he met her, that is because he been wondering around between the events of 3's conclusion and GOW4's beginning until he met Faye
I think the aging is basically a god reaching their prime as in fully matured
The more older you get. The more stronger he became.
Can you make a video on the Jörmungandr paradox
Maybe, I’ll look into it
can the curse be gifted by birth? I mean,also athreus can Regerate himself from injuries and in the game it shows like his father teached him this technic, and since Athreus didn't ate or drink any strange Olympic drink,can it be thanks to his father immortality?
My personal running belief is that kratos' body reflects his mental state, The rage, hatred, and vengeance was still young and fresh in his heart, and those emotions sustained his existence, but now he's a father, Faye helped him move on from his past, atreus helped him accept his past, now that rage is fading and with it his immortality.
That or in ragnarok you can optionally save two jellyfish who give up their own lives to make their children, which may have been a hint that kratos gave up a substantial part of his power (wittingly or otherwise) to Atreus when he was born.
Forsure good analysis
It’s easily explained if thought about kratos was born mortal he may have been born of a god but his mother who produced him was mortal so even though he gained godly immortality he does age as his mortal body attempts to catch up with the extra time immortality gave him plus all kratos powers were obtained while mortal so even though he regenerates his body just like all other gods of all pantheons ages with time only Egyptian and Japanese gods have eternal youth all other pantheons do record gods looks changing over time so curse or not kratos will age even though he cannot be killed completely
yea but don’t get it confused, he is a pure god, he has a concept over reality within himself (war & apocalypse) a demigod is only a god without concept, pure gods are naturally born with a concept within them to unlock as they get older, but if you are born through a mortal the mortal DNA will interfere with your future concept and prevent you from having one, you’d still be a god, just lacking the small pieces it requires to usurp a concept within you, unless your parent who’s a god actually unlocks the concept and embeds a concept within you, being born through a mortal as a god doesn’t matter unless your neglected, then over time you get sick and your concept never forms, but if your embedded with a concept early in your life even if your born through a mortal, it wouldn’t matter as even if you were born with a mother who was also a god, but kratos became embedded with a concept late in his life, when he reached his 20s instead of becoming embedded as a late teenager like a lot of other gods, this in ideal would make him still weaker than a lot of other gods since he hasn’t had the time to fully master his powers over his concept, which is why he needed a lot of extra powers since he hasn’t fully mastered his own
in the recent god of war installments, kratos now has mastered his concept which is why when he’s enraged, a omega sign shoots out of his upper body, the omega sign means war and apocalypse
@@callofdutyvulture9116 remember that all those powers were given to him (except the 1 time he became fate but that wasn’t permanent) the gods that gave him that power died so he lost power he only has power now because of the piece of hope that remained inside him Cory barlog himself said that he is still only a god through power obtained after being born so he wasn’t born a god with a power/concept before ares the games made it clear he was a mortal spartan general ares gave him power from there just google the other sources
@@callofdutyvulture9116 and his concept of war was stolen after he killed ares it was never his
@@TheHateUGive1198 no it was his, destined to be his, it was prophesized before he was even born that he was the future god of war, concepts aren’t stolen, if that’s the case then that means athena stole ares concept, there’s concepts of war that are different from others, ares is a god of war and rushing stupidly into battle and being a dumbass, he’s irrelevant, he’s War in the form of false planning, athena is a god of war in the form of wisdom, tactical fighting, planning, intelligence, peace after war, fighting for what’s right, and kratos is the god of war and the end times, the god of war and apocalypse, the inevitable war that destroys all things, kratos murders all the gods of war and becomes the only god of war he’s just the unstoppable force concept of war, the inevitable defeat and end of all things
He's not getting older. The 3d models have changed, graphical details have been improved. Also his large beard makes him looks like older comparing to his days in ancient Greece.
kratos is clearly older looking visually compared to the earlier games
He's got that Old Man Strength
You forgot the golden apples of immortality
Hera had a whole tree of the stuff gifted to her as a wedding gift by Zeus
I am so confused.
to put it simpler,
kratos CAN die but every time he dies, he will come back from his death because of his curse.
@@MohandZX so kind of like Baldur
How is this like Baldur?
@@abdbay i guess he means the first time fight where kratos broke his neck and came back after
@@MohandZX Oh okay! Thank you so much! So basically what you're saying is the way that they artistically represent his immortality through his superhuman healing! That's why Magaboy brought up boulder I think! Thank you! That makes a lot of sense with what was said in the video.
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So he can age but just doesn’t die, so does that mean he’ll be a wrinkly man in a chair? But like instead of being weak he’s just OP as fuck
In myth Ambrosia and Idun's Apples pretty much undo aging, just like how we imagine the fountain of youth functions, but I don't think they work the same in these games as in myth. These games take a lot of liberties from myth. I think the materials offer vitality exactly like how the life bar is portrayed. More apples or ambrosia, means more blood to spare, and that Ichor was completely ignored for aesthetic purposes. It would be a little weird seeing Kratos drenched in gold instead of red. I also believe that God's bodies reflect how they perceive themselves. This would explain why Zeus (the YOUNGEST of his siblings) looks much older than his brothers.
i think between gow 3 and gow 4 passed 700 -800 years
Tyr vault is very old and Kratos was on vase . Kratos is 1000 years old
I can't wait to see God of War Shinto version..imagine him wielding an odachi, nagamaki, naginata, yari, totsuka no tachi, kusanagi..and the shinto gods would look like, as well as fighting tsukiyomi, amaterasu, susanoo, orochimaru..freakin' insane
Kratos is one of the unknown Perpetuals from Warhammer 40k.
One thing about the worshipper part does that mean the ending of Ragnarok where kratos saw a picture of people worshipping him means he is double immortal ?
Imagine the GOW series continues and Kratos just becomes OP as fuck as he gets older since with age he becomes more powerful. Like imagine he crushes an enemy by picking up a mountain or something
great intro man
Kratos ages, but doesn't die of old age. That's his god linked immortality
He becomes physically stronger as he get older
What Kratos sees: *YOU ARE DEAD*
Also, **
The way I understand aging in GOW is it is based on each person's godhood. Kratos and Odin look around the same age but Odin is way older (over 5000 years old). Also, Heimdall is over 1000 years old and way older than Kratos but still looks like a young man.
Heimdall isn’t way older than Kratos
Demi-gods age. Heracles didn't stay a baby all his life. The first 6 God of war games happened in a pretty short space of time. Plus can assume when he was temporarily God of War his aging froze until the Sword of Olympus & Zeus made him mortal again.
No one going to mention how it doesn’t matter how old he is or gets, he still keeps his body in pristine condition no matter his age. I want his workout routine
One slight pause we see that the Norse Gods do age as we can see from the varying appearance and placement of Odins family. Him looking the oldest his song looking way younger and thors daughter who looks like a kid
Great video 👍
The Intro was sooo niceee „ ARREEEESSS“
Kratos ages to the point he is just a walking Skeleton, he then reforges his Chao blades into a Scythe and becomes the Grim Reaper!
One day Kratos will be as wise as Mimir
Actually Hebe, the Greek goddess of Eternal Youth is who maintains the youthfulness and reverses the aging process of the Gods
(4:50) I don't think just because Kratos got knocked out doesn't mean he was dead doesn't necessarily mean he was dead. Thor could've just shocked his ass awake.
So glad this series still around
Uhh that intro..... Under appreciated...
He's already a ghost. He's the ghost of Sparta
Kratos just aged faster because he had to pay child support
Look at Odin dude really look like he at his end of the sand 💀 😂 but he still alive
Fun fact, Kratos in Ragnarok is actually 32. He's just been through some shit.
Why is Kratos getting older?
Idk man I think time passes by
All the gods age. Look at young Zeus then what he looks like when we finally get him. Even Odin says “I was a young god”
Kratos is 200 years old he tells Loki his age in gow2018
These cultures and modern Western pop culture with their definitions of godly immortality differs so greatly from what we have in Africa.
In our religions, Gods doesn't age for as they are primordial beings umbound to the constraints of time, space and the cycle of life and d3ath. Even the ones who did actually holds dominion within the elements, aspects and realms of the cosmos. They can guise themselves as whatever they want: young, old, animal, human, spirit being, an element, et cetera: but in their fair forms, they appears young, ageless and eternally old at once.
Heck, it is said that even the early generations or hybrid half-human offspring descendants stopped aging once they grew into adulthood and could live forever, barring strange accidents and getting deleted by another fellow demigod or deity: instead, they simply grew world-weary with age. Whom to the early mortal descendants of these latters? Sometimes they grew physically old and withered. Sometimes they figured out how to cheat the outcomes of ageing, nay of ageing alone until their time comes. And sometimes they found a way to ascend into immortality-- but in either case, they lived and deleted. Only after living a couple centuries, let alone of thousands of years.
The only way I can see Kratos having a "true death" is by having his soul whispered away by Atreus or Angrboda, however we can't even say for sure Kratos still even has a soul. For all we know, he may be nothing but a soulless corpse forced to continue moving no matter what happens.
Kratos showed the greek gods that they could be killed and thor show kratos he could be killed as well
I find quite fascinating the fact that we explain greek mythology based on a game and not basendon the actual greek mythology cuase the one who beat the olympian gods was Ares and he did it not kill them he actually bannished them from never coming in any contact with humans again. he did not kill them because they can not die, their immortality is absolute. But then you have to create a game so yes they died by another "God of War" .
One slight correction: Kratos can die but not by his own hands/attempts. Ares and Zeus killed Kratos and only came back to life by another being. When Kratos tried to kill himself once, he couldn't die as the gods cursed him to where Kratos couldn't die by his own hands i.e. Suicide.
Okay this is actually common sense of time Era. Kratos being from Ancient Greece which is BCE (Before Current Era) arriving in the Norse lands when the Berserkers, Vikings that was 900AD. The 9th Century AD. That would make him what...over a thousand or right at.
As we have seen throughout the series, the gods are not truly immortal, just differently mortal
i guess it is not a question of immortality but that of eternal youth, immortality can mean immune to death by natural causes. There was this dude from greek mythology called tithonius who had eternal life but not eternal youth so his body aged and withered away until his consciousness was left. Another case could be LOTR where they were similar to regular people that lived longer but still aged, like Argaorn who lived up to 200+ years... as for kratos Idk man lore i guess?
Why are you monologuing about nectar and ambrosia. Kratos is a demigod that ascended to full godhood. The game interprets his powers as weakening as they are tied to the land in Norse universe but you get progressively stronger with allies/the more you cleanse it.
Actually, in greek mitology the gods and other beings are immortal because when they born the concept of time didn't exist yet. Time e and the consumption of all things to time only became a thing when Cronos push Uranus alway from Gaia and Begin his reing, creating space too. Humans and animals are mortal because they born in that space where time started to be a thing.
Now, obviously that is not the case in the Gow series, and I like your explanation very much haha
There’s no precedent for gods not aging
If he didn’t age, if the gods didn’t age the heaven’s would be filled with babies.
bro can you warn us there is clip of the later part of the game up front? damn it . cant unseem it.
Dude you're quite good, maybe Captain Kuba level or more.
Wasnt kratos curse "not be able to kill himself"
Which should mean he can die by other people's hands
Kratos is what in his 800s guys been through so many battles even being Immortal that's going to take a toll on him
All gods age, just at a slower rate but I like the thought that prayer and faith directly affect their power.
For a 4k sub channel
You make pretty good videos dude
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