The Original Arthur - Red Dead Cut Content
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Today I discuss and theorize the cut version of Arthur Morgan that we’ll never get to see.
Thanks to @Snook_YT for being the voice of Dan Houser
Video inspired by @sxrdo
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@rdr.outlaw
@VoyagersRevenge
(Soon to be updated)
Paint it black intro song:
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They should’ve have used the “Vengeful Arthur” lines for low honor.
theres a mod that adds these lines to arthur when he fights lawmen
@@keecko8169 well than tell us the mod!
@@boolets22not sure if this is the exact one he’s talking about but there is a mod on the nexus called cut dialogue restoration and enhancement which sounds like what hes talking about as it restores a lot of cut voice lines
@@blingiman i found it already but thanks bro
@@keecko8169what’s the mod?
It's easy to feel sad about cut content, but just remember how much they gave us
They gave us all they had
@@matej1608😂
@@matej1608 they did
I wouldn't be as disappointed with rockstar if it wasn't for how bad they did john in the epilouge
@@MicroWave233fr if they just fix him I wouldn’t care about all this
From the way John described his time in the gang in RDR1, this version of Arthur would've definitely been more fitting, but I'm still happy with the way they wrote him in the end.
Yeah, with the gang being more ruthless band of rebels and fighters rather than a big group of misfits. I also wish we saw the the more ruthless young John from RDR1.
@@themadtitan7603 yeah we dont see him as a ruthless outlaw much
@@Gabriel-ki7uj Agreed. He felt mostly sidelined and passive. Not a ruthless outlaw who steals, kills and threatens out of zealous loyalty to Dutch and is an active participant in the plans. The only time he came off this way is in the oil wagon train heist - he came up with the idea and shouted at & threatened the passengers.
A lot of things could of been more fitting rdr2 and rdr1 don’t even feel connected tbh they feel so different and so many plot holes and downgraded John
@@DeadX2They did a decent job for connecting the dots. The retcons that some braindead like to complain about are irrelevant. For exemple it was never stated that John was left in blackwater ferry job or that it happened in 1906 or some die hard John’s fans that hold on the idea that he was Dutch’s right hand man because of that Bill line in the beginning of the game. They handled Dutch perfectly , they hinted that Bill was a dumb fool which they respected. « Oh John’s should’ve been more important » Well he was important , he was the first one along Hosea to see through Dutch’s bullshit and doubt him , which showcase his intelligence and explain’s Dutch resentment for him , he was part of two of the best missions in chapter 2 , he had one job with the grays and was part of the braithwate assault ( obviously) , main actor in the beginning of chapter 4 , he participated in the saint denis robbery , he was a major character in chapter 6 and a whole part of Arthur’s redemption arc was dedicated to him , seems like some og fans wanted him to be part of every second of the game and be a playable character , they handled his personality well in the 1899 storyline , we could see his sarcastic unbothered personality ( they did a bad job with him in the epilogue doe) so i really don’t get the issue. And as for those who say that Arthur is copy past of rdr1 john , i prefer not to answer lmaoo
I wish they kept the vengeful voice lines for low honor Arthur
Yes his deeper tone is more menacing for sure
Can get them back on pc I think. Sadly no way on console. Even John has them
I think those are Arthur's combat lines in general which were mostly cut and only occasionally trigger in the game.
Yeah
A good arc with this vengeful arthur is realizing he’s no better than Micah or Dutch, making his redemption more impactful
That’s true that would be pretty sigma
@@Waxyyyskibidi
It would also have him learn that vengeance is an idiot's game, rather than starting out already believing that. Giving him more of a growth than just trying to help people after actualizing the goodness that's already there.
No. It would just make his redemption less believable.
@@Nevad25 how
I think vengeful Arthur is cool in theory, I think a big problem you see with this is people go “oh this would have been so awesome cause of how I have imagined it in my head.” This also would have to completely overhaul a lot of the side mission, I just don’t see this much colder Arthur helping a guy take animal pictures, looking for Dino bones, or rock carvings immediately after coming down the mountain
It could’ve worked if side missions weren’t written as linear and offered a different colder approach
@@BrvmleyJust stop. It wouldnt have worked. This is why you're not a story writer.
I'm relieved that this was cut because this game is already heart breaking as hell without arthur's newborn dying at beginning
I'd be interested in seeing this vision for Arthur but without the part of Isaac dying at the start. I think it works better for Arthur's arc to have his son's death take place before the story as be indirectly due to him trying to be a father and an outlaw loyal to Dutch. With that information recontextualizing his character for us. It also parallels John's story and adds to their dynamic that he's trying to prevent the latter from repeating that same life choice.
@themadtitan7603 well it would still pararell John's story the way it is now and like you said having to be a father and loyal then having your son die because of it still applies to canon arthur , he was loyal to the gang so he wasn't there to protect his family. So he wants to make sure John is there for his family. So while I think it's a cool concept I understand why they got rid of that storyline because his son dies regardless and we wouldn't have those good funny times in,chapter 2 like we do now
That "i'm sending you to hell' was scary af
'Vengeful Arthur' genuinely resonated with me and seems like it could've been a powerful character arc in its own right. A bitter outlaw lashing out at the world for losing his son in a way so far out of his control and goes on a dark path for most of the story. Until he's forced to confront his death and makes peace with it, seeing that vengeance has only left him hollow. That and his imminent mortality, makes him dedicate his last days to helping others, ending grudges (John), and getting his friends out of Dutch's own vengeful mission so they can have a life where's his was wasted.
A darker Arthur definitely had the capacity for a redemption story imo. IDK, if it would've been better, but I think it could've potentially been more complex and maybe not as palatable. Not that the current Arthur isn't complex or has flaws, but he feels too put together and likable. His biggest sins mainly come out of the circumstances he's in, where's this Arthur would've had deeper, more personal failures to reflect on. Which is why I feel they leant a little to hard on the movie cowboy with a heart of gold is my and this is even reflected in his design. I also think it would've made for better low honor runs while also working for a high honor playthrough.
I swear this guy is everywhere
i think it woudlve been better also I agree with everything u said
I couldn’t find anyone else I could agree with more. This is also kind of the reason why I tolerate Micah up before chapter 6 because he was a ruthless outlaw that cared for nobody but himself I actually thought he was badass as fuck
@@JarringSteaklol he is
Wdym by put together and likeable if anything in cutscenes at least I thought Arthur came up as a bit of a condescending asshole to everybody besides Lenny,charles,Dutch and Hosea in the chpter 1 and 2 at least he lighten up after that and became likeable
4:53 Just a heads-up, but this is not Eliza in the screenshot. It's a different cut character discovered in the files as 'Leon's niece' who would've been part of the larger Guarma storyline. The Leon in question is one of the rebels we save from hanging in 'Savaegry Unleashed'.
ahhh my bad, I might cut this out of the video later
@@Waxyyy It's cool. Great video and a banger of an intro, as usual.
@@themadtitan7603 thank you brother 🙏
And here
@@Waxyyythen someone will have to do a cut content video for you
This angry Arthur would have one-punched Micah and killed him. JEEZ
4:17 THAT IS ONE HUGE BABY, HOLY MOLY
😂😂😂😂😂
That's Francis Sinclair 😂
I feel like this version would fit more with the redemption story. A lot of people agree that current arthur wasnt a complete bad person from the start and had some kindness in him but i feel if we had the original, he wouldn't have such good in his heart and it would make the ending more powerful and compelling, it would show how even the worst of men could change for the good even if its a slight change.
Generally speaking, it would likely prevent very many people from becoming attached to him as a character. The plot, as a result, would be appreciated by far fewer people. Perhaps it would be more interesting for you, but being overly dramatic is considered bad taste in writing for a reason.
@@bubsy3861 the story that we got was already over dramatic as is
Bad people do good things all the time. Ted Bundy probably saved more lives then he took when working for the suicide hotline. It makes sense that the people around Arthur, his gang, his family, would find him to still be a good person at the end of the day.
That opening trailer is *THE* hardest edit I've ever seen, nothing else compares.
“Tell me exactly where… or I’ll smash your head clean open” words can’t describe how cold and frightening that line is. Roger Clark is a goated voice actor 🔥
I honestly like the current game Arthur more than the original one. Original one is cold and very aggressive but I feel like the original one would be just straight up nothing but bland and boring. He doesn’t have the pretty boy look I prefer too. So glad we got the current game one
We know very little about this Arthur to make a clear judgment imo. Just some story hints and voice lines isolated from context We don't know that he he'd be a 2D character who's just aggressive. Hell, Waxy here proposes a potential vision for him that sounded like it'd make for a compelling character.
It's reasonable to speculate and infer about his story and whether we would've liked him better or less than what we ended up with. But I think saying making opinions on which we like more or the quality of the original's writing when we barely know about is unfounded.
Also, I personally prefer the original's withered, beaten design than the pretty boy look, which contradicts how Arthur is indicated to look canonically in-game. It also feels more authentic to a veteran 1800s gang enforcer than the Hollywood cowboy look.
“Pretty boah? You kidding me? PRETTY BOAH???” -Arthur Morgan
Yeah that’s how he should of been lol he’s been a outlaw in a gang for 20 years and he’s the also the guy who gets shit done he gets his hands dirty
Beta Arthur was so much better honstely and he had his own personality and wasn’t a John clone
@@DeadX2yep they could have made Arthur original and ruthless. But the decided to give him basically all of John's traits in rdr1 and made him more emotional which is weird. Then they tried to destroy John's character completely.
@@jessebailey5962 Exaclty lol rockstar sucks at tryna development ppl lol
Downgraded John
Sadie
And Arthur’s 180 ass development
I think it would have been great to have a more dark Arthur at the start of the game then see him slowly change his way through the game and accepting what happened to his child all of that anger and hate it would have been pretty cool i like the Arthur we got but he wasn't that bad he did beat up that guy that gave him tb but i feel like he wasn't that bad
i argue that having this in the game would make arthurs final sacrifice of saving john and his family that much more meaningful since we (the player) will literally witness arthur lose his own family on-screen
also the original arthur is tall and big, peoples describes him as a mountain man
He's big in vanilla game too, you just can't tell because you're playing as him. Spawn him as a NPC he's huge
In the final product he's a 6'1 broad shithouse of a man, very much a mountain man.
@@Rudyard-wy3wsI wish I was 6.2
would have been better like this, there would be a starker contrast from the beggining to the end(if you change Arthur's personality with your choices), and he could start at minimum honor(maximum dishonor)so it's harder to build up the meter unlike the final game where we start at Neutral.
That's one of the reasons why I think this version would've potentially made for a more intriguing character arc. Getting Arthur from the bitter outlaw lashing out at the world to the sickly man with a new, more appreciative view of the world finally at peace as he watches at the sunrise by the end more impactful and like a journey with peaks and valleys. Versus yes, an outlaw who robs & kills, but is largely depicted as a cowboy with a heart of gold, charismatic, opposed to needless revenge, and whom the game prodes you at every turn that he's really a good guy in a bad environment and you should put him on the path to redemption. At the same time, if you want to stick on the low honor honor path, it'd work perfectly for his set up.
@@themadtitan7603 also the final game is a bit unrealistic IMO, putting too much initial moral nuance onto a gangster, sure he could change by the time he gets TB and focused on helping John Abigail and Jack, and having moral introspection because of the debt collections, but for him to be neutral and compassionate even at the start, is putting a bit too much agreeableness to the gangster lifestyle, its a kindof sympathetic propoganda, which should not be in a game like this.
@@BlueFusion2910 I think they leaned a little too hard on the cowboy with a heart of gold archetype. Yes, he still has a great arc, but I feel they were eager to make him instantly likable and inclined to goodness for someone robs trains and kill lawmen without much remorse. Beyond the obvious killing and robbing, he should've been more flawed, with more unlikable qualities amidst the good and actions that don't always make him agreeable as you put it or comfortable to watch imo. It may've been more of a gamble,the audiences might've only liked him over the course of the story rather than near instantly, but I think it potentially could've made him more complex and genuine character.
@@themadtitan7603 That's similar to what I was thinking
@@BlueFusion2910
Hold up? Where does the story show he was “neutral and compassionate”, he is only that if you choose to. You can go full on brutal and ruthless as Low Honor Arthur.
But what you guys want it remove all nuance and have him JUST be “low honor” from the beginning. When the game gives you a choice to be whoever you want. Good or bad,
Now this..THIS is a very well done video good sir! Accurate yet emotional, awesome dude!!
Thank you!
lets just imagine Arthur's redemption to high honor ending with the events of this cut content. imagine the journey he will go through as a character from cold and vengeful to caring for others. I would love it if Rockstar makes this a little DLC or makes a second version of the game like this. they already got some of this content, I feel like it would make the redemption of Arthur feel more satisfying at the end, like you actually committed your time to making Arthur a good guy
Never thought I'd see an acoustic cover of a song about the Vietnam War used for a western game... but it actually fits
Love it! Thank you! 🙏 great deep dive into characters
Isaac and jack would have to get revenge together if Isaac wasn’t cut dead.
YOOO THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HEARTED
Really enjoyed hearing that music from Mafia 3 :) thank you for that, its like two different worlds come together for a moment (well in my mind anyway) and great info here.
Thank you
Arthur is literally perfect. Cool to see what could have been though.
Arthur og voice sounds badass and scary at the same time keep those videos coming you got a sub
paint it black 😵 guitar hero nostalgia
Pretty cool cut content ngl appreciate this! 💯
This is truly one of the best videos ive ever seen
this video has crazy good editing bro, wonderful video
6:06 this line makes me want to see this vengeful arthur
Man will forever be impressed by your video editing skills
Hat-off 🎩
damn bro only intro deserves at least 100000 views… incredible work!
I like the songs you use, keep it up!
Great video keep it up
"YOU'RE A DEAD MAAN"
That line is just perfection, rage incarnate.
Saved to watch later. Thanks for the content!
Np 🤙
@@Waxyyy just beat the game 2 days ago so now I’m going hard in the lore and extra content. Doing my second play through and taking my time to really get the full experience.
@@Waxyyy finally got home and watched it. Great vid 10/10. I’m personally glad they went the route they did with Arthur’s character
@@VibeASMR same
The Original Arthur Is Cold Amazing Video
Very well made👏👏
This video a masterpiece
Master class editing.. 🔥 damn
That intro was so rad bro, keep up the good work
thank you 🙏
is nobody gonna talk about how dope the opening part of the video was
Amazing video
Loved the intro!
Thanks
The aggressive lines sent me so many chills. That arthur is even more terrifying than when he goes after micah in the low honor ending..
AMAZING INTRO!
Amazing line from Dan Houser
from the man himself
Normally, i would get sad over what we could have had, but i love arthur as he is, and I wouldn't want to change it
6:01 that gun fire transition was clean
how is barely anyone talking about that opening sequence?? THAT WENT HARD AF
what a badass fucking intro killer job
Thank you 🙏
wake up babe nephew done posted a banger
i absolutely loved the editing man! grrat showcase of rdr2's beauty
Thank you!!!
I was shocked I had to hunt so far for a comment about the editing! +1 here, great intro and cuts throughout
This video is great w song ❤🐐
Good Lord, that intro was *ridiculously* good. Nice work.
Man you got so many great shots throughout this. I especially love the ones where the camera floats around while everything is frozen in time. Beautiful stuff, seriously.
@@UnityAgainstJewishEvil thank you bro that means a lot, I’ve been improving my editing a lot over the past few months and I’m happy people noticed. stay turned 🤙
Nice video
Arthur’s son cut content makes a lot of sense considering the game does start with a death but it’s Davey instead of Isaac
great intro
It's never too late too watch a waxy vid❤️
The intro feels like an intro for a Red Dead HBO show
The few lines you shared are very similar to how Abigail acts which i do believe played a part in her becoming cut content. Two kids and two wives who are always talking about hating John and Arthur may have been overkill
Another thing is there are also voice lines from the New Austin and Blackwater sheriffs suggesting that Arthur could’ve accessed these places. Maybe (in-game) you could’ve gone to both places, only the second the law saw you or you hung around town for too long they would start chasing after you. (Just my theory)
I can't lie, I would like to see this version of Arthur in the original game, however, fitting him in there would be a very difficult job.
We must stop analyzing things based on our own tastes; in general, Vengeful Arthur would make people not have as much empathy with him, causing less attachment.
His redemption marked by his death would be technically more impactful, but in practice it wouldn't shake us as much because we don't have as much attachment to him due to the lack of empathy that his cold version would cause. That's probably what the developers thought, deciding to change the trajectory of the story.
Of course, we can think that this would fit very well in the low honor version, also making a much bigger difference between high honor and low honor playthrough - something very interesting.
In practice this would not be possible. Why? We must remember that in the beta version it was planned that Guarma (formerly Guama) would basically be another game; there would be a giant map, saloons, shops, explorable areas, collectibles, etc., but in the end we only received a micro-island with a linear story made up of half a dozen missions.
The game's epilogue would also basically be RDR1 Remake, being extremely faithful in several aspects to the first game, but we also received just that rubbish, where the only good thing was actually the story.
Doing this kind of thing is extremely complicated, costs a lot of time and money, and is not always possible.
Furthermore, no other game came close to what RDR2 did, even with so much content cut it is still the best game in the history of video games.
In short, we're lucky to get what we got, even though it's cool to explore the cut content and feel sad imagining everything we could have gotten more.
That intro is the hardest shit I've seen in awhile 🔥
No way ur the “I’m bouta b0mb this whole mfing plane” guy 💀
intro hard asf
I would have liked to have seen the angrier and more violent Arthur as it would have given him something more substantial to redeem from and it would explain away certain interactions with people in the world and how they view him such as the O'Driscolls fearing him and labelling him "Van Der Linde's Bruiser" and even Jimmy Brooks being absolutely terrified of Arthur. Also the way certain gang members are stand offish with Arthur at times for example when Grimshaw thanks Arthur for helping save Tilly she gives him a backhanded compliment about being good but only sometimes.
To add it would coincide better with the way the narrative progresses and it definitely shows that this was the original plan for Arthur's characterisation.
That intro was fire
thank you 🙏
I wish the lower honor that you have as Arthur affects what lines of dialogue would be used
Lovely mate, now I have something to watch on my way from TAFE
Which tafe bro
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@@tomcardiff4701 nice mate. Im from brissy.
@@Tiemurillo noice mate
@@tomcardiff4701 hell yeah
Awesome intro my man!
Thank you 🙏
Amazing intro 😎
Thank you 🙏
@@Waxyyyyour welcome 😃
Think how many secrets Red Dead redemption 1 has that we will never know.... due to it coming out in 2010
Hey waxy i just stumbled on your channel...love the video great job, hey where did you get the version of Paint it black for your intro? Great intro. thank you.
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@@Waxyyy thank you sir....now On to TAHITI!!! LOL
Mom wake up, Waxy uploaded.
I still want to know on how : the gang came to know one another - how Arthur & John were brought up by Dutch as well as where they found. Since Arthur says Dutch taught him to read. How was Davey and the others killed before they ended up in the first scene up in the snow.
First John felt like they watered him down, now I learn Arthur was meant to be more serious? Man this sucks...
Great video. Any idea who made the "Paint It Black" cover in the intro? Thanks.
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I probably would have played Arthur as he was originally presented; a vengeful and miserable man. I’m glad this content was cut, otherwise I likely wouldn’t have given him the honorable end he deserved.
Chapter 1 in Colter was supposed to be longer, there is a whole region of the map cut off. I assume if they sticked to the frozen newborn plan he would have left most of that anger in the snow.
Appearantly Arthur was supposed to have a Rifle Hostler but Rockstar didnt add a Option to add a Rifle hostler probably because thry dont know an Animation for it to equip and unequip or propably because everyone had Straps back then.
A mix would have been nice. A very brutal, cold to the outside type at the beginning and than your actions later on would feel like a bigger impact
The intro ❤
Loved the Stone’s song in the intro
thank you
Very cool
Thank you 🙏
It will play it but it might be sad
I think it's good that it's cut. It would probably distract from the more important narrative of Arthur's relationship with the gang too much.
The short line with Arthur opening up about his dead son and the bitterness on the world he held since then explains enough about his character, even though it's rudely interrupted by Rain Fails wanting to pick ginseng.
Good vid.
thank you
Game doesn’t even feel like it has cut content because there’s so much in it😂
if this was in addiition to the story we got, i think it wouldve made it even more emotional once the end came. we kept hearing he was a bad man and we got some of that. this wouldve added to it in a good way. they couldve release a mini prequel dlc but we all know why RDR2 didnt get any dlc
you know honesty I actually kind of wish we got this version of author like he was the deadly enforcer of the gang. I would’ve made me want to play more of dishonourable path. But I’m happy with what we got
Vengeful dark brutal Arthur makes sense for the beginning of the game because he's an outlaw, then when he learns that he's sick he changes.
i want vengeful arther so bad like the voice lines are BADASS if there’s a mod to out these in the game i need it
Vengeful Arthur. Dauuuum! That would have completely changed the game!
This for chapter 1 all the way and the rest for low honer but I’m with high honer it’s a bit rare
Theres also a reference to a girl named Eliza, but in the serial killer lair where you capture Edmud Lowry theres a missing poster of Eliza Bloom on the wall, not sure if its the same girl but it could be intresting
I think if they ever made rdr3 as a prequel to rdr2 it should be about the events right after the death of his son and where we get to see this much colder and brutal Arthur get revenge and try to accept the death of his son and somehow move on
so a prequel game on top of a prequel game that’s just crazy and funny😂