Doctor Who Season 1 Chaos: Russell T Davies CONFUSED MESSAGES on Dr Who
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Join Time Agent Brendan as he delves into the chaos surrounding the upcoming Season 14 of Doctor Who. With the new showrunner Russell T Davies at the helm, there seems to be confusion and mixed messaging about the direction of the beloved sci-fi series. Stay tuned as Brendan unravels the contradictions and uncertainties surrounding the new season, leaving fans wondering if even Davies himself is puzzled about where the show is headed.
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I'm starting to wish RTD had never come back to Doctor Who. It's starting to feel like the beginning of the end for Disney Who before it's even begun.
I'm willing to give it a go before judging it.
@purefoldnz3070 I'll give it a try as well, but I have big doubts and reservations now.
Well said Brendan. I'm a New(ish) Subscriber you speak well thought out common sense with a clear love of Doctor Who.
that is lovely to hear. I was not feeling on top form yesterday so it is lovely to hear i communicated ok
I agree with you Brendan. I worry now that the Doctor’s character will be completely lost and he’ll be totally humanised. I also agree that RTD is now a Urbankan especially Monarch. Can’t he see he’s being contradictory in what he says? The show needs to move forward but he’s bringing back Tennant, Mel, Toymaker, Kate, U.N.I.T & the timeless children! People say Doctor Who is all about change but they forget the main character always had an alien eccentricity and a mystery about them. An unobtainable element. He changes his personality slightly but it’s still the Doctor in there. What RTD is saying is really stupid. Why fix something that’s not broken? Bad Wolf seem more obsessed with body image and sexing up the show. Very worrying. Great video.
Thanks the reviews did say he’s moved from
Awkward alien to something more emotional
The irony is incredible. Robert Holmes, Terrence Dicks, David Whitaker and those classic writers slaved over their scripts too, with the exception you retconned their work and they're not even around to protest. Respecting a wonderful legacy, aren't you RTD?
Heck even Moffat - the Timeless Child retcon overwrote River Songs origin story, the 50th, the granting of extra regenerations.
And when he came in; he forgot everything Ben Aaronovitch added, Daleks could fly, put Davros back in his chair (and now has taken him back out of it), Skaro etc.
I know that the writers who work under him, or are contracted by him, will go through rewrites. We've heard as much. But from what I gather Davies himself tends to put through what are effectively first drafts, it might depend on how much time he has for going back and ammending his own work, but as the top of the creative pyramid on this show he is basically answerable to no one but himself. Which means he can rewrite his own material, if he feels he has to.
But we know with the prescence of Disney at the moment that he himself does get notes, and _is_ asked to rewrite.
For a man who has such (justifiable) pride and passion for his work that could get very difficult to work under in the months and years ahead. He isn't used to that sort of distant, but near all-powerful, authority hanging over him. Judging him... it could come to be something akin to what happened with Robert Holmes in 1985/6, and that devastating treatment of him by Jonathan Powell. While I doubt a Disney laison/executive would be as unpleasant and dismissal as Powell was, the mere fact that his work might end up as criticised as Holmes was that season would be very hard for a man as accomplished as Davies to take I feel. So while some say Davies and Disney are a match made for each other, I am less sure...
I really do think RTD will be self censoring his work before Disney see it. Once you know what your bosses like or don't like you adapt your writing
@@TheSenseSphere Yes. It occurred to me after I wrote the above that the management level of Doctor Who today is so relatively complex, and truly corporate, that the only parallel in the shows history is the four-way production of the TV Movie, with Fox, the BBC, Universal and BBC Worldwide all with a stake and all pushing and pulling in their own directions, with their own requirements.
Has Davies ever worked under such a trans-atlantic corporate hierarchy before? I think this is a whole new experience for him, particularly given Doctor Who is such a commercial interest.
I used to believe one reason Davies loved working on the show is that it allowed him an escape route from the usual material he writes. By personal choice, or circumstance, he became embedded in his own television niche, whereby he wrote and produced drama focused around gay lifestyle subjects and 'topics'. With Doctor Who he could leave that aside, and focus on the storytelling aspects of writing, the free-reign on imagination it offered, and best of all - allowed him a primetime *family* audience. He wasn't writing for adults here, he was required to think in different terms for Doctor Who.
I always felt he loved that window the show offered him. The chance to 'break out'.
This return to Doctor Who isn't quite like that this time. This time he has brought along an awful lot of unecessary baggage, and a lot of personal grudges and interests that aren't going to be shared by the mass audience.
At the moment I keep thinking of how poor the marketing is. Back in 2005 Davies was pre-empting the new series with carefully managed teases and press releases showing off the new Tardis, and more crucially that release of images of the series' aliens and monsters - these were exciting to look at! It turned out they were all from the second episode. End of the World', and as it turned out most were minor characters. But that didn't matter, because so imaginative and visual were they they caught everyone's attention in the run-up to the series and got the press and public's full interest. How much success can be gauged by the way the Moxx of Balhoon became central to that campaign, and thereafter used on all the ealrly merchandise. In much the same way Darth Maul was all over the publicity and merchandising for 'The Phantom Menace', so too was the similarly scant Moxx of Balhoon the 'star' of Doctor Who's marketing and promotion in the run-up to the series.
The run-up to the new 2024 relaunch... _isn't_ like that. No new aliens or Monsters to attract attention with. Just... 'Jinx Monsoon'-Musical maestro. In the second episode...
The contrast to Davies' enormously successful and well judged 2005 marketing campaign is *that* stark.
2005 had a visual menagerie of new and exotic alien faces. 2024 has... a Drag Queen, chewing up the scenery and spitting it out.
Moxx of Balhoon action figure and merchandise figurehead. Versus 'Jinx Monsoon'-Musical Maestro action figure and merchandise figurehead? Discuss...!!
@@davidmullen6011 We did do a show comparing the two RTD eras and I am tempted to tap into it again as it so interesting how different he is. I know personally and professionally things have changed for him, but also like you said his work environment and his ambitions. A whoniverse of spinoffs and shows is his fiefdom and pension now to scatter political messages to please the DIsney and BBC DEI masters
Well put
I agree with almost everything here, I really struggled with RTD first time around - he just doesn't seem to get sci-fi. If you remove his episodes from series 1 you get an almost perfect season (albeit McCoy length) - every writer he found fully understood the show in a way he never seemed to. And no, I don't think he can take himself out of the metropolis or the mundane every day world.
One thing I will say though is comic timing in your actors is a plus, doctor who always was funny - whether it was Chesterton humouring the 1st Doctor and appealing to his ego, the fourth offering up Jelly Babies or the seventh talking of unlimited rice pudding. Companions were under utilised (weirdly more so as the show went on), but having a companion with good comic timing is no bad thing because the humour was always in the characters. The alternative is farting aliens and belching dustbins.
fair point on comic timing. I just worry that RTD thinks Dr Who is all slapstick and whimsy. It is drama at its centre. He seems to think of key events or moments but tends to fail to stitch it together. Thanks for your feedback
@@TheSenseSphere yeah I'm with you 100%.
RTD has always put his humour into the situation/ slapstick which I'm not fond of for several reasons.
I *wish* he cared about an actors comic timing for the dialogue (which is really important for scripts from writers like Holmes or Moffat), but I suspect he means their ability to react to talking babies or other cheesy situations.
Another fantastically laid out discussion.
I’m not happy that the tree has gone though.
deforestation of the Amazon reached my house
RTD is a very confused individual. And that's just one of his more minor character flaws.
RTD the walking contradiction it seems in one side of his mouth talks about keeping the show the same yet goes on to talk about changing the show and doing so with Davros gate changing the character of the Doctor, TTC chasing after a new audience, making it 2024 like you say there's multiple examples also it seems to me he can only right one way regardless of whether its Queer as folk or its a sin or Doctor who doesn't exactly sound good does it admitting your inflexibility.
yes exactly. He is trying to placate two sides of fandom at the same time - cannot be done
And for his next trick, Russell will rub his tummy and pat his head while drinking a glass of water and farting out a rendition of The Shooting of Dan McGrew.
Many thanks for the further warnings, Time Agent Brendan. Puerile toilet humour? That's going to get the kids watching? When I was six I was watching Columbo.
Russell is just trying to sell the show any way he fcan
Chibnall chased me away from Nu Who, and i still don't see any reason to change that, but i will grab some popcorn and sit on the sidelines and watch this train wreck happen. Lol