Violence in the Bible with Prof John J. Collins of Yale Divinity School

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  • @asadullahsaaid3794
    @asadullahsaaid3794 Před 2 lety +71

    *Timestamps:*
    0:00 - Introduction
    0:15 - Background of the Guest
    0:33 - Topic of the discussion
    1:04 - Mentions of Violence in the Bible
    3:58 - Reasons for the presence of violent verses in the Bible
    8:45 - Reconciliation of biblical verses about the extermination of communities with modern ethics
    10:52 - Peace promoting Verses in the Bible
    11:59 - Jesus' 2nd coming being in line with the Divinely Sanctioned violence in the Bible
    15:19 - Jesus not being a Pacifist
    18:23 - Jesus using language of Self Violence
    21:16 - Biblical Ethics of Warfare
    23:52 - Amalekites' extermination narrative in the Bible being used to carry out violence today
    28:12 - Using the Bible to otherise & attack certain people in the modern times
    30:37 - God's Love being conditional in the Bible
    37:15 - Christian Dilemma of Jesus preaching peace while relying on God to carry out the violence
    40:21 - Clarifying the Paradoxical narratives in the "God-breathed" scripture
    42:13 - Guests' Lecture on Violence in the Bible & its History, Analysis & Impact
    47:24 - Closing Remarks & Wrapping Up
    SubhanAllah ❤️🤍❤️
    Very Informative Discussion 👍🏻👌🏻
    _May Allah ﷻ bless you and accept your efforts._ 🤲🏻

    • @asadullahsaaid3794
      @asadullahsaaid3794 Před 2 lety +6

      @Green Searcher وَإِيَّاكُمْ‎ أَخِي‎ ❤️

    • @BloggingTheology
      @BloggingTheology  Před 2 lety +9

      @Asadullah SAAiD Many thanks!

    • @falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
      @falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Před 2 lety +2

      5) Verdict : God is 1, Islam is true!
      Paul, the lawless false Prophet of Mathew 24 :11 & 12, wanted to remove the laws, Paul degraded God's forgiveness to create a polytheistic son (Acts 9, Hebrew 9 & Romans 10) against scripture (Isaiah 43 & Mathew 12 :7) to remove laws, inspired by the devil. A Perfect God needs no partners. Paul is corrected in salvation, sin & righteousness by the lawgiver & comforter Prophet Muhammad peace & blessings on him of john 1 :21 & 16 :8!
      Acts 9 :3 - he (Paul) was approaching Damascus, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.
      Luke 10 :18 - Jesus said, “I watched Satan fall from heaven like a flash of lightning.
      Mathew 24 :11 & many false prophets will arise & lead many astray.
      12 & because of the increase of lawlessness,
      Paul lost blessings for his tribe by removing the laws.
      Jeremiah 31 : 36 - If these statutes depart from before Me, An affirmation of Jehovah, Even Israelites doth cease From being a nation before Me all the days.
      Cruci-fiction (attempt) led to lawlessness.
      Mathew 21 :38 - tenants saw the son (Jesus), & said, ‘This heir; let us kill him & get his inheritance.’
      & 43 Therefore I say kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people of fruits of the kingdom. (law)
      Kingdom given to Ismael's tribe -
      Genesis 17 : 20 - As to Ishmael, I have heard thee; lo, I have blessed him, made him fruitful,...; 12 (Saudi?) princes & I have made him become a great nation;
      even paul went to Arabia, where Ismael dwelt 1st (Genesis 21 :21 - Paran) -
      Galatians 1 : 17 - nor did I go to Jerusalem to those who were already apostles before me, but I went away at once to Arabia,...
      Where the global Prophet, who paul thought he was - would come to correct him (IRONY), -
      *Isaiah 42 : 6 - Jehovah, did call thee in righteousness... I give thee for a covenant of a people, And a light of nations. ... 11 The wilderness & ... villages Kedar (Ismael's son) inhabits, Sing inhabitants of Sela, From the top of mountains they cry. (Mt. Selah is Medina)*
      Jesus says -
      Mathew 15 : 24 - “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
      *Jesus leaves his tribe for Islam on return:*
      Isiah 49 :1 - ... O peoples, from afar, Jehovah from the womb hath called me, ...
      *6. ... `It hath been a light thing That thou art to Me for a servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob,... I have given thee for a light of nations, - same term for Islam of Arabia in bible.*
      (& more)
      paul is the lawless false prophet, so covenant is given to the fruitful Ismael - the final Prophet lawgiver like Moses, to be forever as comforter is only Nabi Muhammad peace & blessings be upon him!
      Solomon songs 5 :16 - He is MUHAMMADIM - (name in Hebrew)
      John 16 : 8 - & when he comes, he will prove the world wrong on (original) sin, righteousness (law) & judgment (salvation):
      Quran
      6 : 162. *Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "Verily, my Salat (prayer), my sacrifice, my living, and my dying are for Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (creation).*
      163. *"He has no partner. And of this I have been commanded, and I am the first of the Muslims."*
      164. *Say: "Shall I seek a lord other than Allah, while He is the Lord of all things? No person earns any (sin) except against himself (only), and no bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another. Then unto your Lord is your return, so He will tell you that wherein you have been differing."*
      165. And it is He Who has made you generations coming after generations, replacing each other on the earth. And He has raised you in ranks, some above others that He may try you in that which He has bestowed on you. *Surely your Lord is Swift in retribution, and certainly He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.*

    • @RifatIslamXD
      @RifatIslamXD Před 2 lety +2

      Jzk

    • @justapointofview7625
      @justapointofview7625 Před 2 lety

      All Abrahamic religions are full of violence, no one escape from it. Sadly they know how to twist and justify them saying taken out of context, do not know the language they were written, they are parables or poetry, taken out of historical contexts

  • @MythVisionPodcast
    @MythVisionPodcast Před 2 lety +33

    Great scholar Paul, John J. Collins is a legend! I really enjoyed this episode.

    • @merlinx8703
      @merlinx8703 Před 2 lety +4

      surprising to see you here derek

    • @merlinx8703
      @merlinx8703 Před 2 lety

      czcams.com/video/VEGbGICJwBo/video.html
      this is also a good video in which Paul interviews John J Collins

  • @purveyorofproof
    @purveyorofproof Před 2 lety +32

    I appreciate the professor's intellectual honesty. Paul, I salute you for the amazing content your providing to the public. I truly enjoy the way you engage with your guests. it's very non confrontational and unassuming but incredibly incisive. I feel like I'm earning a graduate certificate in Theology and Religious philosophy by listening to your episodes. JazaAllah khair🙂

  • @ariyoabiona1606
    @ariyoabiona1606 Před 2 lety +32

    Subhanallah. Paul is a gift to the Ummah. May Allah bless you and protect you and grant jannatul firdaus. Ameen
    I listen to your discussions to learn even though I cannot even call myself a student of knowledge. Alhamdulillah for your efforts, people like me can learn a little more.

  • @TokyoDrifter352
    @TokyoDrifter352 Před 2 lety +36

    I have learnt so much from your discussions brother Paul, amazing person..a true believer. Peace be with you!🦩

  • @chuckhillier4153
    @chuckhillier4153 Před 2 lety +14

    Another very thought-provoking talk. I'm so very glad that I decided to subscribe. The profound contradiction is exposed. On one hand, if the Bible is to be used analogously, it shouldn't be used at all. On the other hand, analogously is how it must be used. Thank you.

  • @samboy90
    @samboy90 Před 2 lety +14

    Subhan Allah. Imagine saying "God doesn't have it all together?" These are the types of conclusions the Old Testament and the New Testament forces people to adopt.
    Alhamdulilah for Islam.

  • @nasirnasir3962
    @nasirnasir3962 Před 2 lety +10

    Thank you Paul for mentioning Palestine.

  • @rangorangila1306
    @rangorangila1306 Před 2 lety +17

    a sensitive subject and Paul conducted the discussion very smartly, at times got pretty tricky. Thank you very much for making us part of such discussions for free :)

  • @aneenanti123
    @aneenanti123 Před 2 lety +8

    Alhamdulilah. Brother Paul gives very good schooling about their bibles teachings to all Christians to understand what Jesus said and must follow. Christians only following their delusional church teaching. That why Jesus called them anti christ.

  • @shefayetchowdhury6316
    @shefayetchowdhury6316 Před 2 lety +13

    Brilliant 👍🏼 Love the Professor too for his very deep knowledge and insight.

  • @AnalyseThat
    @AnalyseThat Před 2 lety +2

    A great scholar and a wise man who sheds light on human impulses that have shaped the writings of the Bible & influence it's interpretation.

  • @ckotty
    @ckotty Před 2 lety +7

    Wow, first thanks to both of you. You've given me food for thought for at least a month. There are some perspectives I had never considered about "Biblical violence".👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
    👍🏽😘

  • @life2.0beginandwin67
    @life2.0beginandwin67 Před 2 lety +13

    I'm impressed by both gentlemens' libraries.
    I jusr have library wall paper. 😢

  • @yahyaelghandour9855
    @yahyaelghandour9855 Před 2 lety +4

    I love this man, oh Allah, and I ask you to bring us together in your mercy and pleasure within the blessed abode

  • @dustinellerbe4125
    @dustinellerbe4125 Před 2 lety +15

    Another great show, Paul!

    • @MythVisionPodcast
      @MythVisionPodcast Před 2 lety +2

      Oh snap, I think I know you 😏 😆

    • @dustinellerbe4125
      @dustinellerbe4125 Před 2 lety +2

      @@MythVisionPodcast 😂 yes you might! Haha. You and Paul bring on all of the greats in scholarship.

  • @husniolama8283
    @husniolama8283 Před 2 lety +4

    Thank you Mr. Williams. As usual, excellent hand-picked subjects, and scholars of deep knowledge. If I can judge, Prof. Collins is a high caliber one. Regrettably, he did the fatal mistake some religious scholars do: getting into politics. I feel sorry for them.

  • @ecai8362
    @ecai8362 Před 2 lety +14

    This was a much needed topic. Thank you uncle Paul 🙌💯

  • @thepathtopeace7833
    @thepathtopeace7833 Před 2 lety +7

    Stay strong brothers

  • @humbleness5864
    @humbleness5864 Před 2 lety +5

    Love this channel!!

  • @jageerdarjag3883
    @jageerdarjag3883 Před 2 lety +2

    I love his intros, radio voice

  • @bilmohammed5577
    @bilmohammed5577 Před 2 lety +1

    This gentleman should do audio books his voice would be very good for them.

  • @pappapiccolino9572
    @pappapiccolino9572 Před 2 lety +5

    The problem with saying that there are times when violence is justified, or that certain situations calls for violence, is a simple one : who decides, and on what basis ? Violence is a powerful and destructive force, and in my experience, judgment about when to apply violence is usually poor.

  • @anneeq008
    @anneeq008 Před 2 lety +14

    I really have no idea how Christians have the audacity to bring up this violence argument against the Qur'an and Islam in general.... It truly baffles me

    • @scout2469
      @scout2469 Před 2 lety

      If it baffles you, you don't know "human nature".

    • @johnbrzykcy3076
      @johnbrzykcy3076 Před 2 lety

      @@scout2469 I tend to agree with you because our "human nature" is so difficult to understand, especially regarding our propensity for violence and hate. That is what baffles me.... why is our human nature such? Because of evolution or the "original sin" of Adam and Eve? What do you think? Peace

    • @scout2469
      @scout2469 Před 2 lety

      @@johnbrzykcy3076 I believe that the book of Genesis is the word of God. Having said that it matters not in the study of anthropology or human nature, conclusions can be made that are quite depressing. At the heart of it is tribalism. If you are a believer in Genesis then you can see that when God scattered the people at the tower of Babel, He gave them all different languages etc. This seems strange from our point of view, one could easily see that if all the people were left in one place with one language it would be advantageous to mankind.
      But God in His wisdom apparently new that people would develop differently in diverse ways around the world, which causes many problems and many benefits. It's only in knowing the end results of this grand experiment that we will understand the why.... What say you?

    • @johnbrzykcy3076
      @johnbrzykcy3076 Před 2 lety

      @@scout2469 Yes I also believe Genesis is the "word of God" but I still struggle to understand what parts of it are literal and what parts represent some kind of analogy or myth. I like where you mentioned the "grand experiment". So you think that God gave us different languages as such a grand experiment? You may be correct.
      God bless

    • @scout2469
      @scout2469 Před 2 lety

      @@johnbrzykcy3076 I think God gave us the Torah [5 books of Moses] to give us instructions for our benefit. Are they literally true? Probably not, but stories can be great teachers, and these stories and lesson are so complex that I don't believe they were man made.
      I am not religious in any way, in fact I have shunned Christianity all my life. I think it makes God look like a capricious fool.
      However I have tried to find wisdom and I think the Jews were chosen to carry Gods instructions into the world, and find wisdom in that.

  • @summer5145
    @summer5145 Před 2 lety +7

    A long-overdue and relevant discussion. Great points and questions Paul. The professor makes a very valid point at 17:50.

  • @sumayyafatma3307
    @sumayyafatma3307 Před rokem +1

    Your work on great topic is great.

  • @aumyousefnasser9359
    @aumyousefnasser9359 Před 2 lety +8

    Mash Allah good job well done brother brother may Allah Increase your knowledge.

  • @Turnpainhopegain
    @Turnpainhopegain Před 2 lety +4

    Well presented. Thanks.

  • @afarhoose8512
    @afarhoose8512 Před 2 lety +5

    Thank y ou Paul for an excellent work.

  • @AdrianMuslim
    @AdrianMuslim Před 2 lety +3

    Very informative discussion.

  • @s3youtubevids156
    @s3youtubevids156 Před rokem

    This was very interesting indeed and the professor seems very genuine and knowledgeable. A great spirit to this discussion and I for one would be delighted to hear him again on BT inshAllah

  • @alifiamd9963
    @alifiamd9963 Před 2 lety +4

    Amazing content as always Brother Paul.. Jzk khayr
    This channel has an inspirational way of educating the Ummah *thumbs up*

  • @iswallbanoo9843
    @iswallbanoo9843 Před 2 lety +3

    Salaam only one God and it's Allah SWT love here from South Africa Johannesburg pray 5 times a day

  • @user-mp8mu5fe4f
    @user-mp8mu5fe4f Před 2 lety +5

    thanks you both < جزاك الله خيرا

  • @hassankassim8078
    @hassankassim8078 Před 2 lety

    This is one of the most important CZcams channels. You've created something special here Paul. Got me even more interested in reading about christianity instead of being more ignorant about it. May Allah bless you with the strength and years to do this really important work, may He keep you firm in your faith, and may He make you from the inheritors of jannatul firdaus. Allahumma Amiin.
    Your brother in Kenya.

  • @kausamsalam8543
    @kausamsalam8543 Před 2 lety +6

    “Jesus was not without zeal,” Subhanallah. (Peace be upon him).
    What a tough interview-May we all live in a conscientious society and world). Thank you for this tough/thoughtful discussion, Brothers. Ameen
    “The Amelekites we’re targeted for extermination.” (So true-and the contemporary application is indeed against the Benevolent, Merciful God Almighty).
    Quranic wisdom: Sura the Israelites: “Make not your hand tied like a miser’s…;Your Lord provides sustenance in abundance for whom He pleases..He provides in just measure; Do not kill your children for fear of want. We will provide sustenance..verily the killing of them is a great sin; nor come near to adultery, for it is a shameful deed and an evil, opening the road to other evils; Nor take life-which Allah has made SACRED-except for just cause; come not near to the orphan’s property except to improve it; Give full measure..weigh with a balance that is straight; and do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge; nor walk on the earth with insolence: for you cannot rend the earth asunder, nor reach the mountains in height.” Alhumdullilah

  • @richman8082
    @richman8082 Před 2 lety +11

    Important but not well known topic. Christians normally don't like to talk about it

  • @Kassalawy56789
    @Kassalawy56789 Před 10 měsíci

    Well done brother... Appreciate it ❤❤

  • @VAATAUSILI4139
    @VAATAUSILI4139 Před rokem

    Throughout the year's, some took books out the Bible, forged the Bible, & mistranslated the Bible. But, Bible is, the word of our ETERNAL PARENT'S.

  • @pappapiccolino9572
    @pappapiccolino9572 Před 2 lety +3

    It simply beggars belief that this externalization of evil is still with us - i.e that all evil resides in the other, and once we exterminate the other, then we can progress towards some kind of paradise. This is Tribalism 101. Until we recognize and deal with our own individual capacity for evil, we won't go anywhere. I cannot think of one episode in history where this kind of mass extermination of the other has achieved anything except more misery.

    • @johnbrzykcy3076
      @johnbrzykcy3076 Před 2 lety

      I really like when you said "Until we recognize and deal with our own individual capacity for evil, we won't go anywhere." I tend to agree with you and no matter what "religion" we follow, that "capacity for evil" seems to reside in us. I wonder why? Peace

  • @aaronbelakhoua5497
    @aaronbelakhoua5497 Před 2 lety +4

    A double whammy! What the heck Paul, insane

  • @2244khan
    @2244khan Před 2 lety +4

    Thank you Paul for another brilliant video. Can you please do a video with Shaykh Hamza Yusuf (formerly Mark Henson)? Zazak Allah Khair.

  • @andrewcohen786
    @andrewcohen786 Před 2 lety +10

    The guest said “There are some things we should have zero tolerance for… “.
    It’s yourGods book mate. There are no ifs and buts about it.
    Allhumdullah for Islam.

  • @winstonbarquez9538
    @winstonbarquez9538 Před měsícem

    Vengeance belongs to God.
    Our vocation is to love.

  • @pappapiccolino9572
    @pappapiccolino9572 Před 2 lety +2

    The worst things in the world are justified by belief.

  • @LS-uw5cc
    @LS-uw5cc Před 6 měsíci

    Please brother Paul, can you the interview this man again in light of what is happening in Gaza? Inshaa Allah

  • @andypendant4901
    @andypendant4901 Před rokem

    I'm glad you mentioned in the opening of the video that these events are not historical. These are very horrifying and inconsistent with the revelations. Qura'an supports responding to violence with violence, but the wording is more careful and humane rather than animalistic. Besides according to Hadith, none of the Prophets before Prophet Muhammad (may Allah grant them peace) was allowed to take the booty of war. They simply were commanded to burn the booty as an offering to God -- to Allah.

  • @MerVizsla
    @MerVizsla Před 2 lety +8

    Great job brother paul

  • @abdullahqasim1828
    @abdullahqasim1828 Před 2 lety +3

    This is excruciating. He's intellectually honest but something about his arguments feel spiritually empty.

  • @coolnizam111
    @coolnizam111 Před 2 lety +7

    Assalam walikum Paul, I would like you to put some light on the incident when Maryam a s (Mary) came to Jerusalem with a baby.
    In Jewish tradition if you has a child without marring that means she has committed adultery which will lead to death penalty as per Jewish law of that time, but why Jewish society didn't persecuted and prosecuted her??? What was the reason people believed to her claim that child was born to a virgin, what was the reason Jewish law didn't persecute her of adultery?? Because Quran claims in surah maryam that the baby spoke to people which might be the reason the people believed her.

    • @user-np3cp2cb7u
      @user-np3cp2cb7u Před 2 lety

      that was amazing question.
      in other hand though, if a newborn baby speaks just like how adults would, that would probably freaks people out. and that would definitely cleared up the reputation of the baby's mother.
      considering that the woman in question is a pious Jewish figure, the appearance of a talking baby with her means the only explanation for her situation was that she was either made pregnant by higher being, or... that she was a rap3 victim of an evil entity.
      whatever it was, it couldn't be adultery where both parties did the deed willingly.

    • @coolnizam111
      @coolnizam111 Před 2 lety +1

      @@user-np3cp2cb7u Yes bro there is very much meaning in every word of Allah, We have to understand the significance of the words Allah spoke. If recreate the scenario of the incident as per surah mariam and compare with historical facts , we will find that quran has the answer to what Bible don't.

    • @Creatifine
      @Creatifine Před 2 lety +1

      what a fairy tales of koran.

    • @coolnizam111
      @coolnizam111 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Creatifine Fortunately it's true which you call as a "tale"

    • @user-kj8yl6sn2z
      @user-kj8yl6sn2z Před 2 lety +1

      I asked Paul to host Sheikh Hassan Somali to explain the entire story of Jesus and Mary from birth to death because Christians do not know his story in the Qur’an and Sunnah
      Jesus spoke as a newborn infant, and the divine miracle happened, so the Jews had no choice but to accept that Mary was a virgin
      But the Jews historically did not accept the message of the prophets pbuh, but rather killed some of the prophets pbuh

  • @extraordinary.verses
    @extraordinary.verses Před 2 lety +1

    thanks

  • @j81153m
    @j81153m Před 2 lety

    Tough Luv 😇 Henderson
    People have problems with truth must live a lie right

  • @hassanmirza2392
    @hassanmirza2392 Před 2 měsíci

    Paul, when will you talk about violence and immoral things in Hadith and Fiqh books.

  • @extraordinary.verses
    @extraordinary.verses Před 2 lety +2

    Jesus 'the kill or embrace Christianity' prophecy in John 16.08. “And when he comes, he will convict or convince the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of day of judgement.” (John 16.8 Van Dyke)

    • @johnbrzykcy3076
      @johnbrzykcy3076 Před 2 lety

      I disagree. I don't see Jesus as encouraging or commanding any "kill or embrace Christianity..."

    • @Asiyah2000
      @Asiyah2000 Před 2 lety

      @@johnbrzykcy3076 then you disagree with your bible 🤷‍♀️

  • @zainiabdullah621
    @zainiabdullah621 Před 2 lety +3

    It is Judaism as in the bible Genesis 1: 27 that says: 'G-D created man in His own image'.
    This in its simplicity laid the foundation for Christianity's making G-D
    in the image of a man. Isn't that not evil?
    A man-G-D is a pagan and Hellenistic concept of the godhead.

  • @j81153m
    @j81153m Před 2 lety +1

    Realize also that non believers use the same understanding but pervert it for themselves
    That’s the devil in the garden, that’s the devil doctrine
    That’s been going on since the fall

  • @j81153m
    @j81153m Před 2 lety +1

    Because of the mark simply

  • @asjahan7748
    @asjahan7748 Před 2 lety +4

    I have a request, call it a suggestion. could you ( with a appropriate guest) explore the history of the tribes of israel and the region, after the death of king Soloman PBUH. I read it once 10 years ago joining all the dots together. i was shocked. majority of people dont know it , hardly discuss it. Most think Jews are isrealites. Jews are mostly Judians. Please Explore The split between judaians and other tribes of israel ( i.e. juda and actual leftover Kingdom israel, which is refered to as the northern kingdom by Jew/judaians writers, the kingdom of the lost tribes before they were 'lost', ). King solomon's son charactor (jewish writers refered to him as a imbecile , despot, womaniser, 20wives 60 concubines, his qoute that if my father whipped you, i will have you bitten by scopians, to the tribal chiefs. ) . wars between kingdom of Juda and Northern kingdom ( kingdom of israel). Alliance between juda and assyrian superpower. idols of baal (assyrian god) being installed in the jerusalem temple by the then Judaian king ( with his assyrian wife). Kingdom of Israel with kingdom of Damascus threatening kingdom of Juda. Assyrians then attacking and wipping out Kingdom of Israel and kingdom of Damascus, saving Juda. Assyrians walking off the enslaved survivers to other parts of their empire. Assyrian then exterminating the Phistine on the other side of Juda. finally the babylonian uprising againt ther assyrians rulers and overthrow etc ........ i have only heard people just speak on specific events never explore the full picture.

  • @AamirSiddiquiCR7
    @AamirSiddiquiCR7 Před 2 lety +1

    Can anyone please tell me where can I get ALL arguments against Islam and answers to them .. all in one website/pdf/ CZcams playlist

    • @mohamudahmed6554
      @mohamudahmed6554 Před 2 lety

      Islamic awareness has good content and answering christianity refutes everything "answering islam" website brings. Try these both

    • @arasen6843
      @arasen6843 Před 2 lety

      @X 10 Lol, David Wood , He says Quran copied from Infancy Gospel. It was translated to Arabic much later. There were no texts in Mecca where the prophet could have copied. No such texts has been found. You can only make assumptions, Period. Nothing else.

  • @lost_is_history8224
    @lost_is_history8224 Před 2 lety +1

    nice

  • @hVF8KZuQPeCc8u
    @hVF8KZuQPeCc8u Před 2 lety +1

    I very much admire John Collins, owning a lot of his books. However, I think he sometimes waffles about biblical violence in this interview. I personally am a non-consistent follower of non-violence. I do support Ukraine in its revolt against the military might of Russia. But military defense should be the absolute last resort for countries violently assaulted by superior forces. We must do everything possible to avert such bloodshed. I did come out of this admiring the interviewer and will subscribe to see what he has to offer. Bottom line, the issue for me is the character of God. A god who can commission genocide(s), even thousands of years ago, remains problematic to me. How could a God of love act like that, violently ravaging little babies and infants? Going back to ancient history doesn't change that.

  • @rsza5911
    @rsza5911 Před 2 lety +3

    20.30.....Reza Aslan

  • @javed1275
    @javed1275 Před 2 lety +2

    And all they are saying is that Islam is not peaceful religion.

  • @minecraftstation6422
    @minecraftstation6422 Před 2 lety +1

    Hey

  • @MnM_CuteCatClips
    @MnM_CuteCatClips Před 2 lety +3

    A knowledgeable fool with his eyes wide shut, with his heart cemented and with his intellect in complete denial of the ultimate truth.
    Truly Allah grant His guidance to whom He wills or He keeps him lost in the maze of insisting ignorance.
    May Allah guide us all. Aameen.

  • @saliksayyar9793
    @saliksayyar9793 Před 2 lety +1

    Conflating the Ukrainian conflict with extermination or genocide is rubbish

  • @OmarAhmadMD
    @OmarAhmadMD Před rokem

    please see the divinity of christ is what the christians rest their religion on otherwise they would be similar to islam with a similar law structure and though other issues exist as well such as the son of god issue and vicarious atonement but it is calling jesus god that draws them away from us in islam and here i will discuss some of the teachings of christ that negates that concept they have in the christian faith so that you may be sure that jesus himself never claimed divinity and his teachings in the gospels are that he believed in the one true god yahweh there
    please see john 17 where he negates he is god and addresses his creator with the words ‘only true god’ and this verse should be enough but in luke and matthews he tells the devil that one should worship the one god and it is clear that he made it clear to his follower that he was not divine and it is only innuendo and conjecture you take when you say he is god to you who is jesus while if you are a true follower of him you will not say these words and if he performed miracles he performed them through the permission of yahweh as the quran says and it is not unusual for a prophet to perform them and prophet muhammad and moses had their share of miracles and their followers do not call them god or worship them
    please see jesus was a jew and would pray the shema yisrael several times a day and that was his creed and it is obvious a fallacy you do when you say that he believed in himself as divine
    please see in the council of nicaea they called jesus as the same substance as his father and they called him son but these are the teachings of paul on you and he who is jesus negated that when he said in the gospel of john to the jews that you say ‘thou blasphemest’ while i am sanctified and that is what a son of god is as it was blasphemy to them to call himself son of god in the begotten sense he thereby indicated that his works were those of a prophet
    please see also he referred to himself repeatedly as son of man or bar enosh indicating that the son of god was a simple human and he had an earthly father and son of god is a well known metaphor for them for prophet of him who is yahweh so there you have it he was not guilty of blasphemy according to allah in the quran and he stands vindicated by him and the words of the quran do say that he was a witness over them while he was with them but after allah caused him to die then he was a watcher over them
    please see nearly all christians say that you cannot understand trinity as that the son and the holy spirit and the father is one god but they say in the next life you will be able to comprehend that concept but this is conjecture they say and they only say it because it is incomprehensible here and the quran and the tanakh are easy to understand that there is one god and he taught men who were prophets to reform mankind and teach him about himself that he is one god and that they must serve and worship him alone
    please know jesus did that and as the quran says he was not guilty of saying he was god along with him who is the father and you must realize that jesus and the spirit had a separate conscious mind from the father so how can you say all three are one god and if it does not enter your comprehension now it is implausible that it is true and will be comprehensible at a future date and there is much conjecture in christianity currently as they seek to aggrandize him who is jesus to them and call him divine while he was simply a man who had all the characteristics of a man and you just say he is god while he never said it
    please see the other argument used in the council of nicaea was that jesus said he and the father were one but as i have shown you in my literature he used such tropes or metaphors extensively in his literature and it only signified he was one with him in intent and action as can be seen from the preceding verses and it is conjecture to say he is god along with him who is yahweh and that was not his meaning as can be seen from luke 4 and john 17 and there let the matter rest he made it clear he was not divine and his followers are reprimanded by our creator and promised hellfire if they say so as the quran tells us as that is the punishment in the quran for those who associate in partnership to allah and he is a jealous god and does not allow that as the old testament tells you
    please see the christians seek to dismiss the quran as a book of revelation from their creator as they have no answer for the categorical statements in it about one god with no partner to him and the denouncement of trinity in it so they say it is not from their god and they have no leg to stand on with the quran so they deny it and say it is the devils work but the quran simply validates the message of the tanakh and it is one message and the christians cant deny their own bible so they are in a quandary with these books and they should accept the message of the quran now as it validates their own book in the form of the old testament and not say of him who is jesus christ to them that he is divine while he never said so himself about his mission and purpose there and for the early christians the ebionites and nazarenes there he was simply prophet and christ to them and they were closer to him than later christianity that emerged from pauls teaching to them and in closing i will say that jesus never said worship me or take me to be god and if you say it the sin is upon you and you will see consequences in your next life after you die
    omar
    John 17:3
    “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”
    Luke 4
    6 And the devil said unto him “All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
    7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.”
    8 And Jesus answered and said unto him “Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”
    Deuteronomy 6
    4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
    5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
    Al-Maida
    5:116 And when Allah will say: O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah? He will say: Glory be to Thee! it was not for me to say what I had no right to (say). If I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. Surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen.
    5:117 I said to them naught save as Thou didst command me: Serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord; and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die Thou wast the Watcher over them. And Thou art Witness of all things.
    Excerpt From
    Holy Quran
    Maulana Muhammad Ali

  • @NasirAhmedApu
    @NasirAhmedApu Před 2 lety +1

    Very interesting program.
    “ kill and get killed - that is in the Torah, the gospel and in The Qur’an . “ - The Qur’an.
    But hard for me to digest the paradoxical hand written part of the former books and exercise of that will not originate anything for sure except shedding of blood and damages only.
    “ Feeble indeed alike are the seeker and the sought !
    They measure not God with His true measure ;
    Surely God is All - strong, All- mighty .”
    The Qur’an- 22 : 72-73

    • @samantarmaxammadsaciid5156
      @samantarmaxammadsaciid5156 Před 2 lety +1

      The Tawraat, The Injiil and The Qur’aan are kalaamu-LLaahi! Simply “Kill and get killed” not part of kalaamu-LLaahi! If you say it is, show me by giving the Suurat and the Aayat in the Qur’aan! However, from beginning to end the Bibles, each and all, and the Aḥaadiiṯ have nothing to do with Prophets of Allaah and from there nothing to do with Allaah, they are collected hearsays that were written down by lost Men-Gods! In other words, the bibles and Aḥaadiiṯ are utter humanity! Not comparable at all!
      22:72-73 Only confirm YOU yourself YOUR IDENTITY as THE FEEBLE, didn’t create yourself and certainly couldn’t create a fly - weak body and weak mind = the seeker and that which you sought after = you are what you seek = you are weak and you seek weakness, Human intellect seeks humanity as the greatest, just like Šayṭaan!

  • @asifbrettishmaelmakki9

    16:30 minutes.
    violence from Jesus at the temple,could it have been God the Father's violence and Jesus is innocent?
    Jesus & God the Father are one,the teaching is.
    EZEKIEL 14:14 even if these three men,Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they would deliver but their own lives by their righteousness, days the Lord GOD.
    EZEKIEL 14:21 "For thus says the Lord GOD: How much more when I send upon Jerusalem my four sore acts of judgement, sword, famine, evil beasts, and pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast!
    EZEKIEL 14:22 Yet, if there should be left in it any survivors to lead out sons and daughters, when they come forth to you, and you see their ways and their doings, you will be consoled for the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem,for all that I have brought upon it.

  • @roshanaanas1974
    @roshanaanas1974 Před rokem

    Masjid Harram is located in promise land that means in Jerusalem not in Saudi Arabia where Ibrahim house is our real pilgrimage place for all nation

  • @rafaellucky8377
    @rafaellucky8377 Před 2 lety +2

    Strange how you are afraid to loose. When you take islam as a subject you call most renounced islamic scholars. But when you have to prove your agenda in christianity. There is no one you have who belongs to christian theological background.

    • @wowmyworldy74
      @wowmyworldy74 Před 2 lety +3

      I am totally disagree with your observation. He has various Christian Theologians as guest for example Revd Prof Keith Ward, Prof David Thomas, Prof Dale Martin and Prof John Barton. So please don't accuse someone without checking the fact.

    • @rafaellucky8377
      @rafaellucky8377 Před 2 lety

      @@wowmyworldy74 the strange thing is i never heard about them. As the professors are not debators and these are not doctors as you might know dr william lane craig and dr david wood. They have an acedemic background of what they are representing among their audience.

    • @wowmyworldy74
      @wowmyworldy74 Před 2 lety +1

      @@rafaellucky8377 of course it is strange cause you don't go to Oxford nor Cambridge or Yale, You go to David Wood the anti Islam apologist.

    • @rafaellucky8377
      @rafaellucky8377 Před 2 lety

      @@wowmyworldy74 I also talked about Dr William lane Craig and David has degree in Islam. So they have the academic background of learning. But being a professor isn't some sort of degree. And if someone speaks the truth about Islam then what is your problem. Doesn't islamic preachers train people to take innocent lives in the name of Allah in islamic nations.

    • @wowmyworldy74
      @wowmyworldy74 Před 2 lety

      @@rafaellucky8377 well there you go, as expected of an anti Islam apologist. If you learn from listening to falsehood then you will be one. Why don't you read the Quran and make your own opinion of it. And if you are keen, learn also all other religious texts. It just might make you a better person.

  • @VAATAUSILI4139
    @VAATAUSILI4139 Před rokem

    Bible has been corrupted. But, not whole Bible. GOD the Eternal FATHER & GODDESS the Eternal MOTHER, know this, to be true.

  • @Creatifine
    @Creatifine Před 2 lety +3

    islam is self defeating theology.

    • @arnoldlagu6873
      @arnoldlagu6873 Před 2 lety +2

      Self defeating theology? I dont think so

    • @khamarulghazali7275
      @khamarulghazali7275 Před 2 lety +1

      With that profile pic i suggest that you stay of the net🤣🤣

    • @arnoldlagu6873
      @arnoldlagu6873 Před 2 lety

      @@etzelkaplan9677 it must be 65 percent?

    • @hikmah_bersama2049
      @hikmah_bersama2049 Před 2 lety +2

      @@arnoldlagu6873
      he meant.. Christianity. When you switch on your brain understanding trinity, you will be insane.. So better you switch your brain off.

    • @arnoldlagu6873
      @arnoldlagu6873 Před 2 lety

      @@hikmah_bersama2049 lol