Amazon SMEARS Tolkien Fans AGAIN
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2022
- The team behind Amazon's The Rings Of Power decided to post a scathing Twitter statement, denouncing what they allege is poor treatment of the cast by Tolkein loyalists... Is there any truth to those claims? Or is this just an attempt by Amazon to deflect from negative fan reviews?
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I mean, if they're so adamant in painting the audience as their enemies then I shall employ my most sacred and powerful weapon as an audience member: Not watching the show.
Hey that's my weapon
@No Stop I had to give up even 'aghast-watching' with the blatantly anti-white, misandrist scene on the raft, where two white men don't want to allow Gladdy on the raft and a woman of color intervenes to allow her on board. The racism made it simply unwatchable, and that's before getting into the anti-white racism that is race swapping, which assumes all white experience is identical and thus unimportant and replaceable, the kind of thinking that is the foundation of all racism.
Haven't watched middling errth rings of woke yet doubt I'll bother. Why be insulted twice?
Ive watched the first 2 episodes and it was so boring..... Cant be bothered with it at all. Im probably not part of the target audience and thats fine. Amazon calling me racist for that doesnt bother me one bit, I am no racist so who cares what they have to say. The show is boring af period. Dont let them get you worked up and never let others define you.
@@Ozclusive Being called a quote 'racist' in 2022 means about as much as being called a stinky poo poo doodie head by a five year old.
They nred to give it a rest; it's just not a good show. Personally, i believe it's offensive that multi-billion dollar corporations hide behind people of color and use them as meat shields to deflect criticism whenever they decide to release a substandard product.
As a "poc" (I hate that term), yes, I feel more insulted and unwelcome when they do this. Saying we're now welcome? Please give me a break, as if I had never been welcomed. I never felt unwelcome at all, and I could enjoy LoTR just fine without seeing my own skin colour in the films, which is fine. If I want to see my own skin there's a lot of good fantasy Asian movies too, I don't need a story from Europe for that.
@@aibhe I never understood what is the different between person of color and colored person.
@@aibhe Word! 👏👏
@@aibhe its really fuucking rasist to think that all people think a like if they share same pigment rate.
You have to wonder at this point if they are even trying to be "diverse" or are literally just casting to set up their defence strategy.
The criticism Amazon fears the most is silence. Don't watch, don't talk about it, let it quietly fade away.
That's exactly it! But people keep making videos about it. They don't care if you love it or hatewatch it, as long as it gets 1) attention and 2) money.
Except if this is a money loundering scheme. 1 billion dollar show? Really?
I think that's exactly what must be done, just going totally silent about it. Pretend it doesn't exist.
I think they are last that point. It's going out like a bag cherry bombs and dog turds.. 😅
Like Wheel of Time, which has quickly faded away.
They make it sound like racism was never a thing in Tolkien's writing. The entire reason the Fellowship was significant is because none of these races wanted to work with each other. Literally one of the first things they did when they met to discuss the Ring was to hurl insults at each other. Elves hate dwarves for being greedy and selfish, dwarves hate elves for being arrogant and self important, and they both hate Men for being somewhere in between the both of them, and Men hate them for the same reasons they hate each other. Legolas and Gimli's whole character arc was about them overcoming their racism. Part of the reason Gandalf chose a Hobbit to carry the Ring was because they were detached from all that, they didn't care about ancient rivalries or resurrecting their dying kingdom. They just wanted to do the job and go home. There was no chance they would try to use the Ring for anything other than what Gandalf wanted them to do
Also, most medieval folklore is British/European. Next is black King Arthur.
You get my like good sir.
@@livelarge2452 There are genuine examples of non white people being involved in European history. For example, there was an Ethiopian Roman senator who was born a slave and earned his citizenship through serving in the army. There's also an off hand reference to an Ethiopian soldier in one of the legions at Hadrian's wall. In southern Europe, blacks and Arabs have been ever present thanks to close trade relations. Even one of the Norse sagas mentions a Jarl who marries a Mongolian woman. Interesting fact about that, the saga describes that the first children she bore him, twin boys, were "brown and ugly, like their mother." He was away at the time they were born, and expecting her husband would be angry when he saw that neither of the children looked like him, she gave one of the boys to a blond slave girl in exchange for her own son. While non white people do have a notable presence in European history, racism is simply a fact of life, no matter what region or time period you look at
Shh they need the anti white rhetoric to succeed. Facts get in the way of that goal
@@filmandfirearms Roman history isn’t medieval history. You are right tho rome was quite diverse. Back then they invaded anyone regardless of race and subjugated them lmao.
Amazon: We want more diversity, make some dark skinned elves!!
But elves were born under starlight and don't suffer the same effects from the sun....
Amazon: We don't care!! More diversity!!
Well, then why not use Tolkien's brown-skinned Haradrim for your show
Amazon: Who?
And then they go and put just one dark skinned elf, lol. They are idiot.
Drop the mic!!
This woke Hollywood is a nightmare.
It's ruined what Holywood outputs for so many.
"Wicked obstinate killjoy extremists" is what we have said and EXSURGE TOLKIEN COUNTER RINGS OF POWER HERESY!
I miss the good ol days back circa 2007 before shit got weird
Nightmare?
Joke.
No expectations once the classics settled in, one moves on, and doesn't budge for that "like old times" stuff.
@@manubishe they are incapable of making a good rework. You want changes and you will have them - but you will be swimming in a septic tank 😅
Unfortunate that Amazon is making everything regarding The Rings of Power about race, but they started the ball rolling by making everything about race. Their casting decisions were based on race and gender. So it's only natural that the audience would take notice and weigh in on wether it's appropriate to hire actors that may not fit the various roles. Thats not racism. That is criticism. Everyone has the right to criticize what they deem that may not be faithful to Tolkien's vision. However. Regardless the diverce cast, the show is still a poorly written poorly acted and directed series.
If there were accolades for the casting they would be there talking about how brilliant they are. But it's the opposite, so WE'RE racists. They're playing heads I win, tails you lose.
''weehhh, race, gender'' - incels
Imagine if we had a Canadian, Irish or Japanese MLK, Malkom X or Frederick Douglass. Sometimes the race of the person you cast is important and deviating from that is an overt distraction while viewing. I'm all for diversity but when its self serving and doesn't make sense relative to the source material it really can stand out in a negative way that detracts from the momentum of the story.
Tolkien is published in over 60 languages. Plenty of them African or Asian.
Exactly!
They've decided any review bringing up Galadriel as a warrior (she's a mage) is sexist, and bringing up why a black elf makes no sense from a lore perspective, racist. Even though most fans would have watched an 80% POC cast if they were Haradrim from the lore. They could have even made a case for a black dwarf from the South, but they didn't even try. They just said "black elf, black dwarf, get over it." They delete these reviews. They screen out everything that mentions anything like that. I'm sad for their POC cast members being used as shields. Criticism isn't harrasment.
I don't understand the thinking here.
Amazon meeting: "Those fans like the guys from the original movies, right? So let's get those guys to label the fans as bigots. That'll win the fans over, right?"
It's crazy right? I have a theory I believe pretty strongly in. It's a combination of financial greed (Bezos wants to win a streaming war so he has to have big name properties like LOTR), and the need to be seen as PC. Amazon treats its warehouse staff pretty bad (and half or more of those staff are not white), so to be PC they have a policy to ensure 30% diversity (this is documented). From Bezos' position, it's all just about having the right appearance while they try to get market share. I don't think this is his 'crusade' - it's just about money. But for the showrunners - it's more serious. Some of them believe this woke stuff no doubt, but I reckon others are also just toeing the line, because they bet it will get them jobs, since Hollywood is totally on the woke bandwagon.
It's not about money anymore, but about serving the woke cult.
That is, until they start actually running out of money, just ask Batgirl....
Yes, you aren't real Tolkien fans. You are fans of the Jackson movies and think that means you're LotR fans.
It’s an endless cycle in Hollywood now:
✅ Big Franchise
✅ Announce new sequel, spin-off, etc.
✅ Hire a bunch of inclusion writers that don’t know the source material
✅ They make the movie way too political and divisive
✅ Audience hates it for justified reasons
✅ Producers ignore valid criticism and smears the “racist” stain on the fans
Been through the whole thing with Star Wars already😁
No he created a world that had multiple cultures, but multiculturalism is a different thing.
As a so called person of colour, i can say that Amazons, and their sympathisers campaign of labelling fans and critics as racist is utter bs. I'm starting to get really fed up with them speaking for us as if we don't have voices and criticisms of our own. Besides, even if you completely ignore the issues around their casting choices, the show is still not good. I'll never fathom how these production companies ever thought it was a good idea to constantly attack their own customers, let alone the Tolkien Fanbase.
It's white saviour complex, isn't it? Two white male showrunners, claiming everyone else is racist and sexist.
It's like imagine owning a restaurant and everytime a customer complained "my baked potato is hard inside", "there's a fly in my soup", "I asked for carrots as the side and you gave me peas", etc, your response was to accuse them of just being racist misogynistic bigots for not accepting what YOU decided was best for them... How long do you think you'd be in business for?
This is something that bugs me the most with these types of productions, and all the propaganda that inevitably follows. It all seems so shallow. Casting a person based on their skin colour and waving banners about it reeks of tokenism, which is about as far removed from respectful inclusion as you can get. It's a tick box exercise in which actors are actually being used as mascots. It's blatantly one sided too, as it always seems to be about race swapping a white for a black actor, usually British or American, which is pretty insulting to the majority of non white people across all the world's continents.
So what color are you? Blue, yellow purple, orange, green...?
@@TheBlockbuster1982 is this meant to be funny?
Coloured is what the rest of the world calls me. I'm mixed Anglo-Caribbean, but I could never identify as anything other than coloured as that's the way the world sees me.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm just another human being.
Fighting Amazon is like performing an exorcism: you know it's working because they resorted to shit talking more frequently and louder! :)
I was tolerant of all the crap thru were pulling till now, but this was very low even for them. Weaponising the cast of the Peter Jackson trilogy against fans is another spit in fan's faces
I feel like these LOTR actors have no clue about ROP or why fans are rejecting it. Some Amazon rep told them racism was taking place. They took that that rep's word in good faith, and posed for a couple of low effort virtue signal photos for the cause.
@@LeviAckerman-cb5ji I'm really hoping that's the case
@@LeviAckerman-cb5ji i really hope that is true!! Seeing that picture of the hobbits broke my heart
@@dv4975 From what I've seen over the years, these four are overall good, down to earth people. They love what they do, and are great with fans. At worst, this was an ignorant and naive move in their part, in times when one can afford to be neither.
But I have no doubt (unlike most actors) they thought they were standing up for fans.
@@LeviAckerman-cb5ji lol you're no fans
The gaslighting is off the roof with Amazon. Also I am starting to despice the term POC. Why am I being grouped together with everyone who is not white?
100% agree. It’s treated like a politically correct term but the irony is that it is still completely euro-centric, they have this idea that there is only 2 categories of humans; white people and everyone else
Peter Jackson's lotr trilogy cost 291 million and it was a masterpiece. Amazon spent 1 billion for rings of power and its a gigantic turd. Maybe Amazon should have spent the money on good screen writers rather than SJWs.
The menu said pastrami on rye, but what they brought you is a giant turd on whole wheat... And when you complain they call you a bigot for not just taking what they gave you.
To be a little fair, that 291 mil in 2001 turns into about 500 mil with current inflation.
But even then that's still half the budget of this trainqreck. And the visuals still look better (practical effects everywhere ftw).
You're a fan of the Jackson movies. Not a Tolkien fan.
Amazon with the help of Disney having their back through tweets brought a whole new meaning to "Streaming Wars". The war is now against us!
The races of elves, men, and dwarves (ESPECIALLY the elves) were described very...specifically...in terms of certain aspects of their appearance. Saying the "hurr deee durrr der wuz difurant races!" is incredibly disingenuous and a very poor excuse for forced diversity. It's not the same thing as shoe-horning in "color" into races without any explanation or foresight into why they're there or why they exist in the first place.
You could explain that a darker complexion person came from Harad, but even then it wouldn't make any sense because there's no indication in any of Middle-Earth's history that there was much, if any, cross exposure of those differing cultures and even if there was it would be considered A VERY BIG DEAL AND WOULD BE TALKED ABOUT IN GREAT DETAIL!
Tolkien did mention the Harfoots as having a *slightly* darker complexion but that's comparing them to the Fallohides who were compared often to the Elves and were extremely fair-skinned so trying to pass them off as black still doesn't work (And don't give me that bull that Harfoots aren't hobbits, they are one of the three categories of Hobbits mentioned by Tolkien himself. That's like saying that a great-dane isn't a dog, it's just a great-dane).
That doesn't mean that POCs can't enjoy LOTR, that doesn't mean everything needs to be all-white all the time. It would make sense in fantasy worlds like GoT or TES to be more diverse, even in a fantasy like Harry Potter, I just hate when franchises lean WAAYYYY too hard into the diversity thing (looking at you Hogwarts Legacy, never realized 19th century Britain was so...colorful) and it's super obvious why and that they're just shoe-horning stuff in where it doesn't belong or takes me out of the fantasy.
If there was a fantasy epic based on South or West African folk-lore (which would be really interesting to see as I don't think anyone has ever done it before) it would completely take me out of it if a random white person or asian chick just popped up out of nowhere with no explanation. It's the same thing.
Well this changes everything, I want to watch now, says almost no one. Not sure if they think this is going to dissuade vocal critics or encourage fence sitters to watch but I don't think it will change much one way or another.
Regarding former cast members being roped into this: a billion dollars will buy you a lot of loyalty, especially when the cast gets to virtue signal at the same time.
If racism is an issue why is Galaderial the Great White Savior?
Good point! Lol
I have always thought that first you need a story people are interested in. Then a good script to tell the story. Good actors to portray the script. Then add a good production team. And take your chances that it will all work together. Last cross your fingers and hope people will like it. Just my guess.
I have a phd in philosophy.
In ethical debate ad hominum arguments are always seen as a bad thing, that is arguments of the form:
"You only say that because your a so and so."
What I find interesting, is how often these are employed.
Rather than addressing a person's argument, it's much easier just to cry "racist", or "sexist", and hold that as the reason for any criticisms, since obviously if a person is simply a bigot, their criticisms don't mean anything and don't need to be addressed.
This quite aside from the fact that by employing the massive moral force of an accusation of racism or sexism, two seriously nasty things; at least in their actual forms, you also prompt people to stand up and defend you who otherwise might not, simply because they are strongly against! racism and sexism.
And the ultimate irony of all of this, is that by accusing everyone of racism or sexism, you actually cheapen the very point and meaning of the concepts of racism or sexism in and of themselves, which will ultimately have a knock on effect.
"wokeness disgusts me."
- uchiha madara, 2022 -
Due to the behavior of Amazon, I wouldn't watch "the Rings of Power" in a million years - even if it WERE good. I will never support such corporate fascism and lies with my own money.
Absolutely, it's appalling behaviour, except it's neo-Marxist rather than fascism because they divide groups up based on immutable characteristics and then assign each group a power struggle role. Garbage but clearly Marxist. Personally I think that both ideologies smell the same.
Watching a play, or a film requires some suspension of belief and black elves and black dwarfs makes the suspension of belief impossible because it is a constant reminder of "current year politics". If the wanted to have "POC" actors it would have been fine, they could have done a story about the Easterlings and the two Blue wizards. Also I don't like the whole female warrior/men are all weak cowardly assholes dynamic.
It's not even "current year politics", it's the fact that there's pretty much only one of each: one Elf of color, one Dwarf of color, maybe a couple Hobbits of color. Like, if they wanted to really to be diverse, they would have more of them, at least as background characters. The fact that there's just one breaks the suspension of disbelief, as well as pointing out the obvious tokenism of having just one character of color for the sake of having the character of color. I won't even get into the fact that closed societies, like the Dwarves in Khazad-Dum for instance, are going to be a homogenous color simply through the fact of limited breeding potential.
Hitchens' razor: The burden of proof or onus in a debate lies with the claim-maker, and if he or she does not meet it, the opponent does not need to argue against the unfounded claim. If people are attacking the actors specifically over race, that is wrong and needs to be addressed. But again, no real evidence was provided. Personally, I think they are upset that the Tolkien fandom aren't just rolling over and taking it as expected. Guess we're doing something right eh? Keep it civil and firm dear friends,
Just watched one episode and that was enough for me. They tried to make a thing out of a thing that doesn't exist and it shows. Movies were a success since they were based on books but this time, it's not. We all know this was a cash grab for Amazon.
'The Sandman' is another example on how you can have a great and very diverse show. Leave politics out of entertainment and write a great story!
I dont have words. Its sad moment for me. I adored these guys for years. :( I hope they did it becouse of ignorance about the real issues and due to blind trust about what a big greedy corpo is telling them (without hearing the other side) not becouse they are liking the politics of Amazon.
They did it for money. Lol. When is the last time you saw them work?
Dominic Monaghan and Billy Boyd did it for money, for sure. They're both has-beens who shill for just about anything on their podcast. Elijah Wood is really well off, he doesn't need the money, and he generally keeps to himself. He likely just doesn't know or care about what's going on.
I know what you mean. I actually think they did it because of pressure to be politically correct. Imagine: this company or Amazon approaches them and says "hey will you endorse our thing stating inclusivity with money going to a diversity type charity?". If they say no, and it's publicised they said no, they'll be branded as racist, and that'll make it (even) harder for them to get work.
Also note - while Amazon publish this as if to say "the original hobbits approve of the casting choices we've made".....the only thing the T shirt ACTUALLY says is "all are welcome". Which could be taken to mean 'all types of people are welcome to watch, welcome to be fans'. Not 'all types of skin tones will be found in every race in Middle Earth'. It's a small distinction i know...they have to at least _look_ like they are being supportive. But Elijah expressed concern in an interview when the Amazon show was announced. Right now, he may just have to keep up appearances.
@@dewulfe9913 I agree their hands seem tied. I don't hate them for it but it sucks they THEMSELVES are deafly painting the fandom racist too and ignoring the shows actual problems
@@nebnik2015 I couldn't agree more. Sean Astin (Samwise) isn't in the picture. I wonder why? The three in the pic are British so...maybe they were all at home and Sean was off filming somewhere. Could be a great excuse at the same time tho.
Again, people put a bad product on screen, and again they blame the audience for it not succeeding. When will they learn that attacking your own fans is a bad idea?
I'm so happy other people see it the way I do. Thank you for the vids ❤️
My complaints about the show were never about race either
5:14 look at those smug, self congratulating faces. They're not in it for anything but self gratification, they just like how their feigned moral superiority makes them feel nice inside, everything else be damned.
Given that it's supposed to be 200 years before LOTR, perhaps the idiots can explain what happened to all the B.lack Elves and Harfoots? They all died out? What happened to them?
lol that would require them to have the ability to come up with an actual plot that would make sense for the erasure of all black dwarves and elves and the show runners have no writing talent soo good luck with that.
Actually more than 3000 years
@@jurgenparkour9337 Where'd you get that? Everything I've seen or read all says 200 years. Even so, you'd expect these woke jokes to make sure b.lack elves rose to dominance over the w.hite tyranny they love to bitch about 🤣. No idea what they'd do to keep the harfeet around. Maybe some passing alien mutated them all into Hobbits just for giggles. 😃
Why are people still buying books, watching movies. Buying merchandise and dressing up? Because they love the world. It has meaning for them. A special place with in their lives. This is an abomination to that
Amazon is so fixated on appearing anti-racist that their actions and choices are in fact racist themselves, regardless of whether well meaning or not. But what do you expect from what’s essentially an online superstore? To not be intellectually devoid of any creativity? To not swing their pp around quantifying quality in dollar amounts? That’s all they know how to do. They say they’re trying to help people relate? Ok Amazon, name one relatable character from the first 3 episodes. They just don’t know what they’re doing because the production itself only has profits in its sight. The same thing that forced the Hobbit from a watchable and fun 4 hour movie to what it became.
Imagine a well-made television show set in Umbar/Harad/Khand. Following the blue wizards. Encountering the black Numenorians, maybe even the upcoming Mouth of Sauron. People would be thrilled and no one would be upset about the darker skin colour of most of the actors, simply because it would make sense in the world of Middle Earth.
Well, multicultural doesn't mean multi-racial (if you buy into dividing people into races based on skin colour). Danish culture (North European/North Germanic/Scandinavian) is another culture from the English (Germanic (anglo-saxon)-Romanic-Celtic with clear inputs from Scandinavia). English and Scottish cultures are also different. So why does multiculture have to mean different skin colour?
I managed to get all of ten seconds into the show before I gave up in disappointment.
Do you remember the bit in Amadeus where Salieri writes a march to welcome Mozart?
Mozart sits down and plays it through, from memory after a single hearing.
Then plays it through again, and then stops, says "wouldn't it be better if we did...", makes a minor change, and turns something that was rather plodding into something delightful.
Episode 1 opens with a black screen and background music. The music was clearly inspired by Howard Shore, but written by someone with less than half the talent.
By the time the second phrase was half done, before any image appeared, I turned it off.
Was it because I am a racist? I don't see how. I've actually defended racial diversity in LOTR. There are, after all, three distinct groups making up the hobbits, with different histories, different characteristics, and different skin colors. There are seven clans of dwarves, and multitudinous groups of elves and men. If the director decided to cast Blacks as Harfoots or Asians as Ironfists I'd have no trouble with it, provided that the characters were interesting.
But I gave up before I saw a single character, simply because the background music was tedious.
I just think of the endless opportunities they could have used by casting POC from Rhun and Harad. Told uncanonical stories from the region and make them travel outside and showcase the discrimination due to how others would often look at them as evil. That wouldn't be on the nose and they could even write in a group of them as heroes in their own uncanonical stories.
Instead they throw in not so subtle scenes like the prison camp or the bar scene to prove the same point.
Lotr is actually about racism as well. Most of the races in the world dont get along and even despise each other. The beauty of the story is that despite the differences they find common ground and unite together to stand against the big issues. If you just make the cast diverse and dont even acknowledge it in the story, you completely miss the point of the whole story
I'M A TOLKIEN FAN. and at no point in time have I EVER considered myself a POC Tolkien fan until these assholes PUT ME in that category. Now I HAVE to mention it just to get myself OUT of this category. For instance, AS a poc Tolkien fan, I AM NOT OKAY WITH ALL THIS BULLSHIT WEAK MENTALITY, DIVERSITY AND REPRESENTATION. I simply want my Tolkien stories to reflect the thematic material he worked so hard to achieve. As a creator, I would not want anyone changing my shit 60years later in order to push an agenda. STOP USING AMAZON. Otherwise you'll just keep funding the woke agenda.
What a shame that the POC cast and fans of Rings of Power have been getting racially abused by the crowd at BYU Volleyball games.
I liked the part where Harry Potter was sipping on his sparkling water, and asked Sauron “what colour is your Bugatti”. Such an amazing show
Your commentary is needed and spot on. I don't even particularly like LOTR, I just see this happening everywhere to everything, even just to women in sewing circles who are now all apparently racist too. Thank you.
They finally turned ratings back on. 57% give it 5 stars... Then you read the 5 star reviews and it is very obvious these are bot reviews. They sound the same. They give the same talking points in the same order. This is is pathetic. i'm just about to cancel my Prime account.
Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it.
It began with the forging of the Ring Of Power series. Bad Script were given to the Tolkien Fans, Commoner, wisest and fairest of all beings. Diversity to the series, great dialogue and backstory of the Prime Video. And new, New Actress were gifted to the Series, who above all else desire fame. For within these Series was bound the strength and the will to govern each show. But they were all of them deceived, for another Series was made. Deep in the land of Amazon, in the office of Amazon Company, the Amazon forged a master series, and into this series he poured his Diversity, his Racist Issue and his Ban Review to dominate all life.
One Series to rule them all.
One by one, the free lands of JRR Tolkien fell to the power of the Series, but there were some who resisted. A last alliance of JRR Tolkien Fans and Commoner marched against the Amazon Prime Video, and on the very slopes of Amazon Rating, they fought for the freedom of Original LOTR Trilogy. Victory was near, but the power of the Series could not be undone.
Gimli: "That Still only count as One Bad Series!"
Without respect, we reject.
Great video, 100% on the race swapping, Tolkien created a fantastic and amazing world and these people are just destroying it. The Elves in the LOTR movies were magical physically and verbally in their movement and dialogue. The elves in rings of power are like humans with pointy ears. Then the main character is nothing like what Tolkien envisioned and could probably destroy superman with one hit.
you are Jackson fans, not Tolkien fans
The Queen of England saw Rings of Power and died from cringe.
I hope it tanks!!!!!
I find their reaction highly disturbing. It shows a lack of basic logic or understanding reality. We just want a fun story with good actors, I don't care who!
I hope the RoP cast stand in solidarity with the Amazon workers being relentlessly exploited on a daily basis.
AMAZON: Are we terrible at adapting Tolkien?
ALSO AMAZON: No... no, it's the fans. Yes, indeed, the fans are the foolish ones.
Is it worse than the Last Jedi? I don't know anything about Lords of the Rings
Yeah
Yes .
This makes Last Jedi look faithful.
The fight scenes are worse than 1990's era Hurcules and Xena shows. And those shows were low budget back then
No, Rings of Power is miles better than The Last Jedi and people are overreacting since Rings of Power is barely woke. It's actually a good show.
Tolken had lands beyond middle earth where people were darker. It's also where he hinted the two blue wizards traveled. It would have been super interesting if they had explored that
About you comment on HOTD; I myself was at first skeptic about the raceswapping, however though the actor playing Corlys is a freaking badass. He is a really good actor, and he has such a strong precense, a bit like a Pirate, so him beeing the Seasnakeactually makes sense. In comparison the the Rings of Power it feels like some of the POC Characters are there for diversity sake only. For example Lenny Henry's character, his performance was simply not good, and it was not his skincolor but his lack of acting skills I did not like.
It is kinda laughable that fans that have any criticism get labled racists and what not. It just shows how desperate they try to defend a bad show.
That's how it is any folks I see talking about it label anyone with a negative response as a, "Toxic, incel, neck beard."
I know from certain who individuals who have connections to the show that it was a knightmare behind the scenes. people were fired left and right, writers couldn't agree what story they wanted to tell, the show was originally about a young Aragorn, some wanted to adapt the Silmarillion but didn't have the adaption rights to the book, the Tolkien estate giving them a long list of things they could and couldn't do on the show such as referencing the movies (even though the showrunners wanted to connect ROP to the movies) writers being fired because they wanted to insert more woke elemets into the show and was met with disapproval, a Tolkien scholar being fired, Jeff Bezos allegedly visiting the set and was furious on what he saw and demanded changes to be made in the middle of shooting. All in all, this show was produced with everyone's hands tied behind their backs, not really knowing what they wanted to do and the clock was ticking, and the best they could come up with was fan fiction.
I was told I was a conspiracy nut when I said to people who observed and were in the industry that critics, more or less, knew what they'd like before it came out. They knew which actors to lavish with acclaim for various reasons while giving table scraps to another, though never damning this second group. They knew which projects to ignore, which to review but not exactly uphold since they had other projects in the queue to push forward since those careers were a priority at the time.
Maybe my own intuition and observations weren't so off base. Maybe I was in the ballpark - much closer to hitting a home run than what others thought.
This is perfect !!! You’re exactly spot on, thank you 🙌🙌🙌
So much amber Heard "I'm sorry to all women" Energy coming from this
If they're going to make things up they had a golden opportunity to include new characters from the "poc" lands that Tolkien just didn't write much about.
Hollywood is so damned braindead though I'm not sure if they're even aware of it and if they are then they've shown that they just don't care about creating an intelligently crafted, authentic world as Tolkien and Jackson did...which also shows how idiotic they are.
Instead there are black dwarves, Hobbits, elves with no context as to why they are there as if genetics aren't a thing.
Odd how racists only attack bad shows.
I gotta give to Amazon thou..spending 1 billion dollars just to try and send a message and not care about making money..thats commitment.
They say ROP are gonna bring in some trans elves and pansexual dwarf storylines.
I watched the first episode and was so bored that I decided to re-watch The Tick instead. The story and acting of The Tick are so much better than rings of powers.
It's not about money anymore, but about serving the woke cult.
That is, until they start actually running out of money, just ask Batgirl...
Not even the elves look like elves
On Rings of Power there are only humans... The only non-human I've seen so far was the snow-troll and I'm not really sure about it.
I was soo waiting for your take on this!
Thanks for covering this topic Lauren..it’s appreciated!
You know, no one talks about the show at work. That is really encouraging:)
I always get very frustrated when people associate diversity exclusively to skin colors. I understand it's a big issue in the US but diversity goes beyond that and sexual orientation. The Lord of the Ring is an allegory, discrimination can be represented, implied, and explored through methafores, it doesn't have to be so literal. I love sci-fy and aliens society are used to represent such issue, Star Treck is a perfect example of that
I am on IMDb having worked on productions such as spiderman 2… I wonder… if Rings of Power cast and crew can label fans racists for being critical of their work… couldn’t I as an Asian American call them racists for not including a single Asian actor thus far in their work? It’s in my opinion that the show in its entirety is amateur at best. They hired show runners with zero experience in Hollywood, the director of Wheel of Time, and actors whom haven’t had much success in past works to partake in the largest budget tv series to date. This tv series needs to be recast to have any chance of making it three to five seasons as they have planned. The writing needs to be better. The cinematography needs to be better. Lastly, it wouldn’t surprise me if the money for the show is being fraudulently mismanaged in some way.
P.S. I see you fellow Asian! Herro
I'm at the point that I don't watch TV or movies. Just CZcams. And even that is getting old.
How DARE we know the lore. In the days that went before.
If they wanted to be multicultural more in line with a Tolkien vision why didn't they make all elves Asian, all the men black and dwarves Hispanic? Tolkien was multicultural and hobbits looked like hobbits, Orks looked like Orks except for the super Orks who didn't get along all that well with others.
Yes! I think Asian elves could have worked really well. All of those closely knit groups (Harfoots, Dwarf clans, etc.) should look consistent, but it didn't have to be white. Ah, if only showrunners actually cared about diversity.
Tolkien represented Asians in one of the three Rhûn /Easterlings ethnicities along with Persian and Turkish. Khamûl was the king of the Rhûn, powerful sorcerer that became the second in command of the Nazgul after being corrupted by one of the nine rings.
I keep finding so many cool channels in the midst of all the criticism of Rings of Power. Awesome stuff!
Amazon has apparently hired the PR firm that used to work for Lucasfilm.
Pride is one of the seven sins. Arrogance on the other hand is hubris.
“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” Martin Luther King
AMAZON: Let's hire and cast roles primarily based on the color of their skin.
They're using racism as a shield against criticism against the show.
Still not watched it. Getting labled meaningless empty buzzwords just fills me with even more reason not to watch it.
The _"Tolkien"_ still included in this series has become _"token."_
If they wanted multi cultures, why didn't they bring over charcters from the East of Middle Earth
Social justice and wokism are the religion. As someone who came out of a cult I see exactly the same behaviour. No one is allowed to question and if their beliefs are called out you are attacked.
Shows just how far our society has fallen when an open minded, respectful individual who is only providing constructive criticism of a piece of media is slammed as a racist despite being of colour?????
Wanna see a good incorporation of black people into Lord of the Rings? Look at the Middle-Earth: Shadow of War game. Amazing game, first of all, and includes Baranor, a Gondorian that was born in Umbar. Initially a slave following a raid by Gondor, he was adopted as a son by a wealthy family in Minas Tirith, and became a Captain of the Guard. That's a major deal, and he's black. I never once frowned upon him; in fact, I thought he was one of the coolest characters. He had a background, he showed his worth, he was fun. On the other hand, I disliked the character of Idril; she felt kinda flat and like she was there just because she was a woman. To her credit, she acknowledged that she wasn't the best soldier and was there to do her duty since her father was a general, if I recall correctly. Even so, she didn't feel like she fit in. Baranor fit perfectly, because he was well developed and deserved his spot.
Have you read the books?
@@reek4062 Several times; have you? My first read was in my second semester of third grade through my first semester of 4th grade. That included The Hobbit and The Silmarillion, all 3 primary books, and even into the appendices when I was bored in class. There are no black dwarves - the closest potential candidates would be one of the four clans that dwelt in the East, in the areas of Rhûn or beyond. Even then, those dwarves have no note of having an unusual skin tone, and they are all still noted as dwelling underground. No black dwarves underground unless they're covered in dirt.
Umbar, on the other hand, was a region south of Gondor, near the coast. This, along with Rhûn, was where you were most likely to see darker-skinned men. The Men of Rhûn resembled moreso our Mediterranean and Middle Eastern skin tones and cultures, while those of Umbar would be more akin to those of North Africa. There are black men, and while generally in territories hostile toward Gondor, some of those Men were a part of Gondor, and some did very well for themselves (such as Baranor).
Professional victims: "it's happens to me everyday!"
Me: "then it'll will be easy for you to provide evidence"
PV: silence "you're (insert insult that usually involves my Asian wife and mail order brides)"
"...people are willing to let certain things slide so long as the show is enjoyable"
THAT has been the key element of the brainwashing of western cultures over the past 50+ years.
You know all those two-fisted women beating up men twice their size that culminated in Brie Larson?
That came about as a result of the wonderfully enjoyable "Raiders of the Lost Ark". That was one of, if not the, first time a woman punched a man in a movie and it was taken seriously, not a comedic moment where she looked silly.
but the movie was extremely enjoyable, so this butch female was tolerated, even celebrated... and so in other, later movies, the tolerance became acceptance became the reality of today's entertainment.
Amazon should have better pre-pared for this. They ideally should have given the cast a number of social media managers and such. The cast shouldnt have to log on to twitter to see messages of hate from random idiots - but as well Amazon should be paying for social media managers and councelling/support too. But I bet theyve been fed to the wargs. Scapegoats for a narrative.
I don’t think any actor or show director actually like Tolkiens works. Hence all the bs here in the show their political agenda at play
Reviewers/Critics: The show sucks.
Amazon: You're a Racist
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Best response to Amazon? Go woke, go broke, just suck it up. Easy peasy 😁
Aw, come on! I expected better from the Hobbits!
The reason that this show is sinking is that it looks down. The Lord of the Rings trilogy looked upward more.
How people can't see through this is beyond me, they turn up with premade goddamn t shirts!? Way to stay relevant guys.
I don’t think the Star Wars Bar was diverse enough.