Multimeter review / buyers guide / comparison: Brymen TBM867 vs Fluke 87-V
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- Consider this meter if you can't find the Brymen TBM867
Greenlee DM-860-C Industrial 500000-Count Digital Multi-Meter, Includes Certificate of Calibration: astore.amazon.com/m0711-20/det...
The Brymen can also be found at one of my viewers' ebay store:
stores.ebay.com/99centHobbies
I do a review of the Brymen TBM867 / BM867 and compare it to the Fluke 87 - V (Fluke 28 II) and my Fluke 287. The Brymen is a 50 000 / 500 000 count, high precision dual display digital multimeter.
A list of my multimeters can be purchased here:
astore.amazon.com/m0711-20?_en...
Another site for Brymen meters: www.welectron.com/
Other equipment used in the review:
Fluke 287 / 289
Fluke 115 / 116 / 114 / 117
Brymen TBM251 / BM251
RSR MS8209
Toptronic T830
Bench power supply - Věda a technologie
Hi,
Thanks for the comparison.
I would like to add note that 4-20mA loop is analog signal (not representing digital) used in the industry, where you need to transmit signals for long distances in the manufacturing plant, without loosing the signal. 4mA represents ZERO and 20mA represents FULL SCALE (what ever it is. Pressure, Resistance Temperature, Conductivity....).
If you use simple 0-5V or 0-10 volts, your signal is subjected to voltage drop along a long line, and there is no detection of discontinuity (0 volts) in the line. While using the 4-20mA will immediately detects line breakage (no 4mA current), and the signal is not sensitive to line voltage drop.
Thanks again for the excellent video !
My pleasure, glad I could help. It really has one of the highest resolutions of any handheld multimeter and is great for monitoring small solar projects. I'm not sure if you had a look at the video "When resolution really does count", but that shows how handy the resolution is on a small solar project.
Thanks for the feedback and information. Cheers,
Martin.
@electrodacus A resettable fuse would be a feature I would want in my ideal multimeter. Do you have a link to that review? Thanks
My BM869S should be here tomorrow. $209 shipped to the usa. Great video as always, thank you!
Can you tell me what specific measurements you are making in the sensor?
Really the only useful review on this product. Thank you for that. Just ordered it. BTW prices in Germany (in 2019) are 149€ for the 867 (159€ with silicon leads and pouch).
Brilliant choice, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
Thanks to you i bought my Bryman 257 and i am in love with it
Thank you for a great review! I purchased a BM869s from TME and it was shipped from Poland to the USA via DHL. Total cost $235.46 US . Note $9.90 Shipping and Handling is included in the total. Delivery was unbelievably fast and as noted quite cheap. I couldn't ship it across town, for that! Thanks again for great videos!
Ron Bartch My pleasure Ron.
@MrYaesu70 Thanks for your comments. The Brymen brand does not seem to be available in the USA. You can get a Brymen that is rebranded as an Extech that has similar specs to the TBM867. Have a look at the Extech MM560A and MM570A. I'm sure you'll find these sold in the USA.
In the USA, The Greenlee DM-860 is actually the same device as the BM-869s. This is widely reported but can also be verified by examining the manuals and specifications. They are precisely the same except the Greenlee has a green holster. Of course the Brymen line can be ordered from European sources such as TME or Welectron.
My pleasure...thanks for the feedback.
@kibi15 Yes, I've just had a look at the MM560A and it also looks like a very good candidate. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Will buy this Brymen TBM867s great review!
@jmotazedi Display count refers to how 'fine' you can measure a reading. I have multimeter tutorial which will explain and demonstrate - "Multimeter Review / buyers guide / tutorial "
@eurokid83 Thanks for picking up and the correction of the specs. Yes, for the money the Brymen is great....but I still want the 87V at some stage. Thanks for watching.
@whiskeyjack59 Good, you certainly won't go wrong with the silicone test leads, even on an inexpensive meter they are a joy to use. The 500k display count on the Brymen / Extech is brilliant,I wish you chaps had access to get the Brymen model I have (TBM867) it really is a great meter at a very good price.I spent last night contemplating either a Fluke 28-II or a Gossen,but I need to be a little more conservative on my meter spending at the moment!! Do post an impression on the Cen-Tech. Cheers
I'm just starting soldering and pcb making do I need a high end meter for just mesuring dc current ohms and continunity
@eurokid83 Ok...if you do ever find a Brymen advertised in the US please let me know how much they sell for there. Thanks.
@Vlakpage Ah yes, you are correct and I see another viewer has posted similar info. I just compared the Extech MM560 to the Brymen BM850 and they seem to be one and the same. Very useful feedback, thanks for posting and watching.
@DanFrederiksen Aaah, interesting feedback as I'm sure other viewers will find that info handy. The 867 at $151 is a great buy. I also don't understand why they don't offer them on ebay...I think it would be a great seller there.
Go the the Brymen website and ask them for a list of retailers. Cheers, Martin.
Thanks to you I now know what Multimeter to buy
I have just ordered a BM869 from TME since that is the only way to get it here in the Netherlands. You can get the Greenlee branded one but it is much more expensive. I have a UNI-T UT61E which performs well as well but the complete lack of decent input protection and no decent fuses made me buy the Brymen. For work I used different Fluke multimeters ranging from the 87-IV to the fabulous Fluke 789 process meter. The 789 is hands down the best meter I have ever worked with, if you work in processcontrol environments it is a great device because it has a current source as well to generate 0/4 - 20 mA and as a bonus it can power loop powered devices (it generates 24V for this, so you chew through the 4 AA batteries quite quickly).
I am really looking forward to receiving the Brymen since I changed jobs and no longer have access to Fluke devices (except my own old Fluke 97 Scopemeter)
You can order Brymen 869S at this Dutch webshop for €180.99 ex. VAT: eleshop.eu/brymen-bm869s-multimeter.html
Cheaper than the € 197.41 ex. VAT at TME too: www.tme.eu/en/details/bm869/portable-digital-multimeters/brymen/bm869s/
@electrodacus The UT71A and E were two meters I was looking at before I decided on the Brymen. I saw a review and tear down on CZcams of a UNI-T 7x multimeter and the build quality and some accuracy issues put me off. It's a pity because the features, resolution, and large clear display on the UT71A make it seem like a good buy.
The current version is BM867s. What differences if any?
@whiskeyjack59 No Problem, I've had a look at it on the web and had a scan through the manual. I like the fact that it uses AAA batteries and it has warings for incorrect input selection. It's not that accurate but then you don't really need that for a 4000 count meter. I would certainly buy it at that price and give it a try.
Cheers, Martin.
We had a Metrel MD 9050 in our lab. It looked identical to the Brymen
TBM867 except it was blue. The specs look very close as well. From what I remember it didn't have the 500000 count button; but don't quote me on that. Quite reasonably priced. It worked fine. The capacitance function on the Metrel MD 9050 had very good resolution, much better than the Flukes.
Where I see the Flukes winning is perhaps the AC bandwidth. However the Brymen TBM869 seems to be better than the Brymen TBM867 in this respect, at least on paper
We also had a Fluke 287 in the lab, I agree with all you said at the beginning of the video. The display isn't great and it chews batteries like crazy. Spec-wise the Fluke 287 is fantastic. It also has a very wide AC bandwidth.
I've lined-up meters Fluke 8808A, Fluke 28-ii, Fluke 287 and the Metrel MD 9050 on bench and they all agree to small digits, similar to what you did in the video.
Hi Josh, there are quite a few other folk that are frustrated that they can't get hold of this meter easily. There is a supplier in South Africa (hellermanntyton) but I'm not sure if they ship internationally. I do know some folks have found suppliers in Europe but I don't have those details.
What make/ brand of a digital multimeter would you recommend for an electronic repair workshop which is into repair of TVs, radios, micro-ovens, cameras, audio amplifiers, etc?
Hi Mjlorton! With what frequency meter testing capacitors Brymen BM 867?
@electrodacus Yes, the Taiwanese seemed to have done a good job with this DMM. I had a look at the Victor multimeters and for the price they seem ok but the MASTECH MS8265 seems like it would be a very good low priced candidate. I'll do a little more research on it. Thanks.
Is it possible to review the APPA 99 III multimeter and compare it with the brymen and the fluke.
So it's nearly 5 years since this video was posted. Do you still feel the same about this meter or have you found an upgrade?
I'm in the market for a mid to high end DMM and I could use some updated recommendations from you. Perhaps a new shootout/buyers guide to mid to high end meters?
Rish Multi 20 or Metra Hit 30M
Yup, good suggestion.
@eagle2188 Yes, that should be easy enough. I'll try get to that in the next couple of days.
Which one is the best multimeter for everything. ( home, industrial, electricians and for electrical users)
@mjlorton I think in the US your option would to buy the similar Extech MM560 which is actually made by Brymen (Extech employee mentioned it in EEVblog forums), but you will pay extra and that is probably the reason why you can't get Brymen there.
Ad accuracy: I like that Fluke usually perform way better than the specs and stay there even after several years. We have 3 year old Fluke 117s at work and when checking against Fluke 287, it's often +-1 digit, even 0.1% resistors are like that too.
I just won the bid on Ebay, for my Fluke 87...it is not a V, but an original 87, that performs very well!
Do you still like this meter and us it, or have you moved onto something else now? I've just purchased this one in the UK for £129 because I was looking for a meter of this resolution to match my 2 bench meters but did not want spend too much for it your review helped make decide that it is a worthwhile meter and is certainly robust. I'm very happy with it, although my backlight is not as good as yours.
@Vlakpage Excellent feedback, that has enlightened me so I appreciate the info.
Hi Martin,
I went out and purchased the Brymen 869 after watching your videos on it.
Will you do something on power quality analyzers and their use? It might be too industrial for your audience, but then again, I am requesting and I am in your audience :)
I would really like to see an indepth video about either a Fluke or a Chauvin Arnoux power qualizy analyzer. It might be interesting for a host of people and there isn't really much about them or their applications.
Great suggestion. I have one...so when I get my solar up and running here in the US I will consider doing a video on it. Cheers, Martin.
Is there a possibility to see the PCB and internal components quality as you have done for "IP67 Major Tech MT1887" review?
Kind regards
A great review. In my country (Romania) at the moment it costs 128 EUR or 167 USD. I think this multimeter would be my best choice. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.
Does anyone know the difference between the 869 and 869s?
Hi I'm just a home/shop Auto repair guy so I just a need a good multimeter for auto work. What do you think about this one is good enough for this kind of work? Brymen BM231 Multimeter
@whiskeyjack59 Yes, I'm very happy I came across it.
Excellent....Fluke or Brymen?
@electrodacus Thanks, a good resource.
Thank you, great video !
What is the difference between the Brymen BM867 and TBM867, and what is the difference between the BM867 and BM869 ?
The 869 has two temperature measurements simultaneously plus a frequency drive function. Those two I remember... :)
What about SANWA PC5000a ? The spec look very good.
Awesome Vid, very scientific
Thanks for a great review, even its a bit long..
Can I ask for help, Im new at electronics, when do you come across and need more than 6000/10.000 counts?
Just trying to understand in what situations it could be good to have.
Measures voltage drop or recharge for batteries and leakage voltage measurements, then 50.000(0) are useful..
Is there any more situations where I actually need more resolution than 6000/10.000 counts?
Im asking because Im about to buy my first multimeter, either bm829 or the bm869 and are not sure how much it can be useful to have the extra resolution.
Im new at electronics.
Can you or anyone else give some advice in what situations it can be useful except that already noted?
Thanks for your help and videos!
Gonna watch the safe electronics videos next, thanks!
Where can i purchase Brymen TBM867 ?
I do not see any places who has it for sale :(
today i made a purchase on bm 869 on tme it is out of stock and they say takes 3 weeks to get it but any way i couldn't stop myself of buying it and paying for it in advance ... let see how it goes
@mjlorton what is a count?
See also the Protek range of DMMs. The 6500. Available in the US for ~$200.
I sure did. And checked the 13 min HD review too. :-)
Is there a difference between BM869 and BM869s ?
I see the two reference coming trough but can't find any info about what that "s" mean if anything ?
S for silicone leads, gold plated tips. Bargain priced upgrade!
@mjlorton I was looking around for a price on the Brymen 867 here in the US but it's hard if not impossible to find. I have several Fluke meters and I love them. The Brymen looks quite nice, If I can get my hands on one I certainly will. I admit I'm kind of a Fluke "fan boy" but I'm open minded and am willing to give other meters a try.
You don't have to justify how you spend your money to anyone else.It's your money.Once it doesn't affect anyone else you have to right to do what you want,you don't need permission from anyone or to justify anything to anyone.
Hey,
I am buying some stuff from TME few times a year and I hadn't any problems with them.
For some parts thay have 3x sometimes even 5x lower prices than in farnell.
In my opinion there is nothing to worry about.
@whiskeyjack59 Handy feedback, thanks.
LOL...I do exactly the same thing when I'm hunting down a new DMM!
I disagree with You about speed of min and max catch. There is a CREST function that is very fast and store min and max values. It is designed for fast changing signals >1ms.
287 Crest factor is a "shape coefficient".
Peak hold is for catching fast changing signals. Sampling at 40 000 times a second.
Do you sell the LCD for Fluke 87 Multimeter or do you know of any stores you can sell?
If the screen is dim or segments missing, cleaning the zebra strip and its pads with ipa or etoh may restore function.
@kibi15 The fact is Extech multimeters, at least the MM... series is made by Brymen (maybe that's why Brymen is hard to find in the US) but they charge extra for the Extech brand, you should be able to find Brymen cheaper for the similar features.
The Europe distributor TME has all these meters priced as follows:
Fluke 87-V: 410€
Fluke 287: 457€
Extech MM560: 183€
Brymen BM867: 124€
Extech MM570: 247€
Brymen BM869: 175€
Review Rish Multi 20 please
I have the Greenlee dm860a 50000 count multimeter very nice multimeter can measure a lot with it I think there's a button you can push to change it to 50,000 count or 500000 count as well bought my Greenlee dm860a I think I paid around $200 for it but new they run about $400.
Brymen multimeters are not readily available in the USA, but it appears that Greenlee is a rebadged Brymen, and there are multiple versions. I am trying to determine the exact differences between the Greenlee 820A, 830A, and 860A.
www.greenlee.com/catalog/Electric-Test-Instruments/MULTIMETERS/CI-Digital-Multimeters?category_id=914
It appears that the Greenlee 820A is the same as the Brymen 867, the Greenlee 830A is the same unit as the Brymen 869s, and Greenlee offers a calibrated version, with a "c" at the end of the model number.
I'm not surprised because if you look, its plainly obvious that the Greenlee DM860A and the Brymen TBM867S are the same meter apart from the colour of the bumper and the name, so what applies to one also applies to the other.
What is the best Brymen for electronics hobby and measurements on the home network? I am in doubt between BM827S, BM829S and BM869S. Thank you!
In my opinion 869 just for double temperature measurement doesn't worth the 70 euro plus for what you wish to do with a multi meter. I also intend to buy 867s for same thing. Even so, 867 could be too much for this level of usage . Hope it helps
@@alincocos7076 I ended up buying the "UT61B+" and I am quite satisfied with my use. My decision was based on exactly what you pointed out. I don't think it's worth paying more to use electronics. I preferred to buy this one and if I need to mess with high voltage I buy a Fluke specifically for that. Thanks!
@@profglac it looks like a good one, and less than half of the price for a brymen. I think those uni-t are well built and enough for home use, even for a small electronic business. I wish to you to enjoy the use of this DMM. All the best
@mjlorton Thank you very much for the video reply.
The 4~20mA is more than just digital LOW or HIGH. It is better to use current to transmit a analog value over long wires, so you don't lose precision do to voltage drops.
Use differential signals then the drop doesn't matter.
It surprises me that Brymen can pack in Fluke beating features for a fraction of the price of a fluke.
Superb video, sir. What are your long term thoughts on this? I'll dig through your back catalogue after this and look for videos on Brymen. I'm supporting it and a Polish retailer for anti Putin and anti CCP reasons. I ordered a BM089 but after it arriving today I realised I did a poor job choosing it. Not a bad meter, nicely made, does what it says it will, but best accuracy is 1 decimal in AC or DC voltage! Doh. I regularly want to see at least 2 decimal places and your lesson in this video applies to me for sure. Oh well, more donations to the Taiwanese military and Polish military. :-)
Watched to the end rather than working - great video, lots of good details, I have been using DMMs since I was a kid and just learned a bunch of new subtle details. Also had a play with the 089 since my comment above and it's actually really good - charging curreng and vehicle consumption current dead stable and seemingly accurate, and could read RPM off plug leads pretty easily and confirm it by switching between coil and cylinder 1 etc. Very nice. I will order more though, the 869, the 319, and the 197, because Slava Ukraine and F the CCP. All for less than an 87V :-)
w ww .tme.eu/en/katalog/?art=BM869
Maybe this website . . .
Has anyone found a reliable source for these meters?
It doesn't seem like I could buy one if I wanted.
Shame, seems like a tease.
I have a Fluke 87 III, and I absolutely love it! I got it from Ebay. It was "NOS." After I got probes & case for it, I think I spent as much as I could have gotten a series five for. But I think it worked out for the best. I learned that calibrating the 87 V is done with software, and it must be sent to Fluke for that. But the 87 III is calibrated with internal pots, which any technician can tweak. And I've got some decent voltage standards.
I got a 60,000 count multimeter for £60 rebranded by one of the national electronics distributors in uk, rapid electronics, popular with schools etc. its specs are really very good. certainly worth the money, but the autorange and continuity are ridiculously slow. it looks a lot like your brymen
I just went back and had a look at that multimeter and took it apart. I found something I think you'll find very interesting as it's a meter you have already reviewed. Underneath its rebranding by Rapid Electronics, the PCB is labelled "Lead Jump Development EX530-5".It looks like Lead Jump is just the PCB fab, but I'm sure these all come from a single chinese OEM. It's also rebranded as Major Tech MT1887 and by Extech as EX530, who have obviously specified their own finish for the outside. Mine looks like your MT1887 except for the branding at the top so it looks like that's very close to what the OEM product would look like. My test leads are labelled 1000V Cat III, 600V Cat IV, whereas your seeminly identical test leads you say are only labelled 1000V Cat II. The manual shows an OEM meter on the outside, but the ones on the inside look like they're in EX510 livery.
Interesting that my Rapid Electronics meter was £60 in about 2009/2010, whereas your mate at Tester.co.uk sells the equivalent Extech for £140 today. Shame Rapid no longer sell it and what they do sell as their own brand look like they're worth around £10-20.
P.S. It's 40,000 counts, not 60,000. I think that was a mistake on the part of Rapid's website but it might be my memory. The picture on the outside of the box is the unbranded yellow OEM equivalent to the Extech EX510 and the box has no branding at all, simply says "Professional Digital Multimeter".
It's still well made on the inside with mostly SMD parts, good quality fuses, no flying leads for battery or buzzer, the ADC inside a shielding can, appears to be IP67 waterproof (the O rings tend to get pushed into the holes and chewed up by the self-tapping screws, I pulled them out and they seem OK), has metal threaded inserts for the battery door screws only and it has a MUCH better LCD than the £175 Brymen BM869 I have (which disappointingly is only clear from a slight back tilted angle, not square on and annoyingly only does 500,000 count mode on DC volts and milivolts). My major complaints with it are that it's slow to autorange (except resistance), slow to beep on continuity (but even Agilents are too) and that the digital display and bar graph seem to both update twice a second so the bar graph is pointless.
And here is the OEM CEM DT-9919 for under £60 ($100) on eBay. It looks the same except the selector switch is slightly different. Good buy for a first meter. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DT-9919-True-RMS-Multimeter-1000V-10A-IP67-Waterproof-amp-Temp-Measurement-amp-Case-/281390992694?_trksid=p2054897.l4275
I would add the Bremen English Manual is very good and seriously better than Chinese Meter manuals I have or have seen.
I've ordered a 869s from Italy for ~$240.00 US including DHL shipping. Their calibration certification with a 3-year extended warranty is only €25. Found it on eBay. I'll comment when it arrives here in Portland, OR.
BTW, the Greenlee DM-860a appears to be a rebranded Bremen DM-869s. I've since found it in the USA for ~$345.00 US, including Shipping. Too bad I didn't find it previously so I could pay $100.00 more for the Greenlee name.....NOT! Greenlee also offers a 10,000 count data-lodging version. No contest against Fluke 287 or 289 and approaching the Fluke price-point. Go figure???
The Extech MM560A is a 50,000 / 500,000 count instrument with a DC accuracy of 0.03%. It is about $250US. It seems a very close competitor feature wise to the TBM867.
DM830 greenlee
wow certainly looks like a very good performer, and I'm a big fan of embarrassing the overpriced pretentious flukes : ) but googling around it's basically non existent. I recently bought a UT61E which is a 22000 count 0.1% meter which is both good looking and robust and costs 65$ including shipping on ebay.
there is only one brymen on ebay and that's in sydney so is it possible we are dealing with a very high quality noname product? that brymen is just an aussie rebrand.
I'd like to know more.
Seems to be a nice unit, Everything goes OK until I saw a 9 volt battery @ 35:51 (9 volt batteries do not last long) even in equipment that uses low consumption energy resources
I was watching this video and thinking about the name of this multimeter "Brymen" what sound similar to like German name. But when I did research and find out that this is made in Lodz City of Poland. I was born and live for 33 years in Poland. I start asking my self question do I dreaming? or something?. Don't get me wrong, I like my country and this product (sound like success). But I just don't have that much faith and I will buy Fluke 87 V. ;-)
Apparently these meters are made in Taiwan.
Here is link to the Brymen web site: www.brymen.com/About%20Us.html
I contacted brymen taiwan and they told me elma.dk sell them in my country Denmark but under the name Elma: elma. dk/_da-DK/v:1385;130070?visma5.prodno=5706445410378
they only sell the 869 at 370$us plus sales tax (and it's green)
I found another site in europe selling the 867 with an indicated price of 119 euro which is only 151$us. a decent price for such a meter.
it does seem that the brand name is brymen but they are willing to rebrand their product..
they should be on ebay
4-20ma Industrial Apps , Oil and Gas Industry- Instrumentation. PWM apps for valve service, etc,.
ebay is selling those used 87V for less and they have LIFE TIME warranty.
Its time to upgrade dude!
+Dirtyharry70585
IT'S FLUKE TIME :)
please can you mesure Shunt of mA and microA ? its 10 sec work but it save my nervs... no info in google fount
not about shunt in this ore higer model ... not about birning volteg isue in this model its crusial for me ...
p.s. Thanks whots ever...=)
pleese... waiting ...
frequency ?????? and , and make full test time respond dc and ac togged and, and , and, and and and
There is really no normal electronics on this internet
A bit too long winded and slow moving