Hubert Dreyfus - The Mystery of Existence
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- If all that exists-everything imaginable, physical and nonphysical-is 'something'. Why is there 'something' rather than 'nothing'? Wouldn't 'nothing' be simpler than any sort of 'something'? It's a haunting wonderment.
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It appears from the comments that this man's answer was misunderstood. There are and will always be limits to human knowledge. At those limits, lies the threshold of Mystery. Mysteries such as this cannot be solved with rationality alone. They can, however, be known (experienced) thru participation. This is essentially the mystic path that was implied in his answer.
Ok, this is exactly the same conclusion I've reached. It drives me mad. What can I do?
Lauris Olups, we can either struggle to find an unknowable answer or surrender into the unknown. When we embrace the mystery of "existence", while letting go of the need to figure it out... we allow the mystery to reveal itself to us. Then see what happens?? There is never a final answer... only an unfolding revelation. That's been my experience.
@@ADBCSH-je7uj beautifully written. I think you really understand Heidegger and Dreyfus' message.
What was the painting he mentioned?
Why questions are of two distinct kinds; How?, and From what intent/to what end?
Given enough time and distance the ratio of something to nothing tends to zero
Correct.
Being is time, and being doesn't flow.
Who is the interviewer, please?
Robert Lawrence Kuhn
I think he is trying to say is that the answer is out of reach, a pure waste of time and resourses,
It is better just to enjoy !!
Like a Zen koan, eat the strawberry.
Modern science says that from a rapidly expanding singularity everything in existence in this universe, including the forces of nature that it operates by, all came into existence, including us and our consciousness.
Now, do we and everything in this universe even exist per se, or does only the singularity exist in the form of all things, including us and our consciousness?
the answer is magic. because not everything can have a reasonable answer aka oh that's what it was etc.
Tethloach1
And you can come up with that reasonable answer how?
Charles Brightman I never suggested that I had a reasonable answer, you can replace magic with , I don't know or could it have been any other way? or why not or that's just the way things are etc.
Tethloach1
That sounds reasonable. So, do we even exist or does only the singularity exist as us? We may possibly never know for sure.
Charles Brightman I actually realized that I can't be certain about anything. when I was 100% certain some blond chick completely turned that 100% certainty upside down. a little bit of doubt is okay I guess, because phenomenon's exist and that is enough to leave humans with pause.
Isn’t the evidence enough?
Can we deny our own existence and the human nature and the consciousness of good and evil within ourselves?
Our struggle for the right and just and our appreciation of love and harmony.
Our quest for happiness and joy.
The laughter of a child and the resilience of the young.
The sacrifices of the parents and the satisfaction of the souls.
The struggle of the hearts and minds.
The perfection of the human body and the delicately balanced ecosystem.
The colorful birds and fishes and the roaring tigers and trumpeting Elephants.
The sun the moon the stars the galaxies the milky ways.
The mountains the rain forests.
Our own life and than death.
Just an accident?
Where?Why?When?
All without a purpose?
All without a reason?
All without accountability?
One God
Greater than all the creation
Greater than all imaginable
@Ariiel11RP The Supreme Creator is INFINITE in power, INFINITE in love, INFINITE in mercy, and INFINITE in BEING. My FINITE grandmother had 11 kids and ALL were precious in her sight. In the sight of an INFINITE CREATOR whose BEING IS INFINITE LOVE, it would be contrary to His nature not to have an INFINITE INTEREST in each and everything He has made. He is INFINITELY INTERESTED in you and made a way for you to exist INFINITELY with Him throught the sacrifical death of His dear Son on Calvary.
The answer why there's something rather than nothing: If there's nothing there, the meaning of nothingness can't exist either. This is the reason why something is there, rather than nothing. Simple math logic!
If nothing is there, then nothing exists. Nothing is not "a thing". Meaning is gone. Things are gone. Everything is gone. There is nothing. Simple "math logic"!
Pollen Applebee Please read my comment properly, thx!
Peacekeeper Please graduate from high school, thx!
Pollen Applebee The meaning of a car is: ... The meaning of a house is: ... The meaning of nothingness is: ... Nothingness doesn't allow itself to be. What do you not understand? It's obvious!
Hogwash; another lame cop out, another example of let's dodge that question, another case of I'm going to quote Heidegger and turn a legitimate philosophical inquiry into a 'that's not a meaningful question' because you're in it! And I thought Linde's answer to the same question was shamelessly lame! Dreyfus' definitely takes the cake! We're in a gravitational field too, but that doesn't mean we couldn't contemplate on an anti-gravitational technology. Not that Nothingness is necessarily the opposite of Being, or it could even be held in the mirror of Being, but you get the idea. I really wonder if Dreyfus (a.k.a. Mr. I'm a Heidegger expert) even read (and more importantly understood) Heidegger's 'Introduction to Metaphysics' and 'Being and Time'? Why don't these characters just come out and say: Contemplating on this question is beyond my intellectual and otherwise abilities, instead of trying to dodge it by dismissing the inquiry as meaningless or wrong? For one thing, if it were so meaningless or wrong, why should so many people have such inexplicably strong 'feelings' about it?
What caused causation?
@@qwertychat Death is the road to awe!
My theory is this: Absolute nothingness -- no space and no time -- is impossible. To have "something" is the natural state of things, even if it's just empty space. Try to imagine no space and no time, complete nothingness. It's impossible to do that, because to imagine it is to imagine something. My gut tells me that the Big Bang is not the start of space and time. Perhaps it is the start of our space and time in this universe, but it came from somewhere else. And none of this has anything to do with the Abrahamic god. That god does not exist.
Your reasoning could work towards a conclusion of *Idealism*. Think about it: you could say absolute non-consciousness -- no perceptions and no ideas -- is impossible. You cannot actually conceive of mind-independent objects, that is, objects existing unperceived and unthought of because in order to
conceive of any such things, we must ourselves be conceiving of them. Any object you describe is ultimately just a description of sense experience and is just an idea in the mind. Perhaps only consciousness exists and maybe all of this is a product of a mind like God.
I'm not saying that consciousness has to exist, I'd have to think about that. I'm saying that at the very least, there must be space. It can be empty, but even empty space is something. As for your closing comment, your "maybe" to my way of seeing things, is very far-fetched. One of the biggest problems of going down that road, is that people aren't content with keeping it vague. Hence gods are created by humans which then become standard bearers for specific groups. The us/them mentality soon follows. Believe or die. Believe or burn in hell. Justify a wrong by claiming your god demands it. Manifest destiny. Live by my rules which I say my god created. And if this god exists why is there not only one set of clear instructions from it? And on and on. I hope I haven't misrepresented what you meant.
brigham2250 Well try to imagine a world without consciousness: you simply can't. Any thought or idea will take place from a perspective of an agent and it's inconceivable to think otherwise. At the very least there must be consciousness. I don't see what's far-fetched about this at all. I will say that it seems you're committing the slippery slope fallacy in regards to belief in God: it doesn't make people violent or lead down a road of evil. That's just how humans are, belief in God or not (need I remind you the horrors communist atheist dictators committed in the 20th century...?). My point was simply that Idealism makes far more sense than what your presenting, and in light of Idealism theism isn't a leap at all.
Monistic Idealism
I see it differently.
I can imagine a world without consciousness. We are in this world and I am imagining another world (as in the multiverse) in which there is nothing, just empty space but no consciousness to observe it. But if I try to imagine total nothingness, that's where I hit a brick wall. I don't expect you to agree. I also don't understand why you need to add any god to your theories. However, I have no desire to deny you the right to do so. Go at it.
Lies.
He did not answer the question. lame
the answer is magic.
He did. He said that because we can never step outside of existence, we can never answer the question of existence. All our experiences and knowledge are all within existence and not outside of it.