My grandad use to have a piper. Use to let my take off and land at fenland are field I was only 14-15 years old loved that aircraft I’m now 43 so many years ago I got pictures of both his plains
Could you talk about the method you mentioned of removing the wing bolts. Drilling and freezing them? I don't remember reading that in the AD. I don't believe it is discussed in the piper manual.
John Azma from the Daytona Beach crash did 2 check rides on me back in Orlando. He also appeared on that stupid airplane repo show. Something that seems to be ignored is we are talking about aircraft from a flight school that were flown very hard by some very inexperienced hands. We had an issue with HSI's in a fleet of late model seminoles. No one could figure out why they were failing. Come to find out, we had a group of south african students that liked to ROLL OUR AIRPLANES! Seems like it's usually the innocent guy that gets the shaft. One thing about Riddle aircraft is they are usually not that old! That airplane was abused!
Yeah, interesting, we have an arrow coming in soon, which was bought by CSE aviation for training in the 70's but been in private hands for the last 20 years at least, so the factored service hours will probably come out under 5000, what we really need to know is whether, in it's training days it was flown by any cack handed Bob Hoover wannabes!
@@framavia2201 Regardless of hrs, due to its unknown history, I'd do the AD. I did all my commercial single training in an arrow. Our pieces of shit didnt like to start on hot days unless you jerked off the levers when cranking the engine. All ours had neat bumps on the wings skin right above the struts. Real shitboxes I I tell ya.
For your aircraft, according to the IPC, the bolt length could be dash 13 or 14, depending on serial number, If the IPC, specifies NAS6606, then the nut specified will be lower in profile for the short threaded 6606 bolt, it’s also vital to check carefully the washer part number under the head, some must have a chamfered outer edge so as not to foul on the radius of the extrusion. There is a bolt legend in the service manual which must be studied very carefully, hope this helps
@@framavia2201 Thanks, Apparently the 6606 bolt and the AN are interchangeable. I called a couple manufactures, and the NAS bolt was replacing the AN bolt. Earlier aircraft had the AN.
@@David-ty1xz Yeah - AN176 and NAS 6606 seem to be used interchangeably in this application, according to serial number, could be just what Piper had in the stores at the time, but I would still refer to the relevant IPC - they're both a close tolerance bolt - not to be confused with regular AN6 which is not, but AN176 is not as strong as NAS 6606. I have no idea wether the tensile strength makes any difference in this application.
My grandad use to have a piper. Use to let my take off and land at fenland are field I was only 14-15 years old loved that aircraft I’m now 43 so many years ago I got pictures of both his plains
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Could you talk about the method you mentioned of removing the wing bolts. Drilling and freezing them? I don't remember reading that in the AD. I don't believe it is discussed in the piper manual.
John Azma from the Daytona Beach crash did 2 check rides on me back in Orlando. He also appeared on that stupid airplane repo show. Something that seems to be ignored is we are talking about aircraft from a flight school that were flown very hard by some very inexperienced hands. We had an issue with HSI's in a fleet of late model seminoles. No one could figure out why they were failing. Come to find out, we had a group of south african students that liked to ROLL OUR AIRPLANES! Seems like it's usually the innocent guy that gets the shaft. One thing about Riddle aircraft is they are usually not that old! That airplane was abused!
Yeah, interesting, we have an arrow coming in soon, which was bought by CSE aviation for training in the 70's but been in private hands for the last 20 years at least, so the factored service hours will probably come out under 5000, what we really need to know is whether, in it's training days it was flown by any cack handed Bob Hoover wannabes!
@@framavia2201 Regardless of hrs, due to its unknown history, I'd do the AD. I did all my commercial single training in an arrow. Our pieces of shit didnt like to start on hot days unless you jerked off the levers when cranking the engine. All ours had neat bumps on the wings skin right above the struts. Real shitboxes I
I tell ya.
Wow clamping the spar cap in a vise like that surely isn't a good idea?
Well, it wouldn't be a good idea on a serviceable spar, but this one is already scrap due to exfoliation corrosion.
Hello! How can I contact you? I've got a PA28 and I'm looking for some help. Thanks
What part number wing bolt gets reinstalled for a PA32-260? Been reading about 2 different ones? Is it AN176-13A or NAS6606-13? What lock nut?
For your aircraft, according to the IPC, the bolt length could be dash 13 or 14, depending on serial number, If the IPC, specifies NAS6606, then the nut specified will be lower in profile for the short threaded 6606 bolt, it’s also vital to check carefully the washer part number under the head, some must have a chamfered outer edge so as not to foul on the radius of the extrusion. There is a bolt legend in the service manual which must be studied very carefully, hope this helps
@@framavia2201 Thanks, Apparently the 6606 bolt and the AN are interchangeable. I called a couple manufactures, and the NAS bolt was replacing the AN bolt. Earlier aircraft had the AN.
@@David-ty1xz Yeah - AN176 and NAS 6606 seem to be used interchangeably in this application, according to serial number, could be just what Piper had in the stores at the time, but I would still refer to the relevant IPC - they're both a close tolerance bolt - not to be confused with regular AN6 which is not, but AN176 is not as strong as NAS 6606. I have no idea wether the tensile strength makes any difference in this application.
total 3 wing failures causing 3 fatal accidents.
Cost?????????
never a great idea to put bolt holes through a spar cap