DCS Av-8b Harrier TGP / TPOD Tutorial
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- čas přidán 24. 01. 2018
- DCS 1.5.8 Open Beta Has had an update making the TPOD Practical to use! Here's a quick tutorial covering the Litening II Targeting pod and it's features.
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"Muuuummmm... there's a harrier on the roof again!"
"I told you not to leave bird seed up there!"
I have been flying dcs for years and watching youtube videos on it for even longer, and this is the highest quality lesson I have ever seen. Jesus man. You simplified something that should have taken me hours to learn in 15min and I was in the air makin it look easy. Thank you
Thank you! it takes me a quite a while to make these, whilst you could go into a little more depth than i have i've always preferred to give people a baseline to get started with which can then be supplemented with the manual later if they want.
the only problem since watching your video is that when I cold start the harrier. I can't get it the TPOD into point track mode or if I do, it switches back to area track, but many are having this issue according to the ED forums. any thoughts?
I've just given it a look, and yes indeed it looks like the point track is bugged at the moment sadly. Hopefully soon we'l see an update, Razbam has recently been showing off development of the moving map and agm-65e's (laser guided)
Simply one of the best tutorials for DCS. One reason why I give higher value for the "1 minute tutorials" is that they are fast and quick to go through the specific area. So you don't need to search, listen or read anything but you get quick reminder of things or quick learning. That improves a lot learning in many cases when you can time to time rewatch the 1 minute tutorial when day goes and you have time. The key is just the repetition.
To get on same level RedKite, I would only ask you to add official timestamps to each part of the tutorial phases. This way when one launch the video, it would be super easy to just click to corresponding position and watch just that.
This would as well allow to make slightly longer videos of the wider topic, while support simple way to repeat different phases when needed.
But simply respect and admiration for the quality and time you put on these tutorials, as you do not waste time talking things, waving camera around etc like many others who are anyways doing 25-30min "tutorials".
Already do that, just the older videos that don’t :) thanks for the feedback and kind words!
Another outstanding and very clear tutorial RedKite!
Excellent quality tutorial RedKite, thank you kindly for sharing with the community.
I love that you explain --every detail-- on these
Thanks for the video. Just been having a play tonight with the update and this has made it all a bit more clear!
Nice use of the building too!
Would of been a nightmare to wrangle my plane as i explained all that! :)
Brilliant as usual. Great video. Thank you!
Thanks for taking the time to make this video!
Thanks Redkite, been waiting for this!
Two thumbs up! Thank you, I was not aware of this update.
The latest patch just changed a lot of this and some of the procedures aren't valid anymore. Given how good your comprehensive updated Hornet guide was here's hoping for one for the harrier too!
On the list, but it'll be a while I think, TGP videos are massive topics that take ages to write and make. I've already got one big tutorial in progress as is :)
wonderfully clear series of videos! Many thanks
Brilliant idea parking on the roof!!! Thanks for your tutorials
Cheers Luciodon!
GREAT freakin video mate. Thank you!
Fantastic tutorial again, well done!
You gained another subscriber sir. Thanks for the video.
Again, brilliant work Red
Cheers!
These are extremely helpful! Outstanding and thank you.
Thank you so much. Finally... someone bothered to cover it all. Spent hours doing everything right EXCEPT changing from "TRNG" mode. Hell, I thought clicking the OSB would turn it ON. Not that any of the 20 other Vids and Hoggits would mention it. Nooooo, course not.
Thanks Mikkall, I make a point of going in depth, many just go for the quick and easy explanation so users leave not understanding why things work, which leads to problems.
Thanks Kite, nice video. I'm gonna have to watch it a few times cause it's a lot of information...
Yes, this one is quite a lot to go over, especially if you've not used the tgp on the a-10c.
Thanks, another very clear tutorial
Nice guide Red kite :)
Excellent tutorials. Thanks!
A good way to evaluate the MONSTRUOUS GRAPHIC GAP introduced with DCS 2.7, as of today !
Excellent tutorial!!!
Thanks for taking the time to make such a great tutorial video. One thing that is super frustrating with the Harrier is that the TPOD goes away after you launch an AGM-65 (unlike the A-10). It makes rapidly launching AGM's nearly impossible, whereas the A-10 can almost ripple-fire AGMs.
Yeah the A-10c is something of a masterpiece of software design, provided you've done the recon you can ripple fire smart weapons. The TPOD is something of an afterthought on the harrier. I've found the best way to employ it is to have a dedicated member of my flight using the TPOD to co-ordinate the rest onto targets with laser designation so you don't run into those issues.
Great tutorial as always! Thanks!
Your tutorials are Awesome!!
Thank you :)
Thx Red supreme like always
rewatching and rewatching and rewatching. Great video! On a side note, i can never get the Tacan to work with the tanker...
Setting on a roof thats cool 😆 nice tutorial good job
Great tutorial!! An alternative to parking on the roof is using Active Pause (LShift + LWin + Pause). I use it all the time to practice stuff in a semi-realistic way. I believe as of posting this the basic autopilot works now but no Altitude Hold mode as yet? I've been able to put the aircraft in a turn with very slight nose up attitude and engage the AP and it seems to work pretty well as a stop gap Alt.Hold mode until the real functionality is added. I'm sure many others have figured this out by now as well. Thanks very much.
I did consider that, however it's not very easy to show point track off when the target isn't moving :)
What I am waiting is to get the DMT to lock and track the flying aircrafts just like in the ARBS manufacturer video shows it to be able.
You have a 70 degree angle to all directions, so 140 degree in total for vertical as well for horizontal. It gives great possibility for DMT to be used to visually identify the target (as well explained in the manufacturer ARBS video).
So informative, thank you
Thank you.
Superb, thank you.
Thank you for this video, i am now dropping LGB's like a kid with a new toy !!
Awesome!
awesome.. thks
Thanks for this one, was trying to figure it out last night. We need autopilot so badly now though, will they add an attitude indicator overlay on the tpod screen?
Ive got no idea, real life pilots have fewer issues flying level when focused heads down since you still have peripheral vision and sense of balance. Until we get an altitude hold we'l have to make do.
Awesome video :) How do you re-center TPOD back to the HUD boresight position?
Doing all this while in VR should get you a star above your name and a medal.
It's actually not too bad to do in vr, the mpcd text can be a little small though.
i find it much easier in the vr, for one the "small text" issue is a case of leaning forwards a tad.
Red Kite awesome tutorials as always but just 1 question pls... how do you center the sensor once done with. Thx very much in advance.
when i hold the pickle button angled lines come up on my hud and the auto symbology disappears. despite my aircraft being in A-G, master arm being on, 12's selected, and having a laser aquired on a static target
how do we reset the tpod back to boresight so i can select new target, in a10 its china reverse
Trying to use TPOD to hit a moving truck with AGM. When pressing the final lock with the TDC action button I lose my point tracking! @ 14:07
First of all, another excellent harrier tutorial many thanks!. i'm having trouble getting it into point track however. as i make my approach i slew to targ and hit the AT/PT button and it does nothing. any pointers? :D
Thank you! I've actually found that i've managed to get into a point track whilst technically in area track, its behaviour is a little odd sometimes, see if you cant get point on a moving vehicle by slewing ontop and releasing.
Just Sho to let people know, this WAS a great tut, but is out of date now, as the tpod has been replaced and the controls are different. You will be unable to move where the pod is looking as of DCS 2.7 following this tutorial.
Hello, i am looking to get the entire doc you mentionned at 3:21 on the video ands did not find it on web. Could u tell the reference. Thks in advance
Just like the Cosby show, this tutorial did not age well.
But here it’s in a good way. The harrier has come a long way
Hello, thanks for a very good video. Just a question : How are written the target coordonates ? Is it degree minutes seconds (° ' '') or degrees minutes.XXX (° '.XXX) ? Not sure if i made myself clear but thanks for the help
Manual waypoints and target steerpoints are not yet implemented, i will cover them when they are developed.
RedKite thanks a lot for the answer
How do you get the tpod back to the fpm area if you're searching for targets all over. Or more to the point, how to zero out all the slew and start fresh looking ahead?
Just push the un-designate button like you would for the dmt
Is there in the harrier the china hat option of the a10, by which the vision of the tgp was fixed on the waypoint?
At prsent markpoints and waypoint slaving are not available, they are planned for later.
When I'm lasing, I see a flashing code on my HUD. This looks like a bug? DCS 2.5.5 release?
Hopefully this makes better at bombing thx
Great video!!!
Could you show us your trackir 5 profile? your settings are very good!
Tks
My track ir profile is more or less default, i made the deadzone much smaller for all axis (to stop it sticking when looking from left to right, and made the acceleration slightly higher when looking behind me, it's something im always tinkering with.
Very good tutorial, much appreciated! Just one quick question:
Is there a special reason to first drop the GBU and THEN switch on the laser? For me, it also works when I first turn on the laser and then drop. I feel it's less stressful since there is no time pressure to get the laser on in time.
Cheers!
Couple reasons:
1. It reduces laser component wear (not really an issue in dcs)
2. If the bomb loses track / or the laser turns off / masked by the aeroplane. it can result in the bomb veering off in the last direction it was headed, they tend to wobble back and forth when tracking so a sudden loss can throw it off.
if you lase only when you're certain you can hold lock for the remaining duration of it's flight it prevents this issue. of course this relies on a reasonably accurate delivery.
3. Doing this will also allow you to make a turn away from target before you start lasing if you wish, depending on the time to impact that is, allowing you to avoid overflying it.
4. lasing too soon can result in excessive manoeuvring by the bomb causing it to drop short by burning up it's energy. Although this is only really a factor on high alt or high airspeed drops where the bomb will travel a considerable distance.
RedKite Ah ok. Good to know. Thanks for clarifying! 👍🏻
how do you re-center those controls the maverick and the TDC,
The undesignate / nose whhel steering button can be used, if you need to reset yor target if required
First of all - awesome job, you have my gratitude mate. Is anyone else having issues with the TPOD reverting to "Safe" before impact and uncommanded? I find if I drop all my ordinance the TPOD switches off when I hit "fire" on the laser.
Probably pilot error somewhere but it's annoying!!
I think if you slew the TPOD it'l revert to laser safe, alternatively it could be getting masked, never tried the second one.
RedKite you’re right - any slew makes it revert to safe - I can work around that! Thanks
Do you know if it is possible to buddy lase to other aircraft, like A-10C's?
Yes, Any aircraft or JTAC unit on the ground with a laser designator can both budy lase for any other aircraft with the ability to drop laser guided munitions, but also use the laser designator for aircraft with laser spot trackers. You do however have to make sure everybody is using the same laser code.
Thank you!
It's possible now or in close future make some thing like A-10c Forced Correlate mode? Thnx.
I do not think it is possible at this time.
Great vid :) I always get the SMC Error when trying the Litening pods out. Sucks :(
I don't follow? are you trying to select the tpod via the smc? you don't need to do that, just select the weapon you want, switch the mpcd to the tpod and use that to find / engage your target
Yeah, in selecting the weapon I want, I get an SMC program error. I think it's an issue with the non-beta 1.5.8, ir's okay, I'm going to wait for the open beta to be merged in.
Great vids red kite . Just curious. Where did u find the great range targets on nttr?
They're part of a mod listed in the description
how do you RE-center the TGP???? Once it locks in , I can't move it unless it is in Hotas mode... or recenter to reengage new area targer… frustrating... too bad it wasn't built like the A-10
The TPOD was an afterthought on the harrier unlike the a-10c which has 'sensor fusion' design principles. Pressing the undesignate button with TDC selected on the tpod page will re-centre the tpod.
Informative video, but I'm having issues getting the tgp to stay in point track, if I slew the tgp, even if point track is selected, it'll revert to area track. Alternatively, hovering over a target in area track and trying to switch to point track doesn't work for me, it stays in area track despite me pressing the button
Point track will default to area track if nothing is suitable for point track. Insure you're in point track mode (bottom left) and slew over and release on a target suitable and it should pick up a point track automatically for you.
Any idea why I can't select point track mode?
traget track not working good :( and no box on crosshair
Can you slew the mavs to the tgp?
The Mavs are slaved to the Aircrafts target, (set by TPOD ) when uncaged, so you can locate a target via the TPOD, uncage and then fire at that target, much the same as the DMT.
Hi I cant seem to engage PT mode, I have enabled the TPOD, I have nav mode enabled, flir on and dmt on. Is this a flaw in the game? I can use PT mode when I make a mission where the harrier is already flying, but when doing a cold start in multiplayer, it never works.
I've had pt working in multiplayer with a cold start, though the behaviour is slightly different. Ive found it'l go into point track automatically when you stop slewing over a moving object. Provided contrast is good and zoomed in enough.
RedKite I appreciate the reply, I’ve just had a hard time finding anyone able to answer this question and you seem to be the subject matter expert. Anything else I have make sure I’m doing on a cold start to ensure point track works? At this point it could be anything stupid I’m missing in startup. I just learned how to cold start it because a server that does a2g pve only has cold start slots.
Cold starts are the norm on servers, i'd be surprised to find a hot start. It helps if you're zoomed in a lot (makes the slew slower and makes it easier to release the slew whilst over a moving target) Other than that just make sure everything is turned on.
ok I'm french first sorry for my english I just want to know if my warthog buttom for harrier is correct but how can I send the document
Is this a final stage of the TPOD or will it be improved, somehow?
Hey RedKite - does the AV8B laser burn out over time if you do not turn it off?
I've never had one burn out, but never specifically tested it. I'd switch it off when you don't need it just in case.
Awesome, thanks for your video tutorials - really helpful
Hi,
I installed 2.5 recently and went back to 1.5.8 and when i went back it seems like the tpod is broken again, i dont get the same symboligy on the hud do you have any ideas what it could be ?
This update was for the 1.5.8 beta, which has become 2.5, you'l need to use the patcher to patch to a specific version.
Thanks for the reply, I am using the steam version of Dcs. I dont have the computer at the moment to run 2.5 so i downgraded, it seems like it reverted to the first accidental issue of the TPOD. The options for which version in steam are as follows, 1.5.8 final release 2.x alpha open, open beta which of these would i choose to get back to a working TPOD in 1.5.8 it was working previously now its not
btw as always a great tutorial I subscribed a while ago
i click to move tpod and pt not work anymore , just ar mode or inr mode .... why ?
PT will revert to area track when a point to track has not been found, i've not used it recently, but the last time i used the tpod you had to insure that the target you're looking at is moving, and release the slew as you pass over your intended point/target to track.
I've spent over 4hrs trying to figure out how to fire my weapons. I can't find the right command to set my flight controller up. I can arm them but not fire anything.
it should be called weapon release / pickle button
Planning to get the harrier is this features in the 2.5 open beta?
Yes, the tpod functions as seen in this video in 2.5 to the best of my knowledge
Is there any point to having multiple TPODs, or did you just do it to demonstrate the possibility? Will they all track the same point and/or hand off control if one loses line of sight in a turn for example?
I did it just to show all the possible locations you can mount it. I dont think you can actually use more than one, the other two would just not function.
Thanks, your videos have been very helpful.
Steam version of av8b is not the same? My tpod and nose camera don't want work together =|
They're different, the steam version is generally out of date, you can opt into the beta release for the most recent version (dcs 2.5) from the properties - beta tab
is it possible to reset the targetingspot/laserpoint with the tgp?
undesignate / nose wheel steering should do it.
Any idea why when I select tpod and take it out of standby mode all i get is a black screen? I can slew around, change to FLIR. wh&bh work but still don't display an image but the screen is always black. What am I doing wrong?
Have you allowed time for the system to warm up? from a cold start it'l take a few mins to be ready after take off.
RedKite yes it was well into the flights I was trying to use the tpod. Turned out a friend of mine had the same issue with the a10c. He told me to change my graphics (so I just set them all to low) save and exit the game. Relaunch it and set them back to what they were.
Fixed it, don't know if this is very widespread because I couldn't find much info online about it.
Thanks for the info, ive not come across it either, but that sounds like a bug from changes to the rendering engine.
RedKite no worries .. thanks for your videos, their really helpful 👍
I'm new to DCS. What is the laser codes significance?
In it's most basic form it allows multiple aircraft to operate their lasers at the same time without interfering with each other's weapons.
RedKite OK that makes a lot of sense thank you.
It doesn't follow moving targets in 2.5. I've tried it several times, but the PT function doesn't make any difference. When I bound the TGP to a mini joystick and used it with analog inputs, I could engage PT mode but doesn't follow the vehicles. If I use buttons to move the TGP I cannot even switch to PT mode, it swithes back to AR again. Still buggy I guess. And the TPOD is still just "flying" under the middle pylon without any visible attach point. SAD.
My target pod fights me every step of the way amd i cant get it to stop targeting an area
Are you using DCS 1.5.8 beta or above? There used to be an old issue with the TPOD getting stuck like that on the stable release prior to this update.
RedKite i figured it out. Was hunting a ctrl that was named something stupid
how do you use LSS with TPOD?
I've not used the harrier TPOD in a while, but if you're going for a laser spot, i'd use the DMT to locate it with SSS aft i think, that'l put it into LST and search for the lase.
+1 subscribe. Nice vid.
Too bad I don't have 1.5.8 installed. I need a bigger SSD.... Time to donate some plasma!
this still work in progress
Yes, as is everything on the harrier, however it is now in a sate where you can make practical use of it in combat.
in my case there is a problem with the laser, the second and third GBU always hit where the first GBU hit
I've not run into that issue, i've managed to drop 6 gbu'12's one at a time without a problem, didn't un-designate the tpod either. If you're dropping multiple gbu's at once then, yes they'l all home in on the same location if thats what you're saying? if in doubt, try resetting the targeting system and doing a fresh run after dropping the first see if that helps.
update the game
i can use pt mode =T aways change no ar mod
Ok, What in the world am I doing wrong?? My plane wants to do "somersaults" about 10sec into flight, why???
How realistic and accurate will this plane be?
If i recall razbam target about 80-90% accuracy, that means that more or less everything that is declassified will be modeled to full detail or very close. (for example the encyption and iff panels are non-functional)
oh ok and what is your favorite aircraft to fly right now?
To fly, it's the harrier, to fight in it's the A-10c, the Harrier is a fun aircraft to fly but limited systems at the moment being in early access. Where as the A-10c has complete sensors and computer, using the datalink makes it loads of fun in co-operative missions.
RedKite ok thanks I’ve just started using dcs and I bought the harrier as I wanted a more modern plane. I didn’t buy the A10 because I was told it was an old module. Will the harrier be coming to 2.5? Where can I find updates on the development?
It is old, but it's by far the most complex module in the sim, cockpit textures are a little dated compared to new modules but still good. 2.5 has all dcs modules currently available in it, as for updates i'd suggest keeping an eye on r/hoggit or the eagle dynamics website/forum
Wait so is this update included in 2.5?
Yes, it's in 2.5 as well
it seems i can't engage the PT mode..?
i did a cold start, the Area mode worked just fine, but when i selected PT and i slewed over the terrain near my moving target it went straight to Area mode and i wasn't able to select PT anymore.
@redkite
Pt mode appears to be a little off, you should be able to slew over the target and release the slew directly on top of it, it should then automatically switch to point track and follow the object. If its having trouble try changing to ir, zoom in and swao bh or wh to improve contrast.
Well the problem is that when you don't slew it the first try over your target (which is kind of hard to do anyways) it'll change to AR mode and you can't engage PT mode anymore.
Is this update on steam as well ?
Steam is usually behind the stand alone release, i expect you will have to wait a week.
RedKite ok thank you. Great video by the way !
Why does this seem 50x more difficult than it really needs to be?
Referencing the A-10C it can do all of this with like 3 steps xD
That's not even taking into account the fact you can do all of it from the HOTAS :p
Yeah its a little unwieldy i recommend learning to use HTS mode to make it a little easier. A-10c was built with the idea of sensor fusion, whist the harrier just kind of had it bodged on later.
Hey RedKite
Good video there, no idea how accurate that still is today or if anything changed in the functionality.
Two things I'd like to point out:
You're repeating yourself over and over and over about the fact that HTS doesn't update the target point at all, and TDC doesn't if point track following a moving vehicle. A bit too much repeating for my taste. Instead of the last repetition of the same GBU drop procedure, I'd rather have seen you fire a LMAV to a TGP lased target.
All the best
LMAVs didn't exist at the time if i recall correctly. The repetition is sometimes deliberate on important parts, but this being a very old video now, I've changed things up and improved a lot since then! There's not been any major changes to the TPOD best i know, Thanks for the feedback.
Thank you for the reply :)
And we STILL don’t have an autopilot a whole YEAR LATER! FFS razbam :(
Actually, the harrier does have a working autopilot, has had it for quite a while now.
i get the feeling this has no love now since F18 and F14
The F/a-18C is made by Belsimtek / Eagle dynamics, the F-14 by Heatblur. Whilst the Harrier was made by Razbam, All different companies and teams. They have no effect on development of the harrier. The good news is although it's been slow recently Razbam hired a new programmer and they've been making positive steps to improving it, including some of its long standing issues, though none for the tpod just yet.
Not a very intuitive aircraft. Especially compared to A-10C. A lot of weird limitations...but I bought this immediately bc it's fun to fly. Just wish the weapon system wasn't so janky. Why the HUD doesn't follow moving targets with the TGP makes no sense for a aircraft supposedly specialized for night ops. I'm hoping these limitations are due to early access not yet modeling everything fully.
Early access issues I'm afraid, i haven't checked to see if they've improved it since this video, i tend to operate without the tgp. That and i've been busy with the hornet recently :)
They have to use the resources to repair harrier by keeping them operational for many more decades, and not replace them with the useless f35.
The TPOD will not not WORK AT ALL after the latest update...…. TPOD on...and after doing anything for too long, or GOODNESS sake, actually touch the Sensor select button, and it wll switch to the BUILT In TV on the aircraft.... BOOOOO>...BOOO>...