Highway Range Test Battle! Old vs New Audi E-Tron - Here's How Much Farther The Q8 Goes On A Charge
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- čas přidán 25. 09. 2023
- Kyle and Alyssa head out in two Audi e-trons, the first being a 2019 55 Prestige and the second being a 2024 Q8 e-tron 55 Prestige. Let's see how much farther the new car goes on a charge!
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It's a long range test but there were two cars and a doggo! Don't worry, if you don't want to watch the full video someone will definitely leave the results in the comments below... However, for the true Out of Spec viewers, I think the video is interesting enough to grab some popcorn and settle in!
You had me at Doggo 🐾🐾❤
Please be safe and use a gopro or mounted camera. One-handed distracted driving does no favors for anyone. Cheers!
I just made some popcorn for this lol
Watched it all the way through and a great video overall. Lots and lots of specs an nerdy content and was fun to watch. Thanks Kyle and crew!!
JORDAN IS BACK?!?!? WOOOOOO
Honestly the 2019 is probably the best used EV you can buy today. Still looks almost exactly the same as the 2024 model, still has better tech than the vast majority of vehicles on the road, still looks amazing and the 2019 can be bought for just $30-40K. Probably the best bang for your buck overall in the EV world, can’t think of any other used EV that would be better.
For $30-40k you can buy a new Tesla which is better in everything
@@igortrenchuk I wouldn’t want a Tesla even if it was free but thanks. I prefer luxury and quality, not cheap plastic and cheapest, most minimal materials possible. There’s a reason why new Teslas are so cheap.
I honestly agree. I owned a Premium Plus E-Tron. And to the gentleman who said a new Tesla for 30-40k. The E-tron is bigger than a 3 or Y. The cabin is dead silent like a luxury vehicle, metal accents on the window switches and little knick knacks feel amazing and don’t fade or break like plastic would. I’ve driven a Y and the regen and drive feel is night and day. Plus the air suspension eats up any uncomfortable bumps. Not accounting that the sound system is based around the cars acoustics which is one of the best. I had a 2018 S4 which is the same speaker number and B&O but didn’t even hold a candle to the E-Tron. They’re two different vehicles. It’s comparing a Honda Civic to a German luxury car. Not saying the Tesla is bad, it’s a great economical vehicle is easily attainable but they if you can snag used one that is CPO’d then the E-Tron every time. I was paying $530 with tax on a lease for it. Got a crazy discount during Covid. I had to return it and miss it every day. But the Q8 E-Trons are getting crazy discounts right now and going for $499 again in CA. I’ve been waiting on it. Just giving my take. They’re both great at what they do.
@@igortrenchuklol, a Tesla is very far from being "better in everything". Mechanics, comfort and overall quality is in a different league. The 3 or Y are shitty budget cars compared to the etron.
@@lt6532 lol comfort? With just 180 miles of range? What quality are you referring to? Leather? Wood trims? I prioritize performance and the ability to travel anywhere using superchargers over those “quality”. I appreciate the quality and materials of Tesla. At a price of $40k (considering the $7500 tax credit), you get much more car than any other carmaker can offer at that price point.
36:51 Oh hell no, Audi sportbacks look amazing!
Jordan is back! I thought he'd been banished after the plaid incident! So glad to see he's back
I doubt Kyle banished Jordan. The insurer most likely had something to do with it. I think Kyle mentioned in another video he was looking for a new carrier...
Kyle is a Kind and Merciful King.
This is the Walter content we have all been wanting!!
THANK YOU for this video! We have a 19 Prestige too and I have been looking forward to this video for a while.
Fantastic test with a interesting result! Really like this test when you drive cars together. It makes the result so much more valid since there is almost always different conditions.
A couple of things
1. The Q8 s-line has Adaptive Air Suspension Sport. The e-tron has Adaptive Air Suspension. The regular Q8 has Adaptive Air Suspension. This makes the difference in comfort. It is not related to Q8
2. You can access charge statues from the bottom screen. There is a shortcut with a plug symbol. Awsome job @kyleConner and team
One of the best online tests ever! Even the dog did awsome!
the etron does also have air suspension.. or Am I wrong
Both have air suspension
@@gr8icu yes, but the Q8 has the sport version of it. It is stiffer. I have own e-tron with both types
Imagine doing your first DC fast charge and getting help from Kyle 😂
Tire tread wear makes a difference in both efficiency and reported efficiency. As the tire wears, two things happen: The thinner tread squirms less under load, reducing heat losses, and the tire gets harder with age, reducing rolling resistance. A worn tire also weighs less (sometimes by several pounds per wheel, and that's unspung rotational weight), and the slightly reduced circumference means the car reports slightly higher speed and longer distance for the same actual distance and energy used, which slightly skews reported efficiency (different than actual efficiency). A small change in circumference from new to old tires (easily on the order of a centimeter per revolution) really can add up over hundreds of miles. As with a gas car, the only way to truly measure efficiency is to charge to 100%, measure distance via only GPS, then charge to 100% again and calculate by actual watts used for actual miles traveled. The car can only guess at actual miles traveled and therefore can only guess at efficiency. It wouldn't surprise me if all of these factors added up to the older car on old worn tires reporting slightly higher efficiency than the new car on new tires. Put both cars on new tires and I bet the old car slips behind the new one in efficiency.
We have a 2019 etron premium plus package we just purchased used with 28,000 miles on it and we are consistently getting 3.0 to 3.1 on highway runs between 70 and 75 mph. I think the main difference is we do not use auto AC we just turn on the AC when we need and turn off the AC when we don't need and possibly less weight not being a prestige package. Our etron has the Perrelli Scorpion Zero tires and these tires are awesome literally feel no drag with these tires.
You mentioned a while back having a software/hardware package for the suspension, I hope we eventually get a video discussing that a bit more (fellow e-tron owners like me would love to hear what you used and your experience!)
Just bought my wife a 2019 Prestige for 33k. She loves it and its still covered under warranty. It's a win win.
Was it a CPO or did you have it looked at by another dealer before buying? I’m in the market
@@chrisconover it was a CPO from Audi.
Battery % is one button push away on the Q8 eTron (as it was on the earlier model). In the old etron you can add your battery % in shortcuts making it one button push away. In the q8 eTron, battery % is one button push away on the bottom central screen, middle at the top. It shows a cable and plug and pressing that gets you straight to % battery. I've just swapped from eTron 55 sportback to Q8 eTron estate. No change in efficiency but I get around 65 miles more range from my (very cheap) off peak charging which, on road trips, means lower overall cost. It doesn't offset the additional cost of a new car but I like getting new cars 🙂. On UK cars you can swipe the map and we get the fancy headlights, but no massage even on top spec models, not sure why, maybe it's the sports seats.
Looks like this Q8 has Homelink where the battery shortcut would be (12:02). I prefer CCS2 with Supercharger access, matrix headlights, interactive maps, over the US spec 😅 Also: the Sportback looks better I think, and has more range compared to the Estate. The charging curve difference is interesting, Bjorn Nyland didn't experience that in his test, another US-specific issue?
Hi
I had a sportback and quite like the change to estate, to be honest, I'm easy either way. I hadn't noticed the homelink thing but in US can you not then add the % charging page to your shortcuts? I did this on the old etron but no need on the Q8. As far as I am concerned having done 56,000 miles in the old one and only 2,000 in the new one (across Europe), no perceived change in ride quality/noise etc and charging is just as good. Slightly different charging, faster in the low/mid range but still good at 70%s, 80%s and 90%s.@@lmjabreu
I’m waiting for my Q8 estate to be built, went for the black edition but was surprised to see it doesn’t come with HUD etc without adding optional packs.
I hope you can do this for the Polestar 2, the new LRSM (RWD) vs. old LRSM (FWD).
Finally! The video I have been waiting for! I don't think the switch is worth at this time. We need more range to justify switching from the greatly depreciated etron to the Q8 etron. Also regarding the leather dash popping off, it is a popular occurrence on most Prestige trims Audi cars with the leather package, happened to me on a 2020 A7 and 2021 A6, skipped leather package on the etron because of that.
Good video, and interesting too. I’ve been on two road trips in my 2019 e-tron since i got it a year ago, and got 260 and 280 miles respectively in efficiency mode, around 65mph, although true average speed was lower because of i95 congestion around DC metro area, which is probably why my range was better. In efficiency mode, I routinely get 2.9m/kWh, although I generally drive in Individual mode with. Sports steering, comfort everything else. I get around 220 to 230 miles in mixed driving. Definitely would not be worth upgrading to a Q8, but then again, the only reason I can afford this is because it was a 2019, and I got it in November 2022 (with 10k miles on it). Love the e-tron. By far the nicest EV I’ve owned of the 3 I’ve owned (Tesla Model Y LR, Hyundai Ioniq 5 Limited and this). Looking forward to driving it many more miles, and even if I wasn’t, I’m underwater now due to its insane continued drop in value, so couldn’t afford to trade it in even if I wanted to.
It fascinates me how women can enjoy life and be fulfilled without being in the least interested in tech and gadgets yet find the time to dutifully support us guys in our tech obsessions.
This is so cool I was looking at an e-tron this morning on my way to work and the back looked very different to the old 2019 it looked bigger to me did not have the roof rails
What Alyssa says about old Etron sounding better than new one, in my understanding, comes from the difference in sound deafening and comfort in older one being better, it does insulate outside noise better thus allowing Kyle to claim a better sound experience in older Etron. That means that engineers of Etron do not lie about the underpinnings of newer sound system being the same as older one.
What’s different w the sound deadening?
@@Wasabi9111 The quieter the car the better and clearer is perceived the sound system.
2024 Audi Q8 etron here. I charged to 99% before my trip. I hit 306 miles going from Atlanta to Charlotte. I was in dynamic mode the entire time however, I drove a safe distance behind tractor trailers when possible, I manually regened wherever possible, and I coasted whenever possible.
I really hate all the gloss interior surfaces in new(er) Audis. That alone would make me look elsewhere. Tesla can be faulted for many things, but this is one area they listened to consumers and I am so happy they did.
Just starting to watch the test but LOVING Walter!!
The old gen etron was driven with E - efficiency, vs the new gen etron D - efficiency, having D vs E drives are different, D is a more aggressive and responsive drive, E isn’t…. If you floor the pedal on D - Efficiency vs E - efficiency, you can tell the difference. I owned a 21 chronos etron and I can see the difference between the 2 modes, not sure if that contributed on the efficiency but it could be.
I also noticed wind resistance plays a major role in range. Less traffic = less range. Traffic almost creates a wind tunnel. It was a fun trip from Atl to VA back to Atl. No charging issues at all. Electrify America all the way and back.
Clearly the old E-tron was advantaged by walter providing it with emotional support.
How does one know if their etron has had the update to unlock the extra battery capacity to 86Kwh? Is there a way to look at logs in the vehicle?
I’d love to know this too
Me too!! If I buy a used I would like to know if it’s done
Great to watch. Would love to see a comparison between my 2021 etron 55 and the new Q8 50. Both have 95kwh gross.
Given the difference in charging curves, would be interesting to see 80% on the 2024 vs 100% charging on 2019
80% on the Q8 is roughly between 200 and 220 miles on the 2019 eTron it is roughly between 190 and 215 miles. I owned a 2019 prestige and now own a 2024 Q8 eTron.
Fastned have the curves for the new Q8s. The new 50 has the same curve as my 2021 55. The new 55 has a higher peak but it drops off below 80%.
Great video, I was looking to upgrade from my 2022 tron sportback to the new 2024 model but after watching this video I think I will stick with my 2022 e-tron. I did not release running in efficiency mode would make a big difference in range. I will have to test this on my vehicle.
Perfect video given I just retuned a 2019 eTron for a 2024. I was expecting a much larger difference in range than your test. Guess Audi was way conservative on the 2019 range.
The extended range on the 2024 means I can take it on some local trips without having to think about charging and that makes the car much more usable.
38:36 Old battery is probably even worth more because all of the cobalt and reliable charge curve 😂
Maybe its just me but it sure did look like the old Etron was drafting the new Q8 the whole time going up hill. They show the Merc going around to dodge the draft, so maybe it just wasn't shown? I know with SUVs even the slightest draft makes huge gains in MPG..
Thanks for the comparison. We have a '22 e-tron, and I'd been curious if the charging curve changed with the renamed '24 model. We rarely drive long distances, and prefer to drive our Taycan when we do, so range isn't a huge issue for our use case.
Wow, you likely have over $200k just in cars, a depreciating asset. I'd love to see the rest of your portfolio!
You should see the airplane. ;) On a serious note, it took a lot of years of sacrifices to get where these things don't matter anymore. @@brianb5723
Bruh, you literally have my (obtainable) dream garage. I want a Q8 E-tron with a Taycan.
Yep also have a 2022 E-Tron. And long range driving is not ideal. We only get about 215 miles range with about 2.4mi/kwh. Only thing I do not like about the E-Tron. And I don’t really care too much about charging speeds, in as much as I care about range and efficiency.
I love y'all and your videos, but lets be honest, we're all watching for the footage of Walter!! haha
Really enjoyed the video! Thanks for pointing out the super low prices on the used e-trons! I'd totally be all over them if they had a nacs adapter and access to super chargers.
I saw a used 2019 audi etron for sale that had the same dash delamination issue. It must be a common issue.
I have a 2021 55 sportback, love the car! Plenty of range even for road tripping. Greetings from London
Was this video filmed a while back? Aren't you still in Europe? I thought you went there to go to the auto show in Germany, but I haven't seen any videos from that yet.
My 2019 etron prestige did the same bubble on the dash but in two places. The other was in the center of the dash and created a large ridge that came and went with temperature changes. Luckily Audi replaced it for free, but not under warranty. They said its not covered under normal warranty but it was a one time good faith repair by Audi.
Even with the shorter range and the few issues ive had the with Etron, i still absolutely love it. Just bought a 2023 Model Y for a second car, but the Etron is still the preferred EV for the house. Gotta love that flat charging curve, much more empressive than the Tesla.
Thanks Kyle. Great insights into Audi E-trons and my search ended with this video. Changed 2 Tesla's in 2023. Finally got this exact Q8 E-tron (exact configuration down to launch edition) after trading in Model Y performance. Funny thing is- now they both got same EPA mileage, 285. That being said, I never pulled 200 miles in daily driving (80 to 10) on Model Y. With E-tron I am able to. Tesla ranges are over stated.
Any concerns about the recalls for all 2019-22 hi voltage battery recall and no available solution. NHTSA is stating it is fire hazard for rapidly discharging battery casing overheat. Also another recall for 240 charger with melting charge cord.
HI ! which color was the Q8 ..? seeing the cockpit bubleing on etron shock me.. any reason therefore..?
What happens to the efficiency if all the tires have the same pressure?
Thank you!
This test is great for comparing these cars. The new one really goes 65miles further, or 29% further.
So the numbers presented don't really add up given that usable capacity is "only" 22.5% more and if it is also less efficient, how can it then go a whooping 29% further? 290miles/106kWh usable=2.74 miles/kWh in the new Q8. While 224.6/86.5=2.60 miles/kWh in the old e-tron 55... That has the new one more efficient. But I guess we have to factor in the degradation in the older car and heatloss that the efficiency numbers in the screen.
So if we instead use the efficiency numbers from the cars (I think I saw 3.0 miles/kWh when Alyssa parked up) and factor in a 3% heat loss during highway driving we get 1.03*290/2.9=103kWh usable in the Q8 (sounds about right) Vs 1.03*224.6/3.0=77kWh usable, not 86.5 in the old e-tron... That's just about10% degradation on a 3 year old car which seems to be what one can expect on the modern batteries, and after that it seems to level out.
Never the less, the test is very much valid and really shows the difference between buying a new Vs a 3 year old one. 29% longer range (if you actually need it). For an even more perfect comparison you could all have turned around together with Alyssa but then continued driving on the highway when she turned off empty, that way you would all have experienced the exact same outside conditions and you'd really be able to compare consumption side by side during the whole distance Alyssa could drive the old e-tron.
But as you say, roadtripability has more to do with the charging curve, how many kWh you can push in to the battery in a short time, and efficiency. So looking forward to the 10% challenge. I believe they both should do about the same as the curves are so similar low down. The magic is the flat curve and the fact that you get about 5miles/8km of range for every minute you are plugged in below 75% (@80mph/130km/h), so it doesn't really matter when on the curve you take that comfort break and charge on your journey.
New V/s old, the much better curve at high SOC on the old one really means that the new one really only becomes relevant if you regularly can make use of that initial first leg range, or if there's more than 160miles/260km between chargers enroute in the summer, or I'd say 100miles/160km real world windy winter, or if you tow or have things on the outside. They truly are great cars, both used and new, as long as there are vacant HPC chargers that work...
You’re not in proper economy unless you’ve got E on the dash instead of D. Completely changes the throttle response and the top end power.
Can I please ask what is the setup you use for Walter? Would a crate fit in the car? Otherwise what do you use?
Hey Kyle I love the videos, they are making me excited about getting an E Tron when I get back to the states. How would you rate the 2021/2022 for under 40k??? Worth it?
21:07 Are they on a concrete road? Are those still common in the U.S.? I can only remember riding on them here in The Netherlands with my parents when I was still a little boy and that’s about 50 years ago.
I'm looking for a 2019-2022 etron Premium Plus. Which year would be the best to get?
I'm in Fairfield and love EVs. I have a 2022 Model 3 LR. I know your dad is in Darien so you get CT content but I'd totally be willing to be the OOS CT Guy.
Thanks!
What tires are on the Q8? You get way better than I do, granted my so-called "tests" are just real world driving and using the air a bit more. But I almost never see better than 2.6 mi/kwh, whether that's cruising on the highway or driving in the city. Mine has the 21inch 5 spoke wheels (different than yours), and I replaced the factory Hankook tires with Michelin Cross Climate 2 pretty much right after we got it.
Tire, that’s why. Tire can easily make 15% difference. In his test, new tire might also be a big factor compared to Alyssa’s old car
when you drive in a pack at this speed, no drag/slip effects?
Just bought a 2023 Audi 55 e-tron in August, not the Q8. We received €13.000 discount due to the Q8 e-tron being out. Had the 2021 KIA Niro EV.
PS: Using SMATRICS Austria for charging, have a 2 year old Programm, where I pay significantly less per kWh, than the average in EU (fast charging around €0,25/1kWh) due to the e-tron capability to hold the curve.
How much was the etron?
If I could get a etron 55 for 30000 dolar in Austria ...I will buy one right away....
They gave you 15% off ?! Thats insane
Worth it for 26:09 alone!
Know that trip too well, used to turn at Kimball NE, to go to my old home. Sidney supercharger is a V2, been there multiple times, so it will be a Tesla only charger until they upgrade.
Over the last 20k miles on my 2021 e tron I have averaged 2.5miles per kW, but never drive in eco mode. Seems the make a big difference. Lease is ending soon and audi claims current trade is $31k. Lease end residual is 36k. Definitely good value if buying second hand.
This is the video I’ve been waiting for im very tempted to trade in my 22 long range model w for a used etron.
Kyle, I am following all your videos and comparing my Etron to yours. I have basically identical car (i have grey instead of black), with 28k on it, and I am getting little worried here. Mine's range is diminishing very aggressively. I only get (last charged to 80%) 155miles/80% and mostly only about 170-180 miles of range on fully charged to 100%. I drive it empty, with mostly only me driving (175lbs), without roof rack. Even it shows max 192 miles at full charge at 100%, it drops 30 miles or so almost instantly after only few couple of miles driving. I am very worried as my warranty is about to expire in December. What are your thoughts? (last yearly checkup in August, they claimed everything is perfectly fine). - (I have slight whining noise coming from rear right axle, like electrical grinding noise. Could be a drag issue? they checked it and told me seems fine even though they hear it) Give me your thoughts... what should I do?
I would at a minimum bring it to a different Audi dealer to look at it
E-trons have 8 years or 100K miles battery warranty. Ask your delership to scan your battery for any dead cells, that might well be the case.
Glad to see Jordan back!
I just tried to do a Tesla Test drive in Houston, Texas. To my surprise all showrooms have no people or cars in the showroom. It looked like they were going out of business. All the the showroom/service centers for test drive are now virtual. If you want to talk to a human you can only visit with a Human at the Galleria store in Houston. Richmond, League City, Cypress, etc are only virtual. Looked like Tesla was on strike. As a stock holder it was scary. All posted sales positions have been put on hold in the greater Houston area.
Question
How are you able to lower it manually?
Thank you in advanced
Jordan is back! Is this for good?
How to get that software to unlock more battery capacity? I just bought this etron used , range is not its strong suit. 155 miles range daily @ 80%. Kinda tired of charging it everyday just so I can function without anxiety.
What's sticking off the Q8 roof at 41:16? Is that the cause of the few percent?
Take it to Europe and do same in winter time (-10 -15 Celsius). But do turn on heating while doing so.
Range reduced to 20-30% only. This is real life
The thin air must allow for better efficiency. My '21 on 21" wheels never got close to 3.0 mi/kWh on the highway and my Q8 on 21" wheels might get close to 3.0 when drving in 45-55 mph zones [with plenty of regen] here on the east coast near sea level.
What mode are you driving in? Ride height is worth 10% at highway speeds. If you are in Auto, e-Tron won't lower until 75 mph while Efficiency will lower the ride height at a lower speed and will go one level lower than Auto at highway speeds.
@@Ficon Efficiency all the time. Rear HVAC off. Front A/C 74 F. Most driivers on the eTron forum are seeing more like 2.5 mi/kWh.
@@BillB33525 The wheels might be part of it. I have a 2021 on 20s and my lifetime average is around 2.5 mi/kWh which includes sub-zero winters. I routinely exceed 3 mi/kWh in highway cruise in Dynamic.
@@Ficon Alyssa's car is on factory 21" wheels, she said very heavy campared to the Martian wheels.
@@BillB33525 Tire compound maybe then? I still have OEM Eagle Sport A/S. Hard to say if X-Ice SUV winter tires impact economy since the weather changes at the same time. They do make the car ride more nicely and quietly at least (no surprise, if GoodYears are round, that's all I can realistically expect of them).
I don’t understand the charging ports in front left where the cable goes around the open door/flap. 😢
Hi can you do a video of the AI Lane assist test and how it works,and how well the lane assist stays within the lanes,also if it detects cars from behind or motorbikes, Thank you
Hmmm, doesn't dynamic mode keep the Q8 lowered vs efficiency mode that lowers and raises based on speed?
Brand New to EV segment. Current Audi (2019 A5 Sportback) and BMW (2015 X3) owner; looking for a potential new EV replacement for X3, for my wife; torn between Q8 e-tron an BMW iX. Do you think you’ll do a similar comparison road/charging test between the two? Which do you think is the better option/ value, for a first time EV buyer? Great videos! Subscribed!
what kind upgrade for the battery software to increase you are talking about , I have similar Q8 e-tron 2024 Quattro 55 s-line but Iam only get 375KM only my battery 114 KW . no idea how to increase
What is the e-tron actually doing on efficiency mode? Is it becoming a 2 Wheel Drive I never really noticed very much difference
Makes the throttle sloppy, lowers the cars to lowest setting over 90kmh. Sets the AC to eco mode, whatever that means. Other than that nothing.
Uses only the rear motor until throttle is pressed quite deep. I've checked this via OBD and looking at front and rear motor data with different modes.
Whats the etron q8 range at 80 percent?
We need more Jordan on this channel!
Glad to see him again!
We are at 69% SOC in Dix!😆
Kyle - I love your channel and have been following a few years. Question for you…I was able to get a 2021 Audi Etron Premium Plus with 20k miles for a great deal. Its very clean and original owner was a leasee. Do you recommend/suggest I get the extended warranty through Audi? Do you recommend a 3rd party warranty? If so, who do you recommend? I plan to keep the car long term. I estimate my annual mileage to be around 5k. Please let me know your thoughts. Ty!!!!
Besides being in D mode and not E on the Q8 was 2019 in manual regen or automatic? That might make a difference in the range test? Odd the Q8 is less efficient. Also the use of the regen paddles, was Alyssa using the paddles too? My understanding on the Q8 the automatic is suppose to take into account map info too, so maybe it does a better job of regen than a human controlling it.
Maybe switch drivers and run the test again?
Are you guys using the word "efficiency" properly?
If I have a 5000lb car and it burns 2kwhr / mi and a 2500lb car and it burns 1kwhr / mi, which is more efficient?
So, are they still together? Or are these old videos being uploaded now?
Yeah. It was just a joke with Anna. They fooled us all!! 😂😂
Your saying that “range doesn’t matter only charging” only holds water when there are actually chargers that work. I had a recent trip around St. Louis and it was unbelievable how bad charging was
It is a little strange and funny for me, when you call your dog Walter, because it is the name of my dad. Nice dog by the way.
It’s hard to believe you still had 69% in Dicks NE. Impressive to say the least.
you might say it was nice
As to Kyle's comment about, "How can Audi expect to sell cars without signing on to the Tesla charging network [like many other manufacturers]" -- As the owners of the Electrify America network, I doubt Volkswagen Group would switch to the Tesla network or NACS connector.
Ooops. They just did
Because we are not ready 100% electronic sources out there. We picked the Audi Hybrid Q5. In 6+ years we will go for 100% electric.
Efficiency in EVs comes from reducing the effective series resistance in every power component as much as possible.
Nice Video, include a Tesla Model X and BMW IX and i will be happy :D
He’s already tested both of those cars if you search through the channel. In fact his long range test was a huge motivator for me to purchase my iX over the Model X about six months ago!
@@darylpitts390 Thanks for the infos. But if you want to compare you have to drive them at the same day, because temperature, traffic, and wind direction can have a big infuenece on range. If the wind is bad and it is cold outside the range can quickly lower by 50%.
Kyle, I bet you may get >300 miles in the Q8 e tron if it was AC charged to 100%?. Bjorn showed us that when DC fastcharging the Q8 he could only get the SOC up on his OBD to only 99-100kw when the total usable capacity is 106kw. Perhaps due to cell balancing? I wonder if there is a limit via DC charging to thermal management? It would be interesting to test and a content idea for you to make your next video! Btw, I notice 0.1-0.2kw/mi greater efficiency in my Q8 s line "launch edition" vs my old 2021 prestige which is slightly more efficient than the 2019
Why did your range @ 14:55 go from 246 miles to 255 miles after you reset long term memory? How did you end up getting advertised 290 EPA at the end of the test when at first it was 255 @ 100%??
I think it's hard to beat the old one with the price right now.
Just got a 19 prestige with 28k miles for $31k. The level of car you are getting for the money is pretty hard to beat.
@@roman9762 wow, that’s a great deal. Where’d you find it?
@@chrisconover I'm in Utah, we have several dealers with them in that price range. All lease returns from California. Specifically: Rands Auto Sales
@@roman9762 did you take the car to another dealer before purchasing to check for battery or other issues?
@@chrisconover I didn't, but these do come with 4/50k bumper to bumper and 8/100k mile battery warranty from Audi. If I was paying $45-60k for one of these like they were a year ago I'd be more concerned but at $30k, it's not the end of the world
You have sports suspension on your Q8 Kyle, Elissa has normal😉
Yay Walter!
I have a 2022 E-Tron (non-S-line and non-Q8). And long range driving is still not ideal. We only get about 215 miles range with about 2.4mi/kwh. Only thing I do not like about the E-Tron. And I don’t really care too much about charging speeds, in as much as I care about range and efficiency.
What is the name of color on new audi etron
Did anyone else picture him doing armpit farts when Alyssa references Kyle’s musical background?
Kyle you are always so happy looking! Are you ever mad?
About the Charging faster, I was actually impressed that old etron at 97% only has about 86 KW while the new etron at 96% (while much slower) has a 106 kw battery (about 20 more) Not sure what the usable is, and the fact it has a 20kw larger battery and only 60 lb more... Yeah. DOnt' diss charing on new etron Kyle: you'd never charge to more than 120-150 miles of range anyways :) So, why diss new etron charge curve? May not hold 60 kw tp 100 but... Does it need to and how will battery life compare over long term? We don't know that (but we could guess)
As for the Looks: I think the Sportback is good looking So, yeah. But its more money too. More for less on SUV? :) Would like to see difference between SUV & SPortback in miles (doubt its worht the extra $3k? something like that)
Good video, though. Value of used etrons is INSANE now and there are plenty of them! Good first EV if you can find one in good conditions (and I'd recomend over a Tesla? only other car I'd say to get price-wise would be if youcan find a good Chevy Volt (or is it bolt... I forget which is EV and PHEV)
Alyssa e-tron have a tire issue? Dash shows the tire pressure indicator looks on.
I see the tire swap caused the tire low icon. Had to watch to the end.
TPMS sensor broken on Alyssa's e-tron?
Audi doesn't use TPMS. It looks like it just wasn't reset after they adjusted the pressures at the beginning of the video.