Lazy Critique Epidemic: Goblin Slayer "Too Edgy"
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- čas přidán 14. 10. 2018
- Goblin Slayer has been THE topic this past week, instead of doing a video pointing out stupidity, though that's there. I decided to use it as a chance to talk about a few topics that are important to me.
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The virgin Pedantic Romantic vs The chad MonroeShow
There's an irony to that
I've really noticed that Goblin Slayer has been telephone game'd really hard just to fit this whole "too edgy" narrative. For example:
What actually happened in its rape scene?
A girl got her clothes ripped off literally in about 2 frames, a goblin grabbed her ass in 1 frame, we saw a wide shot of the scene for 1 frame, then we got about 10 frames of just her broken, dead eyed stare.
What are people saying happened?
Her clothes were very sexually and provocatively removed. The rape was very detailed and drawn out. It sexualized rape to make it more appealing. It was treated as if it was just a way to pander to fetishists.
In reality, the entire scene was extremely quick, no more than a few seconds, and all anyone saw for any degree of time was just the pain in her face which made it look completely tragic. Examine really any scene people are complaining about from Goblin Slayer and you'll see its been telephoned to shit and their descriptions can't even come close to whats really going on.
But I guess it gives you a good idea on what kind of fantasies those who claim that this scene was erotic have.
I'm offended that people thought GS episode 1 was edgy. Back in my day, edge meant something.
But yeah, this is another case of 'people who were never actually consumers of the thing blowing the thing way out of proportion and misunderstanding it because they never actually watched/played/read the thing'. Stop selling other people things I wasn't gonna buy!
Literally everyone who is complaining has never seen berserk 1997 or even one remotely dark anime. Literally the anime community has went soft and forgotten how dark anime could be.
what you said is exactly what happened with mass effect when it came out, the media made a huge deal about the "sex scenes", which they described as very graphic and detailed and showing all the private parts, basically calling it porn. it's all exaggeration to get their articles to be noticed.
Actually it felt like the goblin was looking at me while doing that to her and you know thinking "You're next" which was scary. My boyfriend didn't find it sexy and he actually does like the show even if this particular scene was a bit disturbing. Unfortunately there are people who get off on people getting raped.......as for me I like this series and I've read the light novels so I'm going to continue with it.....I also Berserk too. So.....meh.
When Pedantic Romantic started equating goblins to Jewish stereotypes, I can't lie, as a Jewish person I started to get triggered. My thought was, "is that how Goblin Slayer feels about Jews, Romantic, or is that how you feel about them?"
When SJWs said the orcs from Lord of the Ring are racist to black people. Kek.
@@gorgefood9867 I also that WotC removed the negative to the intelligence stat for Orcs in DnD 5e because it was apparently "racist" and they somehow compared them to black people. Which in of itself is kind of racist when you think about it.
@@punic4045 These people are racist. They're just not the typical "I hate all X people" racists in the past. They're the "O, sorry you were born X. Here's free money" racists.
Reminds me of "ORKS ARE BLACK PPL"
I actually think the goblin slayers line after killing the goblins says a lot more than people give it credit for "The only good goblin is one that stays in it's hole". Goblins need human women to breed they're inherently going to rape to survive they're prone to violence so even if they were left in their hole they're a risk and the Slayer understands this better than anyone it makes it as black and white as possible.
Not only Human Woman >.> every Humanoid Femfale is enough , Elfs , Dwarfs , Lizardman and so on
@@Tamipriest thanks good shout
oooh buddy the Titan thing is not black and white anymore.
Or also his line with cow girl
"Hows work"
"There is a lot"
"Oh, then that is nice, doesnt it?"
"No, thats bad, that means more goblins"
That exchange shows how GS thinks, he is obsessed with killing them but not in them, in novel he also says some deep stuff, he is asked why he continues killing goblins all the time and he says "its because there wasnt anyone when it happened to me", he is out there to protect others, he is bad at expressing himself but he knows what has to be done, and his point is to avoid that from happening to other people, the man has a speck of humanity deep in himself even in all the swirling madness that goblins produce
We can’t do anything-we can do nothing! This makes no sense. We are the ones who steal; they are the ones who are stolen from.
This? This makes me no different from the others.
Adventurers burst into my nest and take what is mine-that makes me nothing but…nothing but a goblin!
“GOURRR…”
The goblin paladin, much more intelligent than any of his comrades, could tell that everything was over. With things as they were, the surviving goblins could hardly be expected to continue to obey him.
Goblins had a strong sense of camaraderie, but what bound them together was greed. They killed those they hated, raped them, stole from them, humiliated them in the most awful ways. What else would a goblin do?
-Goblin Paladin Monologue after Goblin Slayer's party raid his fortress and rescue kidnapped women.
I wish people would understand that calling something edgy is no more of criticism than calling something gay or cringy
The Evan Finally someone fucking said it.
It is literally the equivalent of saying "this show is dark and I don't like that"
Zombie thread I know, but no words have meaning for a reason, edgy is used to describe something that is dark or pretends to be for no good reason or that is the only defining trait of something/someone, in media it's often used to describe situations that rely purely on shock value. For example to me Berserk is not edgy but the novel on Grunbeld (a character of the series) is edgyness incarnate.
Goblin Slayer is ableist since the Goblins are clearly meant to represent manlets
Sizelets need to know there place. Bellow and under the tall.
Goblins are incels confirmed
This
How
That's not true. Goblins are shown to learn things, however crude, throughout the course of the series, like boat rowing or using armor.
Manlets still have never learned.
Just like Griffith, Goblin Slayer did nothing wrong
TheSMonroeShow A Digimon becoming a pokemon trainer is surreal like a Digimon training a whole Pokemon team
TheSMonroeShow guts does not approve of this clearly one sided propaganda
There are a few issues that led to the current situation the first was cruchyroll droping the ball hard and marking goblin slayer as TV-PG which mislead quite a few viewers into thinking this was some isekai shennagins, secondly as others have brought up rape feels like a lazy trope tool to induce hate for goblins relying on shock factor to justify GS killing all the goblins, in the manga we see the back stories of these otherwise nobodys like fighter growing up and learning techniques from her father and wizard earing her staff making us care about them.
Episode 2 showed us backstory into GS himself and where is hatred comes from that could have also been good to explain his motivations while also better introducing the setting.
@K Melesh
1. That is specifically crs fault and the backlash should be solely on them. That changes nothing about the criticism to the content.
2. Rape exists. To make this argument that it's being used poorly is to say any form of violence is the same. Again I made a point to not say it's high brow, rape is a horrible act and it shows how disgusting these creatures are, it's a way to show this as well as other violent acts they commit. This isn't a deep piece of work, again it's like a b-movie and that's perfectly fine. I'm not even sure I'd argue it isn't cheap, but I just don't think thats bad, its portrayed well.
3. That backstory is very minimal. We just simply learn things like how that staff was important to the mage girl. It makes the scene when it snaps more hurtful but these were always intended to be random nobodies. It doesn't change the context of the scene, it's the same in both and does not change any argument.
I think the addition in the manga is nice since it makes the scene even worse but it isn't necessary. Is it really that hard to empathize with someone who isn't special?
TheSMonroeShow you damn right preach!
"but that's on you, not the show"
Exactly. If only more people would think about what they are feeling and try to understand it. These days so many people are just like "ow that hurts go away". >.
When it should be "ow that hurts i should go away".
there is a huge difference between rape fantasy and actual rape. Some people get off with rape fantasy and from what I heard even women, but real rape is an atrocious act and GS depicted rape as it should.
I've read a youtube commenter saying "she made a ahegao face while being raped, it's a fetish" I was like "WTF, did you see the same scene as I did?"
so yeah those comments do say things about the person watching instead of the show.
@@JohnDoe-ug3su what does GS mean?
Goblin Slayer
@@Marquez2077 Goblin Slayer = GS (acronym)
also like the doom slayer or guts, goblin slayer really satisfies that itch for seeing evil and repugnant creatures also FEARING a hunter of all things evil, it's just so satisfying watching demons or goblins get the jason voorhees treatment by a badass
Yeah, it sucks that people have to then decide that goblins are actually a representation of minorities or some shit.
LordVader1094 Which says more about them than it does GS. If Goblins really are an offensive caricature of minority’s, then why exactly are they the most common starting monster in MMOs and RPGs?
yeah, it all comes to the prehistoric instincts of humanity not being on the top of food chain being prayed upon by tigers and bears and the pure satisfaction ancient hunters had protecting their tribe eliminating such threats and slowly but surely ensuring that humanity prevails and tribe survives.
WelshFool then you will probably love Solomon Kane and The Shadow as well
@@michaelkeha a razorfist fan right? :p
Ha! This is what they call "edgy". Goblins are one of many monsters known for rape in any media with a dark setting.
Can you give any examples? Not saying it's not true, but I've only seen that in hentai
@@zeratulrus142 Mostly from underrated manga like Re:Monster and, yes, a few hentai I've seen. The mangas aren't as rapey, though.
D&D campaings also represent goblins as rapists.
Orcs too.
@@Darkvega2k7 yeah
People are offended because Goblins are almost exclusively NPCs in video games, never playable characters, so it makes sense that other NPC's would project themselves onto them
have you never played World of Warcraft...
underrated comment
The low key savagery on display here is majestic.
Orcs are a type of Goblin...
OH, I am stealing this idea.
"Sometimes you're just in the mood for McDonalds"
Shit, that's the realest thing I've heard in any video talking about Goblin Slayer in the past week. Props for this video m8, great stuff.
Crunchyroll's irresponsible incompetence is partly to blame for the controversy. The subbed a seinen dark fantasy, AND THEN LABELED IT "TV-PG". That's why people who really should not have seen this anime, ended up watching the first episode. I've grown intrested in this show (ironically because of the controversy despite skipping over it at first), and even I'll admit that little kids should not be watching this, just like how someone who is to young shouldn't play doom despite how awesome the game is.
Wait they rated it TV-PG, IDK US tv ratings but It should be TV-M fucking A. Isn't language a massive factor when it comes to rating shows?
Language, Blood, Sexual Contact, and body disfiguration are the main factors that determine if something gets rated R (where they need to confirm is someone is either 17/18), also if something is violent but doesn't have blood, sex, or etc... it should be rated PG-13 by the US standards. Regardless of your opinion of the show, it was negligent of Crunchyroll to not give Goblin Slayer a more mature rating.
AD C I am familiar with the MPAA ratings used in cinemas, but not the TV ratings eg: TV-MA, TV-14, TV-PG
I think they rated it PG because Japan do the same thing.
*YEAH, IT'S RATED PG13 IN JAPAN. DAMN, THOSE PEOPLE ARE HARDCORE*
@@cestalia if I recall right they're actually more squeamish when it comes to blood and violence in Japan then in the west, but not as overly sensitive with lewd content because Japan wasn't really exposed to Christianity until after the world wars (and one of the criticisms of Christianity is that it overly stimatizes sexuality to the point it ingrained into Western cultures).
lol I love how people are looking waaay too deep into a story about a man who just wants to kill goblins.
it's not what it looks like Lol, GS would probably react to this entire controversy this way. ‘Is that a goblin? No? Then give me some goblins.
Nothing wrong in looking deep into the story - "killing goblins" is just the premise, the fun part starts when one tries to pin down the substance...
General consensus is that "GS is a medieval 'Doom'"; I, for one, would argue that "GS is a medieval 'Drive'" - title character _is_ a real hero, afterall.
Baz Otchich implies that doom slayer y slayin the doom
I don't get it... Is this a meme thing? I haven't finished this video yet but I'm starting to wonder based on the comments if "killing goblins" isn't just some kind of squirrely code for gratuitous rape.
@Michael Jazz I don't watch shit normie anime so uh, yeah.
I blame CrunchyRoll for it's garbo advertising.
I am very appreciative when a show actually tackles the subject. Especially when they do it as well as Goblin Slayer did. It's pretty common to... tease, for lack of a better word, the idea that the hero/heroine might get abused like that, but they never do and it cheapens the topic at large because of it. Then you go to Goblin Slayer which actually does it, and then it's portrayed appropriately terrifying and damaging.
The whole Goblin Slayer controvery really highlighted the problem with these bigger pretensious anime reviewers. it really seems like they're gate keeping the community and forcing their preferences on the entire community.
one in question is TB Skyne, who also got push back from his GS ep 1 review. (he has a hard bias against Slime datta for some reason Too)
Because Isekai is the popular thing to bash, hell some of the criticisms i have seen of GS is that it is Isekai-esque even though it isnt actually isekai.
@@ArCSelkie37 Because they are idiots.
@@ArCSelkie37 The first episode was literally mocking isekai tropes.
@@sleepyguy4237 I know, that part of my point. Everyone just labels anything written in a fantasy/rpg style as Isekai, same way as everyone uses the term edgy to describe something dark. Both being equally wrong.
@ArCSelkie37 Honestly tho, how is GS NOT an isekai? Isn't isekai the setting of traversing to alternate world, commonly to the one with game-like systems?
Edit: I'm dumb, I misremembered the show
I watched the first episode and after the whole moaning and complaining, I must say that it was much milder and tame than I expected it to be. I think most people complaining haven't seen any anime that came out before 2012, as there are MUCH more violent and depressing shows that made me feel worse and shocked me more (Bokurano, Elfen Lied, Higurashi, Fate; Zero, hell even some parts of HxH etc)
They didn't even show their naked bodies, the gore and blood was very minimal, it felt almost like a shonen when it came to the downgraded violence, so I have no fucking clue why these people are complaining.
because this is a pussy generation and we need pussy slayers on edge
SpeedWeedon press X to pay respect to the puppy
its because the show, in trying to deconstruct the tropes of a high fantasy anime, tricked them into thinking it was more lighthearted, only to go 'lol nope' and shatter their preconcieved notions.
Crunchyroll fucking up with the rating didn't help.
Imagine the 1997 berserk show released today.
Nothing can ever be just fine or just okay anymore. Everyone just screams that something is either the worst piece of garbage ever or an untouchable masterpiece that will change the world for all time. Then, as a side effect, all media just starts to creep into the middle and nothing genuinely outstanding is ever made. I see this in every form of art and media today and it's agonizing!!!
Shut up
Nah.
Make me.
I had a problem with it because it was labeled as pg and had this cute cover and then I saw the rape scene that made me have a ptsd episode.
To me that is an issue because people like me avoid that media for a reason. Not saying you can't make media with it but this happened because there was no warning on crunchyroll about it.
Not saying it is bad, but I bet you this wouldn't have happened if crunchyroll didn't label it Pg and waited a week to fix it.
True, but thats an issue woth Crunchyroll not Goblin slayer itself. Most complaints i see are trashing the anime itself for having the content, rather than Crunchyroll doing literally 0 research into the stuff they have on their site.
+lakamokolaka
That has nothing at all to do with my original comment. Why don't you just copy and paste this reply as a normal comment so that others can see it. (Sorry that this sounds so dickish. I just can't think of a nicer way to say it.)
I've seen people call realistic bytral of depression, "edgy" cause they don't understand how miserable being depressed is
Orchid Snow-Crystal then that would mean those people are edgy
Orchid Snow-Crystal edgy
I’m clinically depressed and I know how miserable it is I only said this because to beat the other fuck heads of the internet
Can you tell me the definition of edgy?
an edge is what you form when you raise your ass and keep your head in the sand...
Orchid Snow-Crystal if live gives you lemons make lemonade and then serve it to the lemons parents when the moment is right NYAHAHAHAHA
Psycho-Pass had rape. Cross Ange had rape. Berserk had rape. Valverave had rape. Mirai Nikki had rape. But when it comes to goblins, they cry "RAPE REEEEEEEE!" Also, does anyone remember the days when "edgy" meant trying too hard to be dark and cool that it becomes laughable? Now people throw that word around just because there's gore and sexual content.
Glad someone else can see the truth
Truth.
Freezing has femdom rape and so does blood +
@@qjtvaddict glad someone else gets it
thats cuz its ok for humans to rape humans, but other species are a big no no
It's not even edgy enough, I mean the rape wasn't even good.
MrZacdeath damn bro chill, so you only cared about the rape not the story? Because I read the manga and I was more interested about the story and the whole deal of these adventure system.
Who wants to tell him?
Wooosh
@@haijin7484 r/wooosh
@@haijin7484 If you want an explanation, he was just quoting what digibro said in a video.
"I think you should be able to befriend demons in DOOM. I wish you could have a romantic queer sidequest with the Cyberdemon - but these things shouldn't be tokenized. #NotAllDemons"
- A verified peson, probably
The large amount of anime "analyst" CZcams's who exposed themselves by making emotionally biased reviews about Goblin Slayer is astounding.
Thank you! I completely agree. Especially about shows being edgy. So many people write something off because they think it’s edgy. It’s like “It’S EdGy sO iT mUSt bE BAd!” This mindset is pretty annoying.
Those people would never make it with 2012 anime.
Me: who here wants a Doom anime?
Also me: *remembers doom movie*
I found it interesting that so few people pretty much batted no eyelash at the horrifying death of the warrior/party leader.
People are overreacting about Goblin Slayer ? They are not ready for the best animu character, *Rance-sama* ...
Rance already got an anime, which for a 4 episode hentai, was pretty lame and boring.
Rance is a good animu.
*My opinions are facts.*
Hayato StarGod h e h
World Domination via Rape...?
That's pretty Boring...
Everybody in history did that already...
Jonathan Jasper Reyes so is that freecities anime series?
Just wait till meatshields lmao
theres no fucking way they can censor that
they can try tho LUL
@@abelesperanz4196 and theyll probably end off the season with that
Oh I had forgotten about that cause I'm so far ahead but now I remember and you got me all giddy
To be fair though, don't they end up saving a couple of those?
@@ethanalspencer7294 they save all of them.
@@ethanalspencer7294 they saved all of them via Silence and Stupor combo on the goblins holding the Shields.
10 minutes of goblin slaying
5 second of rape
Whats this show about?
Rape.))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
This anime be Slaying the Pussies within our midsts...
slaying is not the same that having an story that's why is edgy, and my god isn't even that rare
O look, someone who is not an idiot making good points and putting none critics down. Thank you just thank you you, as a critic myself i hate watching people do shit like this so i makes me feel like this community is still worth defending when i find people like you so once more THANK YOU.
5:44 "if beserk came out in this day and age" only if you knew how right you were 4 years ago
I remember my friend recommending me the manga when it first came out, then apologizing almost immediately because of the rape scenes. I said it was ok because I still loved the story and the rape was to solidify the fact the goblins are evil and why Goblin Slayer wants them all dead.
Fast forward and the anime gets announced, I'm excited thinking about my favorite moments from the manga coming to life. Watched the first episode, thought "looks like they kept everything in, although some censoring took place, not that I blame them." Not too long after, while watching random CZcams, realized people were defending Goblin Slayer, which confused me because the first episode was pretty good. Then it hit me... "Oh yea, women were raped in it."
>doing research
You ask for too much
After all the "muh rapes" I checked out Goblin Slayer to see what everyone was getting pissy about, and now I'm an active reader. Hysteria works!
Really appreciate that you always come with a well thought out take.
Have you seen the prices at McD's recently? There is nothing cheap about it.
Meanwhile I’m still laughing hard about how that longsword fighter rolled a natural one and then got stabbed to death by the goblins. I’m so going to use this in my campaigns against my friend once the chance arrives.
*A RANDOM GROUP OF GOBLINS SHOWED UP DESPITE YOU ALL ARE FIGHTING SHARKFOLKS*
So i found you because of this video, and after watching a few of your videos.
Thank you for being a shiney person with a chill tone, that you make statements then explain why withouth shouting and trying to jam it down our throats.
It honestly feels like when id talk to my last GF about the same things and us never feeling the need to make a big deal outta things that dont need to.
So again; Thank you for being yourself ^^
-Appreciator of All Things Shiney and Adorable
You come off as sane and reasoned. Thank you!
The word 'edgy' has been thrown around so much that it's become a meaningless pretend insult to anything with even slightly dark themes.
Don't take anyone who says something is too 'edgy' to be any good too seriously, it is lazy and uninspired. I read the light novel and the manga and I thoroughly enjoyed both.
Later on they introduce the character Sword Maiden. She's one of the strongest people in this world, and has even saved the world by helping to kill a demon lord. But then you learn that a single mistake early on in her adventuring career left her horrifically scarred, both physically and mentally.
She was knocked out and dragged to a goblin nest, where they did to her what they do to every woman they get their hands on.
Because of this she is terrified of goblins and cannot face them, forcing her to hire Goblin Slayer and his party to exterminate the goblins infesting the sewers of her city.
And here I thought I was going to have the best video on Goblin Slayer easily.... Now it finally looks like I got real competition for once.
Such humility 🙄😂
THAT VIDEO STILL NOT OUT... YET
Weird flex but ok
I like how on the thumbnail your chracter is wearing proper armor unlike the rookie group in episode 1
Hot Damn, you took the words straight out of my mouth when it comes to Goblin Slayer
Also i want those "Get Smoked" and "Fatal Cutie" caps
While i'm not fan of goblin slayer, I can say with convidence that this entire controversy is dumb and brought questions that were already answered long time ago, Anime is part of art, it can potryal anything the creators want regardless if it comes off as tastless in the viewers eyes and it's still up to disscution whatever or not that scene was well implemented or not, honestly it leaves me baffled to the point where ask this people *have they just started watching anime like yesterday?*
my issues with goblin slayer extends further then just "rape scene" but after reading the manga up to date i have accepted it for trying to do, *Being crazy stupid over the top Goblin busting sqaud* it sometimes tries to sprinkle some themes but they're hardly explored and thats probably for the best, Good Vid overall
Berserk begins as a dark fantasy from the first second
Doom begins as ultraviolent from the first second
Goblin Slayer is marked as "all ages" by Crunchyroll and half the episode fools you to think it's a silly adventure
It's edgy!
Why do you mention isekai? Goblin Slayer is not that.
Living proof that crunchyroll doesn't watch the shows they give age ratings to
@@OldJawBurst isekai isnt the "going to another world thing"? If its that I still understand why it got mixed witht the rpg thing (since most isekai do that) but its not the correct term
" Goblin Slayer is marked as "all ages" by Crunchyroll"
That's because they are incompetent losers, Snob.
Goblin slayer isn't edgy. That's like saying Madoka is a fluffy magical girl show. Goblin Slayer is a standard adventure LN/Manga/Anime that starts off with a dark example to establish exactly how vile goblins are and, in spite of this, how they're underestimated by everyone. This plays in later since because they're usually underestimated many adventurers either don't bother taking jobs killing them, or end up dead (or worse) because they underestimated them like the throwaway party in the first couple of chapters. After that's been established, which it has, the series shifts into a more standard fantasy flavor. This includes a good-natured lizardman, a dwarf and elf that are close and bicker constantly, and many jokes and outright comedic moments.
On top of that Goblin Slayer itself is the story of a man who had to experience the absolute cruelty of goblins firsthand, grew up under a not-hobbit's merciless training, to become a single minded goblin-killing machine. Also it's the story of, through interaction with his newfound party, he is very-slowly regaining some of the humanity he had to put aside in favor of becoming the Goblin Slayer you see in the first episode.
@JawBurst Isekai means "another world" and is a genre wherein someone, usually the main character(s), are transported or otherwise find themselves in *another world*. Examples include Digimon Season 1, Escaflowne, and Log Horizon. Goblin slayer is not an isekai since every character exists within that world and has done so for the entirety of the series timeline. There's some hints later that the "Gods" of the world play it like a D&D-like tabletop game but that's not isekai.
Pretty much sums up how i feel about the situation perfectly. i love all your vids btw!
My big problem with Goblin Slayer isn't that it's edgy, it's that it does the cardinal sin of story writing in my opinion: Blowing your load in the first episode (pun fully intended). Basically, series to me are based on escalation. A hero gets more heroic or a hero climbs the totem pole of more and more evil villains till he reaches the prime evil and then murders it in extremely violent ways. Goblin Slayer basically made these goblins the worst villains the series can have by having them do one of, if not the worst thing a person can do to another in the first fucking episode. Why should I care about the next villain? What, is the next villain going to rape babies? Rape puppies? Rape babies with puppies?
If a show were to start off with the hero winning the conflict, there would be no point in watching the show and if the first minor villain in the first episode is already arguably the most evil thing they can come up with and the hero kills it, why should I stay invested?
People want to see a villain get more and more evil so that we'll have that payoff when that villain finally kicks the bucket. Goblin Slayer basically started off with the money shot and now it expects us to give a fuck about foreplay.
What makes Pedantic Romantic’s recent apology video so dumb, and makes the original even worse, is that she’s blaming the CZcams algorithm for her video being bad and not for her dumb mindset in regards to the series.
Pedantic is a girl?
Yea the youtube algorithm didn't make all of her terrible arguments for her, If it was just the title being clickbaity she wouldn't have gotten NEARLY the amount of backlash that she did.
It just shows that she has no conviction to her own points and just wanted to do damage control by trying to push the blame on some other entity.
Also @Olga
yea she's transgender I believe.
As someone who didn't really care for episode 1 of GS, I really hate the conversation around Goblin Slayer's edginess and whatnot because it's created an environment where it's really difficult to criticise it without being lumped into differing sides. Every time this sort of thing happens to a piece of media it just feels like the majority of the people pick sides based on the people they follow on twitter's reactions to it, rather than actual quality. I'm not saying there's no good criticism to be found, but it dilutes the discussion for those who are interested in a genuine discussion about GS as a show/manga. I'm also not trying to imply that both "sides" are doing this in equal measures, because the anti-GS crowd is clearly way more upset about- and mostly responsible for- the dumb discussion.
I also have a problem with how you make one of arguments in your video. I don't entirely disagree, I just have an issue with the way you argued it:
I'm not sure what the point was with your connection to A Clockwork Orange. I don't really see the point in countering them with the argument that "rape should be depicted as unbearable" because their issue with it is that it's being depicted *at all*, not how graphic it is. It just seems condescending because it isn't even relevant to their complaint. I also don't think there's much of a comparison to be made with A Clockwork Orange at all, since many will argue that there is a line to be drawn depending on the goal of the piece of work. A Clockwork Orange is much easier to construe as trying to make some sort of point or send a message, whereas you said yourself that you view Goblin Slayer as "cheap instant satisfaction", and compare it to McDonalds. What I'm saying is; some people don't think anal-beads should be found in happy meals.
yes very eloquent and true, you should be a youtuber!
sounds gay
Except what you define as complex enough of a point or a massage to be able to use the rape which in itself is subjective goblin slayer point is to show the evil he has to face and why its worng for the world to ignore it simply because it dosen't give them enough fame or glory
that is such an obvious point it doesn't need to be made, you could argue that every single show which portrays the struggle between good and evil has that exact same theme - if that is the theme that the mangaka wrote the story around then it further proves the simplicity of the show
The reason they showed Clockwork Orange is because they already covered how "their issue with it is that it's being depicted at all" is a no different than censorship of media, and they were trying to show a piece of media that the public thinks handled rape well and how it parallels with how GS handled rape. Whether the point is valid I don't know, I haven't seen either pieces of media.
Rant on Anti-GS crowd:
From someone who is pretty neutral in this situation, I find the anti-GS crowd to be pretty vapid. The main counter I see from them is "berserk handled rape way better, because we actually see the consequences due to the victims being key characters". Oh yeah?
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who are these memorable key characters again? I've even seen people say it's different because "the trolls are drawn better, so its ok"... Granted this is anecdotal.
There are plenty of things in Berserk that are used simply for "cheap world building purposes". Rape is just one of them.
But if we we're to compare art quality, the art in the first arc of berserk is nothing outstanding. It takes a bit of time before we get to the standard of art we hold berserk at now. I'd even go as far as to say the quality of GS art trumps Berserk's first 2 volumes, but that's personal opinion.
TL;DR: Don't use anything in Berserk as a counter to GS, it makes you look hypocritical and ignorant.
In my opinion, Goblin Slayer should be celebrated for going out of its way to depict rape as something absolutely horrendous; something so horrible that you would be sinking to the level of a DND trash mob by raping someone. It’s depicted as inhumane by making inhuman entities proponents of it, and that should be admired and applauded. The whole point of that scene is to establish WHY goblins are an issue, and WHY Goblin Slayer needs to exist. Hell, in the manga, at one point he legitimately comforts someone who was a victim of goblin rape and helps her to sleep better at night by promising to protect her from the little bastards, even in her dreams, because he is Goblin Slayer.
Also, it depicts how people react to it well; the victims are traumatized. That fighter? She quit adventuring and went home after that, a shell of her former self? The lady GS comforted? She kept going but is still tormented by the memories of what happened over a decade ago. The victims aren’t perfectly okay after it’s over; they’re broken and traumatized and afflicted by the horror of what happened. It makes you legitimately pity and feel sorry for the victims and root for the Slayer all the more every time he puts a goblin to the sword.
There are definitely things to criticize about the anime; the story feels a tad rushed, some exposition is left out, and the backstory flashbacks for each of the three adventurers that get their shit rocked in chapter 1 is cut. The animation is merely decent and lacks any real flair. But its depiction and demonization of rape is not among those.
You deserve a lot more subs and views. Keep doing what you're doing.
Bold choice to not show the rape scene but let Aqua and Bread go at it in the background. Can't believe you let her get away with that. Guess it's like daughter, like papa
Reminds me a lot of the scene with Mitty in MiA. It’s suppose to shock you. It’s suppose to make you hate bonedude. Without that scene or hell even the scene with riko; the audience is just gonna think the show is some kids adventure and not an actual situation that can end with the characters who happen to be kids; dying in horrible ways.
Basically if you got a show that makes you hate monsters (just cause it’s ugly and has a big nose doesn’t make it Jewish) and what better way then to show a horrible act to drive home that the time for talk is over and the red mist is actually pretty once you just let it go and commence full “rip and tear” mode.
This was very well done, thank you for for such a civil and thoughtful video. I was thinking along the same lines of many of the criticisms. "If you believe that x is representing that... That sounds more like something is wrong with how you think, not the show."
Like, the biggest issue is that like....it's lazy. It is. Berserk implements a lot of it's more offensive material into the actual character arcs and give it the just due context it deserves. In Goblin Slayer, it just feels like a cheap way to justify the protagonist's actions and to add shock. Remember, these aren't true stories, so it's the writer providing this context, not the characters. Having the characters justify problematic material tends to be a cop out, which trivializes the issue. With Berserk, it's less "let's this rape happen for shock context" and more "this is a pivotal aspect of the character and it allows for a discussion on the effects rape has on its victims" rather than just a cheap way to justify a dude killing rapists. (I mean, it also makes it boring if he's basically just a glorified pest exterminator)
And the reason this IS the case and not so justified is that other characters mention experience points, confirming that THIS IS A VIDEO GAME. Like, having player characters in a video game be rapeable and horribly maimed and killed just feels like someone took an isekai and just made it super edgy. That, and the fact that the 2nd episode has this really flagrant fanservice breasty girl for most of it just really kills the suspension of disbelief and whatever topics the show may have been trying to address. (tbh, fan service ruins a lot of good shows that suffer from the tonal dissonance. Honestly, I think a show that does Goblin Slayer's concept better is Grimgar (which unfortunately also falls prey to fanservice grinding the show to a halt). In that, goblins are creatures trying to survive, and do put up very HARD fights against rookies, and it feels more real than "raping, maiming machines we shouldn't feel sorry for". The concept works WITHOUT the raping and maiming, so putting it in is why people call it edgy. They took Grimgar and said "let's add some rape and murder for shock value" but then tried to play it off like a serious work rather than the grindhousey trash it comes off as.
About time someone call out the Digibro fanboy
You mean Pedantic (the author of the video showed) or Mother's Shill (who did the tweets)?
Because they both dickride on Pedobro...
@Anguila Hombre No clue about PR, but Digibro and Mother's Basement are not friends, unless something radically changed since I last checked. I remember Digibro laughing with his friends about how he went out of his way to be a massive dick to MB at some con or another.
I'm pretty sure is far from being a McDonald's. Beyond the violence and rape scenes (that are actually relevant to the plot), we are dealing here with a guy with PTSD who's totally not dealing well with his traumas. You can go to Goblin Slayer: Year One to actually know in depth more about the character, who trained him (who is actually a big plot mystery), and the people around him, who care about him, but are unable to reach the man beneath the armor. The armor actually plays a big part on the characterization. He only take of his armor to sleep in his house, to repair it, when he is gravly injured, and one time when someone told him that wanted to see his face.
So, not the Goblins, the violence, or the edgyness, is the man who cannot leave the armor, the focal point of the story. It's actually a drama, not just a goblin-slasher anime. A drama about a guy who where encased in an armor, in an neverending crusade against the goblins, and the people he met that want to make a little difference in his life, to share the burden and the pain he is obviuoly bearing, and to slowly take him out to a better life. The most important parts of this sotry are precisly the parts that resolve around this topics. The Goblin slaying thing is just the vehicule to told the story.
Exactly. The elf girl wants to take him on an "adventure," but GS doesn't understand that concept. His world is fueled by goblin slaying, because that's all he knows. It's an outlet. It's therapeutic. He won't ever be able to live a normal life until he deals with the trauma from his childhood.
Oh my god finally someine gets it.
I've been annoyed with people writing off gs as a fun gore anime.
At its heart gs is a recovery story.
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Nd a well told one at that
Good video and some nice insight that helped me think through how I feel about the show after episode 1. Subbed!
I don't really mind what happened in the 1st episode mainly due to the fact that I was raised on watching and playing dark disturbing horror movies, shows, and video games as a little kid and did I come out alright yes probably somewhere along line of normal I would say and I also know that rape scene would happen seeing how I read little bit of the manga and in a little bit now of the light novel which have it but haven't gotten chance to read it yet.
I'm sorry for my terrible spelling, grammar, and lack of punctuation if there is any which there is.
God, why are you so right all the time?
Hey Monroe, who draws the avis for the thumbnails? They look super cute so I'd like to follow them.
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@@yosh0wnd thanks!!!
You can find a link to all of my artists in the "about" section on my channel. This was done by scorsheep/Scorci (:
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@@DimitriMonroe oh I totally forgot the "about" section was a thing. Sorry to bother you
No problem! I think most people do lol
No one cared who I was, until I put on the mask. - Goblin Slayer
Gotta love this mainstream drama in the anime community
Psycho pass had a rape scene just as bad in literally the first episode too and I don’t remember anyone freaking out, am I forgetting something?
Goblin Slayer was frequently compared to Berserk by it's fanbase and sense it's seinen, that usually comes with the expectation of being decently written, and Goblin Slayer just isn't. Goblin Slayer is a mess of a story, and really doesn't have anything outside of looking cool and having good fights. The reason the rape gets so much focus is probably because it's really the most substance Goblin Slayer actually has, whereas Psychopass has great characters, an interesting world, and a good story all of which are pretty evident by the end of the first episode that the rape scene can easily be glossed over. The rape scene is also followed by other scenes that would stand out more in a viewers memory, such as said rapist getting turned into paste by a dominator and Akane shooting Kogami with her dominator. Also at the time of Psychopass' release anime wasn't flooded by social justice warriors trying to get brownie points from their Twitter friends by complaining whenever something gets too sexualized on screen.
Dont like it? dont watch it then
Great video, I really enjoyed your review on goblin slayer. I really don't enjoy commenting on youtube but..
So many people have been taking GS way too seriously. The manga starts off dark but as the story progresses it turns into a fantasy adventure story with harem elements. The story itself is self-aware of what it is. In a particular chapter Goblin Slayer slays an orc because only because his team convinces him that the orc is just a really big buff goblin.
Goblin slayer itself is heavily based off of fantasy table top rp games (dungeons and dragons for example). In the manga, itself only goblin slayer is given a name. Other character's are referred to as their title ex: elf ranger, lizard priest, dwarf shaman, and priestess.
And some quotes from the manga:
"The gods of light and order and destiny... Vied with the gods of darkness and chaos and chance... To see who would control the world. They waged this struggle with dice."
"Your ultimate fate... Your final doom.. Is always just a roll of a dice away."
But yes, great video! I'm definitely going to check out more of your content!
Listening to your voice is very therapeutic. Keep it up!
Makes me laugh that mothers basement didnt even research the material before he even made his comment.
Wolfie Kohaku My Guess is that he decided to judge the anime on its own merits which granted isn’t bad but it can easily remove context and explanations so judging shows on their own merits when they have a manga or a light novel isn’t exactly the best thing to do
You always manage to express my opinions about stuff very eloquently. Keep up the good work Mon also I love your hair in this vid.
I feel the exact same way. Couldn't say it better myself
Goblin slayer even said they would leave the holes just to walk around
And do the same thing and even become guards for other goblin homes.
The message of the show is 'people can just gloss over obvious problems since solving them doesn't benefit them', and people COMPLETELY GLOSS OVER THAT MESSAGE
I'm not one to bash ones who are uncomfortable with rape scenes or other dark themes in shows. I totally understand why some people aren't ok with it. But some people need to understand that they shouldn't use those feelings to call the show trash. Look goblin slayer has obvious issues but if your excuse for calling it bad just because it has dark themes, then you'd also have to bash berserk, hunter x hunter, jojo's bizzare adventure, ect.
Fanart of mon getting GOBBED when?
*looks at rule34*
but I can't be bred!
@@DimitriMonroe We'll have to see about that!
Not with that attitude!
What's the music that is playing in your credits??
It's the music used at the end of the King K. Rool trailer for Smash Bros Ultimate
Yay! Looking forward to the teased video.
Been watching Keijo recently and that anime is the perfect Mcdonalds, though I say its more like Five Guys
Still think it was boring
Exactly. It took forever until the obvious fodder finally died.
TIL that forever is half-way through the first episode
@@jonahdewitt2158 Using measured time when forever clearly references experienced time, which is subjective, and the usage is hyperbolic. Gotta applaud you for that stroke of genius.
Great video! Keep up the good work!
This is definitely one of the best commentary on this topic, on par with the Lowart video. Very reasonable and have a very sound arguments.
Again really nice video, i was waiting for it since you mentioned wanting to talk about it on stream, i watched a video talking about how the shots were sexy and other stuff like that but in the classic taking something out of context of the whole, it's still a crying woman who was beaten up while the warrior is being dismembered, it's clear the point was not to make you feel aroused. It's actually funny how the people talking about being aroused where the ones who didn't like it while no one who wanted to watch it metioned it.
Another good point is how violence is okay here in west, so a killing machine with no emotions like Doom guy is okay but putting the human element on it makes people freak out (what is supossed to be the idea), Goblin Slayer himself is a fucked up dude, he still has something human on him but his mind don't want glory or hapiness, only killing goblins.
To sum it up: I like my dark fantasies of sturdy guys with edge killing things
Send in doom guy
Cleanse the goblin scum
For the God emperor
Burn the xenos
( mixing every cool thing)
i'm new to this anime stuff but i notice a trend, anime enthusiasts watch everything, they don't consider the genre of the show and think "maybe that's not for me"
I keep seeing Goblin Slayer fans complaining about people being offended but the moment anyone say anything negative about the show they become by far the easily offended fanbase I've ever seen.
A lot of them get angry rightly so considering the person who most of them have are talking about has called them alt right racists. If someone called you a racist without you being a racist I'd reckon you'd be annoyed.
@@kickhoppa5891 I've seen hundreds of them attacking people for saying they thought Goblin Slayer was either boring or had really ugly CG and for saying it seemed poorly written, all of which are valid.
As for your racist example, that's just taking a video out of context to support a non-existing narrative.
@JamRock Bless
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So this how someone with a cognitive disorder views the world, eh?
You misrepresent things, create straw man arguments the attack those arguments.
I have seen plenty of reviews where someone said 'well I don't think the animation is good' or 'the dialogue isn't good' without saying anything too bad about *that scene* and still was still heavily attacked by mindless Goblin Slayer fans for daring to question the quality of the show. Little to no mention of the assault scene and zero demonization of the fans yet still hundreds of butt hurt Goblin Slayer fanboys crying that someone didn't like their show.
I've even seen a ton of people calling Digibro a SJW Snowflake NPC (insert buzzwords here,) despite saying "the rape wasn't even that good" in his video.
Also in REALITY even people like the Pedantic Romantic and Mother's Basement who have made questionable claims about the show have also said you're *not* automatically a terrible person for liking the show and never said anything about the fans being rape apologist.
If you're so mad over someone misattributing the fan base as all being something, then you shouldn't misattribute a group as making a claim that only like one person actually said.
Tl;dr you complain about straw man arguments yet your arguments are straw man arguments.
RayOfTruth I’m pretty sure that that’s a vocal minority since the fans I’ve come across on CZcams and Discord have been pretty civil about this, and for those critiques, I didn’t notice the CG initially but maybe that’s why the animation was so stiff at points, boring? Well admittedly it does start slow and making it a flashback was a mistake since the audience would automatically know how it ends and it’ll be a foot tapping wait. As for being poorly written......well I wouldn’t say that it’s objectively bad. Objectively it ranges from okay to good to great at points but those moments come from later on in the series admittedly.
@@anonymoususer8818 it's not objectively good or bad because objectivity doesn't exist in art, and it's all just personal preference.
Feminists: Goblin Slayer is too edgy! It has a rape scene and gratuitous violence towards women! Therefore its trash and needs to be banned from existence!
Berserk: U wot m8? Goblin Slayer, hold my beer.
Everytime I see that footage of Digi talk about Goblin Slayer I think to myself "Put on a fucking shirt."
Great video! This whole Goblin Slayer controversy is overblown, this show is definitely not for everyone, but many of the people critiqueing it seem to be not seeing what episode one was trying to do and just called it a piece of edge.
My only gripe with some people is that they know about the rape scene or the reputation of Goblin Slayer but still decide to watch it and complain. Like if you know what it is about and you don't like it then why did you decide to tune in? That sound like you want to be butthurt in the first place.
Good vídeo Mon and i whole it agree with the fact that nothing should be out the realm of fiction in the same way that nothing should be out the theme of comedy
mauro banegas It's almost like their only satisfaction in life is being offended.
@@violajackson6885 That sounds just as much like the Goblin Slayer fanbase.
RayOfTruth How so?
@@violajackson6885 they actively look for videos that critize the show so that they can be offended and yell at someone for thinking their show is boring and looks like garbage with it's poor use of CG.
RayOfTruth So? Every fanbase of any anime has those few people that do that, and 9 times out of 10 they're trolls.
It's not too edgy is just just edgy and nothing else. Reading the manga was fun but I honestly don't think I'll be rereading it because there was nothing special about it
agree
Isn't that his main point? Lol
Unseasoned weebs full of soy would think this is bad
Watch rikan club or for that matter any hentai under the rape catalog and see which one's worse!
@@totallynotdawson9695 you ever written something without even thinking? Pretty much what I just did.
its one of the best mangas right now if you are really fan of manga
i really needed to watch this after watching goblin slayer thank u for easing my mind
came for over the top violence left with a really well done character study last few episodes made me cry lol GS is just such a well written and tragic character its about a man and how he handles his trauma and idk how so many people didnt really pick up on that but eh everyone takes away something different
I remember saying the other day that Goblin Slayer was "edgy trash," and I felt like my judgment was too harsh and hypocritical. Earlier this year, I was watching Magical Girl Site and sorta enjoyed it despite it being edgy trash. I guess it's because the magical girl genre has a special place in my heart unlike the isekai genre. There's really nothing in Goblin Slayer that I haven't seen done before and far more graphically (Perfect Blue had two rape scenes in one movie).
I just want to point out that Goblin Slayer isn't an isekai. Unless I just misunderstood you. But fair enough I suppose. Haha.
I looked up the definition of "isekai" and it seems you are right. My mistake.
Perfect Blue tied it to it's narrative and themes masterfully, Goblin Slayer uses it as a lazy kick the dog trope.
@@RayOfTruth I'm going by the graphicness of the scenes rather than their execution. Perfect Blue did it better, but I think it was also a lot more graphic, which is why I believe my dissing on Goblin Slayer for its rape scene is hypocritical. Criticizing Goblin Slayer's execution of its rape scene would also make me a hypocrite since I enjoyed equally exploitative material in the past (e.g. Magical Girl Site).
Magical girl site is way edgier than goblin Slayer. But it does a wonderful job of not being edgy just for the sake of bring edgy.
This is easily the best video in regards to the Goblin Slayer outrage I have seen. Calmly looking at the show for what it is and calling people out for the BS they are saying. You perfectly captured my thoughts to all of this
What's the music in the beginning? It sounds like Persona, but Idk.
Catherine OST - Lamb Game between Man and Woman
Thank you!!
I love your use of the "Catherine" soundtrack. I love it.
Honestly my only potential gripes about the series are firstly lazy naming examples including: Guild girl, Cow Girl, etc. The second of my issues are the fact that in spite of the fact that goblins are literally considered as nothing more than pests in need of controlling some of the silver ranked adventurers who MUST have some where along the line encountered goblins are shocked by the cruel way goblin slayer deals with them even though they should be more than aware that the goblins themselves are completely irredeemable. Furthermore, its even more unbelievable for said silver ranked adventurers being shocked by the way which the goblins treat the women they capture ex: raping them and/or using them as meat shields.
Some arguments in opposition for my claim on the silver adventurers not knowing about goblins being that goblin slayer is a specialist on goblins and so he logically would know more about said goblins, however that doesnt account for the fact that it seems highly implausible that a majority of these adventurers who are so highly ranked have virtually no experience dealing with said goblins.
Other than these gripes, id say that the characters for the most part are fleshed out well enough and even though the plot itself isnt the most complex it handles itself decently.
>goblins are routinely destroying entire villages
>guild and every adventurer considers them a low threat
There'a a lot that doesn't make sense with the GS universe.
@Valoe7 i feel that within the context of the universe it might be logical to assume that those in charge of the guild itself actually does acknowledge the threat of letting goblins go undisturbed but they simply cant compensate the adventurers properly to go take care of them especially with how fast the goblins reproduce, leaving issues of the guild not being able to incentivize adventurers to do pest control when they could go do literally anything else for more profit
@@gxgycf8348 there's a number of things the guild can do. They can raise awarness on how dangerous goblins can be, train beginners on some basics and goblins, or raise the rank needed to accept goblin quests.
If stories about rape and TPK are common why does the guild allow people sre barely starting out to accept such quests? Having a high mortality rate can't be good for business.
In the beginning when the first party takes on the goblin quest Guild Girl gives them NO warning, and just beats around the bush yet she knows what commonly happens??
I haven't watched Goblin Slayer yet so I could be off base, but I get the impression that the world is essentially the physical manifestation of an MMO or one big D&D session. I mean, the Priestess is literally handed a 5th Edition character sheet when applying for adventuring in the manga.
While I don't play D&D, my experience in MMOs has taught me that many players don't really pay much attention to lore, considering it window dressing behind the leveling and grinding for that sweet, sweet loot in the endgame. This is the reason why high level adventurers tend to look down on goblin quests in this world despite the danger the creatures pose to civilians, aka NPCs. The characters in Goblin Slayer are shocked at the goblins' behavior because they skimmed past the dialogue too quickly and they either haven't faced them in battle or they quickly leveled past them. The adventurers in the first episode are newbies tackling their first instance, but their inexperience and overconfidence leads to a team wipe. The Goblin Slayer himself is either a higher level player who loves RP'ing or an NPC everyone loves so much that the DM feels obligated to keep him around.
@neverhoodian Sureee we could just take the assumption that all the characters are just real life people playing an rpg and as such thats why they have unrealistic personalities and are so inept, but to me first of all that'd be an excuse for lazy writing and secondly if that were the truth then that would honestly degrade the value of the story as a whole for me, seeing as instead of being this gritty and harsh but atleast fleshed out world its an inept dm's story with plot holes with players acting out the characters explaining the unrealistic way they act. At that point it might as well just be another isekai
It's my fav trap
That's not the problem for me. The problem is on how they execute it without a proper building up and a shocking suspense, it didn't really surprised me but rather disappointed me. I have no problems with the dark gritty theme, same for many TV series case in point you can look at the red wedding from game of thrones and how it was building up to an event that would take many by surprised. Same for berserk, there was a build up to those moments. GS does not have those build ups or rather a very short and forgettable note. Giving the satisfaction of seeing the antagonist demise because you stayed connected to some of the characters would even make this series even better, giving the characters mini arcs before the climax while fighting much lower class monster or a lone goblin idk it seemed like I never felt bad for any of the characters. It's just a sudden turn of event it could have waited for at least 4 episodes before kicking off to something drastic. I love seeing things get fucked up and I don't complain about things being to edgy unless it's done poorly to the point for the whole premise lacking because of it. Yes it is too edgy.
Thank you for helping spread good word about this story. Goblin Slayer is a lot of fun, and as a fan of dark fantasy its a shame this anime was cherry picked for a slew of ignorant, mindless lashback when other anime of its genre are completely ignored. Because the demon horse rape in Berserk is better, right?
It was just a lazy "kick the dog" trope.
People comparing it to Berserk don't actually understand the themes or any of Berserk's depth.
No one is saying GS has the depth of berserk. A comparison does not mean it's a DIRECT comparison, it just means that there is something similar between them even if it's not of the same level. Both properties are dark and have gruesome things in them such as rape.
For example, the only time I mentioned beserk at all was to specifically mention another property with rape, and immediately followed it up by saying it's nowhere near beserks nuance.
@@DimitriMonroe you didn't make a direct comparison, but I have seen dozens of fans who have.
My mistake, I thought you were including me in that. Otherwise I would of agreed, they really aren't comparable at that level. GS is closer to a revenge plot B-movie
berserk, darksouls, doom fans are just gonna bully new anime that has a similar theme? people compare them to those show to make it easy to understand what GS is all about. are you an anime for or just fan of one series?
@@jjrobledo I'm a fan of anime that I feel are well made, but I'm not going to praise bad anime just because they are anime.
Plus saying people giving fair criticism is "bullying" is pretty funny, and I wouldn't expect anything less from the Goblin Slayer fanbase.