What Pokemon Should Learn From Digimon
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Last time I asked what your favorite pokemon was, so whats your favorite Digimon? I've always liked terriermon because he's fluffy.
Neodevimon because he looks so cool😍
Gargomon because fluffy and guns
TheSMonroeShow The one that goes, "Pepper Breath."
(I didn't grow up with Digimon. I only know it from a friend)
Betamon, that badass mohawk
I don't remember the name but it was the second season. The leaf ninja dude.
The best thing to happen to Digimon was that Pokemon became more successful. Because Pokemon has become so successful with Digimon's original target audience, the creators and rights holders realized that they needed to go in a different direction. Hence the darker, more adult tone and direction of many of the later series and games.
holy shit, you're right.
my mind just got blown today
No, it's because the virtual pets craze died out and after that they couldn't market towards young kids.
+Boltscrap Digimon only started as a virtual pet. Its a full on franchise now, a franchise that didn't really take off till the anime became a hit. They didn't need the virtual pet to market to young kids (the same way Pokemon doesn't need a virtual pet at all). Both foreigners and native Japanese would be more familiar with one of the other incarnations of Digimon (the anime, the video games, the trading card game, etc.) than the original virtual pets upon which the franchise is based.
Or maybe they decided it on their own? I mean, even early on there were notable differences between the two. And Tamers was the way it was due to ita director.
That said, stuff like Appmon or Xros Wars are still for a younger audience, while Tri and Cyber Sleuth are for the older ones.
The best thing about Digimon is it doesn't have Verlisify
Why does everyone hate Verlisify? Serious question.
He's little bitch i hate Verlisify
LMAOOOO
Siddhar in the first place he’s a disgusting furry. Probably wacks off to the same Pokémon he’s always ranting about.
But also he’s a horrible person who turns against every single poketuber he talks to eventually. Degenerate and black-hearted in every way.
Well it seems every fanbase has at least one such individual.
Digimon deserves more love :(
Yeah, I really love the designs for just about everything in that world.
And less unecessary hate from the poketards
Honestly they make pokemon fans look bad
So that the irrational part of the fanbase can preach?
Agree!
Yeah at Least TAMERS because that one was really Good.
The other seasons are good too (Miles better than the Pokemon Anime, even at its Prime)
Rewatching Pokémon: why did I like this show as a kid?
Rewatching digimon: It gets better with age.
Digimon Tamers (with the German dub) is still one of my favorite Animes only rivaled by Made in Abyss.
I like Tamers even more then shows like Death Note and Code Geaz. No disrespect to those shows. they are pretty awsome.
Pokemon on the other hand even as a kid I only watched Pokemon becuse it came right before ore in between the shows I wanted to watch so I watched the Pokemon episodes to make sure I dont tune in to late. But I was honestly never a big fan of it.
When it comes to games I honestly have yet to try out a Digimon game but I will get to Cyber sleuth at some point.
I did played Pokemon Black but it ewas not my cup of tea. When it comes to monster collectors Persona 5 and both Persona Q games take the cake in my book. I love those games.
Even when I watch Digimon 02 more so than any other Digimon seasons(in my childhood) I notices Digimon 2 (and it's sequels) was the only anime-style medium that got Similar treatment to Current Pokemon anime, as I grow up
I honestly never understood why people needed to pick a side. I ate up all those "mon" things as a kid. Pokemon, Digimon, Monster Rancher, Fighting Foodons...
They didn't.
People just love splitting each others up.
And sometimes it's easy to go into a crowd rather than going into the middle.
oh I remember one of those games now... the Fossil Fightes, those were DOPE
I felt like they were all different enough to enjoy separately
I always say that "Pokemon is a franchise fans follow, while Digimon is a franchise that follows fans"
And based on my experience with both, I still have the same sentiments. I don't think I'll ever "outgrow" Digimon, but I feel like I'm way past Pokemon already. One of the main things that's really disappointing about Pokemon is the lack of a difficulty system/curve. It's always been like that since the beginning, but it's a mechanic that some people just get tired of. It's the same formula over and over, why not shake it up by having the option to run through the game with a little challenge. Yes, the core audience are kids, but does that mean older fans who just want a bit of a challenge just don't get anything? Also used to play the card game competitively, well, they did the same thing and dumbed down mechanics.
Nostalgia-wise, it's the opposite. Pokemon follows you while fans follow Digimon. Pokemon tends to call back to things from past gens, while Digimon, well, your nostalgia callbacks happen as you play the game, and it feels fresh for each playthrough.
Replayability - no contest for me. I already wrote over multiple save files playing Digimon CS, Next Order, and CS: Hacker's Memory over and over, sometimes even restarting the game just as soon as I've finished it. While the story stays the same, each run feels entirely different because of different approaches and team comps you can build, and you can get punished for oversight on things like typing and attributes when playing in hard mode. As for Pokemon, well, I was so hyped for Sun and Moon (last game I played was DP prior to Gen 7), I bought a DS and got both on release day, as well as getting myself a copy of ORAS and XY along with it. Finished Sun, and was halfway through OR. Sold my DS and all the games 2 months later. I think I spent more time playing Stella Glow and Bravely Default on it, only played Sun and OR for like a week or two. Saw the changes Let's Go implemented and swore never to buy a Pokemon game ever again unless they implement something that would make the game replayable and challenging.
But yeah, to each their own. I haven't outgrown Pokemon, but I've outgrown it's lack of certain mechanics.
You felt that way because Digimon doesn't have much consistency of their own media. And considering how you felt you've outgrown certain mechanics, goodluck enjoying the story series mechanics before you have even played CS or HM.
And considering how bad bandai treats digimon and with how slow they release their games, its understandable to have said sentiments. it wouldn't be the case if bandai did care and churn up digimon media like they did back then leading to digimon's downfall after frontiers.
Digimon Tamers is my favourite anime series ever. I don't consider myself a "digimon fan", I just really REALLY like how Tamers was written.
yep it was hella dark and amazing
I've been praying hard for a sequel for a long time. I rewatched it for the first time in 6 years this spring, and it still brings me to tears.
I got traumatized watching that series as a kid, after leomon died and the girl tamer lost her mind because of that? Nope i feel really bad for her. My younger self was weak af
The writer of digimon tamer same with Experiments Lain.
He is Chiaki J Konaka
And in spite of it's real world setting, Digimon Tamers grow balls to give any kids there Superpowers(from biomerging of course)
When I look at Pokemon nowadays, I sit there and wonder, "Is this how my dad feels, being disappointed all the time?"
Is this life
to deep for the internet go to oxford collage
Haha probably...
@Bringer of dis pear Depth such as Splishy Splash and Buzzy Buzz.
@Bringer of dis pear not sure if I'm being baited but please say you're a child
"Gamefreak games feel more high quality. They put a lot of care and polish."
...Oof, this aged real well
*#Dexit* indeed ;)
Gamefreak needs to suffer, so they won't make a mistake like sword and shield again.
@@paulsmith2648 Like that's ever going to happen. Even with the controversy Sword and Shield still did well.
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 That's because the average pokemon fan are little kids and manchilds that doesn't learn their lesson.
@@paulsmith2648 you do realize that Sword and Shield had a different team working on it?
I used to think very highly of Gamefreak but recently(Especially with some of the nonsense they are pulling with the Lets Go Games like Arbitrarily restricting the player for no reason,and removing mechanical improvements from other gens) they seem to have lost there touch. Quite frankly the fans are kicking there ass severly with the amount of great fan games and rom hacks that have come out. It is a sad sight indeed when I am more excited for Episode 19 of the fangame Pokemon Reborn than Gen 8
I think Gamefreak and Nintendo as a whole needs to realize why a good chunk of us enjoy fan games.
They have and I can respect them for that. However,these games are doing really stupid shit for the sake of being "different"
Pokemon as a sereis is already very easy to get into so I struggle to see the actual point of doing that sort of thing. Gamefreak is also not doing a good job of selling this idea as the shit they are doing in this game could be done way better if they want to attract more people into the sereis. Removing Abilities and Held Items is outright moronic and removes a lot of coolness of the battle system and Pokemon Customization(Which Gamefreak is trying to sell these people on). Restricting Players from entering gyms without some arbitrary requirement will only hurt them in the long run as restriction runs are very common in the community. I could go on but if they really want to bring new people into Pokemon there are way better ways to go about that
@@theimpersonator7086 you don't need to follow the requirements if you want to they just check your bag
This restriction of the gyms should have never been a thing at all though. If they really wanted to help out new players,stack the routes around Pewter City with Ground,,Fighting,Grass,and Water Pokemon and have the dude in the front of the gym suggest or outright state "Use X Type of Mons"
digimon has heart, pokemon has professional developers. until relatively recently digimon games have been mediocre (technically and game design wise) but the digimon team feel like they care so much more.
It also doesn't help that Bandai and its games division Bandai Namco entertainment has no idea what their fans like half the time. "We don't think westerners like Gundam so no games or anime for the west, it is not like people spend millions on our model kits over seas each year or anything" "We don't think westerners like Digimon so no games for the west" "We aren't sure if westerners like Tales of games if the next one doesn't sell well we will stop releasing them to the west" and these are 3 of their most popular franchises. Luckily, the three series are now/still available in the west. We had to petition them and buy Digimon rumble just to get their confidence up enough to start getting games again. At least they listen, "It has been 10 years but we are finally giving you guys the definitive version on Tales of Vesperia you fans had been asking about"
Oh my, u didnt play cyber sleuth(and hackers memory but this is more like a side story) and next order.
@@clarehidalgo i was one of the people who spend the petition around to get the new digimon games to come over
@@uchihas1995 he did say till recently...
said by nobody
Pokemon ending with Ash suddenly aging 80 years, screaming "WERE POKEMON EVEN REAL THIS WHOLE TIME!?" and dying in the forest would be pretty metal.
But I agree, Digimon has made way more efforts to be different (to its detriment, honestly). I'm hopeful they can continue the trend with recent games where, like you said, it feels more like a "brand" than it ever did before.
Digimon, anime-wise, has...Personally my favorite series wavers between Adventure 02 and Digimon Tamers (the third season). In Adventure 02, it's the clear passing-the-torch of the older generation to the newer generation and darker tone (a human manipulating the Dark Gears to control Digimon). In Tamers, it's primarily the way the overall darker tone gradually appears and affects/enhances/develops the characters.
Data Squad/Savers was nice with an explicit young-adult protagonist and thus a more-mature relationship between him and his digimon partner...but at times felt stagnant as though it was retreading Tamers...including the tone which it made no mistake about being driven by. Frontier, similarly, had an engaging premise recapturing the Adventure 01/02 series in broad strokes...but played a lot of its cards too early if it was going for an homage.
Digimon Fusion was actually a really interesting series, but then hit the "Ken Ichijoji" roadblock of a human being manipulated by an evil digimon to enslave and torture his own digimon. The kicker being that the kid was both a kid and a plot-relevant item...they spent a lot of time looking for that kid and then the kid ignores them because "it's just a game"? Bullshit.
Hey it's you!
Chilling with Kakujo Digimon Survive is looking good, at least. Based on the tone, setting, and gameplay, it's safe to say that Survive will play similarly to Fire Emblem, characters dying and all
@@onijester56 it is reasonable enough. He was a kid under emotional stress due being unable to cope with death, somebody promises him a world where death is like a slap in the wrist and can freely indulge on his wildest fantasies, cue to being broken when he realizes people dies for real and does his best to fix it.
I honestly found it much better than Ken being pretty much a wizard did it as his kaiser/emperor identity was pretty much a secondary alternate personality considering it was completely different to his original one and rather than becoming a better person, it was just magically becoming good again because his evil was a spore induced evil personality all along
I can agree that Fusion's manipulated-human is reasonable enough, actually. And that Adventure 02's Ken wound up being horrible later on; the "secondary personality" was a really powerful message at the time for the likes of video-games, seeing as he channeled his negative emotions into the Digital World by virtue of thinking there was no consequence. He literally used the persona of the Dark Emperor as a form of escapism...not unlike someone playing "God of War" or "Doom" or "Duke Nukem" or "Call of Duty" to relieve their stress. This is even more the case since the "dark spore" had no actual involvement with the redemption itself, with Ken joining the Digidestined before the Dark Spore was a known plot-element and remaining with the heroes even after it's introduced to the audience despite it never being cured (as they didn't know it existed). So, at least for Ken, the Dark Spore wasn't too drastic a change...at least no more drastic a change than Ewan's own use of the Digital World as a means of escapism/etc.
(Ninja'd) The bad thing is that the introduction of the Dark Spore does, as you state, white-wash everything as "A Wizard Did It"...even though they literally had his atonement and redemption well on its way to the end if not outright finished when they brought it into the story. Personally, I see the Dark Spore less as "mind control" and more as "makes it harder to control your negative emotions", as Ken despite having the spore inside him is still able to be good and kind and such with the help of his friends. But it's not really made clear how powerful the dark spore truly genuinely absolutely is...least of all since Ken DOES fight against it when Ultimate Evil Villain Guy is actively trying to use it to control Ken, although such resistance is painful to Ken. (end ninja)
And I base this given the several episodes with Ken working to fix the problems he caused and accept the consequences of his actions, his carelessness, his aggression. (Again, all of which occurs before the "Dark Spore" is revealed.) Of which, sure I admit I still have a couple episodes left to the second season of "Fusion", but a redemption arc condensed into less than 4 episodes, occurring at the same time as a rescue sub-plot and the climax, just seems rushed. I mean, I would hope they adapt the third season into English and then allow Ewan to prove himself redeemed. But without that, unless I choose to watch the third "Xros Wars"/"Fusion" season subtitled, I'm left being asked to have a cluttered climax give a satisfying redemption to a character that has, at least a couple times before, been reluctant to atone for their actions or admit to their faults.
Honestly, digimon has always been the superior experience.
Anime wise it is just plain better than pokemon even at its worst and game wise they were hit or miss until the era of re:digitize and adventure psp, which defined how the more successful modern entries in the story and world games would be, spevially cyber sleuth that pretty much nailed the formula and can only get better if it continues evolving
@Hyun Dong Lee well that question isn't for me. but yes it's better imo. not better in popularity though, as i know digimon trading cards already die. but the mechanic is really good. especially gameplay wise. try psx digimon digi card battle if you wanna know about it. if it about popularity contest, two of them already lose again mtg, heartstone and yugioh...
appmon and tri can be hit and miss. but it's not bad as a whole. although i can rate it higher than 02 and hunters. it just have awful pacing. especially tri. the story of appmon is really pickup in last 15 eps. sun and moon anime is meh imo.....
@Hyun Dong Lee Way late I know, but yes and no.
The "Digimon Tri" movie series was a genius move, they basically gave what people have been wanting since the first 2 series ended, we got to answers to who the 5 original digidestined were, what became of them, how the North, South, East and West beats came to be, the inclusion of Yggdrasil ( something that was only mentioned on season 5 ) whit the "original" series, the final evolutions of the Digimon (Since only Agumon and Gabomon got them in the series while Patamon and Tailmon got them in a movie, leaving the others whit no evolution to see in the series), and obviously, more info on what happened whit the characters, since lets be honest, the ending scene of "Digimon 02" wasnt satisfactory.
And now, whit "Digimon: Last Evolution" comming up in 2020 which seems to be 5 years apart from "Digimon Tri" (Not 100% sure about this info), Digimon fans might finally get a "proper" ending to the series that started it all (if they dont make something else after that is).
Now, about Appmons, this series from what I have seen, cant really be considered "Digimon", but more of a spin-off in order to bring a younger audiance (since the recent Digimon Tri seems to be a "gift" for the old fans), it has no mention of the past Digimon and the Appmon also work diferently, whit them being connected to smartphones and having a system of "Grades" in place of the old "Baby->In-Training->Rookie->Champion->Ultimate->Mega" system, and that wen they died they turn into chips rather then be reborn into digieggs whit no memory of their past life. So, its probably something that you should watch if interested imo, I did but the diference from all other Digimon series to Appmon didnt pull me in.
So, while I find Digimon Tri better then Sun and Moon given that it expands on a world we already know (given you watched the other 2 seasons) ,it keeps the good old "darker" theme digimon is kinda know for and that I simply love what they did art wise (I will never get over the diference in art between XY and SM.), I cant say the same about Appmon.
To whoever read this till the end, feel free to give me your opinion on the 3 shows (Tri, Appmon and SM) and congrats for reading my wall of text.
I agree.
@Kevin Cuellar Which are the contradictions ?
@Kevin Cuellar Wrong. Alphamon was sent by Yggdrasil to manage the merge of the digital and human world, his job in tri was to basically delete anything getting in the way of Yggdrasil, and given how Homeostasis later contacted the Digidestined, Alphamons intentions on killing the Digidestined was even bigger given that Yggdrasil already knew about the presence of Homeostasis.
Plus, the merge of the Digital and Human world seems a big deal even if not "crucial"
How can you say something so controversial yet so brave?
What
@@levyata8964 that they like Digimon if I had to guess. I've been given death threats just for being a Digimon fan.
@Bringer of dis pear Listen, friend. There are billions of humans in the world, you can't throw a tantrum whenever one has different opinions than you. It's a children's video game series, don't take it personally.
Controversy brings cheap views to any channel
@@joeshroom8482 no, is everyone's game.
I beat Platinum as an 8 year old who didn't know English even was a thing. That says enough about how casual it was.
Meanwhile I played Digimon World back when I was 11 and played it for over 50 hours without having any idea on where to go or even how to get an ultimate digimon.
I replayed the game two years ago and beat it in like a week without any issues. (With breaks, of course. I'm an adult now)
The game series are completely opposite of one another
The casual players were the minority
Andrés Francia it’s Pokémon company’s insistence to keep getting children into the series but it’s backfiring I guess now.
Gen 1-4 were easy kid friendly RPGs, and while Gen 5 upped the anti a bit for older fans it was only a little harder at the end of the day. But by then phones got smart and suddenly that was the big portable every kid had.
Didn’t matter if 3ds was doing well (which it wasn’t during XY development) they had their series stuck to what was seen as a dying console style because people had phones to bring everywhere and tv consoles for good graphics so who needed a middle ground?
Thus this slow stupid decline. Since now we get less and less good spin offs because all of them are usually made for phones now, I can’t think of a spin off exclusive before Pokken or even announced coming that was just for Wii U or switch, and it doesn’t take 4 years anymore like Gen 2-5 did. It’s 3 years and games are nearly yearly now, with 2015 skipped only cause they didn’t wanna put a team on actually making a Pokémon Z to make XY a good game like Platinum was to Gen 4.
you can beat it with out reading for the most part. test the move "okay that did damage. " then just keep doing that. there not really a story (older ones) newer ones do a story but in a bad way.
I remember playing Gold/Silver in fifth grade, on a poorly translated ROM using No$GB because it wasn't even released in the US yet. Most things were untranslated, so you have stuff like "B'y[square][heart] used 't" and other incomprehensible gibberish. Still beat the game just fine save some trouble with Whitney.
It's definitely pretty casual, even back in the day.
I'm a simple person. I see someone talk about the Digimon games that I grew up with and loved, I press like!
As someone who grew up with both. I love them both pretty much equally. I have my days where I'm obsessed with Digimon and days where Pokemon is on my mind all day. I loved Digimon for what they did to the anime, and the Digimon games always hits me where I want it to.
I also prefer 70% of Digimon's overall designs compared to Pokemon. (Besides from the Digimon who are... absolutely terrible)
I'm just happy that both series still are alive strong and well.
As well Digimon covers deep subjects especially the concept of death. Something that Pokemon did recently 22 years now.
Brandon Roberts I mean the player in Pokemon can still capture and enslave god, just without the whole morality and religion aspect.
Pokemon talked about death in the main time-line with X and Y the only serie less childish talking about it is Mystery dungeon
@Brandon Roberts those games have no idea what they are talking about. They can't even get God right.
@Brandon Roberts if you are going to represent or showcase a religion, then its common courtesy to show respect by getting as much as you can right. In those games, they got God wrong in every way. He isn't order, he is good, that's exactly what he is. The relationship between us and him is that of a parent and child. We are the child, he is the parent, the ultimate and perfect parent.
@Brandon Roberts it's no made up religion either. If you are going to take something, then you better make sure you understand what it's about. Its no name that you can take a place on whatever you please. Its not something to make light of or twist however you want.
Personally, I feel like digimon is the perfect middle ground between change and tradition in regards to this genre of anime.
You have pokemon which has a very distinct formula that fans expect. The rules of pokemon are so clearly defined that big changes like pokefusion and mega evolution were hit with resistance.
While not a topic of your video, yugioh is a franchise with the exact opposite problem. Each new show comes with major changes that forces fans to evaluate the established lore and sort out what does or doesn't still apply.
Digimon is the perfect middle ground because it's rules are clearly defined but still leave a lot possibilities. While the evolution method of Xros was met with criticism, it still felt like an organic addition to the franchise because it fits with the established lore
Lets be fair Xros's problems lie mostly in execution of said evolution method. 99% of the xros forms feel unnatural af. Colors not mixing well and overall bad designs plagued most xros forms. The story was good as usual except for the 3rd season that didn't happen as far as i'm concerned, but the designs were not great overall.
I'd disagree that Pokemon needs to innovate on its formula, Gamefreak just needs to learn that they need to respect their players since they aren't all little kids anymore.
Digimon has always been more metal though -3-
Why not a spinoff rpg thats a bit darker and more adult for long time players, just an experiment that goes in the opposite diretion of lets go
@@demi-fiendoftime3825 Pokemon doesn't need to be edgy to be good, mature? Yes. Darker? Hell, no!
Sylvie Rose What I'm looking for is a Pokémon game with the grit the adventures Manga has. Something that isn't always happy go lucky family friendly.
Well, a "darker spinoff rpg" does exist. Gale of Darkness and Coliseum play similarly to the main series but instead revolve around the mechanic of "snagging" enemy Pokemon rather than catching Wild Pokemon (You literally steal other people's Pokemon). It's a slightly darker take on the core series with the added bonus of being compatible with Ruby and Sapphire provided you play on actual hardware.
I was just saying I'd like it if the main series didn't treat me like I haven't been playing Pokemon for 20 years xP
I like the formula too.
The way the newer Digimon games handle nostalgia is so much better than modern Pokémon. In Digimon, yeah you can get the Tamers crew really early on, but they are just more Digimon, like the rest. Yeah you can get Omnimon, but YOU have to put in the work and time to get an Agumon and Gabumon, and raise them up. Meanwhile Pokémon throws gen 1 references and callbacks everywhere, from only gen 1 mons getting Alolan forms, to Charizard and Mewtwo getting multiple Mega Evolutions, to special boss fights against Red and Blue, etc.. all put right in your path without any subtlety or real explanation if your not a longtime Pokémon fan who realizes they are being pandered to. In Digimon you have to go out of your way to flood yourself with nostalgia, whereas in Pokémon, you have to dive under the flood of nostalgia pandering to get to the new stuff.
@acidonia150 While true you must remember/know most of the TCG was not available or had limited release outside Japan hence the exclusive digimon went unknown and in order to sell the games they must focus on more recognized models.
Personally I can tell you Mexico has a great digimon fanbase when I was a child yet we never had the TCG and only the first 3 anime were dubbed and aired outside TV cable so unless you were pretty harcore/rich and imported the chances of knowing more were close to zero.
Not quite sure you understand what they meant by "handling nostalgia" as what you say has little to do with nostalgia (nor anything to do with what the OP is talking about). Seems the same with your response to the other guy too. You see that as "no excuse"? But what of it? Just because you don't see it that way, doesn't mean it isn't correct. There are a lot of underused, if not unused Digimon in the games, but, to be frank, who really cares? I mean it sucks, but they'd be stupid not to cater to what works. That's how successful businesses work. That's not to say they shouldn't take risks (because honestly they should), but they don't have the fan base to experiment like Pokemon can. If they mess up too bad, it could possibly cost them their franchise (though I doubt it).
The back to the point, which is, Digimon DOES do nostalgia far better than Pokemon does, which was the topic at hand. It's not in your face and it's subtle. All of this stuff about underused Digimon has little to do with this point.
Also... don't make up "sins" of Monster RPGs. There's no such thing as "Monster RPGs" not being able to change designs on their models, lmao. And because Pokemon hasn't done it, it's not okay? What kind of point is that? Pokemon is stagnant and they haven't had to change design because they have a massive and rabid fanbase that supports them pretty much no matter what they do. You can churn the same thing out over and over, without exception, if you have a loyal and dedicated enough fanbase, why WOULD they change designs that people have known since day one? Once again, it'd be bad for business, even if it wouldn't sink them in any way. They're taking enough risk with Gen 1 Nostalgia Reboot: Kindergarten Edition, they DO take stupid risks, just in different areas.
It's really not all that cut and dry.
Yuz am no tru fhan!!
@@sarkaztik3228 so the constant pandering to the adventure anime is handling nostalgia better?
@@acidonia150 "this is something no mainline pokemon game has ever done" boy did this comment not age well
Black/White was GF's magnum opus; they tried to do something different yet nostalgia blind shitheads complained that they couldn't use Pikachu again for the thousanth time and that it was too linear even though every other game before it was also linear. That's why we see shit like gen 6 and 7. Game Freak doesn't give a shit at this point and is just going back to what worked rather than what is innovative.
I mean in gen 1 you light path choice half way trough the game.
Rokkuman Ex2 Sorry to burst your bubble, but Black and White were the games that started the Gen I pandering.
Most of the “new” Pokémon were just ugly rehashes of Pokémon from gen I. Munna is just a pink version of drowsy, Sawk and throh are just rehashed versions of Hitmonlee Hitmonchan. Clink gets more heads as it evolves just like Magnemite, foongus is just a mushroom version of vultorb, and buffolant is just torrus with an Afro slapped on his head.
If Gamefreak couldn’t think of 150 unique new Pokémon then they should have just put old Pokémon in the game instead of making uglier versions of Pokémon that already existed.
BW was probably the single worst generation for pokemon designs, over-all.
Gen 5 was the by far the worst installment for me. I actually stopped playing Pokémon for quite a while because of it. It was that bad. Gen 6 was far better, and I didn’t even like it that much. Going out of its way to try to “reboot” the franchise means Gen 5 will always be the lowest point of the series.
@@xsellepoch9954 yet it provided the best story out of all of them. Though their priorities in creating pokemon were definitely misplaced. But it was generation 6 that started the pandering. The most gen 5 had was that Tournament in Black 2/white 2 where Red shows up.
If they need to keep shoving Gen. I at us, why can't they at LEAST give us more variety of Pokémon than the originals when they remake Kanto all the damned time? No, Alola Forms do not count; at least give all Gen. I mons their new evolutions and pre-evolutions! Seriously... even the Gen. II and Gen. III remakes actually added new things to the PokeDex BEFORE you beat the Elite Four, what excuse do FRLG and (more prudently) "Let's Go" have? Gaaaah...
@Hyun Dong Lee I mean, they have a few Agumon variants, but most 'pandering' is monsters that are similar to Wargreymon/Metalgarurumon/Other fan favourites.
Oof, that verlisify clip
Explain to me his logic of
(paraphrasing)
"These spin-off games made to invite new players and make new fans are only intended for TRUE fans of pokemon"
ZenCyn it’s not a spin-off
At this point, I won't consider them otherwise, unless we're told we can connect to Gen 8 in some way. But with what's presented, LGPE are completely separated from everything but Pokemon GO.
ZenCyn so gym battles and trainer battles don’t exist in LGPE?
You misunderstand what I was saying. Having the same formula is irrelevant to me. Unlike Gens 1-7 which connect together one way or another, this remake has been cut off from the other games. There's no indication you can connect to Gen 7 or Gen 8, isolating it. They did say this was a new mainline game, but if it can't actually connect to the main series outside of the basic formula, then it's a completely separate line of games, i.e. a spin-off.
I liked both Pokemon and Digimon as a kid. I remember on the playground people thought Digimon was just cooler Pokemon as well.
I´m jealeous. In my childhood, everyone hated me, cause i dared to love digimon. I didnt dislike pokemon, but everyone was like: "Heresy! If you like digimon, you automatically hate pokemon! Digimon is just a cheap ripoff, you travel around catch digimon in digiballs to complete the digimon analyzer and need to find Crests to go to the digimon league!" WTF
@Fire Gamer not my friend, but yes. Pokemon is much linearer with its evos. Nobody would ever train a caterpie, cause even its highest evo is still pretty weak. In digimon, every rookie has at least half a dozen evolutions. Two of those are numemon and sukamon, but besides that, there aren't really any bad rookies. All of them can reach multiple megas, depending on how you raise them.
proclarushtaonasat I even trained sukamon, he rocks! Can’t say the same about numemon though, that guy’s hopeless
Well, originally, in the first digimon keychains and digimon world 1, that used the same Evolution mechanics, the ultimate Level was the highest form, a digimon could reach. Even in the Digimon Adventure Animes, Digimon never evolved beyond ultimate, on their own. All Mega digimon reached that stage, through some unnatural circumstances: Apocalymon was a Fusion of all digimon in the Recycling bin, the dark masters gained the power to reach mega from apocalymon. VenomMyotismon absorbed large amounts of power from the human world, Metaletemon was stuck in subspace, WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon used the power of 2 Crests each (Courage and Light, Friendship and Hope) and Saberleomon was repeatedly exposed to digivice Energy from multiple Sources. The sourvereigns evolved by some mystic BS that involved sacrificing their teammate to beat the dark masters and Dragomon and Deemon were some ancient mystic lovecraftian Horrors of the digital world.
So, Megalevel is already something, that goes beyond the natural Evolution a digimon can achieve on its own, so i´m ok with treating all evolutions beyond that as an Extension of the megalevel, as mega means "beyond ultimate" or "beyond perfect" in japanese.
I cannot agree more with you on this. Digimon's recent outings have been interesting and very fun.
Personally, I feel that Digimon and pokemon come from 2 different angles. With Pokemon, you raise pets to fight.
In digimon, people only got one or two friends that you help develop and grow. These friends could talk, fight on their own and grew attached to their partners. Heck, Digimon even scrapped the idea of taking digimon out of their environment by having you scan the data.
Plus, you can see where pokemon and Digimon have met. Pokemon amie and the ev training mechanics are straight out of digimon's nurturing nature with a care-reward system. Plus, temporary evolutions.
I've always been mostly a digimon girl. I never played the pokemon games but I watched the anime and after the Jhoto season, I would find myself losing interest. I would mainly actually just watch the movies, because giving credit, the pokemon movies are a bit better than the digimon movies. Though, this is starting to change somewhat because the pokemon movies are just Ash finds a legendary pokemon, usually a cute one, he and his friends need to stop an evil from hurting said pokemon thus stopping the world from getting destroyed and most of the time there's an even bigger legendary that's out of control and they have to stop and befriend it. Same story over as you said with the rest of the pokemon series.
Digimon, I can't remember if it was my friend introduced me to the show or what but eventually, when I watched the first episode, I was hooked with it. I liked the Digimon designs better and I also like how they were part of games in the world of the anime. It kinda made it seem more real because well they were a video game series first so.
@svin but Runaway Locomon, X-Evolution, and Bokura no War Game were the awesome, especially Digimon X-Evolution
I'm hyped for Digimon Survive and I've always been a digimon fan since I was a kid. Watched every digimon season and movie. I have played the games since cyber sleuth cuz the past ones I never played due to not knowing about them/finding them in stores
You should try the original give it a 1-2 hours of gameplay and if you like it play it for more but you would be bored by digimon world 2 though because you have to grind *A* *LOT*
Zord Xros I'm used to grinding a lot and I only know that I can play PS games through a PS or PSP emulator from the google play store
@@ramoncastro4737 lol ok then👍
U should try digimon world series.. 1,2,3. All of them was good. Try download an emulator and play on ur phone
God, seeing “2 years ago” on this comment and knowing that we still in a state where we don’t know when it drops hurts me lol
Pokemon is my jam, but as a kid I always liked Digimon more, mainly because in the show the main character's monsters would actually grow and evolve. Unlike the Pokemon anime which was super against having Ash's Pokemon evolve. Shit pissed me off as a kid.
I actually liked the idea of having unevolved/ not fully evolved pokemon kicking butt in battle. I did the same thing in some of my Pokemon playthroughs (not evolve starters or favorite pokemon). I tended to trade for evolutions of pokemon if I wanted to used them in battle.
Oh don't get me wrong, there are a lot of unevolved Pokemon that I like more than their evolutions. My problem with the anime was that *most* of Ash's Pokemon wouldn't evolve. This was especially bad in gen 2.
If Ash was actually smart and could create nice strategies with unevolved pokemon, the show would be very enjoyable to watch.
@@DrawciaGleam02 which he has in the past...sinnoh, battle frontier, and hoenn for starters.
Okay then. 😊
But Ash definitely needs to be smarter during battles. Many fans pointed this out in earlier seasons of Pokemon (Suede himself has called out some of Ash's decisions in battle). I hear that wasn't much of an issue in XY and the Sinnoh league apparently.
World 1 was so amazing, it was complex, and unforgiving any kid who beat that shit had at least 200 IQ
but I still came back everyday to it
Nergal
Only TRUE dedicated digimon fans can play and finish this with no sort of outside help, or cheats
I can make a bet
Put a pure pokemon player kid to play digimon world 1 and watch them ragequit in tears
re:digitize is basically world but with the system perfectioned
Digimon World 1 is a masterpiece, and I'd argue it even holds up to this day.
i don't think it holds up the age too well, but has a lot of replayability, literally no run will be the same as the prior
2:01 Perfection in the form of a transition, roasting Verlis.
Gameplayer 119 he is kinda correct in a little sense
@@blazeknight2629 Who, Verlis? Can't believe that. The dude blocked me for giving him facts when arguing, which he said he wanted to see.
I'm subscribed to him and even I disagree with a lot of things he said.
I use to be subbed to Verlis but his Toxic turned me off
Mr. Green I'm subbed to Verlis and a lot of other Poketubers. While I do disagree with a lot of what he says at times, I think he does make some good points. I don't think he is the worst person alive but I do think that he should try to say things in a less passively aggressive way if that makes any sense.
Just as a side note, the fact that that a Digimon game coming to the Switch next year makes me really excited! Maybe it could lead into....Agumon for Smash???
Better, gabumon. We need more beastial creatures in the game
Pxllation Digimon didn't originate from video games.
neither did Pokemon, yet there they are (Pokemon began as a card game before the Red/Green came out in Japan)
No. The games came out first.
Red and Blue came out in February 1996 in Japan, while the TCG came out in October 1996.
“Maybe they’ll hold back on the hand holding.”
Sword and shield: No I don’t think we will.
I never really had a problem with any Pokémon game until let’s go, and Eevee.
I like X&Y, but I admit it the game was far from perfect. The fact that they are the only games to not have another version, and the fact that sun and moon were referenced throughout the game make it pretty clear that X&Y were made so that Gamefreak could learn how to develop for the 3DS. Kinda like how Cathrine was made, so the Persona team could learn how to make develop for HD consoles. Cathrine is definitely a better game than X&Y, but I digress.
I love S&M, and I never felt like it was too hand holdy, because after years of watching the capturing tutorial I learned how to tune it out. The game was also was challenging at times depending on your team set up. Most people I had heard from had trouble with at least one of the totem Pokémon, and the ultra necromasma fight in US&UM was one of the hardest fights in the series IMO. I do agree that the games were a l little to generous with the items. If S&M had skippable cutscenes, and if the nurse and doctor trainers returned I think people would have less of a problem with them.
Let’s Go on the other hand I can not accept. I refuse to pay for a game that has removed content, and insults the player’s intelligence. The only positive thing about Let’s Go is that they did not use an entire generation to test new hardware, because the similarities between X&Y are pretty clear. X&Y may have lacked content, but at least they kept the core gameplay in tact unlike let’s go.
Edit: You left out the fact that Gamefreak announced that there will be more traditional Pokémon games being released next year. While we should take everything Gamefreak says with a grain of salt I think you still should have mentioned them, because how well the real games being released next year do will heavily influence the future of the series as a whole. The only way Let’s go can influence the series is if it sells more than the real games. I know we don’t have any information on the new games, but people need to know that if they don’t won’t Pokémon to go in this direction they can do something about it. Boycott the let’s go games if you don’t like them, and if the new game’s being released next year turn out to be just as bad then boycott them as well.
I love S&M, don't see what that has to do with Pokemon though.
On a more serious note, I think the level of challenge in 4th gen was the best I've seen. I haven't played Ultra Sun/Moon but I played Sun and it was disappointing for me. It felt like it was designed for children, and while I get that it is conceptually a kids game they should've also looked back at the fact that a huge chunk of their playerbase is old fans. What really confuses me is how they add a bunch of references for nostalgia's sake but then design the game as if the target audience was too young to even get a good amount of them. Black and White felt really good because it made a good separation from the previous games without ditching the core. We had a new region with only new Pokemon until postgame, and an antagonist team that had beliefs that weren't so easy to brush off. N felt like the good guy almost just as much as the Player did, and it made the game's story feel interesting and complex to a degree the games didn't usually aim for. In X and Y, they put something more kid friendly but a little bit more dark/complex than some of the previous game's, and even though it fell flat in a lot of ways, i was able to appreciate some of those little things. Sun and Moon just seemed to undo a lot of that though, and it was almost kind of heartbreaking to see another game that was more disappointing than the last. I really hope the next traditional game is as good or better than the first 5 gens.
Jacob Zeven 1. Sun and moon was a story about parental abuse which is a topic most children’s games do not cover. Having a lighter tone does not make a game childish. Persona 4 had a lighter tone, but it the story revolves around a serial murder case in a small tone. Having a darker tone doesn’t always makes something good.
2. Black and white were the games that started the gen I pandering. Most of the “new” Pokémon in that game were just ugly rehashes of Pokémon that already existed. N’s potential as a villain was completely wasted, because of Ghettis’s existence. Instead of accepting the blame for all the horrible things he has done the game turns him into a victim, and all the blame is pushed on a 2 dimensional power hungry villain who was manipulating him the whole time.
3. You told me you felt X&Y were flat, so all the darker things in that game didn’t do anything to improve the actual quality of the story. Like I said previously a darker tone does not automatically make something good, or more mature.
“When I became a man I put away childish things including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” C.S. Lewis.
BlueRasBerryMadness I wasn't trying to imply that a dark tone equals good story, but I see how you thought that. I just like the blurred lines between right and wrong and i felt the characters seemed a bit more realistic in that light. Ghetsis' control over N wasn't something i was too fond of but N himself had enough ideological differences and his own narrative to set himself apart instead of being and extension of Ghetsis. Also, Sun and Moon was decent story wise, and had somw stuff i liked, but the thing that made it feel like it was appealing to kids for me was the excessive hand holding and the way a lot of sotry telling happened. The NPC's of the game talked to the player in an almost condescendingly simplistic and positive way, and i know a lot of people took it differently and might've even enjoyed that change but i personally saw it as a hindrance to the storytelling and world building. Also, on a somwhat unrelated note i can't fault them too much for, the always smiling face of the player character always ruined the really serious moments for me, as petty as that may seem.
Also, how were so many 5th gen pokemon rehashes? i can think of a few but nothing that really stands out as much as the other games.
I wouldn't be so offended by "Let's Go" if they at least gave us the option of what gameplay we'd prefer; motion-control capture or traditional, wild Pokémon battles or not, it doesn't seem fair to railroad us into one based on whether we play the exact game or not... of course, between the traditional elements in the main series and the "Go" ones, I would absolutely abandon ship if the latter were forced upon us with no choice to NOT use them, now and forevermore.
Jacob Zeven The reason the NPCs talked like that, because the region in S&M was based on Hawaii. They were trying to create a tropical island feel in the game, and the NPC dialogue was part of creating that feeling.
The reason I say that the gen 5 Pokémon are rehashes is, because most of their concepts came from Pokémon that already existed.
Munna is a dream eating Tapir just like drowsy.
Sawk and Throh are two fighting type Pokémon that use completely different fighting styles like hitmonlee And Hitmonchan.
Timbir is a small Pokémon who gets more buff as it evolves, and you need to trade it to fully evolve it just like machamp, and rongonrola is a rehash of geodude for similar reasons.
Klink gains more heads as it evolves just like magnemite.
Sure there are some original ideas for Pokémon in B&W, but. The dex is still riddled with ugly versions of gen one Pokémon.
I'd say the Pokemon games went downhill *after* gen 5
I'd rather replay platinum a million times than finish ultra sun
or you just don't like it
AFTER Gen 5.
@@scarlettgodless7446 black and white were pretty goot
@@Alias_Anybody yeah that's what I meant lmao whoops
Whoa wait, someone else just realized that after gen 5/ starting gen 6 its like the games put a lot less care and heart into them. Wow, I'm not alone.
Growing up I always preferred Digimon to Pokemon. The Digimon anime series had more of an impact to me than Pokemon did so I had more interest in playing the Digimon games, even if the Pokemon games were objectively better back then. However, it felt like they had no soul, if that makes any sense.
It does, though the timing not so much.
"back then" now they are still amazing games i love ultra sun and moon
I don't doubt it but I haven't played a Pokemon game in 5 years so I can't express any kind of opinion on them, good or bad.
Personally I have always been a bigger digimon fan (same for my sister) even as a kid I loved how different world one and three were (didn't own two back then) and one of my favorite things about digimon versus pokemon is that digimon is a partner for life where as we've seen ash just drop pokemon from his team fairly easily. For all it's talk about friendship pokemon always seemed to no really deliver it to me, and the bond between human/digimon partnership was much closer than ash and his pikachu could ever be. best example is tamers (season three) the human partners actually felt pain when their digimon got hurt in one fight even though the fight took place on top of a sky scrapper and the humans were on the ground far away from the damage. Pokemon for me just never had that kind of depth, but this is just talking about the anime. I have thoroughly enjoyed both series of games. also my favorite digimon is Dorumon and my favorite pokemon is Absol
I think the easiest and best way to shake up the Pokemon formula would be to give it a Megaman style level of progression. You start the adventure at the center of the map and are free to explore in any direction from the get go. All the gyms are open to you if you can travel to them. The level of enemy Pokemon scales depending on how many badges you have. Boom, completely different gameplay experience without changing basically anything of the fundamentals of the game.
Not counting the level scaling, kanto kind of did that, especially in the GS after game. I don't know why they don't do that.
Well not in the original game really. You're free to skip over gyms if you want, but natural progression lines them up in the intended defeat order. The only one players might find themselves doing out of order accidentally would be Sabrina, either before Koga or after Blaine. You're right, they definitely do it in Gold and Silver's post game though, with the exception of the final three gyms. I think the feeling would be greatly enhanced if it was a new world to explore though.
That makes it impossible to write an actual story though.
That would certainly be an interesting change, since I lost interest in Ultra Moon at the start of the fourth island due to the game still leading me everywhere by the hand.
@@andresmarrero8666 Why is it impossible?
4:01 ...oh...aw naw thats messed up
Loved the Digimon anime as a kid, but the games were unapproachable. I feel I aged out of Pokemon after gen 3 (I stopped watching the anime during gen 2), I tried the ds games but couldn't get into them, but went back and played Digimon world in uni and thoroughly enjoyed it. (Favourite digimon was gatomon, cause she was cool and I like cats :p)
You didn't like gen 2 digimon? Flamedramon was one of my favorite digimon. The games were pretty decent, and I want to like cyber sleuth but the gameplay is barely decent(there are so many other games that do it better,though I like sleuth better than Pokemon) and the story is ok at best, in my opinion, I do also think that it is more interesting than most Pokemon games.
I mean it didn't help that most of the handheld for Digimon games never came out in the US as they were wonderswan exclusive poor Ryo Akiyama was the MC of those games they were grid turn based strategy games. I tried to play (on a wonderswan emulator) the 3rd version of the first game since it was the only one translated into English (for hong kong) it was ok.
gayfemboi romantic
Next order is something unique
Its limited access to only the veterans or willing patient players is what makes it really good
It really tests if you can work to earn your meal or not
I mean a lot hate it because "it sucked"
When in reality they are either impatient or they are talking as if the game failed them when in fact its them that failed the game
A lot did
So i told them at least 3 people i know who had virtually NO past experience with digimon world 1
Still managed to finish next 0rder with no trouble anyway
The complainers didnt dare reply afterwards
Legendarydigitize try digimon re-digitize or re-decode
While I love Pokémon the fans are just horrible when the topic of digimon comes up,Pokemon fans always go for world 1 when they compare gameplay and their main argument is how complicated it is and how the series didn’t have any good games before cyber sleuth, they don’t even look at the DS games it’s just sad how much they blindly hate on a franchise they refuse to acknowledge. Aside from my rant it was a pretty good video mostly because unlike the other videos comparing both games you weren’t shitting on digimon and you were actually well informed unlike some people
Reed RNRK
Dont label the worst of the fans as fans
The worst of them are called poketards
Also its hilarioua seeing them suffer in world 1 as it shows they are bad gamers
Legendarydigitize Despite what you said about them being poketards(I’d probably say elitists) they’re still fans nonetheless I don’t wanna make it seem like they’re the only Pokémon fans who look at digimon though for the most part they’re usually the only ones who’ve ever heard of it
Overall, the concept of Digimon is just better. Where as Pokemon lacks the growth that Digimon sought out for, Pokemon won't ever change and at least Digimon is always trying something new.
I liked the pokemon and digimon anime as a kid, including movies for both. Digimon however didn't get me to play the games (including green because Singapore piracy), whilst pokemon did. But pokemon games ended for me with black and white, which took a disappointingly short time to complete.
I do think I had a preference for pokemon as a kid, mostly because of the battles being more interesting with the pokemon types. But now that I'm older, I appreciate digimon more as pokemon lost its appeal for me. The story of digimon just aged better, which is what has my appreciation now.
Only if the original Digimon dub didn't take out a lot of character development and depth.
*oof*
I love their voices but the scripts them selves are pretty bad
That's completely fine. Pokemon's script was never stellar either.
Yeah, anyone else remember Brock stating. I'll just take my frying pan and turn it into a drying pan
@@Dawleyllama its still a bad pun in japanese
Good points were made in this video . I love pokemon and digimon , but pokemon is well stagnating and digimon while it does have some issues is still progressing . Also my favorite digimon is Gallantmon X because he looks so epic 😁
You can tell Monroe is a pokemon kid, since he's always stuck as a 10 year old boy
I-I'm a 24yr old man >:(
DW bout it. This was a solid video, well done. Though not directly related, this conversation reminded me of GW licensing czcams.com/video/BtY3Lto_lR4/video.html basically creating new products for your core audience, while appreciating the diversity of tastes of a wider audience. I would hope these 'Let's Go' games can be their own series, allowing the main series to be more suitable for older audiences, since they never brought back 'Challenge Mode'.
DGW1 is much closer to the idea of what it means to raise Pokemons than within the Pokemon games themselves, always found this to be really interesting
Aside from the original Digimon series I watched as a kid, the only series I've seen is Data Squad. That show was pretty damn awesome, I mean, the protag flat out beats up giant Digimon with his fists. You can't get much cooler than that.
As for the games, for the longest time they've always been average at best. But lately Bandai Namco have been knocking it out of the park with the Cyber Sleuth series and Digimon World: Next Order. It's been really nice to have some solid Digimon games to play, especially since the mainline Pokemon games have become so repetitive and dull. Black and White were truly a step up for the series, and I thought X and Y were really good, but after Sun and Moon I'm just done.
My favorite Digimon though? Probably a toss-up between BanchoLeomon and Beelzemon.
Good Taste. Those are my exact two favorite digimon as well. XD
You'd love Rina from Digimon World Re:digitize Decode then, you saw how she is in her Cyber Sleuth cameo straight up kicking Barbamon in the head, I hear she was pretty out of character in Next -order- though
I for real cannot wait for a 3rd possible badass human character to beat the snot out of digimon with their bare hands
Rina made masaru proud with that kick
Sam Vimes there was also digimon story cyber sleuth hackers memory and digimon survive next year
@@legendarydigitize2523 i don't see no one talking about the family aspect of Marcus character he's kinda exaggerated but it humanizes him
I LOVE DIGIMON! Really happy that you decided to give it a try and seem to be enjoying it! :)
I feel sorry for other franchises like Digimon, Monster Rancher, Bakugan, Yo-Kai Watch, Neopets, Megami Tensei, Yu-Gi-Oh, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, and Monster Hunter.
same smh
There are two things I'd change about the anime: 1) Different protagonist every season. 2) Stronger writing that doesn't treat the audience like kindergartners.
There are two things I'd change about the game: 1) Age toggle: Young. Youthful. Adult. Mature. (10-15. 16-20. 21+. 50+) 2 different base models, Medium and Full. Different age brackets have unique customization options for them, such as Makeup, and swimwear for 16-20 and 21+ brackets for example. Most clothing would have alternate styles when worn on different brackets.
2) FULL RPG Sandbox. Join different "Guilds", complete freedom to choose your own path through the world and your goals. Contests, PokeStar Studios, Breeding, Training, Become a Gym Leader, E4, Champion. Join a TEAM. Takeover the cannon one or start your own! Player homes would be great, actually buy property in a few different cities.
Oh, and the cities! Pokemon X and Y were amazing. The endgame quest made Lumiose City feel like home for the first time in a pokemon game. For several days of heavy playing I never had to leave the city while I did the Looker quests. Each street and alley slowly felt like home, and what was once just a brief passover I avoided became familiar and homey.
I'd love to have more experiences like that in the future with other main cities, but expanded on even further with Player Homes, larger city, even more quests.
I say a different protagonist every two to five regions. And no sandbox please! I really don't like those things.
Beelzemon/Beelkomon. Best Demon Lord/Lady.
Umm, are you refering to Belle Starmon? Beelko is just a nickname
Also her and Beelzemon are two different mons
Beelstarmon
Yes, I believe that's what the dub went with. Not keen on it personally.
Two different 'mons in the sense that their previous forms are different genders. Otherwise it's the same basic creature.
Alex Steward
Beelstarmon isnt a demon lord
Though she is part of another kickass group
The three muskateers(of digimon)
What keeps me playing through newer digimon games is also the story. It's not incredible by any means but it definitely tries harder than the pokemon games, so they keep me wondering what in the world could come next
Lorz IX
That and at least they take risks in trying out different gameplay styles
The whole 2 different types of games for Digimon led them to make the Digimon Story title for the traditional RPG style starting with what came out in the US as Digimon world DS which was named just Digimon Story in Japan and the ones similar the World 1's with a more v-pet like aspect kept the digimon world title like Digimon world Re:digitize and Digimon world: Next Order
I really want to revisit Digimon the anime series now
I AM SO HYPE FOR SURVIVE, I am the weird kid who started with DIgimon as a kid and didn't play a Pokemon game till I was 13 tho the anime does have a part in my childhood i like digimon as a concept more
Also anyone else notice that Cyber Sleuth feels like the natural integration of digimon and Summer Wars?
You mean like digimon and the movie that was just a copy of the first digimon movie?
But yeah recent digimon games have been great, mainly hackers memory. Survive can't come soon enough.
How about no, Pokemon has already stolen the mega evolution concept from Digimon. Mega evolution will forever live in the shadows of Digimon now.
Over the years I’ve slowly moved away from Pokémon, which in a sense I’m glad, since it’s given me a chance to try out persona, fire emblem, and other franchises I hadn’t given a second thought before. I’m probably not going to buy the let’s go or 8th gen games if Pokémon continues like this, but I’m still thankful for the part of my childhood it was.
Also, I wish that anime ending actually happened. I’ve always been a sucker for mindfucks.
parallel.falchion have you tried mainline smt? smt 3 and 4 are very good games. ( warning they might be hard to get into, especially nocturne due to its punishing difficulty)
Technoflops not yet, but I do plan to. Guess I’ll try out one of those
@@SnowfurOfAwesomeness Is that Shuichi?
MemeLord 2000 you bet
@@SnowfurOfAwesomeness Danganronpa fans are there when we least expect them, lurking in the shadows xD
My favorite Digimon game when I was a kid was Digimon World Dawn/Dusk. I'm really happy that Cyber Sleuth follows a similar format while also improving on things like the digivolution system
8:28 Well that statement aged well
I really hope and feel that Pokemon Lets go, is a game for the casual fans. I really hope this is showing the whole 'remember this! Well you'll also love the cool new things'
I wonder if this will also help the Gen 8 with what worked and what didn't. People always wanted the follow Pokémon, wild Pokémon in the map, etc... And they included all this into Let's go.
Now maybe Gen 8 will have a Zelda BOTW or Odyssey feel where they are new games that mix up the franchise, while still having call backs to older games. Bring new ideas and really revamp the games that felt that they were getting stagnant and dumbed down
stop with this botw shit SMH
Digimon has better pretty boys tho.
gayfemboi romantic u gay lol
Sadly to its detriment. The underage yaoi shipping explosion during 02 is largely considered a component of why Digimon struggled in later years in the West animewise. When combined with the drop in quality that 02 was for most of its early run, the added punch of seeing a vast amount of the fandom online later on obsessing over homoerotica centered around underage children kind of helped stall it out later on.
Tamers helped build it back, despite the minor rep damage from producing a furry icon[ like it or not, there is a certain stigma there], but Frontier was a big departure and wasn't really appreciated in its time [hell, it's even today something of a "best of the worst" among the big change based series], and you had the franchise limping along for a very long time.
It wasn't until Data Squad came back in a tour de force that it picked up steam again. And then Xros immediately killed it again via being garbage from start to finish and taking a dump all over the franchise. Tri and the high quality of the newer games has done a lot to fix that...but we also had Appmon, which much like Xros tanked overall interest from old fans while failing to attract much in the way of newer ones.
It's staying alive and holding up well but they have made some miss-steps.
@@akumaouja4062 aw man, frontier is my favorite digimon series, takuya is my favorite character. Yaoi shipping really damaged the rep of the series? Even if it was with underage characters, it's hard to believe since a lot of anime has underage characters that are shipped together without much problems since they're just fictional characters in an animated show, it's harmless fun.
Yeah, like, you do you, I'll do me, all that. Never had a problem with homosexuality myself, but imagine being a kid or parent in the 90's-00's and you or you're kids a big fan of this digimon thing.
You do a quick google, or what have you in those days....
And aside from some basic information it's like 99% bad fanart of 10-14 year old boys having gay sex. Yeah, it's "just" fanart, but as a kid or a parent to a kid, who might not be "in" to the series, that looks really bad and is very off putting.
It's actually a known issue. Happened to Thundercats as well due to...heavy excesses of some of the more coherent parts of the fandom. We've also seen a bit of it with Voltron in the last 2-3 years or so as well. It's nice that people like things, but a lot of proto-tumblr, if you will, and the more famous parts of actual tumblr, took things a bit far and were a bit brazen about it.
It's like, yeahm for example, I personally would find say, She-ra going down on another lovely lady back in the day pretty hot, but I wouldn't go so far as to splatter images and stories of it openly across every aspect of the fandom I touched, but you saw a lot of that kinda thing back then. Part of creative freedoms and loving things is accepting that while it's good to love things, sometimes if you love them in a certain way it's best to be a bit more subdued and less open about it as a courtesy to others, much like say, people who enjoy the huge amounts of numbers and calculations they can do with say, Star Wars, should generally be polite enough to not spray math everywhere related to it.
As for the underage thing...yeah, kids trying their hand at love is cute in fiction so I don't have a problem with it, it is ultimately harmless. But it does have a compounding factor to the whole 'I googled digimon to see about laerning a little about it for my kids boyfriend and found a bunch of gay sex images and stories" thing.
@@akumaouja4062 I get where your coming from, but it's something that people like to do and I believe people can do whatever they want as long as they're not hurting someone in real life. As for the parents finding porn of cartoon ships that doesn't seem to be much of a problem because well the kid would have to be old enough to get in the internet and find the stuff and at that point they probably already found other kinds of porn already, I remember I was around 15 when I looked up porn and found fakku (because I like anime and thought 'is there anime porn') in the same year. Kids finding and watching porn is a weird and complicated thing. If parents actually looked up a television show and got outraged at the porn of it, which just about everything does, it would be massive problem, but I haven't heard of anything about that until you. So it should all be good I think.
To me the sun and moon anime is the best one out of all the past animes since it took on a more slice of life /comedy approach instead of doing the same tired thing and the more simpler art style allow it to be more smooth with the animation
Plus team rocket actually succeeded capturing pikachu for once...
@@JYRound they captured him several times ...you don't watch anime do you?
I also agree,i think that sun and moon focus on more about comedy,and friendship between Ash & his friends
I gave up on Pokemon anime in its fifth season when it finally dawned on me that nearly every ep was the same basic story:
1. Ash and company meet someone and learn about a new Pokemon or two
2. Team rocket attempts to steal the Pokemon
3. Team rocket get beaten and sent flying (again)
4. Ash and company resume their travels
That is Pokemon eps in a nut shell, the show plot is pretty much drawn out and repeative, it wouldn't be so bad if Ash and company actually aged or they shook up the status quo by removing Ash and his Pika from the show and go with a brand new set of characters that does not include Ash but then the adults of the Pokemon world are morons for letting a ten year old boy go off with his pet in a highly dangerous world by himself!
Digimon, has embraced change, for the most part, its core cast of humans are bought into another world and team up with a Digimon and fight to surive, at least that how the original started off and the Xros Wars series, its only on their adventures they learn about the world and the dangers they face, plus their parents are unaware of this sort of thing, thou the original Adventure series parents become aware of the sitution and see their children have grown up a bit more as the Digimon invade the real world!
I don't know anything about digimon but I have to say your complaints about Pokemon is sorta what pushed me away from the series as a whole. I played like for a few generations and quickly noticed it wasn't really changing and I was getting tired of same old same old turn based rock-paper-scissors gameplay so I got real bored with it. Great video Monroe, keep it up :)
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The op is talking about the typing mechanic as a rps part of the game
Gen 8 could very well change some things
Just a slight correction, Cyber Sleuth takes it's inspiration from the mainline Shin Megami Tensei games rather than the Persona titles.
I find more in common with Persona then SMT but that may be due to thematic changes rather than gameplay ones
I grew up hating Digimon because my dad raised me to love Pokémon. He shoved that "Digimon is a Pokémon ripoff" lie into my skull since he was also a big fan of Pokémon. Then I finally got around to watching the Digimon anime about 6 or so years ago. Now I'm not really a fan of Pokémon anymore. That's probably because it's almost exactly the same thing as it was when I was very young. Digimon feels refreshing. There's variety not only in the shows (despite the age now...) but the games are getting better too! Digimon feels like a more, for lack of a better word, "adult" version of Pokémon. I understand Pokémon's popularity, but I feel so bad for Digimon since it receives hate it doesn't necessarily deserve. :'V
LOOKS LIKE SOME FRATRICIDE IS IN ORDER.
It's always interesting to hear what die-hard Pokemon fans say when they actually experience Digimon for the first time. You should look into Monster Rancher as well. The show was somewhere in the middle between the two more popular monster themed shows, but the games are very different, and very complex.
I know its none of my buissnes but there is no harm in asking. How did youre dad react to your liking Digimon?
Also I would recomend to watch Digimon with subtitles. I am normally more of a dub guy but the english dub of Digimon is not that good. At the very least I recomend you to listen to some of the original music. It is really good. I just recently heard some of its music here on youtube and dam is it amazing. Not just the catchy evelution themes but also everyday town themes ore stuff like Piedmons theme.
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@@sofaris576 I don't mind the question at all! He was alright with it, especially because I was still a child when I started watching. We still butt heads about it from time to time, though haha. Some things never change.
And I've watched Digimon in both sub and dub! I grew up with the dub but rewatched the original with subtitles a few years later. I will say I only like the dub for its nostalgia, but nothing more. c:
And I fully agree, the soundtrack is absolutely incredible. It doesnt always get the credit it deserves :')
On another note, have you heard of Digimon Adventure 2020? Its the new anime thats been airing recently. Last I checked, it had 3 episodes on Crunchyroll (sub, of course!). Its not the same 01 we remember, but its refreshing and keeps just enough of the original details (especially the artstyle) to be a great recreation. That's as of so far anyway. I highly recommend checking it out! ^_^ sorry for the kinda long reply hehe; thank you for your reply and your time! :)
@@tombathewolf I heard about it and I intent on checking it out at some point. I actully watched Digimon with the German dub and that dub is in my opinion really good. That dub uses the same music ad the original fore the most part. It dubed the tracks that have lyricks but the dub did a great job with that. You might wanted to check out some of the german dub versions of the songs.
I actully did not listen that much to the english dub but what I heard I did not liked all that much. The music and Guilmons english voice. I love Guilmon in German but I hate his english voice and Galantmons english voice is even worse.
Since we are at the topic of recomendations I recomend "Made in Abyss". It is a pretty awsome Adventure series.
I agree that Digimon maybe better than Pokemon
But when its come to quotes i prefer Pokemon more,because Pokemon's quotes are more emotional
"I now see the circumstances of one's birth is irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
"The important thing is not how long you live. It's what you accomplish with your life. While I live, I want to shine. I want to prove that I exist...And so, if I were to disappear, I think that all I have accomplished will go on." - Grovyle
I love both Digimon and Pokemon
Pat I take it you haven’t watched episode 6 of Tri.
Can you look into Monster Rancher sometime? It was kind of the odd man out when Pokemon and Digimon were in their heyday. I don't remember much of the show, but 20 years later I STILL play the Monster Rancher games. There's even a Discord where we hold fan tournaments regularly.
The main gimmick of the Monster Rancher games was being able to generate a monster by putting CDs into your console to see what you might get. As far as actual gameplay goes, they mostly focused around you staying on your Ranch, and gradually training over the course of years as your Monster slowly goes through different stages of their life. Actual battles were uncommon, and were more or less real time, but could get pretty tense in the closing moments of a match. One thing I appreciated about the MR games was that each iteration tried different things to keep the core gameplay fresh, even if it didn't always turn out well.
I would also recommend Jade Cocoon, but that only had two games, which both had their own ups and downs to them. Jade Cocoon 1 is much more of an RPG, and generally has a serious atmosphere, but it's relatively short and bare-bones. Jade Cocoon 2 has alot more things to do, but feels a bit like Pokemon with it's designs and overall more cartoony tone.
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Very nice video (as pretty much always coming from you), your take on the series is very refreshing.
I'd love to personally see a full-fledged Pokémon Conquest title. The gameplay was really really cool making it a full title on the switch with more depth to it could really be amazing, I love TRPG so much and Pokémon has so much content by default just with the sheer number of Pokémon it can make for really great battles (and again, Conquest was pretty fun despite its lack of depth).
When I was a kid I was a huge Pokemon fanatic, but right now I can confidently say: Digimon > Pokemon
I always get excited when a new Digimon game gets announced nowadays, in contrast to whenever a Pokemon game gets announced I'm usually like "oh, this one has better graphics. neat".
Digimon "grew up" with its audience because it more or less had to. It was always the awkward third wheel when it comes to Mon series. The most successful iteration of the series was the Adventure 01 years. Digimon: The Movie even got a theatrical release in American Theaters. They tried the Pokemon thing with Adventure 02 and failed miserably.
So they figured, okay. We're never going to match the popularity of Adventure 01, so we'll just go ahead and make the franchise go with that audience who like Adventure 01. In short, Digimon gave up grabbing new demographics, turning Digimon into the niche and sad state its in today. Digimon will never be big except with those who already liked it in the first place back in 2000.
I think Yo-Kai Watch and the mobile world are bigger defining factors in Gamefreak's new direction to dumb down and increase the hand-holding of the Pokemon series. Yo-Kai Watch is a major hit in Japan, certainly enough for GF to take notice. Hence the overabundance of railroading and appealing to rope in more children with the Modern titles.
Yet they missed the point why Yokai watch was a success, it offered something new and it had an actual story, unlike pokemon.
"They tried the Pokemon thing with Adventure 02 "
How did they do that exactly? It's been a while since I watched Adventure 02...
@@DrawciaGleam02 02 was plagued with two directors fighting each other with which way the series was going to go.
i don't get why everyone gets mad at handholding it doesnt bother me at all i just skip (maybe if i reset the game but if i play for the first it doesnt bother me at all)
@@Nomstero because it treats the player base like idiots and no one likes being treated like an idiot.
I can still remember that the Red and Blue Version were quite difficult when choosing Charmander as a starter, but even as a 10-year-old I was able to overcome that hurdle (without internet or guidebook). In the Yellow Version they have already solved this "problem" by putting Menki on Route 22 and by allowing both Nidoran's to learn Double Kick at level 12.
Small thing: They didn't "get" the main voice behind Digimon Tamers: Chiaki J. Konaka, but rather: Chiaki happened to write some of the best stuff from the second season, and approached the higher ups because he *really* wanted to do it. He saw a lot of opportunities to do things that he was interested in.
Recently, I've been playing Cyber Sleuth and when you about halfway through the game, bosses can take party members down in 1-hit if you make a couple of poor decisions, even if you're severely overleveled
I like modern Pokémon but I agree that it has to stop holding your hand. They should put a difficulty setting in there so the newcomers can use the easy mode to get the hang of it and hardcore fans like myself can play without it being dumbed down.
Im just hoping that Gen 8 improves on alot of the last few years if pokemon’s problems instead of just being endless cutscenes, linearity, and hand-holding.
It seems that Digimon might be the game to scratch the itch I got from the performance of Pokemon games. I have noticed from gen 6 & 7 that I was getting patronised a lot more, but I also noticed that Pokemon games gen 3 upwards have a lot of hand-holding and tutorial sections. I noticed this when trying to play randomised nuzlockes. Gen 1 and 2 had the least amount of hand-holding in favour of leaving tutorial sections somewhat to the side and saying "You don't want us to teach you absolutely everything and actually know a little about what you're doing? Cool, just call us if you get stuck"
Also, yes, I am rather disappointed in what the Mystery Dungeon series has become. I liked Super, but 10/22 chapters are just a tutorial.
Gen 7 had lots of tutorials and linear progression yes, but at the same time the difficulty curve of the battles increased significantly, with you actually falling behind in levels if you didn't use your Exp. Share and being at a severe disadvantage without certain types of Pokemon. Heck even with a type advantage a lot of the later Totem Pokemon could sweep your team if not careful! So really it isn't that much that Pokemon is "dumbing down", more like experienced fans are leaving Pokemon behind faster than Pokemon can catch up. In Let's Go Nintendo said "fuck it, lets try something different" and the internet had a tantrum because change is bad.
Literally Z moves and Rotom powers make most fights a pushover
Tell that to Totem Marowak, Totem Mimikyu, Totem Kommo-o, Totem Ribombee and Ultra Necrozma
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And Totem Araquanid, Totem Togedemaru, and most of the Rainbow Rocket bosses.
The Cyber Sleuth games are SO freakin' good.
also, the difference between pokemon and digimon is that bandai namco is so fan friendly they actually hold contests where fans can create new digimon and the winning digimon will eventually be made into actual digimon for the franchise but the pokemon company and Nintendo are not fan friendly at all
What's crazy as well is how much polish Digimon typically has compared to Pokemon. Digimon games don't usually have the sort of budget Pokemon does yet Bamco makes these games quite dynamic. One complaint I always had was how stiff battles are in Pokemon. Animations are so limited and have been since...well...1998, in Pokemon. Yet Cyber Sleuth gives every Digimon in the game a handful of unique animations. They get movement when following you, unique special attack animations, a single unique animation for using inherited abilities, KO poses, fall down/get back up animations when critted, and victory screens should they be the one to land the final blow.
I mean, Christ. One could argue they only put about a third of the amount of monsters as Pokemon per game but even THEN. Since Game Freak is going limited on the Pokemon this time, this would be the time to do this very thing. Build up some assets and build more for the next game while porting in others. Shield/Sword could have been a stellar building block for the future of the franchise on Switch. Instead...it's just...the same game beat for beat. It's just....lazy. Plain and simple.
Everyone you said is true, Game Freak have gotten very complacent, they know they can throw out any old trash and it will sell, just look at Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, one of the worst most shameless cash-ins I have ever witnessed in the gaming industry. Digimon games are different a lot of the time, and whilst I don't always like every style they put out, I do have to give them props for being creative and trying new things. Pokemon's idea of a "New thing" is making the games even easier than they were aready, which is honestly pretty shocking considering how damn easy they all are anyway.
Been a lifelong fan of both series, and although Digimon games petered out til the DS ones came out again( DW4 suuuucked), then they got better again. It's like, besides the beginning when both had great games, the better Pokemon ones got, the more Digimon games declined but when Pokemon started stagnating and getting redundant? Digimon games soared again.
Personally, I've always been a fan of hit or miss, over stagnating/boring. It's also why even Harvest Moon(now Story of Season) games, the mechanics outside of farming, the towns etc often changed up after the first few entries. They adapted and improved(usually) instead of getting complacent and stagnating. (Unlike the new Natsume knock off HMs.)
I thought World 4 was okay.
The axing of random encounters might work for Pokemon, I mean is it really that fun to spam run button and circling to find that 3% chance pokemon? Maybe have a option to sneak past them and bait them in order to find the right one
You made a great point I never even thought about stuff like this
I was feeling you until you said, “I’m still a Pokémon boy.” I’ve never felt like I had to choose between the two of them. I like Digimon, but I also like Pokémon. I have some of the cards, I used to watch the anime, I’ve seen some of the movies, and I’ve played some of the games.
The only reason I dropped Pokémon is because some of it became harder for me to access. I don’t have cable, so when the anime moved from Kids WB, I couldn’t watch it anymore. And I don’t have some of the consoles I need to play these newer games. (Same with the Digimon games, too. I haven’t played Cyber Sleuth or Next Order.)
Because this happened just as I was getting more into Pokémon, my interest faded to the point where I don’t actively seek it out anymore. But I had already built an attachment to Digimon. Still, I kinda wanna get back into Pokémon. I don’t see a problem with liking both because I like them for different reasons.
What Pokémon has that Digimon doesn’t is an ever-expanding world that you feel like you can be a part of. You get to explore, capture your own Pokémon, win badges, and go on adventures just like Ash. Digimon has tried to do that in their games, too, but something about it has never felt as exciting to me (except in World 3 - I loved that game). Maybe that’s because of the anime. Collecting monsters for battle isn’t what it’s about, so the games feel disconnected from the anime. With Pokémon, what you see in the anime is what you get to do in the games.
My point is if you saw something you liked in Digimon, why can’t you enjoy both? Why do you have pledge allegiance to one series or the other?
Good questions!
Digimon I feel has some nostalgia-pandering now and again, with including more early gen digimon in their recent games, as well as multiple forms for Omnimon and a few others.
They probably do that now because they reached well over 1,300 digimon up to this point and probably decided to hold off on making any more for the time being.
It’d be great if they used a bigger chunk of their lesser known digimon in the newer games however - some have only been debuted in the TCG and nowhere else. For years.
Hmm, this video popped up in my recommended. Well done indeed, back in the day I watched both pokemon and digimon. Each provided something different that I liked, Digimon satisfied my need for story completion and slightly more serious tone. Lately as an adult I've felt the need to revisit digimon.
What do you mean by the quality went down in Gen 5. While there may have been some things that some people didn't like, I would say there was still a lot of quality work put into making those games (It's X and Y onwards where the quality drops off like a rock in the ocean on all things except for mechanics and visuals).
Well shit those Digimon games looked like fun, now I gotta try them!
Heed thy warning
Vpet style games like Next 0rder are far too unwelcoming to vpet virgins
So if you do plan on playing it
Watch stat guides like those from MrW01fy and dont ragequit
Because they really defined "hell" in early game hell
It is super fun but its super hard for those who have no prior experience with digimon world 1 or the vpet devices
i had beaten pokemon platinum and soulsilver
when is was 4
and i didn't speak English
kids don't need this handholding
and some KIDS would even get bored from the handholding
I love Cyber Sleuth it's awesome.
which music tracks are used in this video?
The fact that verlisify exists at all makes me sad.
I find it so odd that so many companies feel compelled to just continually ignore very devoted fans feedback, just because they're a minority.
I understand optimizing your use of resources, there's definitely reasonable limits, but if it's something relatively easily doable, like a Battle Frontier for example, shouldn't you just give it a shot?
There's a reason that extremely old games are still relevant, and it's because people *do* still play them, not very many necessarily, but the fact that people even care is incredibly huge for games that are pushing 25-30 years since release.
It's listening to the people that *really* care about your game that makes lasting, positive legacies for titles, and that sounds like good marketing to me.
Even then, there's the element that no one even asked for the Delta Episode, it seemed natural that the Battle Frontier would be there, and then it's just... not? Like what motivated them to choose that over the, seemingly, easier option of just reusing an old concept? Y'know, the one that was there originally, people were asking for, and they did a callout too... for some reason.
...Tbh, I'm just salty no Battle Frontier.
Digimon World 1 is still one one my favorite games ever
My favorite Digimon are Impmon, and Beelzemon because he is the best character in Tamers!! I also like Gomamon!!