Aegon's Dream is the Reason for Targaryen "Madness" & Why it Matters | ASOIAF & HOTD Theory

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  • 🐉 *Targaryen Madness: Not Hereditary, Dreams, & Foreshadowing in The Winds of Winter* 🐉
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    📜 Chapters 📜
    00:00 - Intro
    00:40 - Targaryen Madness & Dreams
    02:56 - The Prince that was Promised & Men Dreamers
    08:24 - Aerion Targaryen, Daeron the Drunken & Maester Aemon
    16:17 - Aerys the Mad King & Viserys
    20:22 - Baelor The Blessed & Rhaegel Targaryen
    27:28 - Maegor the Cruel
    29:44 - Aegon V & Rhaegar: Overconfident not Mad
    34:42 - Why this is important to the current storyline.
    38:30 - The Sphinx is the Riddle - The Dragon Has Three Heads
    42:01 - Outro
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  • @CompanyOfTheCat
    @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci +23

    Have you read Dunk & Egg? If yes, write why they are the best side publications below!
    BTW, a few hours ago, Crusader Chris also uploaded a video on the same topic😂. We are not talking about the exact same stuff, so to the people who watch both our channels, have fun watching both of them!

    • @Ilargizuri
      @Ilargizuri Před 6 měsíci

      Does listening to an Audiobook count as reading?

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci +2

      Of course, if someone can concentrate, bc personally I can't.

    • @Ilargizuri
      @Ilargizuri Před 6 měsíci +2

      @@CompanyOfTheCat In this Case, I love that Book because Dunk is so unbelievable awkward at least in my Opinion. He is the First Character created by GRRM with whom I can actually identify on some level. He is so adorable Naive and ... I don't know, I like Dunk because he is no Lord.

    • @sinthoras1917
      @sinthoras1917 Před 6 měsíci

      because of Lord Bloodraven of course. But also Egg. And because the stories are really cool and immersive. and and and

  • @treckerdirector7
    @treckerdirector7 Před 6 měsíci +24

    Driven mad by prophecies sure beats being mad by "lover boy don't love me no more and bff killed".
    The fun part is, most of the time, cruelty equals madness. or just non conformity behaviour equals madness. I like the fact that George leaves this ambiguous.
    another great vid.

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci +4

      Yeah, at least one of them is happening over time and let's be honest, it can be very traumatic. We have seen many dragon dreams and they are not that fun most of the time. Also, prophecies as a reason for mental issues are SO Martin-coded😂

  • @fayperce
    @fayperce Před 6 měsíci +16

    Dunk and Egg really spelled it out, I don't understand why we needed HotD to confirmed the prophecy.

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci +13

      Right? Re-reading the books knowing about this dream, you understand that everything was laid down from the start.

    • @SV-tx6hw
      @SV-tx6hw Před 6 měsíci +5

      Yes, and I don't get why people do not like it as a plot point, I think it is great!

  • @aaronabarca4919
    @aaronabarca4919 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Maybe Baelor saw a vision similar to what you think Hugor of the Hill had and that led to the sept being constructed and his obsession with the faith

  • @laurawilliams7782
    @laurawilliams7782 Před 6 měsíci +6

    It never made sense to me that Dany's dream of Reagar would be an absolutely accurate vision of the past, when everything else she dreams is cloaked in metaphor. Prophets can be accurate - like Maggie the Frog, but she was using blood magic, not dreams.

  • @Charles-In-Charge
    @Charles-In-Charge Před 6 měsíci +2

    Way better throughline for Targaryen madness than anything else I’ve seen

  • @allyriastark3508
    @allyriastark3508 Před 6 měsíci +4

    I wonder if Blackfyres had dragon dreams as well, Daemon II had dreams and maybe Maelys because in drafts of ADWD Maelys sacrifices his son Baenor(?) to hatch dragons

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci

      I am guessing they did have. We have already been told that some had, and who says that others didn't have as well. After all, they do have dragon blood.

  • @taco4242
    @taco4242 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Let's go! I'm pumped for this vid!

  • @billberndtson
    @billberndtson Před 6 měsíci +5

    I love your long videos. 😃 I don't feel that way about everyone's.

  • @gerrys374
    @gerrys374 Před 6 měsíci +4

    I haven't read Dunk & Egg and from what I see, I have too!

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Read them! They are great and both Dunk and Egg are sweethearts!

    • @ladyvimto5546
      @ladyvimto5546 Před 6 měsíci

      I’m so jealous! They are wonderful stories!

  • @J_Mock92
    @J_Mock92 Před 6 měsíci +6

    I feel like most of the Targaryens have prophetic dreams (probably more after the dragons died out for whatever reason), but the men are just far less likely to interpret them correctly. I dont have a fully thought out reason myself, but you basically said most of it in the video lol... After the Conquest (especially after the reign of Jaehaerys 1), there seems to be more emphasis on male "dominance" or "importance," that clouds their judgement even more. It also sort of makes me think about the differences in how "men" and "women" think about and interpret things (im not trying to stereotype or even speak in terms of biology, but hear me out), but women/ more "feminine" thinking people tend to have a broader and more open-minded perspective on things. Its kind of hard to explain what im thinking without saying that "men are more logical and women are more emotional," but I dont mean it in a negative way. I feel like most men tend to get fixated on what they think is logical or already "know," while women tend to be more in touch with emotions and have an overall more conceptual perspective, which gives them more insight and is far more rational than being stuck on preconceived notions. Obviously this is all generalized, and that was one hell of a ramble, but I hope it made at least a little bit of sense in regards to prophecy.... 😂

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci +6

      It does make sense, mostly because of society, women did have a different way of thinking, even biology aside. When most women grow up in a society that 100% supports and believes that "Oh, of course, women are inferior to men, even the highborn ones.", it is normal that the moment a woman has these dreams will not react the same. It is a generalization, but it is also a thing because of the way Westerosi society is structured. Visenya for example, personally I think even though a woman, she did fall into a similar trap with many men in the series because she was the firstborn because she was a fighter. After all, she was a dragonrider and did the heavy lifting of the reign.
      As far as Dany goes, it is obvious she didn't try to make it work, and even if he was aware wouldn't do it, because people believed in a "Prince". Plus, a woman bringing forth life and hatching eggs, does make way more sense.

    • @J_Mock92
      @J_Mock92 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Hopefully that didn't come across as sexist, and made at least a portion of the amount of sense it did in my head

    • @J_Mock92
      @J_Mock92 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@CompanyOfTheCat I'm glad what I said made sense, because I reread it and thought it sounded even more rambling than when I typed it lol. I have a bunch of half thought out things in my head about prophecy and stuff. It's really women in general in ASOIAF that seem capable of interpreting prophecy at all. It makes me wonder what the implications for certain characters, like Melisandre, who seems to be chasing prophecy so hard that she's either completely blinded by it... Or does she know she's interpreting things wrong and just doing mental gymnastics to convince herself otherwise? I find her fascinating and wish we had more POV chapters for her lol

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci +2

      Mel I think is really really devout. She had a horrendous life and the only reason she has power now is R'hollor in her eyes. Her god saved her, so there is no way the god is misleading her. At least this is how it came out to me from the things he was thinking in her POV.
      She is still thinking about her slavery, she still has dreams and doesn't want to sleep, because she thinks is the great other and she looks convinced that Stannis is Azor Ahai and is asking R'hollor to show him to her.

    • @J_Mock92
      @J_Mock92 Před 6 měsíci +2

      @@CompanyOfTheCat I totally agree with that. I think that she might be so devout that it's clouding her judgement or something though (for lack of a better explanation). Like, she's seeing the visions perfectly, but interpreting them based off of her preconceived ideas, like the Targaryen men almost. It's hard to explain, but it makes sense in my head. She's clearly beginning to become frustrated or starting to doubt herself by her POV chapter (at least that's what I thought), since she's not seeing what she wants to with the whole "I pray for Azor Ahai, but all I see is Snow" or whatever the exact quote is, but it almost seems like she either truly doesn't understand why it doesn't make sense, or just doesn't want to. I mean, she's not dumb, but I think it kind of ties into the whole "chasing prophecy" thing, and maybe her brain and visions haven't been working like they're supposed to, because (it may be "tinfoil," but) I pretty much firmly believe she was a Wildling Greenseer who was captured from Hardhome as a child hundreds of years ago, which could explain why she seems to be doubting/questioning herself or potentially seeing different/more accurate things, now that she's at the Wall, and might completely turn her world upside down..... Idk lol

  • @OfAshesPhoenix
    @OfAshesPhoenix Před 6 měsíci +21

    I never clicked on a thumbnail this fast

    • @OfAshesPhoenix
      @OfAshesPhoenix Před 6 měsíci +6

      I loved it! It's incredible how you're basically the only person in the ASOIAF space who is able to find these tiny clues in the text and join them together so that no matter how insane your theory is, it is always coherent I find myself convinced 100%; any other time I see people do that, they always end up spewing some illogical, contrarian bullshit and I hate them, lol.
      I think this idea of Targaryen madness being a thing exclusive to men's entitlement connects nicely with how Dany is supposed to be a gendered subversion of a typical fantasy hero that George spoke of at length. Valyrian magic seems to be quite strongly connected to women, with Daenys being the only dreamer before Dany to be truly able to decipher what she sees in the dreams, whereas all other men keep misreading those signs (assuming that it was Visenya who had the dream, which I find really plausible; if not, then the last sane dreamer is Aegon). I think this is additionally reinforced with the increasing loss of women's power once the Valyrians began assimilating into the Andal law, especially with Rhaenyra and Aegon, who seem to be connected to the Amethyst Empress and Bloodstone Emperor; he usurped and killed her and the blood betrayal caused the Long Night, while Aegon's usurpation of Rhaenyra caused the death of dragons and the disappearance of magic from the world, likely giving rise to the Others... only for said magic to be brought back by a little girl who was supposed to die for men's ambitions. I would be incredibly disappointed if "no one ever looked for a girl" was not vindicated and if it turned out that Dany is that one woman who somehow succumbs to it and dies the same way women in fantasy tend to die.

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci +8

      In general, GRRM connected fire to life, and women and their role in bringing forth life is something that plays A BIG role in the series. In the house of black and white, we are told this:
      Many have served Him of Many Faces through the centuries, but only a few of His servants have been women. Women bring life into the world. We bring the gift of death. No one can do both.
      So, fire magic being more connected to women is something that I find very plausible. Even George said Mother of Dragons hits differently than Father of Dragons. The symbolism involved is way more effective.
      Glad you enjoyed it!❤️ I have so much fun making theories and I love it when people come here and leave convinced!!😂

    • @J_Mock92
      @J_Mock92 Před 6 měsíci +5

      ​@@OfAshesPhoenix I'm a fairly newer subscriber to this channel, but I feel the same way! Just the whole thought process and reasoning makes so much sense to me. I find myself agreeing with so many points made, and still completely understand the thinking behind anything I haven't really thought of or don't necessarily agree with (I'm fully on board with this theory btw lol). I love finding new (at least to me) creators with well thought out theories and videos. I'm pretty sure I found both of you right around the same time actually, so thank you if either of you helped CZcams suggest the other ❤

  • @joseysomemore
    @joseysomemore Před 6 měsíci +2

    Have read dunk and egg 2x. got 3x. I will love it when BR is on the screen, young and making his moves and of course summerhall.

  • @TheDeathlyPrince
    @TheDeathlyPrince Před 3 měsíci

    You just opened my eyes to an hypothesis I haven't considered before...

  • @Tremere
    @Tremere Před 6 měsíci +2

    Really enjoying your channel, hope there’s more to come!

  • @viridianveritas
    @viridianveritas Před 6 měsíci +1

    Always love your theroies! Dont stop!

  • @animationcity8611
    @animationcity8611 Před 6 měsíci +7

    Now for your video lol

  • @jessie_dreams_
    @jessie_dreams_ Před 6 měsíci +1

    Thank u for the video!

  • @minnumseerrund
    @minnumseerrund Před 6 měsíci +3

    Self-fulfilling prophecy, self-fulfilling prophecy, self-fulfilling prophecy. It's literally one of the oldest tropes in fiction

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci +5

      And if it is done correctly, I eat it up every single time 😂
      I love it!

    • @minnumseerrund
      @minnumseerrund Před 6 měsíci

      @@CompanyOfTheCat yea, absolutely. It's just such a cliché by now that the actual plost-twist would be a prophecy being interpreted absolutely correctly with no unforeseen downside :p

  • @rainy7106
    @rainy7106 Před 6 měsíci +3

    The prophecy fortells a dragon coming forth as the hero, dragons are neither male nor female...
    Sweets confirmed to be Azor Ahai

  • @sinthoras1917
    @sinthoras1917 Před 6 měsíci

    It is important to note, that to the Smallfolk arguably reasonably basically every Targaryen would seem kinda mad.

  • @joshwells3782
    @joshwells3782 Před 6 měsíci

    Being mad doesnt mean your insane always it varies from a little to a lot

  • @jadehaze7939
    @jadehaze7939 Před 5 měsíci

    Is Company of the Cat hispanic? Their accent is very similar to mine.

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 5 měsíci

      I'm Greek, but indeed we sound very similar with Hispanic people when we speak English

  • @jonnytorres664
    @jonnytorres664 Před 25 dny

    Okey now looking at all the "deluluu" targs there's one thing in common: All of them are men. Everytime a targaryen men has a dream or prophecy, shit goes DOWN. Even with Stannis (which his grandma was a targaryen, making him have targaryen blood and also how the baratheons have targ connections since their origin) its shown that his prophecy of waking dragons its NOT going to be what he thinks it is, then we have Shireen that she has dreams of dragons eating her, dragons fire made flesh and all that and her end by being burned or also just her father literally burning her.
    Conclusion: If a guy targ/with dragon blood tells you he has dreams, you shut that shit down.

  • @Stormborn1991
    @Stormborn1991 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I would add also Cersei and Joff coff to this "Mad list"😂 . I am serious, the most targaryenlike in terms of madness, are those two. I think that the Targaryen tendency to madness has nothing to do with having prophetic dreams, actually. I think It might be an hereditary mental illness due to endogamy. Egg knew, that there was something wrong with his family because of that. He tried to change the pattern , but things didn't turn out the way he wanted.

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci +1

      I don't think that incest plays a role, bc they have practiced it since Valyria, everyone did it all dragonlords. If there was a problem I doubt they would continue it for 5k years in Valyria. Egg was living with the small folk, so of course he was closest to their beliefs and since most small folk are religious, they thought it sinful and weird, because IT IS weird😂
      Imo hereditary madness is lazy. Because then these characters are bland, "Oh, they would go crazy it is in their blood". It is a very cheap writing plot point. On the other side, the prophecies obviously played a role in eveyrone's life, we can see it and in many cases, we are told explicitly that these dreams and prophecies are the reason. Plus, these characters are always responsible for what they are doing. What they do with the info they get reveals their true character.
      Cersei's issues are rooted in the prophecies by Maegi and Joffrey grew up with her, so of course he followed in her path.
      Idk, just DNA madness would be a very poor writing choice IMO, and would also create massive red herrings all over the novels since all these dreams are there for some reason, but if they were just useless and didn't even have consequences apart from Summerhal, then what even is their point.

    • @Stormborn1991
      @Stormborn1991 Před 6 měsíci +1

      ​@@CompanyOfTheCat if having prophetic dreams would have been the only factor , then there would have been much more "Mad Targaryens". And we know that It is not the case. There have been many dreamers in the Targaryen linage, but not so many mad targys.

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Not really. The people who were arrogant and egocentric were affected to the point of becoming unstable, on the other side, people who weren't didn't.
      Most made mistakes by following this prophecy, Aegon IV, Aegon V, Rhaegar, and many more were affected by the prophecy, and made mistakes bc of this prophecy, but they were not that affected as people like Aerys, Aerion and Baleor.

    • @Stormborn1991
      @Stormborn1991 Před 6 měsíci

      @@CompanyOfTheCat In my opinion, people like Baelor I, Aerion, Aerys II or his son Viserys orrrr Joeffry, were mad because they were mad, not because they had prophetic dreams. They all had paranoid thoughts , they all were very selfcentric and most of them had a problem with controling their anger. I see a pattern there . Prophetic dreams aren't necesary to develop a mental illness. And we know for a fact that trauma played a role in some cases, like Aerys II and Viserys and I would also add Cersei (Joeffry's death).

  • @yggdrasil2
    @yggdrasil2 Před 6 měsíci

    Why do you think characters have these peophetic visions in the series?

  • @NANINANI-cs6rn
    @NANINANI-cs6rn Před 5 měsíci

    Tbh i think the three heades dragons are danerys and Jon and jaime, danerys and dany are little bit obvious, and jaime i believe he's the son of aerys him and Cersei, the evidence are his dream with his mother and also jenna telling him tyrion tywin son not you
    But the biggest evidence IS moqorro when he said he sees dragon and he mentionned six people{old and young, Real and Fake, bright and dark} aemond danerys Jon faegon jaime Cersei,
    And also Dany taught she needs two more man at her side the only two that Can she trust, and the next two chapters were pov of Jon and jaime
    i wonder whats your opinion about that

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 5 měsíci

      Yeah, I don't vibe with the whole Cersei, Tyrion, Jaime secret Targs not gonna lie. With the exception of Tyrion the other two are not in the key-five and they never were. I truly do not see Jaime as a hero in the story (maybe I am a biased Bran Stan idk, but I really do not think of him as a hero and he definitely does not undergo a redemption arc, sorry not sorry😂)
      I know that many people do not care about Bran or say he is boring etc, but it is obvious he is in the center of stuff along with Dany and Jon, so if I had to choose Dany, Jon, Bran, or Arya. The others have almost zero connection to the magical conflict. Plus, we always have the colors in triads (Blue=Ice, Red=fire & Green=Green Powers) and Black, White, and Grey, and the people associated with these colors are Dany, Jon, Bran, and Arya.

  • @thekrakensdaughter
    @thekrakensdaughter Před 6 měsíci

    is aegon dream even canon or just show stuff?

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci +4

      It is definitely canon. They put it in the show because GRRM said it, but even without HOTD in D&E as well as from various passages in the main series, TWOIAF and F&B, they talk about the prophecy in the scrolls and their dreams.

    • @FigurativeJim
      @FigurativeJim Před 6 měsíci +1

      You see misleading clues in the world book. At numerous points Valyrian priests spoke of a "doom of man" from across the Narrow Sea. At the same time, they also foretold that the gold of Casterly Rock would Doom them. Which doom is which?

  • @bountykilla6254
    @bountykilla6254 Před 6 měsíci

    the third head of the dragon is Tyrion. There is a theory that Tyrion is the son on the mad king and Tywin's wife

    • @user-og1xf9jt5v
      @user-og1xf9jt5v Před 5 měsíci +2

      Tyrion definitely Tywin's son. I think all three head of dragons can be only Daenerys

    • @jeannebouwman1970
      @jeannebouwman1970 Před 3 měsíci

      Tyrion cannot be the son of aerys, tywin and Joanna were in casterly rock during tyrions conception while aerys was in King's landing.

  • @parascopicvision
    @parascopicvision Před 6 měsíci

    I think it’s a little unproductive to say that we know Aegon’s prophecy is incorrect. I could be wrong, but to me it seems very clear (based on this prophecy, input from Martin, and the likelihood that they will remake GOT in the next 5-10 years) that the ending of GOT Season 8 is not “canon” to HOTD.
    I understand why fans are deflated/triggered about the Wights and the Others and how disastrously that ended in the original show, but we KNOW that Seasons 7-8 was a sham, and Martin himself has said the ending will not be the same. I think people have to give HOTD a chance, to live on its own (even with references to the Others) in a “canon” that may be adjacent to GOT (particularly in the first 3-4 seasons) but is not wholly the same world.
    Aegon’s prophecy could be and likely is “true” in the sense that the audience will (post TWOW and ADOS) understand how Aegon could come to this conclusion, and his reasoning for conquering Westeros, after seeing the “true” sequence of events in regards to the Prince That Was Promised, Azor Ahai as they play out in the books.
    Martin does not introduce prophecies arbitrarily, I feel that in all of them you can glean truth and see where the idea or vision becomes interpretation when filtered through the mind of the person receiving/giving the prophecy. I expect that Aegon’s own prophecy, named after the series itself (in a meta textual sense), will not be the one vision or prophecy that is entirely (or even mostly) wrong.
    TL;DR: I think Aegon’s prophecy is Martin speaking directly to the audience: “This story is not, and will not end like, Season 8 of GOT, this chapter of an iteration of my story exists in a closer canon to the books than its predecessor.”

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci +5

      All prophecies are wrong and all prophecies are correct. That is the very nature of a prophecy. Aegon's prophecy isn't that different.
      What Aegon or whoever saw, isn't the same as what these scrolls, that Aemon, Aerys I, and Rhaegar were talking about. They say they found something that talks about a prince, but apparently isn't a prince, because Aemon says we were fools dragons are not male nor female and the language misled us, meaning that the translation they have or the way they themselves translated it (from High Valyrian from what I understand) is wrong. We are explicitly told exactly that. If this prophecy came from a dream, like most of them do, then it was obviously about a dragon, since they are watching mainly dragons. But the thing is they were following these translations or if they had dreams themselves they are certain that this dragon is themselves, something that again isn't the case.
      Whoever tries to follow a prophecy, Cersei, Stannis, Euron, Aegon V, or Rhaegar is following a wrong prophecy, even if the prophecy is correct, bc you cannot follow a prophecy. I talked about S08 mostly because the Mad Dany debate was fuelled by the series, even though it makes zero sense. The prophecy of Aegon even though came from HOTD, is a thing, it came from Martin, but even if it wasn't from the series, from D&E, Sam's chapters, and Dany's chapters we see that they knew about the prince that was promised, and they did try to follow it.
      Dany fulfilled this prophecy, by not being aware of this prophecy and not trying actively to fulfill it. Because this is the only way to fulfill a prophecy.
      I also write an essay😂

    • @parascopicvision
      @parascopicvision Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@CompanyOfTheCat
      An essay for an essay! Took me awhile to form my thoughts, forgive the run-ons 😅
      I agree with your initial thoughts! Prophecy is right and wrong. But, I think there is a degree to which a prophecy can be right or wrong. However, what you said about prophecy being both right and wrong must necessary apply to the whole of a prophecy, and not limited to only a few lines.
      The line in the prophecy about “the Prince That Was Promised” being “from my [Aegon] blood” should mean something definable. It might not mean that “the Prince” is directly descended from Aegon, but there needs to be a connection between Aegon and “the Prince” beyond “I’m having a vision so of course it’s about me and my line”. Otherwise, Aegon has that particular element completely wrong, and narratively there’s no point in its inclusion, or that it is HIS vision.
      Yes, you can’t follow the prophecy, there’s no right way to do it. And most people DO think the prophecy regards themselves, and they are incorrect (somewhat). In this case, I think Aegon is similarly both right and wrong: as dragons are needed to defeat the Others, and as the Targaryens are the last dragon-riders: in Aegon’s mind the one(s) to defeat the terror from the North must be a dragon-rider-and therefore a Targaryen-and descended from himself (or Rhaenys, if you believe Aegon was sterile, or that Aenys is not truly his son).
      As a side note, this idea of Aegon not having any children (and therefore the prophesied figure not being directly descended from him) is the level or degree to which I think the prophecy is right and wrong. If the Prince That Was Promised is descended directly from Rhaenys and not Aegon: yes, the prophetic hero is related to Aegon, and may be dragon-rider, and may be believed to be a scion of the Conqueror, but the truth (that his sister had an affair to produce his heir) is far less awe-inspiring; and thus I think it fits in with Martin’s subversion of prophecy and fate.
      The point I vehemently disagree with (not with you in particular, but I’ve seen this elsewhere) is that somehow “season 8 proves that Aegon’s prophecy does not matter” and that it won’t have some measure of truth. Or worse, that Arya fulfills the prophecy: she is Azor Ahai and the Prince That Was Promised. That means everyone in the story (Aegon, Aemon, and Rhaegar) were not only wrong, but so incorrect that not one of our characters would have had any chance of correctly choosing the identity of this prophesied figure. No, it has been said by the show runners that Arya was chosen for shock value, and at least in the show, the prophecy was not fulfilled.
      Does that mean that all prophecies are wholly wrong, and cannot be fulfilled, or that Aegon was biased? Of course he was biased, but he was able to extract truth within; a truth not even alluded to in the season finale of GOT.
      And I don’t entirely see how the figure Aemon and Rhaegar were searching for is not the same as the one Aegon spoke of. I understand and believe there is some in-world confusion about the prophetical figures, but I don’t think Aemon and Rhaegar are searching for a figure Aegon did not envision. Both sources mention the “Prince That Was Promised” and deal with the “Song of Ice and Fire”, and the latter mention, because it literally is Aegon’s prophecy-the song-clues me into the idea that these prophecies reference the same savior figure. Whether they’re speaking of Azor Ahai, and if that is the same figure as TPTWP is another matter entirely.

    • @CompanyOfTheCat
      @CompanyOfTheCat  Před 6 měsíci +5

      @@parascopicvision Oh, Aegon's prophecy does matter, S08 is bs plain as that, Mad Queen Dany is stupid, and Arya being Azor Ahai in such an underwhelming is also bs as is most of the series. But you cannot make it come true in a specific way, in that matter, the prophecy will always be wrong and will be correct at the same time by coming into play differently than expected.
      As far as the" Waking Dragons from Stone" goes, meaning the Azor Ahai prophecy and the one Aemon and Rhaegar had about the prince (since we see the same bits about the salt and smoke and bleeding stars, we are talking at least partly about the same prophecy), it is fulfilled it was about the return of dragons and it happened. The Targaryen "prince" that brought back dragons and many Targaryens dreamed about was Daenerys.
      We have a bunch of prophecies though, and most of them point to more than one person and if I had to take a guess from everything we know, Jon, Bran, and Dany are obviously involved.

  • @Ilargizuri
    @Ilargizuri Před 6 měsíci

    I am sorry that I only came to watch this video now. Christmas and Family and Stress at Work because a Colleague decided to resign and call a Doctor for a sick certificate so that she would not return until her month's Notice was valid. So a lot of Stress in my life right now, so when I saw the video, I left a Thumbs up for you, because I know your Videos are always good, and there is no doubt that I will like this one too, so without watching the Video I liked it and as always, I was right, I liked it^^ Thank you for your hard work.🫂
    About the Sphinx, I don't think it is about 3 People like you mentioned with Jon, Dany and Bran, but about 3 Topics with 3 Groups. And every Symbol of the Sphinx shows that Topic in the Books.
    The Bird is for Food, the Lion is for Death and the Head is for Knowledge. All three in Balance will guarantee the Survival of the Human Race.
    The Food is with the Starks and Vale, which is the Reason, Jon and Sansa are the wings of a Bird. Their Stories are highly connected to the Food problem and how to solve it for everyone, Dany has that Issue but her solution only makes the situation worse, because she creates a working class that equals Slaves I am sure we both read the Books and we both know how that worked out. These People will most likely die because of exhaustion. Sansa witnesses how Baelish trades and stores lots of Food, to sell it for profit to Lords, Jon trades with the Bank of Braavos to pay with Furs for supplies for the Wall and the People in the gift.
    The Lion is for Death because only if Death happens in a natural and balanced way, Life can prevail, Death is a Part of Life, without it everything becomes unstable and collapses. This is the reason that Topic is really hard to pinpoint on only a few characters, but I think Dany is one of these people, her Character is lot connected to Lions although she is not a part of the Lannisters (the Family with the most known killed members aside from the Starks) she has a Coat made out of a Lions Fur, she has Visions of Lions, People warn her of a Lion, etc. and although she has a good reason to kill the Slavers, she also has no solution before she conquerors Slaver's Bay, to replace the economy and that results in more Death by starving and Sickness, so she is, unfortunately, the Person with the highest Death Count. Also, Arya, the Person who is connected the most to Death actually learns with the Faceless Men not only how to kill someone, but also that Death is something natural and should be taken seriously because it is something that can get out of Control and bring chaos and black despair to everyone. And Arya is highly connected to Cats and Lions. I also think that those who are the people who represent that Symbol will die at the End of the Story, to ensure that the Balance of Death is guaranteed. I don't like that idea, because Arya is one of my favourite characters in the Books, but I can see it happening that Way.
    The Head represents Knowledge, a lot of Knowledge got lost in the World of Westeros and it looks like a lot of Knowledge will be lost in the Future thanks to Euron attacking Oldtown and probably burning the Big Library in the Citadel. The People connected to Knowledge are actually not connected to any Head-Specific Symbolism but to Books and the Spirit. Sam and Tyrion are connected to Books and Bran is connected to the spirit. And Baelish is also someone who provides Knowledge is actually the only character who has a slight connection to a Head Symbol because his Family's actual Crest is the Head of the Titan of Bravos. I think this Symbol has actually a lot to do with the Second Symbol the Lion, because there is also the Theme of Teacher and Student in this Topic. Also, the People who provide Knowledge to the younger characters have a lot of descriptions which are Head-related.
    We have Aemon who teaches Sam, who has a big focus on his Head, because he is Blind. Baelish is a creep, paedophile and obsessed with Catelyn Stark, but also is a teacher to Sansa he has an original Family Crest of a Head with burning Eyes and we are constantly reminded that he has a nice Moustache, Bloodraven has a birthmark on his Face and lost an Eye, he is a teacher to Bran. Tyrion is not a teacher yet, but I think he will be one for Daenerys, he gives us the famous Quote about a Head needing Books like a Sword needs a grindstone, he has a lot of focus on his Head, with a lost Nose, two different coloured Eyes and a very characteristic Hair colour.
    All these figures are older than our Protagonists and therefore fit the Stereotype of a mentor figure and that Stereotype dies in most Tales so that the Student can overcome them and take the teachings a step further.
    But I also think that GRRM will use this Stereotype for ... let us say, wrong Teachings. For Example, Jon didn't take the advice of others and nearly Died (Comic-Rule, If you don't see a body, you don't have a death) atm we only know he was attacked, was seriously injured and lost Consciousness, which we also can say about Bran, he was attacked, was seriously injured and lost Consciousness. And we all know he is still alive, not walking but alive. I expect Jon to either lose an Eye or his ability to speak with his Mouth (just like Catelyn). Sansa, on the other hand, saw how Hunger has an impact on people and she knows how to talk and she probably will know where to find the Food that Baelish stores somewhere, so she will use the teachings of Baelish and reuse them differently and solve the Food-Problem, and Jons incapability of communication (metaphorically and literally)
    So what do you think about my theory? That the Dragons Head is not about people but about the things that will ensure the survival of Humanity?