Orac 2.0 Overview and new features
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- version 2, of my open source virtual modular.
this release aims to :
- bring orac to more musicians
- be easier to use
- be more flexible
in this video, I describe what's change and demonstrate many of the new features.
Orac now runs not only on the Organelle (like 1.0), but also a Raspberry PI, and a couple of different Eurorack modules.
This video concentrates on the key features, there will be a couple of short videos covering how to use on a RaspberryPI and Eurorack modules.
Timeline:
06:05 - Remote Control
07:58 - Pd patch remote
09:46 - Push2
11:12 - Functional changes ( showed on Organelle)
11:30 - Router
14:54 - Main Controls
15:29 - MIDI Interaction (Active OG Keyboard)
16:49 - Group modules
17:20 - Presets
18:43 - Modulation
19:28 - Modulation Bus
21:32 - Modulation Macro Controls
22:00 - Sample Management
23:55 - MPE
24:29 - Graphics
25:37 - Scope
27:01 - Final thoughts
(thanks to Antonio for providing me with the timings :) )
Releases:
note: for remote control - you will need Orac and MEC (
#Organelle
Orac patchstorage.com/orac-2-0-for...
MEC - patchstorage.com/mec/
for raspberry pi, bela and nebulae downloads/install,
see my other videos
all
remote clients - patchstorage.com/orac-remote-...
note: organelle needs Organelle OS 3.1 and Pure Data 0.49
(patchstorage.com/pd49update/)
Orac on Patchstorage : patchstorage.com/platform/orac/
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thank you @thetechnobear , honestly can't say it enough. we're so lucky to have you in this community. I'm very exited about 2.0!
It is finding Orac exists that has led to me ordering an Organelle M and a RPi4... SO much potential to exciting things ... inspiring what people can create, and that they can then share freely is just fabulous! Standing on the shoulders of giants ...
Thanks for all your work on this!
this is so genuinely cool. Thank you for your dedication
So nice, full OSC control is awesome! Thanks a lot!
Best birthday present. Thank you, sir!
Awesome! Can't wait to try it on my rpi, thank you!!!
ORAC welcomes new platforms and i'm really happy to see that ! I hope your work will amaze even more people and in turn give back to ORAC ! Lovely piece of software you made there !
Just found out about Orac and its been an absolute game changer. In love with your design! Thanks!!
Absolutley epic update! I believe I will finally be ordering an Organelle in the next day or so. Thank you so much for your dedication and hard work!
Astonishing. Amazing work
My Push 2 comes in the mail tomorrow, this is going to be amazing. Thank you for making this open source! You could make a killing on this I'm sure.
You're great. What incredible work. I bought an Organelle explicitly because of your work on ORAC. Thank you. And hopefully once it shows up I'll be able to lend a hand as well.
Hey Mark! Thanks for all your effort. You've inspired me to dig a bit into PD. It has help me to understand how a synth / patch works. Maybe not doing complex stuff, but enjoying the learning process. The VNC stuff you developed is SO helpful also.
People like you makes the open-source community something very inspiring.
What a legend!! Thanks for all your work it's truly appreciated.
I've taken advantage of the lockdown to finally upgrade to Orac 2 and though I'm a bit late to the party, want to thank Mark for his amazing work. What a top bloke and what an amazing resource Orac is.
oh boy, if i can set up patches on my phone that will be perfect. amazing work!
I do not understand English well, but I am grateful to you for orac, I will try to work with it through trial and error
thank you for the generous work!
Thank you so much. You're a great developer.
OMG. I wrote you lately about how I wanted to re-use my Push2 for a more out-of-the-box workflow (especially your Norns port using RaspbPI+PISound+Push2), but this one finally "blows me out of my socks" ... :D
Since I'm still waiting for the hardware to arrive I can just imagine what a great tinkering platform the combination of Push2 + Orac 2.0 will be ...
So thank you very much for that excellent work!
you're welcome. hope it works well for you.
if you get it working please share, always great to see others projects :)
nice work
Great work thank you
Thank you!
Hey Tim - I'm new to Organelle (love it of course) but I am a longtime Ableton Live user - and have a Push 2 - I grabbed the new Orac and then plugged in my Push 2, but the Push 2 dsiplay didn't display any othe graphics - although the Organelle was reacting to the pads being pushed down - and the P2 seemed to be doing the same - but no graphics appeared on the screen. The Organelle is one of the new 2019 ones and I assumed it was shipped with the latest OS - so, in short, any thoughts on why the graphics are showing on the Push 2 screen?
Really loving your work and your very engaging videos - love your style man :-) - thanks in advanvce if you can shed some light on the graphics thing - cheers Mike
you need to start MEC, and select 'pushkontrol.json' with the encoder.
its best to do this AFTER starting orac, since MEC needs to connect to PD to be able to send notes from the pads.
enjoy :)
@@TheTechnobear thanks a lot Tim - I thought it might be a case of starting things in a certain order - I'll give it a whirl and thanks for the swift response - much appreciated - enjoy your weekend :-)
PUSH 2 yes!!
Is this also working with PUSH 1?
@technobear, thanks for orac 2.0, its awesome. I just got the Organelle-M and downloaded the orac 2.0 but I am seeing some different settings from what's in the video for the ctrl slots, maybe its an update ? For example I don't have note and ctrl option in Main Ctrl 1. Is that expected ?
yeah, this was filmed for the first beta, as I got feedback from users - I added various options, so altered where settings were etc... everything is still available, just possibly on a different page :)
Bless TheTechnobear
This is so good. Thank you Mark! I have a question i struggle with all night. Could you please explain - the Overloop patch is not working as the original one in terms of eternal overlooping? I mean it record, but after it stops, the recording I did only play when I push the button with the recording. Is it okay or I am dumb? Sorry for taking your time.
odd it doesn't do that for me....
what I do is
a) press aux to record
b) press aux to stop recording...
after (b) it immediately starts playing the recorded audio.
I can then (if i want) press a key to play one of the other recordings...
does the above not work for you?
(I assume we are talking Orac 2.0 here, and using the Overloop that I shipped with Orac 2.0, dont use the one from Orac 1.0)
@@TheTechnobear Oh, sorry. I don't know how but it started to work properly... Wow now that's huge for me. Thank you again! Sorry for bothering. All the best Mark, have a nice day!
@@alecyuzhny no worries, glad its working ok for you now
Thanks ! I am interested in Oganelle M - Das organelle support egenharp mini? - ( I so it’s brother in your video) it’s not suppported by iOS anymore…but I am still interested use it….and is it possible to use organelle with harken continuum mini? As a midi mpe+ keyboard or can organelle process mini and be used as fx prosesor or even can trace simple fron cmini directly from device?
Very cool, I want one! Does the remote control app you're showing on the iPhone also work on Android?
Mark Taylor it uses lemur ,which I’m not sure is available on Android or not, if not you would recreate with any app that supports OSC.
( see pure data client as an example)
YESSSSSSS
Your are a genius and your efforts are very very appreciated.
Im trying to get organelle to act as both a synth and a guitar effect with orac 2....i cant quite figure it out. I havent figured out how to get it to be an effect
put the synth on 1 chain, an fx on another chain...
just remember on the fx chain, you need to turn the input gain for that chain on the router.
(its probably better to field questions like this on the C&G forum... better formatting etc, and others can also help you)
Wow! Heroic work dude, thank you!!! The sample shared folder thing seems potentially huge. And the modulation. And all the general workflow improvements. And...and...and... so much! kudos Mark, great job :) Can you also delete samples from the organelle? And I didn’t see how you potentially unlink LFO from a parameter after its assigned, but guessing that’s possible? One huge thing for me would be if there was some way to name presets and samples from the organelle itself. Like if there was a ‘name’ page or combo/shortcut and the keys could become some letters and numbers. Wouldn’t even need the full alphabet, just a handful....enough to name things in a meaningful way. Don’t know if that would be possible/feasible and/or masses of work? But yeah, just thinking out loud now, incredible work on this and PLENTY to be hyped about. I’ll hopefully get time to check it out tomoro. Thanks again!
Ipadodds Chan pesets are folders , if you rename the folder the preset is renamed. Sampkes can similarly just be moved/deleted in the sample directory
You can do both either on the usb stick directly on your computer or via WiFi with the patch manager
I’m loathe to do renaming on Organelle as it’d be so fiddly - easier to on a computer with a proper keyboard.
can it load ANY organelle modules, or just the ones included in the orac folder? I have tried to import others but they don't show up in the folder. Ie 1008, or transient segmenti
no it cannot.
orac modules are a little different to normal patches, since they need to 'co-operate' with other modules .... so like a VST is not a just another application on a computer.
you will find various videos Ive made on how to turn an organelle patch into an orac module, as its a fairly simple process. (many others have done this)
also, check out my previous 'Orac 2: easter egg' video where I show a little special mode which allows you to run ONE organelle patch within orac as a module.
Does this work on PC? I'd quite like to experiment with it but I don't have Pi or Organelle
short answer is yes and no ;)
there is no binary build available, and I don't plan one for desktops, as its not a focus for me for Orac due to my time constraints.
however, if you go to my GitHub repo, then you can find the source and compile it and it should work on a windows PC (though I've only tested on Linux/Mac).
sorry, its not easier - bit its just me, in my personal time - even now it takes a lot of time/energy to continually develop/update and release orac ... so I have to set boundaries and be focused in certain areas.
positively... it is all open source, so if someone else wanted to contribute to desktop builds, that is very possible.
@@TheTechnobear I understand thanks for the info :)
This great but the push 2 coming intro?
Push 2 is already working , just download MEC - then it’s a ‘simple’ matter of configuration. There is a push configuration file supplied, to show what is needed.
I've had luck in the recent past adding new module off patch storage, using the wifi. Now when I upload modules into the orac folders, I can't see the "install [program]" on the organelle
Just copy zop file ‘as is’ too patch’s directory - if you don’t do that it won’t install properly.
Thanks Mark for this massive work.
But I have tried to save the presets a thousand times in every way possible but once I close Orac and turn it on again, nothing I did was saved, Orac returns to the original state.
I really don't know what to do, is there anything I forgot? can someone help me? Explain how to save step by step.
Thanks again
was this on the Organelle?
if so, make sure you install Orac using the 'install Orac' option. do NOT unzip the contents, and transfer as a patch this will NOT work... and will give exactly the symptoms you describe,
you must transfer the ZOP as is to organelle, then on menu select 'Install Orac'
@@TheTechnobear Yes organelle!!
29/5000
Now it works!! thank you! muchas gracias maestro!! uff I was going crazy hahaha
Can you load your own patches to use in the modules?
yes, Ive also created a video to show how to create modules for it.
(these are written in PD)
I just purchased a rPi 4 8gb seems the low latency kernel is not working properly, usb not working, so had to install old November Patchblok OS , I decided today to order the Pi Sound too , anyway I have no clue what this is really all about so i how there will be some tutorials for folks that have zero experience [ zero terminology too ] thanks
May i suggest adding a quick "emptying slot" shortcut. I always find myself having a cool patch and adding one too many module and just being stuck in the menu.
its a good idea, and I understand the issue.
unfortunately it's difficult to come up with extra shortcuts, as most are potentially used by modules/patches, which restricts patch developers 'creativity'- so I've been very careful to not reserve to many for Orac itself.
(basically, its only HOLD encoder , then with various key combos... but Ive used on those up ;) )
that said, I'll think about it, perhaps I can come up with something....
@@TheTechnobear Maybe making a "delete slot module" in the main encoder press menu ? Would still have to get through the menu but if it's at the bottom or the top of the menu it's manageable even with lag. Thank you for all this and the feedback, it's greatly appreciated !
@@Eidraify I don't want this to be too prominent, as clearing a slot is not that frequent a function.
so, whilst i recognise the importance of the issue, it's still a bit of an 'edge' case.
after a while, most users tend to get a bit of a feeling for where the 'limits' are.
note: Im also considering adding some kind of 'cpu' load, so you don't have to exit to the organelle menu to check the current cpu load... but that only marginally helps, since some modules are very expensive on cpu.
idk if a keyboard shortcut as a debug on organelle could work, could be cool
@@TheTechnobear yeah cpu load might help indeed ! I can sometimes feel when the limit is about to break, maybe i should save the preset before testing the limits, i can see how i could fix the issue by changing the way i use orac in general.
Someone may be able to direct me - I saw a comment on one of the other discussions of the new OSC remotes to the effect that they found the timeout on the menus a bit too short (as do I), and Mr The Technobear, in his reply, patiently expounded on which bit of the script to edit. Of course I can't find that now... Does this ring a bell for someone?
no, Ive said the next beta version will have a new parameter - but its not released yet :)
TheTechnobear Thank you!
the amount of value you've given the organelle is ridiculous
Problems with the connectivity between Orac and Beatstep pro: I need the USB to receive the clock from BSP and it works but in channel 1 and that channel interferes with other instruments.
I need to change the channel to receive the clock for example on channel 16, only for clock control and start and stop if possible.
Alberto Bermejo Buisán not sure what you mean - midi clock ( and transport) is a real time message and is **not**broadcast on a midi channel.
@@TheTechnobear Ok I did not explain well sorry, I need to change channel 1 midi which communicates organenlle and BSP for channel 16
@@parafernalia66 so you want to just use midi channel 16? S1 Router - Chain 1 Midi In Channel = 16
but as i said, this will not affect midi clock/transport as these messages are not channel based.
note: you can in orac, in the clock module (S2) , turn on /off midi clock transmission if thats an issue.
btw: its better to discuss this on the C&G forum here : forum.critterandguitari.com/t/orac-2-0/4154
(or on the blokas.io web site for raspberry pi etc)
@@TheTechnobear I try ! yes sorry thanks
yo! can you reupload the zip file on patchstorage? I tried downloading it but it showed up as a "zop" file !
If its for the Organelle, then zop is correct, just copy to Organelle Patches folder and you will be offer the opportunity to install (Organelle OS 3.1)
if its for another platform, this is not the link you are looking for ;) so let me now which you are after.
@@TheTechnobear cool thanks!! I didn't know that, my bad
I have been trying to figure out how to install ORAC on my organelle2 for months... can anyone point me in the right direction?? I can't seem to find a simple installation guide anywhere. At this point I would be willing to pay someone for some clarity so I can finally use this instrument in the way that I hoped to when I bought it. Thank you!
sane process as other organelle patches - download from patchstorage (link in description), copy to usb stick or use wifi to transfer to patches folder.... then reboot organelle, click on 'install Orac' . thats it, no more, nor less ;). btw: C&G forum is a really great place to get help
@@TheTechnobear Thanks so much for the quick reply! I guess I was perplexed about what to do with a .zop file since it can't be unzipped like the other patch file's I've installed on the patch manager
@@rbbybwn that's because its should not be unzipped ;) ... and you also don't need to unzip other files either, the Organelle will handle this itself, and its safer to do so.
I downloaded from patch share and when orac opens there is a drum beat that constantly plays, and it seems to be lacking a great deal of the capability displayed in this and other videos. Unless I have to do programming on my end to make it as user friendly as ive seen, i feel i may be doing something wrong. Please help..
what platform are you running it on?
the Organelle has a full UI,
but the rPI is designed to be 'headless' - since Orac is not designed to be used as a computer application you run on a monitor... on the rPI you set it up with a remote link associating midi CC to important parameters and then use it 'standalone'
(this is shown on my Orac on rPI video - iirc)
TheTechnobear I’m a new organelle M user. It runs on 4.0 which I believe is the latest update. But as far as what platform. I would have no idea other than just the organelle by itself. Are there modifications I have to run to make it stand alone? I’ll try to find your video. Thank you for any and all specific instruction that you can foster.
@@rashams1605 if its on the Organelle-M then you don't need anything else... if the display is not showing anything then something is wrong with the install.
if the display is showing the parameters for the first module then its correct - Id recommend either watching my videos on Orac 2 on the Organelle, or Loopops and Critter and Guitarri -theres' plenty of demos of it :)
TheTechnobear it’s late but I have to reply. I have installed. And it seems like something is wrong. When I open orac a beat is always playing. The modules accessible seam limited. I can’t access fx. And when I check all the folders on my computer everything looks ok. I watched another video and the things that he was doing were totally different then what was accessible with the same keys on mine. My email is shivasaas@gmail.com. If you could please email me a detailed “test” procedure to see if I’m able to do what others can. I would love that. As of now. I have watched several videos. And when I open orac it is already playing a beat. That doesn’t happen in any video I’ve seen. I just need help. I’m really stoked on the organelle. And orac seems like it would make it 10 x crazier. Please email. Thank you for responding too.
It displays parameters
Shape
Color
Timbre
Transpose
On first screen. But it’s already playing a beat. And the beat never goes off.
Ra Shams it sounds like it’s working fine - the drums are a demonstration patch to show its working - you can change to other presets using the menu as demonstrated in the videos by pressing the encoder.
I don’t have any detailed tests.
Please ensure you are watching videos on Orac 2.0 , orac 1.0 was a little different. I’d totally recommend Loopops orac 2.0 video.
does MEC work with push 1?
Sorry, I’ve not got any support for push 1 , as I no longer own one - I traded it for my push 2.
@thetechnobear were i cant dowload the Orac 2.0??????
Aldan Grass which version? ( platform)
@@TheTechnobear I am using the Organelle1 with the last update 4.0
I download the Orac 2.0 in the patchstore but i don't understand how to installed the ZOP file pack please help thanks ✌🏼
@@aldangrass3979 i replied on patchstorage...
put the zop file in the patches directory, then when you mount on Organelle - it will offer an install option.
if you still have issues, please post on C&G forum
@@TheTechnobear Thanks for your instructions what I was missing was to make a file and throw it in there jejeje. thanks and I'm enjoying the Orac having a blast!.Thank again, from the caribbean island.
hmmm the only thing I can't figure out quite is who to recall presets via midi. Could you explain that for me real quick? everything else works as far as midi goes but sending the program change does nothing for me.
Ahhhhh I see. it saves them in order (I was using to high of values because I was trying the 100 for preset - and 101 for preset +... which curiously didn't work but I actually prefer recalling them in more specific fashion anyway.) That's fine I suppose is there anyway to change which program change value is associated with each preset? would make things easier
should work fine, it has to be send on the 'main midi ch',which by default is midi ch 16.
(remember orac can handle multiple midi channels)
@@TheTechnobear Yeah it does just user error on my part. To change midi channels would I do it globally on the organelles main settings? cuz I've noticed when I change it in the "active" page and switch a preset it just goes right back to only recieiving on 16 even after pressing the save
@@francismcfadden3305 thats normal, all data is stored in the preset - there are no global settings for orac -- so you need to change it in for each preset in the router setup page.
@@TheTechnobear Ah ok awesome thanks :). You rule man this has really expanded the function of this device for me, I'm definitely dropping a donation for your work man I can't appreciate this enough my guitar pedal setup is insane now haha. Two more things, it's not a big deal but I've noticed that my input and output leveling is not being displayed. Like I have the meters but there is nothing being shown when audio is pasting through is there just a setting I need to edit or something? Also is there a way to make it so that input level is up by default? I saw somewhere you mention that it's down by default because of noise but I don't have that issue. If it's just a puredata thing I need to edit I could easily do that too but I just don't know where the code would be to do that.
When I download orac it has no presets!
Organelle ? Did you install it? You dont unzip it , the zop file has to be copied as is
how can I delete a preset?
Your have to delete the preset json file ... there is no UI to do this within orac itself.
( same goes for renaming presets)
@@TheTechnobear cool appreciate the info
My orac download has a drum loop playing? How do I turn that shit off?!
this is really obscure... I really dont understand what this does...at all... patchbox does not need this, like, at all to play with pd and save presets or whatever
Orac is best thought of as a modular application, where the modules can be programmed in PD.
this means you can combine modules dynamically without opening the PD editor!
of course like any applicaiton, its not for everyone, use whatever works for you to make music.
@@TheTechnobear so it launches multiple instances of pd ? I mean, I can launch my patches from the command line, and the whole thing is commanded from buttons/keyboards and displayed on a screen...pisound itself has a button you can program to launch patches...and jack allows for programs to connect audio and midi
so I don't see where orac brings something new (at least on raspberry pi)
@@curtisnewton895 no... it dynamically builds a pure data patch composed of subpatches... and allows them to communicate e.g. one module might be a synth module, another a reverb , it allows the user to select these, and then combine them and passes audio between them... its also exposes each modules 'parameters' so that the user can update them.
probably best idea is to watch my Orac on the Organelle video... and bare in mind the modules that I load are all in PD, so users can create new modules for modules that will automatically show up in the UI.
of course the PiSound has no fixed UI, so this is done via a remote application or something like a Push 2 as a display.
I think what your missing, is that this is all dynamic and requiress no technical knowledge on the users part.
as I said earlier... if you find combining patches using jack/pd what you need then you might not be the target audience .. use what you know and make music :)
you're into music - how about wearing a lav? can't hear sh.