BMW R NineT | Better Than The Speed Twin?
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- čas přidán 6. 11. 2021
- I've recently been riding the Triumph Speed Twin so I'm sticking with the retro classic theme and trying the 2021 BMW R nineT. How does this classic inspired Boxer Twin compare to the newly revamped Triumph?
Well stick around to find out!
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Love an RnineT me, lovely premium feel and love those clocks - when I was in the retro market I just didn’t fancy another boxer engine though (especially the “old” one)…for me the Speed Twin pips it but then I like lazy riding and love the idea of owning Triumphs. Great video again Choppsy - you’re really rather good at this!
I'm with Mr. Flyer holding it down for us sorta young guys who love bikes with lots of grunt and don't have all the time in the world for track days (*cough* kids). I would appreciate it if Ser Chopsie would test out what I ride the R1250R and see what kind of abuse it can take 😆
Yeah it's a lovely bike, actually something to add to my lotto bike list! 🤩 just need to win now!
@@josgraha Agreed, I ride a R1250R as well, and would love to see his take on our naked Shift-Cam torque monster.
Great way to describe this bike as 75% playtime and 25% ride enjoyment, find that exact same ratio when riding my R1250R and at some point I've even asked myself why not just go the extra 25% into a speed triple. especially coming from sport bikes and even more especially on the rare occasion I get dusted by a supernaked 😆
@@pbofan me: when buying my first BMW (a 900 gs) telling the salesman not to bother showing me the fancy dash and whiz wheel wondering why they can't offer analog clocks on a dual sport
Also me: when trading it for the R1250R don't bother showing me the nine-t even if it had cruise because I can't live without the amazing dash and whiz wheel 😆
Great review. You actually show details of the bike like the adjustable shocks and the USB. Love seeing close up details. Some of us use these videos to decide which bike to buy and tiny details are very nice to know! Very few others take the time to do that. Very helpful and excellent job. Thanks!
had one of these as a rental on holiday in Italy years ago, fell in love with that boxer motor! I've a 1250gs now, still in love, amazing engine. Would love an R Nine T one day, especially now that they chucked cruise control on there. Great mixture of classic and modern, kudos LCR and BMW
Great review Chops! I do miss hanging around in the garage while you work on your bikes. Can’t wait for more of that!
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I rode one of these a couple of years ago and loved it. My bike is a K1300S and it does psychotic very well. It might take a bit to get the lower horse power into my head but as I'm getting older now, it's sounding like a good proposition.
Stunning bike these are, was soooooo close to getting one around a year ago. And, they hold their value really well. Build quality is exceptional (even for bmw) and this is reflected in the pricing. As always, top review chops. 👍👍
Agree with that 100%
I’ve always found it weird how everyone refers to this model as the base R9T variant when it’s actually top of the range. Another great review Chops 👍
100%
Concur.
The base model has RWU forks, gaitors and is the so called "blank canvas".
Its also 2 - 3 grand Sterling cheaper, and if i was buying new, the one i'd go for.
Also like the retro GS version.
@@michaelhayward7572 I owned a “Bumble Bee” R100GS from 1992 to 2011. Wish I hadn’t sold it! The 40th Edition Urban GS is tempting….but with black (not yellow) hand guards. Trying to recapture those happy memories 👍
To be fair that's down to BMW calling the base version the Pure. Weird because it's essentially the original right way up fork version but heyho Beemer wouldn't be Beemer without some quirkiness.
I really like the R nine T, a cracking looking bike and a great review of it, John. It’s very interesting how you thought the Speed Twin was easier to just cruise about on, while the nine T wanted to push on - a good point and worth considering.
Looking forward to seeing the Hyper vid 👍
Andy🏴
I have the 2021 Scrambler. My first bike ever. I've tested a few other bikes practicing, Honda, Yamaha etc, street bikes. I must say that I love the NineT. Good ride height, enough space for feet when shifting, awesome sound, and above all, the responsiveness through the revs. Not very nice to ride on the highway though since it doesn't have covers. I often get questions and comments about it. My first bike and I hope I will get to give it to my son when he's old enough.
Hi there! I'm looking to buy the same bike but I'm a bit concerned about the hight - I'm 6"2 and I wonder whether it won't be too small?
Your reviews are really great and very fun to watch!
The 75/25 assessment makes perfect sense. When the bike is too fast you’ve got to zone in more as opposed to just taking your time to relax and enjoy it. Both types of rides are enjoyable ofcourse but definitely different
One of the best reviews I’ve seen on these great bikes. 👍
Wow it makes perfect sense what you mentioned about the enjoyment percentages between bike and ride, I am debating between a Bonneville or a Nine T, the fact that the Nine T wants to go fast, is probably a showstopper for me. Probably the most useful review for me, spot on with what I wanted to know about the bike.
I absolutely love the look of these bikes. Great honest review.
I test drove this R NineT five years ago or so, I thought it was a rowdy, hoot to ride and like TMF mentioned I love that it had\has dual clocks. Also, the R NineT has to be the most muscular, brutish looking bikes made, I luv it.
That's my Sunday morning viewing sorted......thanks Chops 👍😁
Great review, had one a few years ago and had beautiful detail around the bike.
Loving these Sunday morning videos!
I’ve got the Speed Twin, and love it, but didn’t think to try the rNineT. As a larger lumpier person perhaps I should have..
Love this review. You have a real nack of waffling some pearls of wisdom chopsy 😄 The 75/25 ratio comment was gold
Let's say it, anyone with an eye for design loves the R9T range. It feels like a special bike to ride, and although I enjoyed my Gen 1 Speed Twin it kind of gets lost in the Triumph range with Streets and other Bonnevilles. The R9T seems unique and I love the running characteristics of the Boxer. A keeper!
what kind of riding do you do with these bikes? How long of a ride? I ride a honda monkey and I love doing long rides (200+ miles) but I cannot go faster than 60 mph so that's the limiting factor. But the monkey is super comfortable for all day rides. I wonder if i should get a bigger bike but the weight is intimidating. the monkey is only 220 lbs.
@@edwardchoe1495 Do not worry about the weight. Its a bit of an issue at crawling speeds but the weight disappears once you get moving.
The gyroscopic principle helps to keep your bike upright, so the faster you go the lighter it will feel.
Its possible to corner just as good on heavy bikes, and maneuvering through traffic will be a breeze if you get a short wheelbase streetfighter.
I have a 2017 and everything you said was spot on, it's a combination of a retro and a naked bike. There is a lot of aftermarket and customization you can do on the R9T range. The R9T Pure would go up against the Speed Twin the R9T classic/roadster would go against the Thruxton although the Thruxton RS is probably a bit sportier.
dear friend I had a dilemma, speed twin or nine but thanks to you I decided for bmw and I am happy...greetings from Spain.
It's nice to stretch and relax your feet on the cylinders on those bikes. Nice on cool days as well, gives pleasant warmth
Fantastic review and thank you so much for your time 🙏
You're welcome 👍
Good review Choppsy, I’ve not ridden the Speed Twin but bought an RnineT Scrambler about three months ago and am totally smitten. That said the stock rear shocker was not great so had a Nitron unit fitted (MCT Stowmarket) and have fitted a Wunderlich thicker seat so comfort levels are great now. Beautiful build quality…..I can see me keeping this bike for a good while,
Quality review thanks chopsy.
First bmw I've ever wanted to buy! At 6,2" size of bike does matter to me. Thanks!
Love my 2019 Urban GS R9T, peppy, quirky, goes like a bat out of hell, you can even tour on it- bags of character, plus it makes me smile everytime i see it sat in my garage. Apparently the new '21 model is slightly less engaging, according to other youtubers
Had an r9t really liked it. But now I have the speed twin first 100 miles on the triumph and I'm impressed, both bikes are really nice to ride.
I agree, I've gone the other way, from a 2019 Speedie to 2022 RNineT. I ride larger distances and the chain maintenance is tricky as I live in an apartment building.
For me it is the most fun and beautiful Bmw bike, hands down ! Great video good job.
Buddy, mega edit as usual, The cinematography, all the different angles and camera views are A+🔝👌🏻 and of course you’re the best in the biz when it comes to actually vlogging, and articulating your thoughts. Are you ever on top of your game right now or what. Now let’s talk about this bike, really enjoyed the thorough review, looks like an incredible machine, it has so much character and charm. Not to mention style 🆒🎬🎥👍🏻
Thanks Mike 👍 😊
Another great review Chops! I owned a 2015 R9T very similar to this one. Never really gell'd with that bike. That side to side motion was "unusual" and also the transmission and the way it shifted with the shaft drive was "unusual" too. Never could get used to those two things. It was a beautiful bike though and I got a lot of comments on it. I still think the Speed Twin is the better looking bike though, and I'm really leaning towards getting one of those.... time to do some bike shopping!
I test drove an r9 and it was nice but the Bonnie was better for me.
My dream machine. Much prefer those clocks over the naff, sparkly, OTT Speed Twin version.
That's actually important, given they're in your line of sight all the time.
Thanks chopsy, enjoyed over coffee Sunday morn...
Nicely done! I recently sold my 2019 R9T and purchased the 2022 Speed Twin and absolutely love it. No going back!
Is it just a different experience you're enjoying, or is it something specific?
@@e.l.9589 I would have to say the handling and also like the higher profile of the Speed Twin. The R9T sits lower. Sound from the stock dual pipes as well.
The handling on my 2020 Speed twin was abysmal due to the poor quality of the suspension...... A set of YSS shock absorbers and decent progressive fork springs with pre load adjusters transformed the bike. Shouldn't have to do that on a new 12k bike..... The newer Speed Twin with the usd forks are better,I imagine,but don't look as good,or suit the bike,in my opinion.
The bit about bike vs ride. It makes a lot of sense actually, especially when we get older and are a bit tired from the speed but still love the experience… if you get what I mean :)
Not ridden the Speed Twin but I have ridden the R9T, and I loved it. Great review. I'm going to have to ride the Speed Twin to see if I concur now but I do believe you've given a pretty accurate judgment. The R9T may be more expensive but you are getting a few things more. That boxer though is such an easy going motor you can ride it just as lazily to enjoy the views as any bike I've ever ridden so not sure i could agree there. One thing you don't touch on though is these bike are not much good at anything other than offering a stylish Sunday ride out. Really just a second bike for enjoying the ride when you're in the mood.
Great review as per usual, thank you. Looking forward to your Enfield Interceptor vid (unless I’ve missed that?) for the other end of the retro spectrum 😜
& yes, of course you can borrow mine (if I can ride one of yours)…though it is not *totally* standard. 👍🏼
I quite like Beemers, especially the Boxer cup replicas, I remember them throbbing around in support races at Moto GP's back in the day, great review Chops. 👍👍👍🇬🇧
Great video - thanks for posting. One of my favorite bikes to ride - right up their with a tuono ;)
Great review👍I love the way you had to know what bike was ahead of you. I do the exact same thing on my rides😂
Me too!
nice one blue sky in the winter makes a change sir keep up the good work one of the best on youtube
One of the best….😉
I had exactly the same bike, but new back in the end of 2017. Akrapovic pipes were standard then, no cruise available, but went for the heated grips. Bought a Sargent seat which transformed the comfort (did not look much different from standard, but oh was it better !!). Only other changes were a dart flyscreen and a passenger grab rail from Unit Garage which blended in well. Loved the turn-in on the bike as it has a smaller front wheel than the rest of the range (17 inch) - the urban had a larger front wheel and the scrambler larger still). It has soooo much torque, listening to you ride it brings it all back 🙂. For the models back then, the standard R9T was actually the top of the range bike (bit weird, but that is BMW for you). It was a very special bike to own and ride. Only sold it as I was addicted to changing bikes every year or two for a while !! Thanks for the vid !
I love them, they're definitely a retro-futuristic bike but I love a bit of retro futurism.
Great review, have the Urban GS for three years. That one does not even have a rev counter! but a good all-round bike, might be in the market for something new shortly..
Great video. You should try the rarer R9T Racer. I love mine and is stunning to look at in the garage. The riding position is a little extreme but suits me. Worth a try if you can.
Couldn’t cope with riding position got R9t sports
Great vid, chap. This would be amazing with Shift-Cam motor.
Great video Chopesy 🏍🌋🏔
Excellent review.
Another fine review LCR. Pity you couldn't get the direct back to back with the Speed Twin. Re roll off engine breaking you do get used to it. For me the "old" oil air engine is better then the wc in this type of bike and it sounds better!! 😀
You know what? I’m going to make myself a cup of coffee… I’m really looking forward to watching this.
I much prefer the style of the R9T over the Speed Twin. It may be my next bike. Great review. Thanks
Great review & a very nice bike. Seems to have a unique quirky coolness about it & I totally get the appeal. A friend of mine is seriously considering one & is exactly the same size as you so I sent him over your review. Hopefully +1 subscriber! : )
New subscriber here. Thanks for the video. I had this dilemma recently. I like the R9T, but when I sat on it I found it caused a lot of discomfort on my inner thighs. I think it’s me, as it does not seem to be an issue that others mention. In the end, I went for a T120. Maybe a Speed Twin one day …
I am a Big Boxer fan. Loved your review. 👌👌
I owned a 2014 R9T for two years. Loved it, then I rode a 2022 Triumph Rocket 3gt. I have the Rocket now. Love it, but have fond memories of the BMW.
Great video 👍🏼👍🏼
Valuable comparison,thanks.
Great review. I test rode the R9T a couple of years ago and had real trouble with the seat becoming uncomfortable within a hour, but it did feel premium like you say 👍🏻
Can I ask what SatNav system you were running on your iPhone???
Know what you mean - last year I had the MT09 and I seemed to notice the countryside less on that bike - too busy focusing on the ride itself. I think part of the problem was that the engine was so effortlessly capable that I was always looking to create a bit more drama
Great video, thanks!
Great review 👏, love the look of this style of bike. But I can't help but think for every minute of riding you've got 10 minutes of cleaning. Beautiful bike for the sitting room.
But no chain cleaning.
Great video!
Have owned both..... Triumph for looks and image. BM for quality and reliability. Have a Z900rs on it's way,so should be interesting to compare the 3. As mentioned here,very difficult to ride the BM at sensible speeds as it performed so well..... which is why I sold it. Had the feeling that my licence wouldn't have lasted, too long. Fantastic, and fun motorcycle.
Great Review 👍
BeMoto didn’t want to insure my R9T even I’m already a customer the reason because I don’t have a garage!!! Where the bike is parked is much safer than a garage computer said NO 😤
Sorry not the place to complain but as it’s one of your sponsors just putting it there.
The bike is an absolute dream to ride 😎😍
Actually, I'm not a fan of beMoto, either. They were the only insurance company to decline insuring my 1 year old Ducati - as I only had 1 years NCD (having come back to bikes after a 40 year break)and I didn't have 2 years NCD they 'required' - yet I already had an older BMW insured with them! Both bikes securely garaged. They also sent a threatening letter requesting proof of the previous 1 year NCD for the BMW.....despite getting an email from somebody else at beMoto acknowledging receipt of it! Unbelievable, and I gave them hell as a result, receiving a grudging apology in return. Yeah, naw.......I think they spend too much sponsoring some channels - it was 44 teeth led me to originally insure with them - and their actual coverage and service is decidedly so so.
As for the R9T.....yeah, naw.....styling is meh, and I think Ducati finish and detail their bikes better, now. To give just one example, the much vaunted BMW S1000RR, killer bike to ride, but lacklustre, cheapo plastic and stickers everywhere. The older BMW's are better made and finished.
Choppsy you know all the dogging lanes😂 I would buy the triumph just for looks .
Great review as usual Chopsy, thanks. That engine breaking kick is very "interesting" isnt it! Now sorry about this but how does it compare to the Kawasaki Z900rs??? They might be closer than than the Speed Twin.
I love how you talk about the ride and the bike. I’d like to hear more on this… how would you define bikes that are about the ride? Do you have some examples of bikes that are really good at enjoying the ride?
Thanks for the honest review. Just a little confused on a couple of points. 1. I mentioned the no fuel gauge to the BMW Motorrad sales guy. His comment "Yes it has, the fuel light comes on then you have 60-80km to fill up? 2. Size wise I am 5'7" 30" in seam, fits me nicely? When I sat on the F750GS it felt like a much larger bike & top heavy. I've not sat on the Speed Twin, Seat height 809mm v R nineT seat height 805mm? 3. Wet weight nothing in it really Speed Twin 216kg v R nineT 221Kg + weight would be lower down on the BM I guess. Both bikes are special and we are so lucky to have manufactures producing such awesome machines.
I had one for three years and it was a real Jeckyle & Hyge bike. Nice and smooth and slow if you wanted it to be but pull that throttle back and it turns into a quick well handling bike that's plenty fast enough in the real world. When they first came out they were being compared to the triumphs but I personally don't think it's a relevant comparison, other than for a bit of fun.
love the sound!!!
Back to the bike: I rented an Urban GS and was absolutely giddy about the strong, exuberant engine coupled with the terrific handling and brilliant brakes! I decided then and there, I must have one... BUT WHICH VERSION? I must have a tachometer, so that's my minimum requirement. Love this bike---Kudos, BMW!
Regarding making it onto a track bike, there was a BMW Motorrad BoxerCup - BMW R nineT Racer series run across Europe back in 2020.
The 75% vs. 25% does make sense, also liked 'smooth but you can feel the lumps..' for RE GT
Picked up mine. Such a good bike.
Another great vid Chops, I quite like the R nineT Racer...???
Been after getting One of these for ages now, but they just feel so small under me, what bracket are you using for your Insta 360R by the way? :)
Would like the upgraded light and cruise control/heated grips (maybe even the traction control), but the sound is way off compared to my 2016 model. Its OG demeanor is what it attracts me the most, so I'll keep it for life.
I have a 2015 r9t, the seat is very hard, I wonder if they have improved the seat? Cruise control, modes, adjustable suspension up front, time to upgrade, nice review
Good review LCR...that engine is great 👍, lots of grunt and tons of character. I'm always pondering between the Rninety and the Triumph scrambler xe...I wish there was a way of fitting the retro clocks of the Speed Twin or the Rninety to the Triumph scrambler!!. I recognised Harting Hill on your ride...I'm always after the perfect blast up there!! By the way, Pier City Customs over Shoreham way do some great Rninety Customs. Cheers, Steve
Oh good tip on custom shop will check them out 👍
G'day LCR. A very good video and a very good machine but i still like the Speed Twin. It'll do everything
the RnineT can at a cheaper cost, its for me.
I bought the exact same bike new in 2018 , I replaced the front forks at 3200 kms due to knocking noises over bumps , it was perfect until I got to just over 7000 kms & got the same problem again so I had enough if it then & got rid of it after having it just for 6 months , I was disappointed because I liked the bike , it didn’t like the backroads here in Ireland , I bought a 2019 s1000r sport after that & never got a problem great all round bike but that’s gone now for a new busa bought last July & loving it
Nice one Chopsy 👍. I'm on my 3rd Beemer boxer now. My current 1250RS is bloody brilliant but does not quite have the character of the 1170 Hexhead, single or twin cam. I do miss the foibles/character* (*delete as appropriate) of the motor of my old R1200S.
I still have R1200S, it's a collectible!
Really enjoyed this, thanks LCR 👌 I fell in love with the 9T since it was released back in 2014, and I would still love to own one. Question, what navigation setup did you have there? Was it a mobile App or a compact SatNav?
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I am lusting after the gs version
Nice review. I had one in2016 still miss it. Still can’t believe it has no fuel gauge. It was a real pain trying to calculate mileage and look at the odometer all the time…
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One correction. The version you're testing isn't the base version. It's the premium "classic" model with higher spec suspension, ally tank and USD forks. The others have more budget suspension, steel tank and conventional forks. I've got the now discontinued Racer variant which I've had for 4 years and you wouldn't prize it away from me with a crowbar.
R9T not the base Chopsy, that’s the Pure, funny you found so sporty, Chaseon2Wheels really didn’t get on with it. I tried my mate’s and the non ABS rear brake kept bothering me, def a bike to ride off the front end as you say. Def a modern retro to go up against the Kwak and FTR1200 etc. Now FTR1200 2021 model on proper tyres?
Greetings from 2018 RnineT in Vancouver:)
Wooo so amazing motorcycle thank you for good sharing my friend
Took a 2020 for a spin last week. Always loved the look but wasnt as impressed with the ride as I hoped. First gear very short and clunky into 2nd. The rest was pretty smooth though. So few extra revs, took off in second and with all the torque was fine. Wish I knew how to turn the tc off though! Couldn't get the front to come up
Got mine about a year ago. It’s a keeper for sure. No maintenance shaft drive is ferah to havle. I probably will keep it till I die. It can be the Swiss Army knife of bikes with simple mods (the scrambler model). You can literally turn it into a bare bones gs for touring and have the best looking urban bike when you simply remove the touring mods. All it takes is 30 minutes to put on and remove the touring mods(wind screen, handlebar riser, peg adjustments) You may want to upgrade the seat as well. I use the unit garage gel seat which both looks better and is much more comfortable.
I had the original R90 in the day and also the Bonne in the 70's. I thought the R90 had the edge then and still think so now. mind you, I still own both BMW twins and British twins and enjoy them both for how they make me feel. I now own other bikes to go fast on though :)
Great vid
What type of phone holder is that? Great review 👌
Maybe it's because I daily a suzuki c50 but the new speed twin turned me into an absolute hooligan. Surprised to hear you say it's less rewarding to ride fast than this. I have got to get a ride on one of these.
More expensive than the Triumph but better. My favourite is the Urban G/S. Just a shame it costs around 20,000 GBP in Thailand. Made in Germany so subjected to big import duty, but not the 100 per cent it used to be.
Excellent review.
Must admit, I prefer the RnineT, to the Speed Twin...........but i'm slightly biased, as I own a R1200R.
From what i've found, any factory fitted "Akra" cans, are restricted to normal emissions and noise levels.
My advice, buy one with "standard" cans, fit an aftermarket can.
Usually it adds about £800 to £1000 to the purchase price for a fitted Akra, after market will cost similar, and you can remove the baffle on after market ones, not usually possible on factory fitted!
Great video, as always Chops, keep up the good work.
The R9t standard is top of the range. I love mine.
Very cool, nice job😎🇨🇦
Akrapovic, and spoked rims comes standard in Nine T, they are extras with other models: Pure, Urban, Scrambler.