Am I breaking down?? YES!!!- Theory/Analysis || MILGRAM 2nd Trial
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 9. 07. 2024
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After finishing I realised there are actually some things I forgot to mention đ
Well..,, I was planning on doing another Theory/Analysis video for every prisoner again during the break of Trial 2 to Trial 3
So, feel free to comment on your theories or opinions in the commentsđ
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Timestamps:
Intro - 00:00
MV Analysis - 00:36
The Mascots & Amane Army - 00:37
Who Did Amane Kill? - 03:35
Amane's Family - 05:31
Lyrics - 07:48
Her Unwavering Faith - 09:15
T2 Voice Drama - 10:24
"The Trolley Problem" - 11:42
Unanswered Questions - 13:15
Me drifting away - 13:58
My Verdict - 14:45
Outro - 16:09
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Music in order:
My Dream is by BGM President
Drama by zukisuzuki BGM
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Tags: #MILGRAM #ăă«ă°ă©ă #DECO27 #TakuyaYamanaka #HarukaSakurai #YunoKashiki #FutaKajiyama #MuKusunoki #ShidouKirisaki #MahiruShiina #KazuiMukuhara #AmaneMomose #MikotoKayano #KotokoYuzuriha #Amane #ThePurgeMarch #Theory #Essay #Analysis #Reacting #Reaction MILGĐŻAM
Wait, are you telling me that Es lied about being an adult in Puerto Rico and Haiti?? I ACTUALLY BELIEVED THEM HAHA
I GOOGLED AND IT SAYS: "Haiti - 18 years old" & "Puerto Rico - 21 years old" ES YOU DAMN LIAR HAHAHA
Maybe it was actually the age of 15 some years ago (it would mean Milgram plays in the past..) or..
Es spread misinformation to bully their younger sister HAHAHA that's such a sibling moment
Pretty sure Milgram takes place in a different universe, and therefore when Es that they were an adult, it may have been true.
@@kindnapkin its possible es was going off of age of consent laws instead of full rights, maybe?
i think es just made it up to get amane to shut up.
he shouldve said china nglđ
I have a theory about the rainbows.
I noticed that the rainbow only seems to show up when a punishment is about to happen or is already happening. So I think it symbolizes the glorification of punishment in the cult.
Ooohhh, this is also an interesting interpretation of the rainbow!! Especially at the end because Amane also punishes her abuser "for the cult"
Personally it could also symbolise a twisted form of âhopeâ as most of the punishment so far has been water/rain based.
Once it shows up, it seems to affirm the belief in the cult and that what she did/is doing is wrong, like a sign from a god for her to stop and accept what comes next
Thought on the animals thing aswell (yknow how animals keep dying lol), and it could symbolise the death of innocence
Noahs ark...
I think Amane's messy house may also be a reflection of her mother's mental instability. No one who abuses and tortures their own children has sanity, and this lack of sanity can cause their general environment (such as their own home or room) to be a mess, as can happen with depression or other mental disorders.
Question 19âs translation was dropped on twitter. Amane was asked âIs there anything you wish your parents would have done?â And she answered, âMy mother should have kept her faith to the very end.â She totally killed her mom.
DEFINITELY!!!
I WAS SCREAMNING OMG
And Kazui is not beating the gay allegations
My theories were definitely close to something lmao
Hi I'm really late but your theory about Amane being an unwanted child and her mother not actually believing in the cult and her father being the only reason she is in the cult made me think of smtg
Her mother most likely pretended to be in the cult and Amane genuinely thought she believed in it (that's why she accepted all the punishments from her bc "it was for the cult") but what if shortly after getting punished for helping the cat she somehow found out that her mother didn't actually believe in the cult's beliefs and was only pretending to do so, so all the punishments were "dishonest" (or rather didn't have any real meaning) so she killed her for being a liar and betraying the cult, so she properly punished her
And also, since I also believe her murder was out of revenge, she might saw her mom's betrayal as an opportunity to finally take revenge and lie to everyone (and maybe herself) that it was nothing but a "punishment"
âïžđ€ erm, actually, I'm according to the legal law of Haiti and Puerto Rico, a legal adult, and you legally not đ€âïž
He definitely looked this up before entering Amaneâs room.
THAT WAS SO HILARIOUS AND CHILDISH IT STILL CRACKS ME UP---
That VD was so goofy đ€
@@Eskun8998 IKRRR
Goofy es
12:12 Mahiru mentioned in her interrogation questions that she would really like to play with/take care of Amane once sheâs able to roam around freely. That should at least keep Amaneâs unstable mind at bay with Mahiruâs support and all.
True! Amane also mentioned that she has a strong relationship with Yuno and Mahiru. I hope if she gets forgiven, then Mahiru will take care of her and maybe Amane is not going to hurt Shidou anymore after she realises that Mahiru will also get hurt đ„ș Big Sis Mappi ftw
She probably resent her for "running away from the pain God impose her"
@@iciarsoto8860 She's in a flipping wheelchair! How much more pain would she need to be in for Amane to be satisfied!?
@@iciarsoto8860 1 month late but amane says if she could choose one prisoner to be part of her family, it would be mahiru in her interrogation
Thatâs why we need innocent Kazui guys
This is literally what ive been saying!! People are like "If we vote Amane inno she'll kill Shidou" HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN KAZUI EXISTS?? He quite literally protects the guys he needs to be innocent
@@jxmlentinebut itâs been shown he canât protect everyone (mahiru) yes heâll def help but itâs basically a one man show against haruka killing himself(maybe hurt others? Mu might start ignoring him after he has no use so heâll seek it from others), mu(idk but I donât think itâs Gud), kotoko(probably guilty t2), mikoto(switching) and amane.
real!!!
@@lusees616 haruka will def attempt,
yuno will be a lil bit bonkers but nothing dangerous and I donât think people will try to hurt her cause she did nothing wrong, sheâs just got bad blood with Muu and even then Muu is guilty so sheâs restricted and probably wonât hurt Yuno.
fuuta will be bonkers but pos and probably still not dangerous since heâs still wounded (HOWEVER, he would be a prime victim for anyone looking to lash out on any weak target.) I think he might help Haruka with stopping his suicide attempts.
Muu will be absolutely furious but since sheâs restricted sheâs not going to be able to do much safe for verbal abuse and manipulative behavior with Haruka
Shidou will take on his role as a doctor as intended. He has one person against him and itâs amane (also possibly Kotoko cause if she finds out about that whole « extract the fang thing » she wonât be too happy, but even then sheâs restricted)
Mahiru is inno but that doesnât change much for her since sheâs still crippled. She even forgave Kotoko so there is an opportunity for them to get along again and I doubt many people would be willing to hurt a crippled sunshine.
Kazuiâs fate is unknown now but if he is guilty then that is one less weak person (be it Haruka, Fuuta or Mahiru, etc.) for him to protect. He doesnât have any quarrels with anyone so he should be fine.
Amane is leaning on Inno rn. If she is inno then she will most likely make a move on Shidou. If she is Guilty again then god damn uh why is the 12 year old the only person to have received double guilty? I canât imagine what someone will have done to them with double restriction.
We donât know how stable Mikoto is rn cause his trial hasnât started but I highly doubt he would just attack anyone for the sake of it. He needs to have a trigger for that and I think the only person who would use that against him is Kotoko. In any other case itâs most likely accidental, so I donât think he needs guilty restrictions to prevent himself from hurting anyone. Itâs gonna be okkkk
As for Kotoko I have no idea if she is just going to break down crying cause « she has a soft side! », if she is going to tell Es « haha idc » or if she is going to commit suicide cause she just hurts guilty people and sheâs guilty. Either way if sheâs inno again I think we can say goodbye to Haruka and Muu. + we donât know how powerful Kazui will be with restraints, cause he is undoubtedly strong but we donât know the extent of the guilty restriction nerf. If he gets nerfed a lot, then Haruka and Muu are probably not getting help and that leaves Shidou in danger from Amane and that also leaves Mahiru in danger because we donât know if she still needs Shidouâs assistance and if she does then she wonât be able to resist getting just about anyoneâs help even if they donât mean well.
Basically, if Kazui is guilty, amane is inno, mikoto is inno and kotoko is guilty:
-Shidou is the most at risk
-Mahiru and Fuuta are not safe from any harm
-Haruka will attempt suicide.
-Muu is at risk but less than if Kotoko was inno.
We have new card in hand, fuuta inno. I hope he can do something about it.
In my efforts to learn Japanese and my love of this song, I did some studying and discovered an important detail lost on most of the English speaking audience, my search bringing me through translation apps, the wiki, and finallyâŠ. To a karate article, of all things.
See, listening to it, I was paying attention to the words in Japanese as part of my efforts to learn new words- and one stood out to me due to its repetition in two sections⊠âhitotsu (äžă€)â. Translated as âTâis ordainedâ, I wanted to learn the exact definition and usage of this word. At first, I couldnât find it as anything but âone itemâ when counting things, and that seemed⊠lacking context for this song, at best.
So, I dug deeper, weeding out drink orders and other object counting until I found something different⊠the aforementioned karate article. This is where I found my answer.
Hitotsu is used repetitively in the same way on something called âdojo-kunâ. This seems to be a dojoâs rules and each one starts with hitotsu, like that lyrical section of this song.
The boring answer is that âhitotsuâ in this context is written that way in a way that says each rule is the first and most important rule- all the rules are the number one rule.
But now, applying that to the context of the song⊠these are the most important rules. The rules to what are obvious- but that word âhitotsuâ places such importance on them that they shouldnât be looked over as just religious drivel- these are undoubtedly the most important rules of the cult. These are the vows the rest of the song is talking about.
Please- spread this around among the English speaking fans because it strikes me as important for understanding Amane- her past, her way of thinking, her future decisions- those will all undoubtedly center around these vows in the song.
After writing this, I went back to see if the vows correlate to the flag displaying a character when it is said, and it definitely does. While the flag depicting Yuuri is displayed, the line is âTâis ordained, thou shall deliver unto those thou believest inâ. For the record, the one relating to Riyone is âTâis ordained, thou shall follow thine destiny.â For Gozake, âTâis ordained, thou shall discard vulgarity.â And finally, Gachata is âTâis ordained, thou shall stay thine course, then perish.â So do with this what you will, readers.
I'm so glad you're actually considering that Amane might actually cause trouble for Shidou or other prisoners because most people I've seen talk about this say "she's just a child" or that if Shidou can't defend himself from a 12yo then that's his problem. Like??? Amane literally killed her own mother and tried to kill Es with scissors, she's not just some 12 year old. Usually people say to just forgive her without going into detail but I'm more convinced when someone tells me why they think amane should be voted guilty/innocent
And she still carries the scissors with her! (Es, why can't you just take that thing away, ugh.) Amane will definitely not kill Shidou, with how other prisoners will interfere, but she can just injure his hand(s) and BAM, done. Shidou can't provide medical help anymore, that's enough for him to not break 'Rule 1' of the cult.
â@@dARKaZUREexactly
â@@dARKaZUREwe should tie the vote
This is why we at least need Kazui to be innocent so that he could potentially stop Amane from hurting Shidou, hopefully people keep Kazui inno
Thank you! Someone said it! Amane is a victim of abuse, and I agree with that, but I'm honestly tired of the fans forgiving her aren't seeing the whole picture that she didn't kill to protect herself, but she believes it's alright to kill for the cult. I know the votes for not forgiving her screwed everyone over in the first trial, but we have a better context on her crime now.
She's a victim...but a dangerous victim.
I believe Gachata's form of punishment is supposed to represent sleep deprivation, since their head is shaped like the old timey alarm clocks, which can be heard in the beginning of purge march as well.
I do want to point out, every time we see the mother's hand (the drowning scene holding the shower head, the tazer scene holding the tazer, and the death cene lying on the floor), it is the mother's LEFT hand we are seeing. There is no ring on her finger. So I suspected her dad ran away. but I wasn't aware of the notice on the door- so now I do agree that she was an unwanted child from a one night stand and he walked out but sends support or something like that.
Oh, you are right!! I didn't notice the missing ring at all. You have a good eye - and it really supports the unwanted child. Her father actually left them..
I really like the unwanted child theory! It really does tie up a lot of loose ends, as well as match up her distorted trial 2 line where she talks about her sheâs waiting for her father to come back. However, if this theory was true, it would mean that someone else in the cult hurt the cat to test Amane since the mother only cares about the cult for financial gain. Maybe the other male adult in the MV was testing her since he somehow showed up to see what Amane was doing there. The mother couldâve killed the cat because she didnât want Amane to bring in a pet to take care of since they donât have a lot of money.
Also, I think itâs more likely that instead of a defense mechanism kicking in, Amane killed her mother since she âinterferes with the cats destinyâ therefore breaking a cult rule, which is why Amane punished her mother with all the different torture methods. It also adds up to why sheâs still marching with the cult instead of against the cult, because it wouldnât make sense for Amane to view herself as apart of the cult if she spontaneously killed her mother, who hadnât broke any rules.
Also also nice catch figuring out Amaneâs deal with the water guy! I never thought about all the clues and how he was pretty important in the story!
But anyways thanks for another banger video love ur theories!!!!!
edit: also wanted to add that voting Amane innocent might change something for her, since being voted innocent by the person she hates so much would be quite shocking. At the same time, she could also view it as us surrendering to her ideals, which would be really bad. I donât see a happy ending for Amane in MILGRAM đ
to add on to u, she judged her mom for interfering with the cats destiny and killed her, we're doing the same we're judging her for interfering for her mother's destiny... but strangely she does not value our verdict? She doesn't view us as judging her for interfering with fate (probs cuz of es strongly saying they don't agree with her cult tho)
I think she might have if she was forgiven T1 and she thinks we thought the cult's rules were correct thus also judged her via the cult's rule (but that's TOO optimistic for milgram where every verdict seems to only make the characters spiral-)
I think she also rationalized the murder AS judgement in the name of the cult when she was in a clearly emotional state from all the abuse with the trigger of the cat, deep down she fought back but in her mind she sees it as all in the name of the cult.
@@lusees616I like to think thatâs how we can save Amane; by exposing that she made the choice to fight back, that it wasnât the cults ideals that made her
You so right!! Killing the animal is as bad as helping it because at the end you would change its destiny/fate
Should have noticed that
And thanks for enjoying my theoriesđ„șđ«¶
@@lusees616 No, that's different. For example, let's say that you are not allowed to kill someone. If A kills B, then C judges A to be guilty of the vow, and punishes A by killing. It's different. C is not guilty nor is C breaking the vow. After all, A kills B willingly while C kills A unwillingly in order to keep justice or moral code or vow up.
At 4:44, that should be Amane herself, not her mother. Those flashback scenes with silhouettes in Undercover are supposed to show the prisoners themselves (You can see Haruka sitting on his bed, Kotoko roaming in an alley, etc.) so that was indeed Amane, being punished by 'Gozake.'
Thatâs what I thought too.
Yes
GUYS I THINK GOZAKE IS A DRUNKARD
OH
That was a mistake from my side đ„Č You are completely right ^^ I think I got confused,, Sorry again haha
@@kindnapkin Don't worry! I also got confused back then thinking it was Amane's victim, hahaha. It took me a long while to WAIT A MINUTE and realised it wasn't.
Something to help the theory of Amane's family only consisting of a(n absent) father, stay-at-home mother, and an onlychild; Unlike the girl who goes to school with her father, Amane goes to school and returns home alone.
i dont think the "i'll give back the judgement that you gave me" lines are about us and Es, i think her mother must have broken rules of the cult so she reversed all of her mothers punishments back on her
I have 2 ideas, I found in the first trial and second
6:33 It's basically pray for the victims for recovering health... without medical aid.
Unless they still have some common sense: Pray for the victims THEN medical aid.
But if the cult does have common sense: Pray for the victims while doing medical aid.
In both times she helped animals with medical aid, but was punished severely by both Shock Water Physically and Verbally.
I feel like the girl with the balloon must be a propaganda thing to spread the symbol into similarity, while the man must be the Father
Reasoning: How does he know where Amane's mother is? Why did he care so much was he a leader or a close friend?
If he was a total stranger that means this entire city is *sweared* up by the cult, not only that, but it's big enough to bribe the police into not having them be closed down and be granted immunity.
Amane is such a sad case, as i think voting her innocent first trial would've had extremely bad consequences. that's why I'm still voting her guilty, she still believes that punishing people because of the cult is what's right due to how they're raised. Some believe that she killed her mother because she got tired of the abuse because of the lyrics at the end, but that's not entirely true. I do think she's innocent, but she needs to break out of her beliefs in the cult before she can finally be voted innocent.
I can explain my reasonings later, since i'm a little busy rn
People voted her guilty on the 1st trial for this same reason but it didn't work at all. She didn't believe less in her cult and she ignored the voices she heard (us) so I don't see why it would change if we vote her guilty again. I'm not saying we can't vote her guilty but that probably won't change her beliefs
@@marino6070 "I'm not saying we can't vote her guilty but that probably won't change her beliefs"
So? Are we obligated to make sure she converts to good citizen? It's like we punish people to jail if they steal. It's up to them to convert to a good citizen.
i think if we voted her innocent the first time things wouldn't have gotten so fucked up with her
â@@cheyannegiles9772I disagree. I think her being found unforgivable isn't the problem. She woulda just attacked Shidou. They would have to deal with Kotoko attacking ppl and Amane attacking Shidou.
I think her guilty is fine. The problem is that Mahiru, the only character I think that coulda calmed her down, was also voted unforgivable.
â@@thiefpotato2759 well, she wasn't as aggressive in the first trial so she might not have attacked shidou, she only became aggressive after being voted guilty
I have a hunch that the girl with the pink balloon is a sign that not only were the adults in the cult judging and pointing fingers at Amane for not following their rules but that she was also being bullied by the girls at her school for it. The pink balloon that the girl has has a symbol that belongs to the cult as it can be seen on the flags of the Amane march and apparently it is a combination of all the flags that represent the values of the cult. This could symbolize how all the children around Amane also had a lot of devotion to the cult and therefore, they agreed and even encouraged Amane's punishments just like the adults. The poor girl must have seriously been through hell.
tbh i think the reason why she's so passive aggresive with shidou is simply because it reminds her of her past self and how she was punished while he wasn't ,so it's possible she's just wants fairness or at least someone to care for her and to be honest even if shidou ends up being injured in the hands he can ask the other prisioners to do his job by commanding them there's also the fact that in mahiru birthday she and amane talk and the only thing she did to mahiru was talk to her in a agressive way probably because mahiru reminds her of the cat ,so the only ones Amane would want to injure ES because they are a little fucker with everyone and shidou because of how she views him and depending on how we vote kotoko we might see if anyone gets injured by a unstable amane or kotoko
I just noticed that Riyoneâs ears are bandaids.
The thing is too, she sees her murder as punishment not self defense
omg i just noticed that the confetti at the beginning isnât colored but at the end it has the colors of the mascots, i think this is further proof that amaneâs murder was because the mother broke a cult law (i.e the cat not following its destiny)
I DIDNT NOTICE THIS OMGGđđ
@@kindnapkinsl ay
Since Amane is my favorite character i was doing research and here are some of my stuff i wanted to add
We can see all of the punishments in the T2 MV. In the scene where she changes from umbrella to the baton as kidnapkin said we can see 1: a mark on her head like she was hit and 2: her eyes look like she wasnât sleeping, and who is the robot? An alarm clock, the water punishment and electric punishments are obvious
But i would like to stop at water punishment.
When the water starts raining we can see her being scared, it might have been the Chinese water torture, this torture is when a person canât move and a drop of water falls on their forehead with the same time intervals causing anxiety and other stuff. In the scene in the real world after the water punishment we can see something that looks like bleach, she might have used it to get rid off the body. The 2 people with the balloon might not even exist and the balloon was only to show that it was someone from the cult who said about the cat. In the end of T1 MV her eyes look tired and lifeless, she probably was forced to watch it and didnât liked the cartoon herself. Also in the same MV after the robot hits her he immediately helps her stand up. That might mean that right after the punishment everything is back to normal and her parents didnât cared about it and thought it was normal to tase her, almost drown her, beat her and not let her sleep. Also i saw that some clouds are not spheres but there is a heart, triangle, a star and some strange looking clouds in the start of the MV. And the last thing is that iâm very sad that iâm Russian and canât see the voting stats and i just have to pray for my favorite character :(
I am voting her innocent daily đ
I've seen a Twitter thread that talks about how the symbol on amane's flag and the other girl's balloon looks like a hurricane. With the cloud symbolism that the cult logo has and the weather themes in the mv, i wouldn't be surprised if it was a hurricane.
In the drowning scene, I don't think that Amane is trying to reach back for forgiveness. It's a futile act to survive or cope in the punishment. It's kind of like when you cry when hit with something.
I personally think that the only one that can protect others is Kazui, the same way the only one who can heal is Shidou, it is something similar to an special role and it would be to "easy to vote" if everyone could protect like Kazui does.
If this is true Amane's veredict and Kazui's are quite linked.
please vote amane innocent, she definitely didn't deserve to go through all that (especially at such a young age which probably would've traumatized her for life)
not related but the way the ai voice went "no he is weak to children" takes me out every single time for no reason
theory! if amane knew the cult was good, and the mvs shows the prisoners thoughts, amane wouldn't have the hypnotized eyes, she clearly seems to be playing along with the cult's ideals but i don't think she actually believes them, + kazui is getting voted inno so amane attacking shidou or the other prisoners wouldn't be a problem,
I think the continuous rainbows in the MVs could show after the rain (which could either be amaneâs suffering and trauma or the punishment of gozake and the shower of her mother after she got abused which looks like rain) and how rainbow looks all happy is all because of her defense or coping mechanism in the situation sheâs in
Noah's Ark... It represents her belief that one day her parents will stop punishing her in that way... (Except that they punish her with fire then)
Amane is litterally such an amazing character
To try and answer some of the unanswered questions:
Q1: There's no real way of telling imo. Personally, I think the mom is on the fence. She was faithful to it as she was to her husband, but with him gone all the time (and if, big if, we gander that he really is cheating on her and using the business meetings as an excuse that she probably knows about) she struggles with her faith. If the dad is cheating, it would make sense the Amane's mom would start to maybe enjoy punishing Amane as some sort of relief of burden, taking her stress out on Amane. This would also explain why Amane killed her mom, as eventually the mom would slip up since she doesn't really believe in the cult. On the flip side, her mom could be just as devoted to the cult and simply made a mistake (but, like, what kind of mistake did she make assuming she's been in the cult for at least 12 years? She had to of joined before Amane's birth and with the dad being a high member, they must've joined early on...). Because of the dramatic way Amane's mistakes have been dealt with, seeing her mom make a mistake (and probably brushing the mistake off since she's an adult) Amane snapped and punished her mother, taking out all of her pent up feelings about what her mother did to her. Also something to note, in cults it's often discouraged for parents to bond with their children as it may affect the child's bond with the leader, so there's that.
Q2: The rainbow is a very important symbol in my religion, Christianity, representing the promise of not flooding the world (you'd have to do some basic research to understand the story behind that). It also can stand as a symbol for the "calm after a storm", hope, and inclusivity. Using this information, I infer the reoccurring theme of rainbows has two meanings. The first is as a way to advertise to people that the cult is a welcoming and safe space, much like the private school and television show. The second is as a personal reminder to Amane- and probably other cult members- that even when you mess up you'll be better after punishment (so basically a symbol of hope). The only time the rainbow appears is specifically after Amane is punished (or technically during her punishment), when she gets caught by a cult member, and after she's perfected her beliefs, taking a step back into reality. The last two instances would represent her faith in the cult and hope that she's better now.
Q3: I noticed the design on the balloon is unfamiliar, but it does have red, blue, green, and orange which represents the cult's television show colors. It might just confirm that the two are members of the cult, or it might also be another symbol. Balloons are often associated with freedom, so I'd infer that it's more advertisement from the cult telling children that the cult will free them. The flower could be a symbol for love, or hope, but idk. I have a feeling the third trial will show us more on that.
Q4: Fr man ;-;
Q5: I don't think they've been in another cult. I think what's more likely is that the cult is slowly introducing their beliefs onto children through the TV show, but the children still have their individuality and freedom (balloon?). As the child grows older, they become firmer in their teachings and take away that child's individuality. I think this would be affective as it allows the child to explore their curiosities when their young, then take that away so they don't feel like they are missing out or something later in life. (Idk about this one though, it's a pretty far leap).
Q5: Yeah, I think so.
Q6:
Q7: While it holds a good amount of possibility, I don't think there's anything that could confirm this. I certainly think it's a good idea though.
Q8: I'm actually surprised I never considered this! It would also make sense as one of the rule of the cult is "thou shalt discard vulgarity." Maybe the mom let it slip that Amane was a mistake and that's what Amane "punished" her for.
In the VD we learn that Amane's cult follows 4 great principles and in the opening of the second trial we get to know what those are:
"'Tis Ordained, thou shall follow thine destiny" (Pink Mascot / Electrocution punishment)
"'Tis Ordained, thou shall discard vulgarity" (Blue Mascot / Drowning punishment)
"âTis ordained, thou shall deliver unto those thou believest in" (Yellow Mascot / Physical punishment)
"âTis ordained, thou shall stay thine course, then perish" (Green Mascot / Verbal Punishment)
This explains why she was electrocuted for saving the cat as administering medical aid counts as intervening with "destiny". I don't know what Amane did to warrant drowning as the official translation for the principle seems kind of out of place to something Amane would do as she seems like a very well-mannered kid in the first VD. But through looking at the kanji and with the help of bing I found this: "The phrase âäșșăŻćăăăæšăŠăâ is a Japanese expression that means âPeople, cast away your baseness. Baseness means a lack of moral principles or values. It refers to ethical inferiority or dishonorable behaviors and attitudes, often associated with greed, selfishness, cowardice, or dishonesty. In the context of the phrase âPeople, cast away your basenessâ, it implies that people should abandon their low or unworthy qualities and aspire to a higher or nobler standard of living." I thought it was interesting and makes you wonder what kind of kid Amane was in the earlier stages of indoctrination though I still find it out of character to what we saw with her and the cat.
I've noticed to things about how the prisoners' clothes changed in-between trials. (I swear this relates to Amane!)
"Spectrum theory" (or as I call it):
The innocents were allowed new clothes. (All innocent prisoners got new outfits while the guilty ones didn't.) Kotoko got a bat because she was very high on the guilty to innocent spectrum.She had better privileges then other innocents hence why she got better stuff.
The guity prisoners got more belts restricting them as punishement for being very low on the spectrum.
Now, Amane is getting a high innocent percentage. If her percentage stays this high she might be allowed to have a weapon/a tool to mess up Shidou's work. If this theory is correct, we might have to lower Amane's innocent percentage a bit or she might become dangerous.
Tldr: I think of the votes as a spectrum rather than a "one or the other" kind of vote.
I think Amane will get Guilty results again, her innocent percentage get decrease every time :(
Now that you mentioned it, your theory might be completely right!! đźđź
Everyone forgiven in T1 got a 50-60% forgiven percentage. I guess between 50-60%, you are able to style your outfit, add accessories, and some little things more.
Kotoko was the only one above 60%, meaning she was allowed to receive a big item of her choice (in this case, it was her weapon/baton).
Now that everyone who is forgiven in T2 has a percentage above 70% (except for Mahiru), I wonder what kind of rights they receive? Will they also be allowed to have an item/weapon of their choice? What would they pick? Especially the ones who were not forgiven before.
I can imagine Fuuta picking an item to defend himself out of fear or an item that would comfort him (for example, in his Interrogation, he mentioned he misses his mother the most even though his parents are divorced and he hasn't seen her for a long time *sobs. So I guess what he needs currently the most is something that would comfort him). Mappi would also pick an item that would comfort her or something that would help the others instead herself since she is so selfless...
So i hv some theories from when the MV dropped and disscussed with a friend and some may be repeated here but i will try and instert my theories
- Amane in cult, seen with bow in beginning
- carries 4 flags of mascots, represents the "subjects" or "value" in cult
- the person who abused Amane could be multiple or exact same
- the ways of abused are seen in Magic of Watering down/ being showered down
- Tazered after saving cat
- Cat from Magic vanished after bandaged by Amane (died from cult leader)
- End credits of Magic confirm cat died in Purge March
- Girl with ballon seen with the 5th flag symbol
- Symbol/Logo represented leader status
- the kids are being trained to become future leaders
- the white uniform is associated with Amane's pure intentions
- Amane holds flag with 5th logo after having cat dying
- Magic shows Amane transforming
- Amane had a bow becoming a badge
- Amane proclaimed oneself as a leader, not officially given a "balloon"
- Kills abuser, no blood visible on uniform
- Not tainted(?) Still pure
- Umbrella is the murder weapon
man, thanks for this explainer. I was totally disoriented watching that (beautiful) video, and still had a hard time piecing one darn thing together even after looking up the backstory. you put everything together in a way that makes plain sense!
Glad it helped!! :DDđ«¶
5:46 is not dried up tears, its one of the aftermath injuries she got from being electrocuted since a scene before that in the mv: a tazer was shown in it & the amane and shidou debate has always been SO ANNOYINGGG why do you people expect the worst out of the situation??? shidou has people that can protect him voting her guilty will have the same result as t1 and maybe even worse i gen dont get why people are voting her guilty,, shes just a abused kid???
the fact that shit like this happens irl is quite sad and unsettlingly ,tbh i couldn't vote her guilty even tho i don't agree with anything she stands for ,at the end of the day she's just a child and with the right guidance she can be fixed ... to some degree , tho given the current ratio ain't noway she's beating the guilty allegations BTW I LOVE YOUR VIDS PLZ DONT STOP â„ â„
It's actually really sad,, and hard to actually give a judgement because we wouldn't be any different than the cult or her mother :/ She shouldn't go through Milgram,, I feel so conflicted haha
And thanks for enjoying my vids đ„șđ„ș I will continue doing so!!đ«¶đ«¶
I love the thumbnail đ„°â€â€
Now time to watch this traumatized child.
Tysm!!đ„șđ«¶
5:48 To me those looked more like bruise from physical abuse, and 8:43 feels like a quirk exclusive to the English translation, since the japanse lyrics only mentions "To return what has been taken"
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I and my brother watched the voice drama together and we both agree thatâs how our average conversations wentđ
Now for my opinions and thoughts. For the theory, I do have some other perspectives that I want to talk about:
-MV analysis:
+ The leader Amane is likely a image of the adults in her life, considering she tries to act like an adult, she would kind of lived up to them (probably not her mother though), hence why the leader could call the rains out to punish her
+ The one who spray water could be Amaneâs father for 2 reasons:
1) The fingers holding the things?? is much larger than her motherâs fingers and look like itâs from a men
2) Though the mascots wouldnât be a one person, Gozake look like a monk and teaches Amanes how to âsingâ (probably the cultâs believes). So Gozake is an image of the people who make speech for the cult, and Amaneâs father is one of them
-Lyrics:
+ âThe âit canât be helpedâ, from the scum who canât be helped - That makes them doubtlessly,âŠ.. any doubt, GUILTYâ (iâm sorry i donât want to write all of that in here) is a message to us who vote her guilty who thought we could change her.
+âIf you become a bad girlâ ->=not pleasing your parents - who decides whether you are a good or a bad child.
âmonsters will appearâ ->=bad things will happen to you
=> Amane's parents are quite harsh, ready to punish their daughter for the smallest things they see in front of them. They want Amane to be a perfect role model for both of them
"Here's the magic to stop it from happening"
What Amane does is help the cat's wounds heal faster, helping it hide its imperfections and "damage".
=> For Amane, only when her parents consider her naughty will she be punished, so as long as she hides the conditions her parents call her naughty, she will be safe-> this is Amane's way of resisting with my father's unreasonable demands and expectations (and possibly the cult)
For the trolly problem, I think itâs an interesting way to change the verdict from the team member but itâs fine to forgive her, I donât really think she would try to kill the injured people by sabotaging the supply so most people would be alive by trial 3
For the questions, here is what I could think of:
-Q2: Itâs the influence of the cult on those in that one scene (The punisher, her dad?; the businessman and his daughter; Amane after that cat was gone)
-Q3: It would more likely be an advertisement for the cult since the balloon is red, the color that is prove to be more appealing to the human eye
-Q5: It could that the cult have changed their logo for a few times by now?
-Q8: Very likely, in minigram, Amane did mention that her mother had her when she was at Mahiruâs age, which is 22. Usually this is the last university year or the first year after she got out of school, which is not really the time to have kids, but rather to work and enjoy life mostly, even if she had the financial background to do so.
Thatâs it. Sorry in advance if there are any mistakes in informations or grammar that I didnât fixed.
Hope to see more theories!
Wait, WHAT MAPPI IS 22 - I mean yeah that's around the age when you are in university but I kinda expected smth above the age of 19 but more like barely 20 haha
And yeah, now that you mention it my theory in Q8 would actually fit if that's the case.. and thanks for answering my questions! Your theories and opinions rlly are helpful ^^
everyone, please vote amane innocent for the second trial. so what if something happens to shidou? let it happen đźâđš
AMANE INNO!!!
YIPPIE NAPKIN AMANE THEORY
i cant wait for the interrogation istg im so thirsty for any new info
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same!! But I heard rumours that it will take longer than usual because Mikoto's 2nd Trial MV start at the end of October so now they are taking their time with collecting questions and all that đ„Č STILL IM HYPED UP
So, in the story of Noah rainbow was supposed to be a symbol of God never flooding the Earth again. Could in that vein it be a symbol of her promising not to mess up against the cult again?
OKAY LISTEN UP, I realized something on the question 7 you asked "Is Amane's Dad cheating on her mom?" Amane mentioned before in Minigram that her mother gave birth to Amane at a young age like around Mahiru's age. This might have something to do why Amane's father has always been absent, it's probably because he made that mistake which might be breaking a rule of the cult or something and he's trying to make himself a better person OR casually trying to repent and clean himself by going somewhere and do cult shit and left Amane's mother. Amane's mother might have been aware of that and now she's gone mad crazy and is now using her anger or "cult beliefs" on Amane in an obviously wrong way which also signifies that she's an "unwanted child" like you said.That's just a possibility I can be wrong with this one I'm not good at theories and instead I'm making an oc's backstory now. Someone please notice this
OH THATS A GOOD ONE
THATS A GOOD THEORY!! This actually explains a lot and completely fits to the "unwanted child" theory!! Love itđ„ș
That's ffing terrible
Praying Es and Amane bond...
Some people want to use Kazui's ability to protect with Shidou and vote Amane innocent but I am personally afraid of not having him available if something unexpected happens with the next two prisioners given that those are problematic.
But all of this only matter if he is voted innocent.
Great video as always! I think I can somewhat answer some of your questions:
Q2: What is the meaning of the rainbow?
Rainbows form when there is both sun and rain. In the real world there is only rain while in Amane's mind there is only sun, but in both worlds there's a rainbow. I think this shows the connection between the two worlds.
Q3: Why is the girl holding a balloon?
The logo on the girl's balloon is the same as the logo on Amane's flags after she is completely brainwashed, so my guess is that it means that she is considered a "good girl" by the cult. As a good girl it would make sense for her to snitch on Amane.
The rest of the questions are really good theories about Amane's mother and her relationship with her husband but I don't think we have enough information on the subject.
I have a question on my own, did Amane's mother betray the cult and the cult forced Amane to kill her, or did Amane decide to kill her by herself?
Amane says that her murder was an obligation for the cult, but the cult should need some serious reasons to want the wife of an important member dead. It also makes sense if Amane hated her mother so much that she decided that her mother betrayed the cult and killed her for the cult because it would be easier to deal with it if she felt like she was forced to.
Thanks for answering the questions!! ^^ I like your interpretation of Q3 a lot!
I think Amane betrayed the cult because, you're right, something must have gone wrong if the cult wants the wife of an important member dead.
Amane called this natural obligation of the cult because she "followed the rules" of the cult since her mother also broke a rule igđ€
So the rules of the cult ""forced"" her in her mind to kill her own mother
Amazing theory! Especially the part about Amane being an unwanted child is really interesting.
Thanks a lot!! ^^
She is ignoring the voices now but voices of rejection are easier to ignore for a cult member trained to expect rejection from the outside world. Would she be able to ignore the voices from an innocent verdict? Who knows? What concerns me more is what KIND of voices she would be hearing in either cases. The reasons with which we vote are what affects her, not the vote itself.
Personally I'm going for forgiveness because I don't believe punishment should be considered a teaching tool, and think it is horrific to apply to a victim of cult abuse who already sees her abuse previously as punishment. and wrt the trolley problem it's like... restraining Amane doesn't guarantee she can't hurt anyone either if we're seeing her as resourceful and ruthless enough to cause that kind of damage. if she is capable she would be able to do so even if restrained, and especially as judgment would further provoke and reaffirm her fury. And also I don't want to sacrifice a traumatized child for a trolley problem that was created by the audience's own bad decisions in the first place.
Random thought: Maybe the multiple amanes are proof that she's a system?
we already have mikoto, why would milgram add another system?
alr bestie i just got this in my recommended
idk what milgram is but
two hours later now I do LOL
thanks for introducing me to my new obsession
also, where would you recommend people start? i need to show this to all my friends
I personally think that the her trying to stab Es shows how she is ready to kill Shidou or anyone who doesn't act according to her religion if given then chance. I think people don't think about it enough, she wasn't just trying to hurt him, she was literaly trying to kill Es for saying she was wrong.
If we forgive it will give her the message that we finally support her ideals and agree in her being the incarnation of her cults believes.
I am pretty sure that if given the freedom to do so she will kill Shidou unless Kazui interfere.
I personally don't forgive her because even if I pity her a lot, she wouldn't doubt to kill again and is extremely dangerous.
That's true. I WANT to forgive her but it would literally mean we affirm her ideals and what she *currently* stands for.. which I don't but I don't want her to be in any more stress than she already is. And even if she is restrained she's still a danger to everyone - This is a lose-lose situation đ„Č
I think it is sure that Shidou will have to interfere to save someone. Haruka will try to kill himself and either he achieves it or it fails and medical intervention is needed .I think the later is more likely because it feels more fair to the audience (fairness is the same reason I think that if a character makes a threat, it will do so unless stopped). I think that if Amane is forgiven Haruka will die and maybe Shidou too. I know these aren't some of the most popular character but I would feel bad if they died for this and we could not get a third song.
haruka will be restrained not able to hurt himself (that is also why a lot of the community voted him guilty), but also I am not sure on amane. Voting her guilty will subject her to further torment, repeating what she has gone through, and I am worried it will make her more out of control and relapsing, while voting her innocent might shock her but also be harmful to the other prisoners.
â@@kaiaromanelli-sr4rx It is true he will be restrained, I sometimes forget it, I am sorry is just that Amane makes me paranoid to Kotoko levels.
kazui is getting the inno vote, he can protect the others if amane is inno
@@iciarsoto8860 itâs okay! also, if kazui stays innocent, then we have someone who can protect shidou.
Sometimes, I wonder if they actually are restrained?
I know they don't have as much freedom as the others have, but even though Amane was restrained she was allowed to go to the storage room by herself (I assume) and take a pair of scissors without anyone not even Jackalope noticing... I expected that the not forgiven ones would be more watched by the system behind Milgram.
It's possible that Haruka could do the same. I mean, as in sneakily, taking a weapon and using it during the interrogation (voice drama) in front of Es. He would definitely be stopped by Es, but if I'm not sure if Es is strong enough.
That's when probably Kotoko would jump in, just like she did in Mikoto's Voice Drama. She also watched everyone in T1 and kind of knew what's going on inside their head just based on their behaviour and all..
Idk where I'm leading with this kinda sounds like I'm planning to forgive Kotoko because, like Kazui, she can also defend the others so that Es is able to give them a proper judgement (even though she wants to also punish them)
Personally i believe the rainbow is suppose to be a symbol for their god or whatever figure their cult is suppose to worship and congregate around. The four mascots and swirling balloon/flag logo being extremely visually colorful and the rainbow always seemingly present could possibly be an allusion to the sentiment that god is always watching from the sky.
Gozake being the most important of the four mascots who brings the punishment of rain and drowning would even help build up this idea, as a rainbow always appears after it rains, possibly being gods forgiveness after enduring Gozakes punishment
I think alot about the dead cat not being literal and the quote "curiosity kills the cat" maybe she got too curious abt smth idk (?) And got punished for it????
OHH
Wow...
I noticed that when Leader Amane walks among Amanes with flags, these "clouds" actually follow her, and not seem just to aimlessly float around.
I'm so happy you're explaining this to me cuz I hurt my head too much trying to understand the mvs
Im so scared for what might happen I don't want any prisoner corpseđ
same, it would be so traumatising to everyone, and it would break the trust between everyone
And it would be kinda awkward to continue, like, will we just skip the prisoner when the songs get released??đ€·ââïžđ€·ââïž Pretend like they never existed?? (except the other prisoners keep reminding Es what they did wrong and how sickening everything is)
â@@kindnapkinHaruka im literallu terrified for him like with amane out she needs to converr him to not khms...
I just realise that the song god-ish will be a good cover for amane in the third trial, it will be amazing
(And it's possible!!! Deco27 already do a feat with pinnochioP!!!!)
I can't wait to see what song, MV and cover. I'm too exitedâ€â€â€
And I just realise (againđ ) that reincarnation apple đ will be a good cover for kazui like he finally accepte his sexualitie AND zombie for mahiru(I don't know what to say about this cover except that it will be perfect đ«đ))
It will be great that yuno have rabbit holes for cover too, right?
Praying for shoujo rei muu...
Voting her in any way is valid but I hope people don't vote only out of pity and think about the consecuences of their votes.
i ate this video, thanks
Spit it out I still need it
@@kindnapkin too late :p
Babe wake up, napkin uploaded a new video
The cult ran out of milk, so her father went to get it (im sorry)
Normally I do not comment on these videos after watching them so ig this is a first
I think there is a possible solution for this dilemma that could work. If we did go the guilty route for Amane, it would still end up with her getting more stressed mentally. However, it would keep the other prisoners like Shidou safe. However if we vote her innocent, then she has the chance to hurt Shidou while he is treating all of the injured prisoners. What if we decide to look at the bigger picture? I mean all of the violence was done by Kotoko after all. To be honest, it is only one of the possibilities that I have thought of so there are probably more that I haven't considered or discovered yet. I think things might play out for the better if we just vote Kotoko guilty. However, that is not to say that she should be judged unfairly. A lot has to be taken in account while voting so that is including present actions as well. Even if Kotoko had relatively good values in her first trial mv, her present actions would say otherwise. Like Kotoko does realize that she is also a prisoner who committed murder, right? It still gives her no right to attack the prisoners who were not forgiven for their crimes. Well to be honest this does a few things and will possibly create another trolley problem down the line. If we vote Kotoko guilty perhaps she wouldn't attack anyone anymore. However, there is the potential for the other prisoners to attack her as like a sort of payback or just a precaution if she tries this again. However while I don't think that is too likely to happen, it's still a possibility because of Fuuta mostly recovering and possibly taking his revenge on her. Well if we vote her innocent, welp Rip Haruka and Mu. Here is why I brought this up, if we stop the source of the violence then maybe there will be fewer people getting injured. I said fewer because we still got the possibility for Amane to attack Shidou. For now I would say to keep her restrained until Fuuta and Mahiru mostly recovered. There, Shidou wouldn't be healing them anymore or ig for most of the time and Amane would have the values of the her religion satisfied as Shidou isn't taking away the "trials" anymore. However, I know that this is gonna lead to more stress on Amane. After all, she did try to attack Es with scissors in the voice drama because of her current mental state. So there is a reason to vote her innocent as well to prevent it from getting worse. And if all else fails, hopefully the prisoners are smart enough to just use Es as a meat shield since they are essentially like a safe zone as Amane is unable to attack them. To be honest, both possibilities are likely to happen. However which ever verdict happens to Amane, there are possible solutions for the prisoners to use there such as using Es if we went the innocent route or if we just voted both Amane and Kotoko guilty as well to make sure that Fuuta and Mahiru mostly recover. Overall, I would vote Amane guilty in this scenario just to buy more time for Fuuta and Mahiru to recover and for Shidou to ig not heal them later down the line. You are free to disagree with me but that is my take on it ig. I only chose to vote Amane guilty because it gives us voters more control over the situation I think.
Well we're screwed I still think Amane will strike no matter the situation she's too far gone and her defence mechanism will be on all the time making her unpredictable the only people who could stop amane is Mikoto kotoko or kazui I fear this kid big time like I'm sorry if your 12 have been put through your own godly trial but if you're gonna kill us then um sorry but I may have to chain you or knock you out to prevent any harm (no I don't condone doing this) girl half of this cast doesn't need to be here we all need therapy except Muu sorry girl but karma is a bitch and haruka you can join her if you want bc your now gonna kill us
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@@kindnapkin OMG NAPKIN U RESPONDED!!
I'm a bit confused here. Since I thought making her guilty would make her more restricted and stop her from being able to do stuff.
Forgiveness grants the prisoners freedom, after all. Weren't two people assaulted and almost killed BECAUSE we forgave the person who ended up assaulting them?
I'm also feeling like forgiving them might encourage this downwards spiral she's currently going through. Forgiveness isn't just saying they did nothing wrong after all, it's saying you agree with their ideals and thoughts.
I thought the same too. This is Milgram we talk about so we really not sure what's going to happen.
Try to tie amane's vote guys lets make it 50/50
In trial one we didn't "forgive them" it's more so accepting denying something of the character. In trial 1 it was accepting/denying their ideals. So this trial might restrict/free them something else
@@starpeep5769 I don't think that it will be easy. Majority vote her innocent so it'll be really hard to change that. Even Kazui, got one or less percent difference. Not 50/50.
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Thank you so much! Honestly I was so confused for the past week wondering wth happened in the mv and vd so this helps A TON!!! Honestly if I knew she killed her mother and not the cat in T1 I definitely would've voted her innocent!
Anyways what I think for #2 is that Amane still believes that after all the terrible things the cult has done, she will find happiness in the end like a rainbow after the rain or smth. For #3 I found that the balloon kinda looked like an eye if you stared hard enough so I think it's supposed to mean the cult is always watching.
No, thank you for watching đ„ș𫶠and for answering the questions ^^ Very helpful
People should stop meta voting
I loved this video because it says almost everything I've been thinking and analyzing, even though I don't like Amane, I know it's not his fault where he grew up and what he was taught, but that doesn't change the fact. . which is currently a complete danger.
I decided to vote her guilty because I feel there is less risk, and although I feel I am being too harsh on the character, it is better that she is physically limited (although that also worries me because we don't know what they are going to do to the guilty prisoners in the second trial) so that she doesn't hurt Shidou or worsen his beliefs. To be honest, any decision we make in her trial will not help Amane, which is why I prefer to vote her guilty to prevent her from causing problems.
Sorry if my comment is not very understandable, I am not very good at writing in English but I can understand it (I speak Spanish hahaha)
This is a million times more confusing than i thought
Hey everyone, I'm new to this fandom and I still have some question. What will happen if prisoner get more Guilty vote that Innocent vote?
they will further be restrained and the T3 (trial 3) votes determine their final verdict, however the votes affect mvs and the prisoner's thoughts, feelings, and behaviors,
@@janhavinoronha Ohhh.... So the Third Trial determine if they got forgiven or not? I thought it based on how much they got Guilty or Innocent vote. T1 = Innocent, T2 = Guilty, T3 = Innocent, because they got Innocent vote more they are save, i thought it something like that. But i was totally wrong! Thank you for telling meâ„ïž
They would be restricted and likely have more negatives thoughts. IF Kotoko, 010 is innocent, she would beat them up as punishment
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IM CURRENTLY AT THE NEWEST CHAPTER AND IM STILL PATIENTLY WAITING FOR THE 3RD SEASON
THEY BETTER ANNOUNCE IT SOON OR IM GOING TO CRYđ„șđ„șđ„ș
I might be able to provide a little bit of the context for the rainbow but im not sure if it helps at all:
In the bible, there was a story about Noah's Ark that Im sure most of you know. For those of you who don't, basically, God flooded the whole world to get rid of all the wickedness, sparing a certain man named Noah, along with his family by letting them build an ark to help survive the flood. After the floodwaters receded, God made a rainbow in the sky for Noah as a promise that he would never do such a thing like that again. In short, the rainbow may represent promises and vows.
Personally, I don't know for sure who's vows these rainbows represent, though I do heavily believe that the first rainbow we see is a "vow" from Amane's punisher(whether that be Amane's mother or not) that they would never do that again, only for them to obviously keep on doing it. For the third and final rainbow we see in the MV, maybe that was Amane herself making the vow of never seeing people like her mother in an innocent light ever again and resolving that unforgivable people should be punished. However, my brain hurts so someone else can figure out what the second rainbow represents cuz idk
Either that or Amane is just a closeted gay/hj
Extra: Now that I said it, I can totally see the parallels with the first part of the MV and the story of Noah's Ark, so now I'm DEFINITELY on board with my theory all the way
Edit: Just realized that there were actually technically FOUR rainbows instead of three (1st was after Amane was drowned, 2nd was above the mysterious man holding a suitcase as Amane helps the cat, 3rd was during the "white "space" scene with all the mascots behind Amane, 4th was the very last rainbow we see as Amane walks with her umbrella) To that, I argue that the 3rd and 4tg rainbow literally mean the same thing
AAAA I LOVE YOUR THEORY AND THE CONNECTIONS TO NOAH'S ARK AND AMANE'S MV - I can totally see it!!!
Maybe the second rainbow is Amane's vow of wanting to break the rules of the cult just once (to help the cat)? And that it will never happen again..?đ€ idkk WE NEED MORE CLUES AND THEORIES
Ok from my original theory i knew putting her innocent will likely *gain* us something that why i mention many to other comment either any other way is just 50/50 the possibility is low but we can tell by many different things. Q1 She could be one of them to be honest since in the previous MV the 4 punish Amane with four different kind of it some were even electro stock, some even a flow of water drop down and others not to mention the color of the frag we saw also represent the rules of the cult in the lyrics... Q2 Rainbow is unknown for now, Q3 for the girl with the balloon i expect it to be another one member since she also have the same balloon, the sticker could be also mean the same thing. Q4 we donât know how much the author like abusing the animal but i could tell is really exciting.... Q5 there was many objections to be honest Amane said her father still on a long journey and i suspect that the man who was holding the girl with the balloon is the cult leader. Q6 When you are a cult member you have to hide yourself no matter what individual is it. Q7 We donât know i also said that which is in possibility as for mother hitting her out of anger can be many meaning, for her father same above. Q8 Yes is could be true cult aim for cheap people and manipulative them to join their cult, theyâre highly dangerous and very clever as the same time most of cults was found but some were unknown just like the dark websites.... As i said the father is mysterious and the cult is also mysterious i mean we know 4 basic rules in the MV 2 trial but we donât know what their *purpose* is that is what i mean....
Edit: I just realize something what if the *Rainbow* wasnât meant for something but they represent the *color* i said from above???
Thanks for answering the questions!! It's really helpful
I liked most of the analysis as you've pointed out very similar things I've been constantly telling people about.... except your conclusion. I strongly disagree with the forgiven veredict helping Amane. If anything, that will only reassure her that, indeed, she was right all along. Her 1st MV didn't even acknowledge her murder, but only showed the thing with her healing the cat as her "only misdeed". If you forgive her, isn't that the same as saying "yes, killing those who go against the cult's rules is okay".
Amane and the voices:
Moreover, as much as she says she's been ignoring the voices, I do think she's come to be in this state of mental anguish -because- of them. Think about it: Kotoko didn't beat her up and she hasn't been given any other type of punishment beyond the "restrains" (or so it seems). So why has she been pushed to THIS level of psychological instability? Because the voices (all our comments, debates, theories) have all basically come to the agreement that the cult's mentality is wrong and despicable, and that she's just a "poor innocent CHILD who's become nothing but a brainwashed victim" - I believe that all of these ideas + the intense defense mechanism (of relying on the cult's merciless punishings and teachings) have, indeed, driven her to become intensely fed up with MILGRAM.
We "rained on Amane's parade":
I also do wonder what could be the chances that, perhaps the "Amane" that brings down her baton in "punishment" after Amane drops the flag...is actually a representation of Es bringing down "punishment" upon her with the guilty veredict. After all, during her first interrogation, she mentioned MILGRAM possibly being a great opportunity to start a new kind of world under the cult's teachings and that she hoped Es to see things just like her (thus, she presents to him the most "magical" picture of how "wonderful" the cult is). Amane's excitement over this possibility is, however, completely ruined with Es declaring her UNFORGIVEN (guilty) which is, quite literally, him "raining on his parade" and ruining her plans. What's more, being told that she was in the wrong and "guilty" most certainly triggered her to remember all the other times she had been punished for being "wrong" and thus we get a deeper dive into her mind.
... Someone's also suggested Amane wants to start her own cult, and I'm afraid to say I can kinda see that too (? maybe? I'm very eager to discuss more theories though!
I have just realized something
The cult just don't like medical facilities and medication
*In Amane's first MV*, we see that every mascot govern a rule of some sort. Gachata governs diligence, Yuri governs compassion, Gozake governs kindness, but we didn't get to see Riyone's attributes because we were interrupted by the injured cat. When Amane gave medical attention to the cat, she did it in secret and when the mascots find out, they torture and punish her, starting with Riyone's electrocution. We all know the punishments all have a mascot attributed to them.
*In the second MV*, we see Amane helping an injured cat (a nod back to the first MV) and got snitched by other cult members. When she gets home, her mother was already waiting with a taser in her hands. The screenshot of the father's chat hanged on the door also states that cult members should respect medical facilities even if their teaching forbids them from going there. We also sees that none of Amane's injuries were patched up when she went to see the now dead cat.
*In the interrogation flashcards* we see that Amane saw any form of difficulty in her way (e.g prison, physical injury, etc.) as a trial by God. She also sees Shodou as an interference to the trial as he is a doctor.
*The voice drama* also shows Amane trying to hurt Shidou.
So we can see that basically, the cult is just Buddhism (with its self-denial philosophy) with an added bonus of torture and pain. Any kind of injury the cult members receive is *never* going to get any form of medical attention.
That's enlightening and terrible
the fact my dumb brain was like... okay... you murdered youre going to jail bye byeđđđđđ
i don't know much about milgram and the prisoner. i just know that AMANEE NOOOO đđđ
I love Amane n want to protect her
On tt u saw someone talk about tge red balloon and there supposed to symbolize like childhood and stuff and they think its supposed to represent how amanes childhood was ripped apart from here and stuff
I want more es and amane sibling fight didnt know Es is 15 and considering amane is 12 yea they should and would act like siblings as its only 3 years and Es using outdated data to prove a point is hilarious to me like why did you bring this up Es!????? Just to bully her????
Btw are ppl forgetting amane killed a adult isnt this why she is in Milgram...? Having a trail...? Her 2nd one to be exact
Es is so hilarious
I know this video was made 4 months ago but I was wondering if we vote amane innocent wouldnât she not listen to us because it would prove her ignoring the voices worked out(Iâm still voting her innocent)
EVERYONE, I KNOW WE CAN VOTE A TIE FOR AMANEâS SECOND TRIAL. DONâT THINK ABOUT WHETHER ITâS IMPOSSIBLE OR NOT. WE HAVE TO BELIEVE WE CAN DO THIS!!
What would happen to amane if it a tie!? đ±
We failed... I think ppl r gonna die this trial... Haruka is dead
This vote actually terrifies me because on one hand I can see why people really want to forgive Amane and hope she changes for the better but on the other hand this vote screams this is the Kotoko vote of trial 2. What I mean by that is if there is an innocent vote I think people will regret after trial 2 it would most likely be this one. Also one other thing about the VD that you didn't mention in the video and I think a lot of others might not have caught because it was very subtle, Amane says "Are the prisoners who weren't forgiven feeling lost right now? Maybe they will need our faith as well." This makes me believe Amane if voted innocent will attempt to recruit Haruka and Muu into her cult and well I could definitely see both accepting especially Haruka. I think an innocent vote here has the potential to do way more damage than most people think.
MIND IS EXPLOSION I also have big amane theory and I will take your in mind
if me mention any relation to yours expect be in credit
(the broken english is very silly and intended)
YES YES! Go ahead!! I need more theories about her whole situation đ«đ«
@@kindnapkin AAAA TYSMM AND FRRFRR BIG POG REAL SAMEE
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iâm fifteen so iâm consi
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I so so sorry BUT i seen this or heard this once that Amane is using 'we' to refer of her acting out how would the higher up act in situation most commonly in the comics prior to T 2 BUT what is this defensive system called i wanted to point out this in my Art examination so may be of help to tell what amane is doing rn what is it called thank youu amane innocent please
Have no context as to why this was recomended to me is fun but wild
Wait, what are your opinions on the growing relationship of amane and fuuta based on how he is speaking currently in the timeline conversation, could this be beneficial for both of them
I actually didn't expect this combination, but I'm excited about what's going to happen!! I really love them both and hc them as found family/siblings (+ Es)đ„čđ«¶
Not sure if it's beneficial for both of them :'D All I'm able to tell by now is that Amane is trying to help Fuuta by all good means. She is not using him as a pawn. She's aware that he's in pain and uses her religion to save him just like it ""saved"" her.
Fuuta is really easily influenced by people/peer pressure, etc. So when he was in complete despair I guess only Amane was there to help him mentally (while Shidou was busy helping him and Mappi physically and everyone else had their own problems.) He really needed someone to rely on, someone who accepts him (Just like he said in the timeline Q_Q). Also based on the timelines after T1 he only talked to the other guilty/not forgiven prisoners?? Have to look that up again...
I might do a whole video about them and the others in T3. I wish I had more time!!!đ„Č But here are the things that I have in mind and that would be in the video =
*Things I do worry about:*
1. Fuuta might refuse Shidou's medical help if he follows ALL the rules of Amane's religion. So far, Fuuta only mentioned that the help of medical help isn't *enough* to Mappi (I don't remember what exactly he said to her and I can't find the TL anymoređ)
2. Fuuta and Amane could stop Shidou from helping anyone else get medical treatment.
3. Might even hurt Shidou if they work together.
"Kazui will save Shidou before that's going to happen." Now I'm not sure if Kazui is able to keep an eye on everything. We have;
- Haruka very likely going to commit sui-de,
- Muu and Kotoko getting hurt (Kotoko is not safe anymore, I even think Amane and Fuuta are going to take revenge and you know the phrase... *"An Eye for an Eye"*. And Muu might only get hurt mentally because of Milgram's Punishment System but Muu was also sui-dal in After Pain, according to the lyrics, so...),
- Shidou AND Yuno also getting possibly hurt (Shidou is obvious why but Yuno getting hurt is because she also started helping Shidou in taking medical care of Mappi)
Also who would expect Fuuta, the guy who got quieter and less aggressive after T1, helping Amane hurt the person (Shidou) who is helping everyone. That's like a good twist for the prisoners and something Kazui would not expect. (Surprise Attack)
And there is probably more. I think I forgot about Mikoto. Something is definitely going to happen to John and not sure how Mikoto will handle that.. OR MIDOKOTO GOING TO BE CANON OMG
I'm not sure if Kazui is able to handle it all and we don't know what he is going through mentally. Imagine if the gay theory is not true and Kazui being disappointed in Milgram and Es AGAIN
4. Mahiru might join Fuuta and Amane because Fuuta seems like he really wants to help her as well and Amane likes Mappi. Not sure what's going to happen if Mappi refuses but Shidou will definitely stop them and we know what will happen..
Whether it's actually something to worry about, I'm not sure. It's just that Fuuta and Mappi really need the medical treatment and refusing it will make the injury worse.
I already feel bad for Es. IMAGINE WAKING UP TO THIS CHAOS LIKE I WOULD UNDERSTAND THEM IF THEY ARE GOING BACK TO SLEEP. AND I THINK T3 IS GOING TO BE WORSE THAN WHAT I IMAGINED đđ I can't handle this :'DDD
Ahh the comment got rlly long!! I hope I was able to explain everything as understandable as possible!! I would really love to make a video about this but you know it would take me forever to finish a video :'D I will probably just like copy paste this comment, add more stuff ofc and turn it into a video haha.
But only after I finished the theories of the other prisoners ^^;;;
What's your opinion?? Do you think it will end up just like this or is there more?
@@kindnapkin to be honest, I don't know, oh but you can look for the timeline convo in the milgram wiki, fuuta said he's grateful for shidou for the help, so maybe he might be some sort of connection between shidou and amane, amane might worry more about taking care of fuuta to focus on shidou due to how mentally damaged he was by his verdict, I know jackalope said that prisoners are free to due whatever during es sleeping, but I doubt deco and everyone would be cruel to just kill someone off, so I'm on the fence about haruka, as for mahiru, she is also grateful for shidou, so even if they try, mahiru might become the voice of reason for them, and considering her innocent verdict, she might look better in t3, this is a theory of fuuta and amane has been on the back of my head for 2 months, so all we can do is hope that when we wake up again, things will be more peaceful, not relaxed, but just less stressful between everyone. But hey as the man once said, that's just a theory, a milgram theory.
@@kindnapkin oh and take your time, there is no rush, treat yourself to a break, working on something is hard, so don't push yourself too hard
hey napkin, why is there a lot of papers shoved in the mail slot in the door of amaneâs house? like, what are those papers? invitation to the cult?
Voted innocent just for everyone's and your theories, she needs a damn actual family from ghe beginning
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Mappi is going to adopt Amane after T3 and they will have an amazing and healthy mother-daughter relationshipđ
0:17 did you post bleh mikoto on twitter or tumblr or something? i need itđ
Nah, I upload everything here on shorts haha If you mean to save the picture then screenshoting it is the only option since YT doesn't support the 'vid/image saving' featuređ„Č
(This is a collection of evidence on why Amane's mother was the one she killed pulled out of the interrogation flashcards from the MILGRAM wiki)
*Season 1*
Q.2 = She holds her father in high esteem. She states that her father's long journey is very honourable
Q.4 = She sees herself as an exemplary daughter (meaning that she is brainwashed)
Q.8 = Both ethics and emotions are trivial to her, meaning that she only follow the cult's orders
Q.13 = She wants to meet her father and praise her for working hard
Q.18 = She didn't regret her murder and saw it as a natural obligation
Q.20 = She only saw her imprisonment as a trial by God
*Season 2*
Q.2 = She deeply believes that she were loved (another brainwashed answer)
Q.3 = She states that there are no victims, only those who were served punishment
Q.4 = She conformed herself to her parent's wish in naming her
Q.10 = She is very proud of her father working hard and becoming a lecturer
Q.11 = She loves the person she killed (a reference to Q.3 of S2)
Q.17 = She killed her victim only in accordance to what she has been taught. She also thought that the people she respects will praise her and tell her she did good
Q.19 = She states that her mother should have kept her faith to the very end (this the proof inside the pudding that her mother did something viewed as a sin by the cult, so Amane punishes her mother and accidentally killed her)
*Additional info* = Amane barely mentions her mother in her interrogation, meaning that she didn't have much fond memories with her mother as much as with her father
innocent
She is quilty.