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00:00 Intro
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01:42 Goodbye X11
04:00 Open Source Nvidia for everyone
05:52 10% market share with ChromeOS added
07:33 Gaming: more Linux gaming devices
10:11 Packaging formats: still messy
11:37 Immutable distros: not mainstream
12:51 App support: no changes
13:57 Parting thoughts
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First, X.org will be even more abandoned. I'm not saying every distro will drop it entirely, but I'm expecting way more distributions and desktops to announce in 2024, that X.org won't be a supported platform anymore in 2025, or at the very least won't be the default session.
I would be surprised if, in 2024, Ubuntu didn't announce something similar for the following year.
The second thing I think we'll see is a fully open source stack for nvidia being available for Linux users. With the Linux kernel 6.7 bringing support for the GSP firmware, letting Nvidia GPUs be reclocked by the open source Nouveau drivers, and NVK now part of Mesa, and providing decent performance already, I'd say 2024 will be the year where Nvidia users can finally enjoy a good experience on Linux without anything extra to install.
In terms of market share, we've seen some healthy growth in 2023, ending the year on a potentially anomalous 3.8%, the highest the Linux desktop has ever been. In 2024, I'd expect this trend to continue: people don't seem to enjoy WIndows 11 that much, and they already didn't enjoy Windows 10 all that much either, and with Microsoft cramming more and more ads in their OS, and potentially moving to a subscription based model for Windows 12, I'd expect more people to give Linux a go, and mathematically, some of them will stick with it.
All in all, I don't think we'll jump to something like 8 or 10%, but I'd be surprised if the Linux desktop didn't reach 5 or 6% on its own, and about 10% combined with Chrome OS.
I would also expect 2024 to see a standalone release of SteamOS for any computer, and I'd say our market share will probably rise to about 3, maybe 3 and a half percent, but it won't be a major change, and the situation in terms of how many games we can play will be relatively stable, with major names still missing.
Now let's talk about the things I feel will stay exactly the same in 2024: starting with packaging formats. What we might see is more distros deciding to provide specific apps using the official snap or flatpak, like RHEL is doing with LibreOffice, because for some apps, it simply makes no sense to repackage them all the time, but that won't change the status quo.
Same thing for what we generally call Immutable distributions. I don't think they'll gain that much popularity in 2024, because they're often linked to using either flatpak or snap, or Nix packages, can't forget about Nix or I'll get comments again, and since we're not making these formats the only choice any time soon, I don't think this group of Linux distros will conquer the general Linux desktop audience either.
As per app support, that's another area where I feel we're not going to see much progress. And I'm talking big name apps, like Office, the Adobe Suite, Autocad, and the like. Even if my predictions for Linux market share come true, the potential revenue from supporting Linux is still low and will still be low, compared to the effort of porting the app, finding a packaging format that allows you to do everything you want, and then supporting that version. - Věda a technologie
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I have a question about Nvidia drivers. Will it be able use Debian with a plasma environment to get the new Nvidia drivers
10% market share would sound amazing, I can see a lot of good in more mainstream Linux. I myself have been on Linux for about half a year.
I've jumped the boat when Windows 10 showed me a middle finger and crashed out of nowhere. Had a furious fight trying to make it work again but decided to switch to Linux Mint. After like two weeks i've jumped to Fedora Workstation but then noticed there's option for immutable version so made a literally under 1 hour OS change which blew me away how simple it was.
I've chose Fedora because based on privacy oriented sources i've tracked, they really recommended Fedora as both secure, private and a cutting edge distro. I went for KDE desktop as i actually really like Windows layout. It does definitely take time to re-learn how to use certain parts of the system, especially on immutable one but the benefits are worth it in my opinion.
It was significant news when I heard that Linux gamers outnumber Mac gamers.
The microsoft cartel is breaking. I can see Linux romping ahead.
4% more likely
Actually, no 4% was a valid number around 5 years ago. Probably 6 when proton and DXVK. In any other gaming involved factors became a thing in the Linux gaming world.
Today it really is more like nine or ten percent
Remember android runs on Linux
What do the vast majority of all smartphones on the planet run on? Exactly it is android
Chrome o s runs on Linux... And it's not like chrome books have just began being a thing. Chromebooks have been available basically worldwide for easily more than the past five years
So no offense meant but stop listening to these. Doma doesn't paid off sites that keep saying lennox only has about three or four percent parker share because that is pure b.s
I switched from windows 11 to linux and I love it. Very simple UI and easily customizable
Linux UI is actually the terminal. Seriously though, if you don't use the terminal, you don't even know what you are missing out on.
Heck i probably spend 80% of my time in my computer, inside neovim inside a terminal, and the other 20% on firefox (you can basically do everything with just a terminal and a web browser)
Which Linux distro and desktop environment? UI and UX is kinda specific to those.
@@no_name4796 It *used* to be the ui. As today you can use Linux without ever touching the terminal if you are a "casual"/"normal" user and this is just better for a lot of people. I, personally, use terminal daily, but I jump the ship to Linux in the period when there was no other options. So yeah, for me is also faster now to just use the cli (as I have already spent the time to learn it), but for a new user, the same is not true.
@@FengLengshun Ubuntu cause im just starting linux
@@no_name4796 Don't do this. You are assuming this person has the same tech acumen as you. It alienates people
I finally switched to Linux, and I love it!
Nice! Welcome :)
Nice what distro did you land on?
@@st1ko-gsIt‘s always the wrong one.
Good job man. I switched to Linux back in 2021 and my first distro was Ubuntu
then i switched to arch
@@moltony you still on ubuntu? Myself i like Debian but as a work station/ where i do all my work is ubuntu 23.10 and tbh not planning to go back since ubuntu is great for gaming aswell and tbh i like snaps and the snap store ubuntu has
About the gaming section, there are handheld pc companies that promised a Linux version of their own in the future. It'll make this whole Linux gaming to the next level.
I think that if Windows becomes some type of SaaS, there will be a mass migration away from it. It may be a good news / bad news situation for distros though, as all that new volume might break the backs of the current staff.
I would like to think that this means I'll be able to install and configure linux laptops on employees computers at my job in university, but I'm afraid the education world will fully switch to macos in response :-|
@@doigt6590 why on earth would they? Microsoft’s pattern for years has been to make academic and school based software ridiculously cheap so the people coming out of university are pre trained in their ecosystem.
Large organisations are not going to go Linux for mainstream desktops till it’s stable and not reliant on the good will of people who chop and change stuff regularly, they want the large company backing the software so they can get support quickly.
Even IBM and Intel struggle to get their Linux desktops mainstream, no large organisation is going to look at the horrendous mess that is Arch and thinks “that’s what our company needs”
Their entire office suite (Office365) is practically that already. I would not be surprised if the entirety of Windows becomes cloud-based as with Chromium devices.
This scenario could also lead to overwhelming desire to make Linux "more like Windows".
probably not as much as you'd expect
a large amount of windows systems are either pirated
if it becomes saas, even the legit users will probably be fine with the watermark, that also lots of people are fine with rn
I can't wait to recommend Linux to my friends, but just as you said, the desktop space is in a state of flux: Wayland, Portals, Flatpaks, and then even some things like HDR are missing.
I don't expect this year to be the year of the linux desktop, but at least the one where everyone just agrees that the desktop should be Wayland+Pipewire, the user apps should be Flatpaks+Portals, and the OS should be set by the distro maintainers.
Please let Flatpak apps talk to Flatpak browsers (password managers), let Online file apps (dropbox, onedrive...) work from flatpaks, and for the love of all that is holy, let Discord streaming audio work in pipewire 🙏
native messaging is an issue flatpak maintainers are aware of. they are working on fixing it.
Discord is a discord problem that Linux itself can't solve. (There is a wrapper for the client that integrates proper pipewire (so wayland too) based streaming of video and audio) But at least a dev on reddit has confirmed that they want to work on it (idk if already working on it)
One big issue is Nvidia not playing well with Wayland. Hopefully that will be resolved since there will pressure to support it.
I accidentally found a working unofficial version of Discord that fixes everything wrong with screen sharing, called Vesktop. It even detects Steam Decks and makes it really easy to use. It still has the one issue that I don't know if it even can be fixed (You can''t screen share properly if you watch someone else share their screen), but it's REALLY GOOD!
I've been recommending Linux since I've been using it (14 years), but I dialed it back after a few years, recognizing the cult-like enthusiasm of parts of the Linux community in myself, ignoring the issues with the system, and ignoring the needs of each individual. I truly believe Windows is getting worse incredibly quickly, and Linux is starting to reach a mainstream usable state, so I might dial the recommendations back up again in a year or two. I like Flatpaks, but they still work worse than native, so for trustworthy apps (which should ideally be all of them), it's just not worth using yet.
For my gamer friends, NVK and HDR are both huge, I think they might even convert once those mature, and reach full or comparable performance. Proton is already good enough, games have always been tricky even on Windows.
For my less techy family and friends, the random problems, that we all experience and sometimes are in denial about, will need to disappear mostly or hopefully completely. (Like Firefox crashing when I try to drag a file from Dolphin to Google Drive on Plasma Wayland. Or the Wayland session sometimes crashing during a system update, while libs are being updated.) Until this happens, I think for the non-techy people, using hacks to remove the malware and spyware from Windows will still be the better alternative.
linux can sometimes be a headache even if you are somewhat willing to deal with problems from time to time, the amount of knowledge required to get out of certain problems is quite deep. You learn a lot, and after some time become musch quicker than in other OS, but many times in your journey you will feel defeated using your own machine, and some people don't have time for that because they don't have tinkering with linux as a hobby.
I still love linux and is my favorite OS ( my only one if gaming was actually a thing on it ) but sometimes you have to be able to criticize what you love
Every time I fuck something up on my system I am like "i fucking hate this shit... but it's either this or windows... back to fixing stuff"
I always hear stories about hardware/software issues but I never have them lmao, I guess it boils down to how Linux handles different kinks on different machines
Immutable distro should provide stable base, what else can be broken?
Gaming on Linux with Steam, no issues.
@@sergeykish gaming is not the only reason people use linux
@@nikoraasu6929they never implied otherwise. weird comment to make
So, I think the problem with Flatpak and snaps isn't the lack of adoption and performance, though those are serious issues with them. The problem is that they don't unify the standards. We went from having like... Seven packaging standards to nine packaging standards when those entered the ring.
Yeah, because as always there’s some pushback against anything new!
@@TheLinuxEXP it's not really a pushback against anything new, but rather a pushback against something that is unnecessary. People do not like when the limited developer resources that Linux has go into stuff that is just plain pointless, and could rather be utilized to improve stuff that does the same thing but has been around for years.
Granted but with these 2 I am able to install all the packages I know they offer on any distro. Compared to the usual system packages.
So I like them simply for the Distro independence.
Good old xkcd #927 strikes again.
@@Legion-495 you lack imagination if you think that these two are the only way to provide distro independence. If you truly cared about that, you would install and use non official repos. You'd use things that don't require installation like raw binaries and appimages. Flatpaks and snaps are literally just adding new standards and debates into this mess. And they are much slower that the alternatives, especially snaps.
6:24 Windows 10 was usable, but Windows 11 really could push Linux adoption because all of the hardware officially abandoned by Windows 11 and the spyware/adware being continuously put into the OS. Even though _my_ hardware is supported by Windows 11, it was such a downgrade that I switched my primary OS to Linux since the release of Windows 11.
you really need to understand that an average user doesn't care he's being spied on, he prefers convenience of google, amazon, microsoft, and plethora of other companies' products over privacy. Though I feel like tough times are coming, it'd be good to not leave a huge digital footprint...
I think the average user doesn't know or doesn't care that there is an alternative to windows and will grumble about ads and telemetry but not do anything about it.
@@nikoraasu6929 techies like us recommend OSes to normies. So to speak. It just takes time and to give them the easy to use alternatives. With one more advanced user you could have 3 to 10 devices.
@@nikoraasu6929 Well what it does is forcing you to make a MS Account. I bet many people hate that.
And if you try to work around it you may lock yourself out with a Bitlocker. Obviously systemsellers would need to offer linux.
Until than it will be a minority yes.
@@nikoraasu6929They will care when they can still use their old hardware with Linux but not Windows 11.
Immutable distro fist time user here (Fedora Silverblue). I thought the transition would be painful. It actually was pretty easy. I was already using Flatpaks for pretty much everything and the 5 or 6 apps i had to layer on top of the system were simple to install. Now i have an even more stable system.
Fedora do seem to be leading the pack when it comes to new innovative features. Why did you choose Silverblue over the other immutable choices?
I would be very curious about a video comparing immutable distros ! It's cool that we have a lot of choice now, but it can get pretty confusing.
As far as the few I've tried, Nixos is definitely the best in terms of package management, support and configuration, but it's very hard to learn.
I can say Vanilla OS or Fedora Silverblue and its variants because I use both on my machines. You can't interact directly with the core/root, no deleting system32, making immutable distro a good place for newbs imo.
Linux will inevitably become the future of desktop operating systems.
Hopefully that will mean proprietary head tracking hardware and software getting support, and some sort of solution to the anti-cheat saga, to enable those of us still dualbooting for the purpose of gaming to remove Windows entirely.
@SvalbardSleeperDistrict More and more newer games are supporting Linux even with anti-cheat. It's the older games from Epic (Fortnite), Budgie (Destiny 2, but thankfully they aren't doing well), and Riot (Valorant and now LoL) that are the main problem. Once those games eventually fall off in terms of the user base, then I can see this not being as much of an issue.
@@cameronbosch1213 👍
I think it'll at the very least outlast Windows. It's clear Microsoft wants Windows to be something other than a desktop OS. Also Microsoft one day may not exist anymore. Linux is effectively immortal as a free software project
@@cameronbosch1213fortnite will be a pain because sweeny hates Linux for some reason. Riot will be annoying because of stupid vanguard things. Someone just backdoor it already to scare the shit outta people
"And for general purpose computing like using a webbrowser, an email client, and a office suite Linux has been doing that for 10 years perfectly fine."
Meanwhile me with an ultrawide monitor as primary, a portable monitor used as secondary, and a TV used for film nights: 💀💀💀
Fractional scaling not working properly has been the only thing holding me back for years. As soon as Wayland and KDE6 are on Kubuntu or Mint, I'm going to switch.
You make really cool videos and they’re really helping me since I switched two ubuntu 2 days ago. Keep going :) !
I'm actually tempted to get the steam deck oled model cause it has a nice screen, decent performance and is effectively a first party gaming device with a fully open Linux OS... like what else do I want?
Thanks Microsoft. Thanks to Windows 11 Linux userbase is growing.
Not that much outflow, actually. You may often overheard the talks how the new changes adds to more invasive pain in the a**, but the users still love their mistress.
@@eugene_stets haha yes, with many Win users there's some Stockholm syndrome stuff going on
@@eugene_stets Unfortunately I agree. People will pay hundreds if not thousands to get a computer with Windows 11/12 when Windows 10 is unsupported rather than install linux and be done with it.
@JeanPierreWhite linux needs to be more compelling to the average user. Freedom and Open Source means nothing to the average user. From that point of view Linux always brings comprismises, not selling points. You don't spend 1000s on high end gaming hardware to then lower the performance and compatability with software that is just a tool.
@V1CT1MIZED I have to disagree here. Linux doesn't have to because it's not selling. Valve has to work on their distribution if they want people to adopt it. Amazon and Redhat have done it on their sides because they cater to developers.
I am hoping 2024 is the year Wayland will become fully stable and considered complete. I really, really hope this will happen. We absolutely need this to happen.
I'm also very hopeful for Plasma 6 and that we'll have fully working HDR support sooner rather than later. Lack of HDR is what is keeping me on Windows on my main machine and I'm dying to switch but just cannot until this is working.
I can say as someone currently testing out HDR on KDE, it works well! Been watching HDR movies and playing HDR games just fine. Surprised with how well it's working already despite how young HDR progress is in the Linux landscape
@@MonkeyboyAlex that's very encouraging to hear! :)
Is there an easy way yet to switch between SDR and HDR mode, maybe like Win 11's "Auto HDR" feature, or does it require a reboot or something?
I consider Wayland complete. Complete garbage!
I'm using Linux as main Workstation about 8 years. The beginning was tough to bring something to work, but year by year everything has changed. Now as advanced user I'm experimenting with Tiling Window managers like i3wm or Qtile and must say... This is BIG and Love it ❤ And now I want to take it to the next level. My goal is use minimal resources after boot. Now it's 194MB RAM on i3wm. This also teaching me how to deal with packages, libraries or kernel drivers.
Hello fellow Tiler, i3wm user here. 🙂 What is your usage profile? I am backend developer. PHP to be exact. Do you play games on Linux?
Me with my 128 GB RAM workstation not caring about how much memory GNOME uses.
Unused ram is wasted ram. It's not the 90s anymore.
I don't know if this fits into this video or not but to newcomers to Linux a word of advice I always give to my class.
There is no best distro. The best distro is the one that works for you.
To add on to this rather than searching best distro on a search provider or CZcams, it's best to look at how the softwares, frameworks, hardware, etc. Are supported in the distro of choice.
For instance as a roboticist who has to work on ML training every once in a while I am kind of corralled towards Ubuntu for my personal system by default (unless I want to get into docker and that rabbit hole).
Is Ubuntu the best out there? For my purpose, kind of. But maybe not for you
Nice video and pretty bold of you to assume we'll hit 5% in 2024. Something I been wondering for a while is what is HDR, why is so nedded and why is that a priority of the Wayland proyect instead of more common stuff like the missing features that make us stay on x11? Isn't just some fancy graphics stuff for people who likes games? What's the benefit of HDR for people who just work on Linux? I would really appreciate a video explaining that. Great work as always
I agree - we need things like proper SSD support in Wayland before HDR.
Valve already implemented HDR so it is already partly done. Some users have hardware and want it work.
I just work on Linux, no missing features makes me stay on X11. What blocks you?
HDR is really mostly a byproduct of proper color management support, which is one of the things artists are really missing vs X11 (where the support isn't exactly good either, but at least there)
@@sergeykishScreen sharing on Wayland doesn't work properly with Discord and MS Teams.
@@danielhalachev4714 that's Discord and MS Teams issue - screenshare works in other applications.
I've thought X11 screenshare could be fixed with XwaylandVideoBridge.
To take Linux to where it needs to be in the desktop is going to be 2 key things - integration of the desktop into a linux first ecosystem that integrates into Cloud services (I am talking to you Proton) and second developers focusing on integrated applications that support the general computing needs like mail, calendar, contact, tasks/reminders, notes, photos and music. We have apps with varying degrees functionality but not really integrated. When I saw your interview with Proton I hope they make their desktop Mail, Calendar, file, and contact apps for Linux. The Linux desktop is here as a platform - making it winning is an integrated set of applications that can share items between them and do things like creating calendar events from emails, a standard sharing path like Apple has done etc. A tight integrated environment that has a high level of functionality at will be the winner.
Happy 2024!
Open source is evolving slowly but with more user base than ever!
I wonder, would you be up to revisiting the Mastodon Ecosystem? I loved last year's video on it and it would be nice to hear your thoughts on its evolution for the new year.
Cheers, keep up the good work!
I like your videos, very ground to earth. For me is enough if linux gets a decent market share, no need to overtake everything, although I would not mind if it happens in a distant future
Linux is objectively much better, than it is represented in usage, so I think there is a huge potential for more adoption of Linux as primary OS by more and more people (and businesses).
2024 *will* be the year of the Linux on the desktop! I have never been more ready to be disappointed in years!
2016 was the year of the Linux desktop for me. It's a different year for every person.
@@fakecubedit's the year it gains significant marketshare.
I hope the situation with anticheat improves. Those few games I'm playing with my friends keeping me back from from using Linux full time on my desktop. (Also I wouldn't think LoL drops off so quickly, that game is already a decade old and still played by many.) Also keeping an eye on Vanilla OS 2 Orchid.
Well, for me, LoL has dropped instantly since it isn't playable on Linux any more. Happy I hadn't spent a single penny on that game.
I then said "Hi, here is my wallet mister Valve".
Tbh I'm surprised microsoft is happy with these anticheat rootkits.
I think you nailed it. I pretty much agree with you on most things, if not on everything. I'm happy about the path that Linux is following.
That segue wasn't expected 🔥😅
Hahah I tried to be full of surprises!
I am a recent convert from Windows to Linux Mint 21.2. I am in music production and multimedia art. I am really looking forward to improvements in Pipewire. It's almost there, but I will be patient and hope that the few audio issues that I have on one of my machines will eventually get sorted out.
It would be nice if we didn't have to edit config files to change the sample rate or bit depth.
I'm preparing for the switch to Fedora and seeing this video is very encouraging
Fedora is a great choice!
I just did a month ago hahahah
I use Fedora, too
Only if you dont use Nvidia GPUs or KDE Plasma.
@@cameronbosch1213 I'm using none of this so i'm fine i guess
steam deck absolutely counts i already ran linux on my main pc when i got it but the desktop mode singlehandely convinced me to switch from i3 to kde on account of kde being extremely good
The only issue I still have with Wayland is screen sharing via Teams (Microsoft has dropped its Linux Teams app, but the web version works fine), which I use for work.
Same. I can't share my screen on Discord.
Is it something related to Pipewire? I installed gstreamer-pipewire and Google Meet allowed sharing screen.
Personally I think that nvk and noveaue combined will at least catch up to and possibly overtake the proprietary drivers for most cases.
Additionally, I think that the Asahi project will complete the work they have left with supporting the current Apple chips
NVK currently supports Turing (RTX 20XX and GTX 16XX) and later GPUs.
This is extremely unlikely. You're vastly underestimating how hard it is to write a graphics driver for a card you don't have the specs for
You're not getting CUDA or any of the DLSS tech, i.e., the features that differentiate Nvidia hardware from AMD. If all you want is raw raster performance, then you can just straight up buy AMD hardware. You don't have to pray for better drivers, they're already fine.
I've been running Linux for a long time now and proton has been a boon for the few games I play on steam (hopefully 64 bit client is coming soon)
Everything I need to do in Linux works perfectly and I find out if it doesn't work then it's not worth doing.
Overall whilst I think Linux market share will increase it will be of a decreasing market of desktop and laptop computers as more people move to being mobile only
Yeah, people who actually need to do things with their computers will eventually all switch to Linux. People who are just consuming content will switch to mobile, which are all running off of some kind of Linux or Unix kernel these days.
Most important to get more users, better software like a good outlook or Adobe alternative.
I been using Stacounter over 15yrs! love it.. and my Kubuntu .. and my MXLinux..!!
Best CZcamsr for Linux content!
Welcome
I like Linux Mint's cautious approach, adding it as an option but not shoving it in your face. There's too many cool and useful apps that just don't work, some of which may never work. Plank, a Mac-like dock will straight up not launch and if you run it in a terminal the reason given is lack of Wayland support. Simple Screen Recorder also doesn't work under Wayland. Wayland is definitely functional for a lot of super basic use cases but I think it has further to go to reach feature parity with x11 than people think.
If they could figure out how to make all flatpak packages just properly conform to your desktop themes and scaling without extra work (and maybe update along with the core packages without a separate action [I use pacman]), then I might gladly welcome flatpak as the main thing. For now though, the packages that come with each distro still seem to be the most reliable and least finicky.
Great stuff!
Thank you.
I recently switched to Linux and I love it. I use KDE Neon on my PC and the immutable Fedora Kinoite on my laptop, which was the best distro suggestion I got on Reddit. The only thing I miss from Windows is Visual Studio and C# app frameworks (Avalonia is good, but not as good, UNO is pain for setting up, Xamarin is obsolete and MAUI isn't on Linux yet)
Yeah, C# (especially C# GUI) development is awful on Linux. I've been trying for years to find a good solution, but haven't. There needs to be a Qt 6 library for it.
@@RokeJulianLockhart.s13ouq I think KDE Plasma 6 will support qt 6? saw it somewhere in a video. would that even solve ur problem?
@@myryk Plasma 5 already supports running Qt6-based software. Plasma 6 shall merely use Qt6 for its 1st-party software. However, none of that affects me, because I'm referring to being able to utilize the toolkit via a .NET codebase (C#) which currently doesn't appear to be possible, hence why we must utilize inadequate GUI toolkits like Neo and MAUI.
Let's be optimistic and hope for 3.5% in the next survey. I think that, maybe in 2025, when the Steam Deck 2 drops, we could make 5% if the AMD APU is as good as it's hyped up to be.
Having an Ubuntu 22 PC I have never been able up to know to make screen sharing work properly with Wayland. Hope it becomes easier to fix that, if not the deprecating of X11 will be messy
flatpak is amazing, i use it on my linux mint edge installation (gtx 1650 nvidia 535 driver propietary, i3 12100f, msi motherboard), never had issues with it. i prefer x11 because it does the job, minimal i/o latency
I've been gaining traction on Linux as a whole. I've switched almost all my computers over to some form of Linux. Another milestone is convincing my mom to start using Linux Mint. Which has been the backbone for most of my daily use cases.
Something changed in the last 12 months. Suddenly I no longer get any resistance when I suggest somebody switches to Linux. They just try it out, and then don't go back.
There is only one way to increase the market share. It is by selling more and more computers with Linux pre-installed. This can only be achieved with immuable (or immutable) Linux distro. Ubuntu will lead this trend for sure.
No it won't. I agree with more computers with Linux preinstalled are necessary, but immutable distros are a bit of an iffy proposition.
Here's to hoping for a productive 2024 year for Linux. Been wanting to make the switch from windows over to someone more friendly like the steam deck. I know it'll eventually get a full release so I'm looking forward to that
Also HDR being supported will be a nice addition. New features and quality of life tweaks make it all more enticing to make the switch.
Hope linux gets more virtual reality support as well. Windows is the only contender so far but it would be nice to have the additional optimization of not having windows background processes running.
So much potential and we'll surely get there
I have recently got way into chrome OS and poking around alot I find alot about it I really like. Nice to see android kind of taking a bigger role in it now and how they made the linux environment easy to access is great to help people develop for android and chrome os on the system
I have been in the beta channel for chrome os update since about mid september and it was rocky for a second switching over to lacros 😂 but man it is nice and definitely relevant now.
lol like clockwork, an update notification just popped up 😂
Great video, I agree with your predictions. Any game developer that is actively against their games working on Linux won't get my money. Thousands of games already work fine, I won't miss a few that have idiot developers.
Honestly, I think the ideal packaging would be flatpak + deb, because I like how compact and simple debs are to manage, and flatpak for apps I want to be stable a the cost of a gigabyte or two. I would hate to see traditional packaging go away completely
OMG ITS THE YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP i say this every year when the time ticks over to a new year
I use batocera for a gaming os, is that the best? Should i try laka? Do any complete linux os’s have the game console app built in? Thanks! Love the show im a new fan!
Im glad to see valve take it time releasing steamos and I do think the major hold up is nvidia on wayland.
I just ended up going with Bazzite for my media center as it's based on the holo.iso anyway.
10% is so ambitious. Even though it seems like new versions of ChromeOS are labelled as Linux, that's 3% raise for an entire year. I could see those numbers after Windows 10 reaches EOL in two years, but I think it's a little more than we'll get this year
I mean, if Chrome OS grows another 3% in 2024 we'll be seeing roughly 9% already.
@@nerobernardino88 I guess, we could potentially see that
@Nick will you review the new tuxedo pulse gen 3 and sirius laptops?
As you quite requested it and i like your work to keep us up to date on whats going on around Linux i think i can do the small favor requested:
You are right, you are wrong and there are areas that you missed.
It looks like Windows is worse than I thought. First 11 would cause a lot of Windows 10 machines to be thrown out despite not being broken. Then 12 would be the start of them introducing subscriptions into Windows. That may be for certain "features" but how long is it before you will have to pay a monthly fee before you can login to your Windows machine? I remember that Windows 10 (which I still use for now BTW) is not subscription based. Instead they turned Microsoft Office into a subscription. I remember back in the XP days you could edit a video with the editor that it came with and there was never any kind of subscription on it at all. There are other editors but really I thought that one was really simple to use and it was free since XP came with it. Now we have Clipchamp in Windows 10 and to edit a video in a higher resolution you would have to pay a subscription fee. XP never did that nonsense!
It is time for us to switch to Linux and part ways with Microsoft. We must use them as an example of what happens when you start to turn everything into a subscription so that the rest of the software publishers will see that what they are doing is wrong and we can not continue to allow it. We need to make companies that took away perpetual licenses to their software reconsider what they have done and give their customers back what they paid for instead of taking away things they paid for already. If we continue to let them walk all over us like this everything will be a subscription and even come with prices that continue to creep higher and higher. We have a chance now to prevent this so wake up and speak up for your rights!!
A bit too late. Late stage capitalism US-style has decided that the consumer will have nothing. Everything will become a service. "Purchase" and "own" will mean lease or subscribe to. Since they have the means to disable your devices remotely, why wouldn't they? "Games as a Service" means the company will shut down the servers as soon as your multiplayer game is not popular enough. Heard about what Samsung did in Mexico? It's already happening. A gigantic backlash against Microsoft might slow things down but it would have to include their corporate customers too and I think they're smart enough to cut enough sweetheart subscription deals to prevent that happening.
My personal comments on the things:
Ever since I got my AMD GPU for my desktop, I've not been using Xorg at all. I'm so excited for Wayland.
As for NVIDIA, well I think I much prefer AMD GPUs anyway, not just for Linux-related reasons.
I bet Linux marketshare will be at 4.09% - 4.11% at the end of the year. A lot of regular people still don't find Linux that engaging enough, so the marketshare won't be that large.
I hope Linux gaming will rise, but I doubt any major changes. Im very excited for HDR though because this is what Linux lacks.
In my opinion, we should've stopped with AppImages, snaps, and flatpak. I know this is a very hot take, but we should've rather just worked on improving especially package managers like apt (upstream).
Immutable distros are extremely overrated. Period.
I also don't see much hope for app support because these developers are lousy chicken. I think we should rather focus on making our alternatives even better.
If AMD gets its act together on the GPU hardware side of things, I might prefer them, but I need my speed and CUDA cores for most of what I do with my workstation, sadly.
@@fakecubed That's fair! I'm lucky enough to not rely on CUDA cores, though I acknowledge that AMD isn't perfect when it comes to their GPU division
Before starting to drop anything, can we please make sure that the thing that replaces it is at least working as good as the old thing?
That's why there are Alpha and beta versions of products.
I've been dual booting Windows and EndeavorOS for a year now. I'm about ready to full swap for a year and see how it goes.
I know for sure my next PC build will have Linux (Likely Linux Mint) as the primary OS. Will probably virtualize Windows should I need to though.
One thing I wish would happen is Parsec allowing hosting on Linux systems.
Linux still needs to standartize some format to install apps without having to deal with dependencies and that will not stop running in a couple of years when libraries change version. AppImage is a nice solution for that, but it should be easier for the user, he should NOT need to install anything to run the app, not even do the chmod or create sahortcuts in Gnome/KDE by himself. And of course, it should run in ANY distro. This will make life easier for packages mainteiners and companies, that won't have to support a lot of different package format.
If they could make easier to build the appImage, it would be great too, I've tried once, but I just give up. Making debs or rpms is way easier.
Containers are not the solution. You can't have 200 instances of the same dependencies running all at once across all 200 flatpaks running at the same time. It's a stupid waste of resources and will turn Linux into a Windows experience with a sluggish performance to match.
If users really are concerned Linux has the utilities that shed light on what's going on. Namely the binutils and strace etc. There's even mechanisms for dealing with library version mismatches. I've run multiple versions of libc on systems. That's what LD_LIBRARY_PATH is for. What I'm saying is it all can be done if you know how to do it. You don't just get behind the wheel and drive, you learn how first.
@@KarriOjala containers are very good solution, because not only do they ensure app working, but also add security. Also you are not installing same deps multiple times, these things are handled with shared runtime. It is true that flatpaks take a bit more storage than native packages, but it is good tradeoff becuse storage is cheap and not major issue in modern desktops.
I've never understood people complaining about Linux's package systems. Half of all distributions use d deb files. The other half are Arch derivatives. Plus RedHat with its rpm. Learn one and stick with it. Universal formats are only an addition when your distro does not have a given package or has a version that is too old. From an application developer's perspective, if you provide a deb package, the rest of the distribution will adapt it to their format. There is no need to package it in 10 formats.
Flatpak devs should target their focus on making the format better for app stores and devs. Flatpak don't have good documentation for most environments (like python), and not being able to publish bundles to the flathub like we can do with Snaps is a big dealbraker.
Flatpak is already very similar to Android packages, so why not use the same idea?
What would it take for developers of GIMP, LibreOffice, et al. to meet the proprietary programs where they are? Which is to say, to cross the remaining gap in functionality and to make the FOSS offerings compatible with the others?
It requires funding and years of work. Blender crossed that gap.
Individual donations could help. Personally I'd match donations amount to what I've spent on closed source.
Blender is definitely the way. More projects should be like Blender. Blender is supported by both corporate sponsors and a lot of users making monthly donations, plus some government grants. With that money they have many full time devs, and have artists on staff who actually use the software daily and can provide immediate testing and feedback, and drive development in the right directions to add features artists actually are clamoring for. The in-house artists also help produce content and educational materials for the user base. It's a great project and one that should be replicated in as many areas of software as possible.
I thought Linux was about choice and difference so maybe it’s a good thing that everyone doesn’t just get onboard with just building variations of the same basic stack. If a distro wants to build a different packaging system, use a different sound subsystem or a different compositor I see that as a strength. It’s where the interesting ideas and innovation come about.
We really need to fix the packaging BS... AppImages can stay for their own niche, but that should be the exception! We need to have a main way with proper permission management!!!
100% agreed
To do that we need better dev environments. Like, how can I know what libs will be in the runtime, how can I publish my app as a bundle like any other store.
Flatpak specific libs like the android runtime libs would be a great addition, and a better app store format for Flathub is necessary
What's wrong with setting proper chmod on executable?
@@GreyDeathVaccine it's not about permissions lol. Everyone knows appimage has its own problems and it doesn't integrate well with the system. The only package system that solves the dependency hell and "integrates well" with the system is Flatpak, but they are still a mess and poorly designed for a lot of occasions, thus making user experience annoying and overwhelming.
I really liked windows 10, but 11 was awful and I'm terrified of 12. I've already swapped my main PC to linux and am trying to standardize it before I migrate my family, but I'm waiting for green team drivers, whenever that happens.
I gave up on green team drivers. I went Linux, and Nvidia can get me back by giving real open source driver support.
It’s worth it to get away from Windows.
Yay, I'm an anecdote~ Commenting from the Deck Desktop XD
Nice!
Wayland is still a partial solution, hard to replace many X11 functions, check any remote GUI control and you get blanks
I'll consider switching when wireless projector are supported. They use them at my school and linux simply cannot use Miracast reliably. Win+K is great and I would love the same thing on linux.
Yeah, desktop casting needs to get better.
Windows seems to push forward to integrate AI into the OS. I do not see AI at a stage where it is impossible to not have side effects. Maybe some big crash is going to happen that move Windows users towards chrome books or Linux. Same as twitter has pushed it's users to different platforms.
Or, AI might not fail, and then Linux will be another decade behind. It all depends on the implementation. My S24 Ultra utilizes AI, and it's fantastic. I use it constantly to modify my writing's tone or grammar. The photo features are great as well. AI is one of those things that, whether you like it or not, is going to change everything. The ball is in Microsoft's court, and I don't believe they will make a mistake when it comes to AI. They've invested a lot of money into it, and the rest of the industry has as well.
Wayland still doesn't work 100% stutter free on gnome even with the Ubuntu triple buffering patch applied and the now individual threads for KVM on Gnome 45. Will it ever work properly on GNOME?
Will they make official snap and flatpak package for Steam app?i know that unofficial already exist.
I think hyprland will overtake gnome and kde in 2024
so true king
it will happen on 10.07.2024
@@jacekpoz2203 no, it will happen on my bday
Truest thing I have read today
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microsoft can fall like others, like Nokia, Blackberry etc... nobody thought those giants were going to fall and they really did.
None of those were worth over a trillion dollars. You know your operating system is bad if the only hope is that your competitors fail. Linux has nothing for the average user that Windows and Mac do not already offer. No one cares about free and open-source software, and the spying issue is normalized since we carry smartphones that are much better at tracking us. These are not my own views, but they are the truth and how the average person thinks. I mean, the market share is a testament to this.
For me, ChromeOS will be a regular Linux distro when it ships Flatpak and Flathub by default as this would directly improve Linux distros that we generally use.
Windows moving to subscription would cause a landslide migration to other OSes. The Linux community needs to rally behind a few builds and make them amazing!
Woohoo🎉, Am i the first one?
About the application support, what I'm hearing is:
1. Adobe/Microsoft wont build their apps for Linux because there's not enough users.
2. There's not enough Linux users because Adobe/Microsoft wont build there apps for Linux.
3. Repeat step 1
Enough paying users rather than just enough users. There's an assumption that Linux users won't pay for software and therefore companies won't port apps to Linux. It's a bit of a debate at the moment with the "post-open" debate going on as to whether people should pay for FOSS they are currently using free of charge.
@@tgheretfordSteam proves Linux users pay.
Personally I'd prefer paying for FOSS as it allows patching software - closed source frozen in time, required services stopped.
I've bought plenty of software to run on Linux.
Anyway, Adobe and Microsoft can go screw themselves with their subscription model crap. Linux users should be supporting Linux software instead, whether that means paying for it, donating to projects, or submitting code. Look at Blender, they bring in lots of money every year, but the software is free for anyone to use and the code is open source. They're a non profit, and people voluntarily pay for the development fund. And they're supported by some big companies, too, that value an open source project that is free of any weird licenses, subscriptions, or limits on installs. Not every piece of FOSS is going to be supported by a development fund and grants, but it makes a lot of sense for big pieces of productivity software that needs a lot of active development to figure out a way to pay for full time devs. It can't all just be grants and corporate sponsors, either, but users do need to be chipping in. Lots of small donations that add up to a lot is better than a lot coming from one source that might not be around next year.
Imagine if GIMP, Darktable, and Inkscape had as strong a community as Blender does. Nobody would still be talking about how Adobe isn't willing to port to Linux.
I have been using Wayland since installing kde and Debian 12, honeslty I didnt even notice. Have not had any issues whatsoever
I'm new to Linux. Is it hard to make windows remember where I placed them? I move them to the center of the screen, and every time I reopen them, they open at the top left. Why would that not be an important detail to implement out of the box? Also, the one thing that comes to mind is for new users, why is it that apps do not come with self installation? Not everyone wants to use commands. Is it the software developers who don't want to spend the extra time making it install or is it something to do with the OS? I am aware of flat packs repositories and snaps, but I get the feeling that I am not likely to find the apps I'm interested in are not going to be there, or they are old buggy versions, and coming from Windows, I am used to finding the app online, downloading it and installing it. Why can't this be done on Linux? It would make transitioning way easier. I know some apps do work like this, but there also seems to be an acceptance of just having to learn a bunch of commands and complex steps that is really standing in the way of just using the OS. Not everyone wants to learn all of this. Not everyone who uses Windows has to take a course on DOS in order to use Windows. I have looked at 4 or 5 Distros, and I really like them, but I'm just looking for some helpful insight about Linux. Thanks for any helpful info.
Windows is a piece of trash that has gotten worse and worse every year. It is now even more privacy invasive considering they are building CoPilot right into the OS to record all your chats and send them back to MS. I cannot imagine actually using that as my daily OS with the amount of data they collect on you even if it wasn't such a poor OS. I just wish they'd bring MS Office to Linux as a Flatpak as that product of theirs is actually really good and no the alternatives do not work as well for my use case.
Have you tried "ONLYOFFICE desktop editor" ? It seems to work with microsoft fonts really well. I tried some documents that i have created in ms office 2021 and opened it in onlyoffice. Everything was perfect in it. Not even a slight change i can notice. If not then you can try setting up windows inside of a vm and using a shared folder network for exchanging files between linux host and windows vm. Using virtualbox also works really well.
It's really amazing. Microsoft has done a lot of good things in the last few years, but their AI obsession and the ad department having more and more sway over key apps and the OS just brings all those things down. If they were less hellbent on forcing Edge/Bing/AI, Win11 would be a killer OS. Alas, not the timeline we live in.
@@Komatik_And support for more hardware.
I am stuck on x11 still, it's year 2024 and Gnome/wayland still has no way to adjust mouse scroll sensitivity.. Windows xp had that. Games on wayland are unplayable, input latency is insane, even on single player titles I can't hit/aim, how bad it is. Fractional scaling... Don't dare to use that, especially if have 2 monitors, mouse will start to flicker like crazy... These paper cuts add up to unusable experience unfortunately, every step is a challenge sometimes. And where can one get help? All I get told - It works on my PC, well, good for you buddy, I am still having issues. So yeah, experience is quite annoying sometimes, and yet other things are way better than, say on Windows. I rant sometimes, but I still like it more than Microsoft shenanigans.
You might wanna try the new KDE plasma 6 on Wayland that it's releasing this February 28.
Also all these issues you mentioned don't exist on plasma 5 already.
@@draftofspasiba2 I always was a Gnome fan, I like overall workflow, and clean, simple desktop. But there is a reason Valve picked KDE I suppose, can disable compositor while gaming, to improve responsiveness, can adjust mouse wheel sensitivity, it does seem like some of my issues would be resolved, but I use a lot of GTK apps and they don't look too good on KDE, kinda out of place, and there aren't many QT apps I do use... dunno how overall aesthetics of it would feel.
@@Eimantasks I mean, their GTK integration is better than QT integration on Gnome. Also you could try to customize its appearance/workflow the way you like since that's what plasma is known for. I say wait for the new plasma 6 and give it a shot, you might like it after some customizations.
Package formats of Windows: exe, msi, msix, mst, msp, appv, appx, intunewin, thinapp
Package formats of Mac: dmg, mpkg, pkg, app
I won't even comment on distributing the software using a script like a .sh or a .ps1 (powershell). There are still those who leave the software in a rar or zip file.
It's silly to worry about this on Linux too, it's not unanimous anywhere. Maybe on iOS, because it's completely closed. Or on video game consoles.
I'm wondering what kind of progress we'll see for rust in the kernel
I actually hope the market share of Linux doesn't grow as fast as you're predicting. A slow and steady growth of 1-2% a year would ensure that more people coming into Linux adopt the free software mindset. If we grow too quickly we may find that people used to the proprietary ecosystem start to crowd out the free software people in the Linux ecosystem.
You will not replace us?
If all you want is free shit, then you don't really care about the Linux platform. A healthy platform is one where people can actually make money selling software for it. That brings money to Linux itself, because there's money companies can invest to make it better, more secure, etc. Not all the software will be paid, and of course there's already great free software available that isn't going anywhere.
I've used tons of free apps on Mac and Windows, too, despite both of those OSes coming with a big price tag and a community around them that is largely okay with proprietary stuff. Often enough free programs on those platforms are better than similar paid apps. A large user base means there's plenty of software of all kinds available, open source, proprietary, free, paid, whatever. More choices for more people is a good thing. A small market share means more software abandoning the platform, and fewer new software being created.
The benefits of FOSS are are strong enough to handle competition from proprietary software. Linux's user base growing is only a good thing, and the faster it happens the better.
@@fakecubed To clarify, I did mean free as in freedom. Like, referring to FOSS, not price. But in general I would contest that fast growth is a good thing and that Linux needs lots of money and mass adoption. Yes, greater adoption means more freedom for more people, but there's also a lot to be said for not compromising on morals for the sake of growth. A lot of bad stuff has come out of silicone valley's relentless drive for growth. And I just don't think Linux needs to be like that.
@@fakecubed I cannot agree with your statements or conclusions. Linux seems like a healthy platform to me. Yet funding is not coming from anyone selling software. How can that be? I'd bet a lot of that free software you've run on Mac and Windows was ported from Linux. You are like Neo. You feel The Matrix exists yet you don't quite know what it is. Keep searching. The quest is important. Really explore precisely what the benefits of FLOSS are. Details matter.
@@1pcfred VLC, that's about it. Everything else was a platform exclusive free program, whether open source or not. There has always been lots of freeware on Windows and Mac, and Linux. Lots of indie developers out there who did it for the passion, not money. Some of the software I use on Linux now that's free was actually ported from Mac or Windows originally, or runs in a Wine wrapper. You should get out of your Linux bubble and learn more about the world.
I know all about FOSS and the benefits. But fanboying isn't useful.
No, people would not give Linux a "try" even if Windows 10 dies and Windows 12 is released. Majority of the people simply uses their laptop and expects it's a Windows operating system. Windows just will never die.
It's annoying for me too, I need linux market share reach at least 50% so that majority of app development and game development focuses on linux so that I'll live life without using a Windows VM. But that will never happen in the first 10 years nor even 20 years. I might die of old age before linux becomes mainstream in the desktop world.
25 months of using linux here, no regrets.
what are you even talking about
It may, if we get another Wannacry and Microsoft ignores Windows 10.
I've switched to web development in 2008 so I don't have to run Windows. Things already improved a lot.
If you're only at this for 25 months, you haven't been around it long enough to see the rapid improvement and the increasing willingness of normies to take Linux seriously.
@@fakecubed your normies will not switch to linux. how many people are willing to spend time figuring how their computers work when they can dump that task to an IT and pay them? computers for them are just tools, and whatever works the best will be used and that is WINDOWS.
they will move to windows 12. companies will buy new laptops with windows 11/12 preinstalled.
"normies" that uses the internet and wants to tinker with their computers ain't normies.
i can say this because i find it hard to make ppl switch to linux as much as I want them to but they just won't because not worth of their time. government won't switch to linux because there is money to be made in microsoft (corruption, basically). i only have 27 months of experience of linux but i feel like it is my home already, i have control on stuffs that i want unlike windows. iirc, india is moving towards their own homemade distro, which is cool. i wish my country does that as well.
i am starting to see a little bit of hope that average people will switch to linux, but for now all i can do is make people want to move to linux. it's a win-win for me, the more ppl uses linux (even normies is a plus), the more potential money is to be made by companies (cus users are asset generator)
i feel like cosmic de will play major role in modern desktop linux space. It will use all new fancy stuff like wayland, flatpak and pipewire, but it doesnt have legacy code, it is written from scratch to use those things, and it uses rust so there is good chance performance will be good with much less memory leaks than other DEs. Only way i can see this not being true in future is if system76 messes the ui too much and go kde way.
I think appimages are fundamentally different from flatpaks and snaps, and not really competing with those
Even I switched to Ubuntu from windows 11. I was fed up of windows and it's updates and it's slowness. Ubuntu works so fast and I love it.
Yeah what's Microsoft doing with updates bitcoin mining? Even if I have to rebuild my kernel module when I update it doesn't take long.
It seems I ran into a comparability issue between a newer version of x11 . It appears to utilize a newer version of nfts . It is called like 3g 2 or 3 so if you have an external formatted to the old 3g it gives an error of wrong FS .
X has nothing to do with file systems. X is a server.
I moved to linux desktop 3 years ago ( ignoring Raspberry Pi) I haven't missed Windows once. I bought a Tuxedo Laptop as my new dailydriver year ago and it is awesome.
"And of course we can't begin without something that's sure to happen in 2024, and that's this segue to our sponsor."
I laughed, loudly, good sir. Well done.
What's holding me back from going full LInux is that Amazon Prime, Netflix, and other subscription services do not allow HD streaming through browsers on Linux.
They allow only 1080p on browsers in Windows, but to get full 4K streaming you have to use an android box or iPad/iPhone apple related shenanigans.
So terrible of them. So dissapointing.
After resisting a lot, I made up my mind and decided to made a full switch from Windows to Linux starting on December. I went the easy road with Ubuntu 23(already used it sometimes before) and I could say that was one of the best decisions I took recently. I still can play the games I usually play(since I don't play many multiplayer games, and well, Riot Games can shove their rootkit up their 4ss) and can use my daily tools as I intend without all the bloat
Welcome. Indeed, for you, 2023 was the year of the Linux desktop. Keep learning and you'll be an old pro in no time.
I would say that the distro packages is better then flatpak, but for apps that are proprietary or heavy desktop apps like a web browser the start to make sense.
but I prefer the snappiness of distro packages and launching packages using a dmenu / bemenu is a pain in flatpak.
Happy New Year to you and to your crew. My wish is for you guys to have good health, prosperity, and much success.
I believe that you missed a category, and that is "HARDWARE". Will users get 8 core systems by default? Will there be a "Norm" for a graphics card design? And is DDR3,DDR4 passé.
And what about $$$$ costs. Will we need 8gigs min ram, and will we have 1TB SSDs as the default size? I would also be concerned about telecom, TV cards and TV channels for Linux etc.
Ew television 📺
there are some problems with wayland currently. so gui library automation tools doesnt work well. so i switch to X again.
If I'm able to fully migrate my intel+nvidia optimus to wayland this year, while still be able to use rtd3 power management and xwayland without problems. this will be a miracle.
I no longer even bother checking if a game will run well with Proton before buying something that interests me, I just assume it will and I'm rarely disappointed. Linux is in an incredibly good state now for gaming. I'm not playing a lot of triple-A, to be fair.
My computer is still predominantly a workstation for me, and the software I run for productivity runs better on Linux than it does on my Windows boot drive on the same hardware. I'm quite happy on the platform as a daily driver.
Remarkably, I've managed to convince people to switch to Linux in the last year. It wasn't even that hard. The way things are going with both Windows and the Mac, people are far more willing to leave those platforms, and at least try out the alternative. I find the biggest thing is just getting somebody to try it. Once they do, they realize it's not actually that bad, and then they often stick with it.
upgraded to fedora 39 with the intention to skip fedora 40. Hoping that by the time 41 releases all the wayland issues are figured out.