Exhausted Rant: I Am Ditching My Intel 14900K Because of Stability and Going Team Red / AMD 7950X3D
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- čas přidán 1. 05. 2024
- I'm seeing the light and going AM5. I also have some future potential PC upgrades, so I can finally post a mini-setup tour.
- Hry
Just going to pin this here. Yes I've already tried a different set of memory. I am also well aware of the overpressure problems experienced with either a contact frame or CPU cooler. I originally tried just thumb tight and less so on the cooler and backed off the threads with the frame before I put the stock tension bar frame on. Should have touched on it as something I specifically did while troubleshooting that other stuff. I am on the latest BIOS, I always update shortly after any release because I wanted to ensure that if any fixes came out, I was on it. Here's another small rant about how long I have been messing with Intel CPUs in general and how the band-aid fix of the new BIOS to limit power is just tanking the performance on these chips.
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All my problems went away after I turned off all the Asus AI overclocking bs. Stable as a rock now. DDR5, 6000MT
This I am pretty sure linus or Jay addressed this, the motherboards automatically set to some insane unlimited voltage draw that ends up thermally throttling some parts
same case here
@@budley8539 Jay's undervolting guide was great as well. That's where I learned to turn off the bios Asus settings
yeah im on amd and that asus ai tuner crap caused me problems it ran my cpu at 1.5 volt ran so hot even under a nzxt 360mm aio
Yes come to Ryzen side we have cup cakes 🎂 👹
the entire 14th gen is a joke anyway. its not even 14th gen. its just a slightly better binned 13th gen. everything else is the same. except the power consumption. that sky rocketed
Overclocks, it fails, Damm you Intel!!! 😂😂😂
Your running 55c at idle and your AIO isn’t mounted right (tubes on bottom when vertically mounted, not on top) and should be on top of the case anyway. Heat rises, remember?
So you overheated the chip since buying it, CPU dies and it’s someone else’s fault?
Not saying Intel doesn’t have its issues (Been using AMD 20 years) but your PC building basics aren’t there.
I also have the 7950x3D, I don't use the scheduler that comes with the drivers. I found it easier just to do every thing with process lasso. to be honest you really don't even need to mess around with choosing what programs you want the cores to use unless you're playing games and only want them to use the 3D VCash.
im grateful that i went with i7 14700k instead of the i9 14900k my i7 14700k is running fine no stability issues and crashes yet.
if it turns out that the ram isn't the issue, talon's tech made a video on a possible fix for the crashing
Following the issue closely. I have a 13700k and monitoring for degredation as well. Recently made some proactove bios changes such as limiting to 253 watts and 245 amps. Sorry this is happening to you, i don't blame you at all for switching to AMD. TBH I will remember this debacle when I'm upgrading my CPU in the next 3-4 years, and it will have a significant impact on whatever decision I make.
This is related to motherboard vendors lowering IA AC loadline with newer bioses. They lower AC loadline to lower the power consumption, improving scores, but the stability goes to shit. You just have to correct the AC loadline yourself. On my gigabyte I had to set it to 0.600 mohm. BIOS would default it at 0.400 which was too low. The chips are fine, mb vendors are shitting the bed with these tweaks.
That's nice to hear. If you did everything you could and it's still giving you problems, swapping to amd sounds perfectly logically.
some what unrelated but my Asus strix bored pumps 1.540 volt to my Ryzen 9 3900xt Asus has been way overvolting for years even on amd and it cause stability problems for me and when i turned down the voltage my cpu started truboin alot higher clocks and never had blue screens after and oddly it would under volt my 4000mhz teforce ram when docp was on and not boot bc of it
Switching next upgrade as well.
i sorted mine, the motherboard was making it pull way too much power. tweaked the settings now i'm sipping 70 watts in game and 190 watts in multi threaded bench.
Intel hot chips. I switched to ryzen. Now i get stable temps even on high loads, Ryzen CPU's are a beast
So I hear you've already undervolted your CPU and disabled enhancements, which is what I thought I was going to recommend when I saw the thumbnail. But you clearly know what you're doing and I'm not here to preach like some IT god. I didn't hear you mention a bios update though. Sometimes memory will have the same issue you're talking about when its a set that released after the motherboard was packaged. A bios update could update the xmp profile for your memory and then retrain it for your system. You literally said not to comment telling you what to do but if you haven't ditched the system yet, a bios update is worth a shot before spending any more money.
I'm putting 253watts into my 13900k getting 5.8-6ghz average and no problems. Go to AI tweaker, find the turbo or boost function, next to that is a "tau" something function that will allow over 1000amps of power on initial boost...
That's over 1000watts buddy.
Turn that off, let me know how it runs.
No, sorry but you don't just give up using a processor like this because it has "stability problems". Apparently you've not tried disabling motherboard features or undervolting manually. Asus MOBOs have that "AI Overclock" that can easily cause issues if you don't pay attention.
These cpu's are defective.
According to Chinese forum Chiphell, only 1 in 5 14900K will work properly.
You might as well chuck that cooler as well LMAO
Sorry this happened to you. :( I'm hoping they do a refund and recall.
Yeah I am going team red as well. What the fuck happened to the Intel I knew growing up?
I am pissed too with a 13900k! I am very tempted to go to microcenter and get a 7950x3d but it will be $1300 to replace the board, cpu, and aio since I threw out there AMD brackets. I used to hate on AMD but my Intel will be my last. If I didn’t buy a new car last year and were paying off credit card debt I would be at microcenter right now
cooler is too tight q code 55... you have to play with the seating pressure of the coolers on these 13th and 14th gen mobos as there traces are very temperamental from the amount of force being applied to such a thin pcb these mobo companys are pushing these days... try letting the pump just sit on the IHS with no screws torqued down also since you replaced the original latch you may have that screwed down too tight as well into the backing plate... you'll have to play with them both to get them dialed in just right and keep trying until it boots and you get it not to hang on any q codes... i feel your frustration and good luck.
You can change the display to show codes or CPU temp on those boards. I have mine set at CPU temp.
Looks like it’s idling at 55c and he doesn’t have his AIO mounted right either, tubes need to be on the bottom if vertically mounted.
He smoked the CPU overheating it and is now crying about it.
Feel free to ditch your mb vendor. They are by far the most cluless of them all.
its crazy how these board manufacturers can be so lazy when it comes to the bios. how does a 4k amp limit get approved as ok? insane. at 1.4v, that means it will let the board attempt to run 5600 watts.
Intel is way worse since a while, it really began around the i9 10900k. I've had too the 14900k, another friend too, we both had massive problem with it and switched to an older intel cpu . But my next will most probably be an AMD cpu.
QCode 55 is problem with RAM. Change RAM or maybe just one is dead
This is a cpu problem no matter what the lights say.
Intel: Why we are the best? you just put the CPU in and it just works
2 months later - Yeah our best CPU is gonna shit itself in 2 months 😂
Not trying to deter you, but I you might (if you haven't already) consider the 7950x over the x3d model- depending on your use. . but let me welcome you to the dark side 😈 You really wont be disappointed
4TB Gen4 > 2TB Gen5 ... Big time. Don't bother "upgrading" that.
wish i could do the same but buying another high end motherboard will kill my wallet.
Never Touched OC Never Will, Sorry Bro
13th and 14th gen seem to have too aggressive voltage settings, they're degrading very fast. Intel has a big problem. A lot of these chips are dying already.
RMA the CPU bro. There are plenty of defective 14900ks.
Have same situation with 13900k, Intel is bad processor
Cmon bro ( open arms) let’s talk about the 7900xtx…
Come join the red team, water is fine
dont switch to am5,ive been running it since launch and it has a shit ton of issues that people will not mention,random bsod(Luckily it hasnt done it for the last week),random restarts, and it even overheating while rendering, cooler is not the issue as its on a custom water loop that isn't even 4 month old yet, and the ram timings over 5500 tend to be extremely unstable(at least in my experience)
Sounds like you have bad hardware. So instead of rma'ing it you're going to switch to known defective cpu's?
@@pf100andahalf already tested out two different cpus and had the same issues, also did that with the motherboard,power supply, drives and RAM and still have the same issues
@@TheRealNeoFrancois So you're saying that all amd hardware bsod's and rma'ing it won't fix it. I have a 5800x3d and it just works. Maybe you can try that.
@@pf100andahalf I have multiple systems,am4 works just fine,but am5 is still a immature platform, doesn't mean it won't get better over time but personally I have had way too many issues with it to actually make me want to switch over completely,also PS,don't put words into people's mouths.
@@TheRealNeoFrancois The 13900/14900k are unstable, but people like yourself are saying to not go to amd because am5 is unstable which it definitely is not having the problems that intel are having right now.. So at that point you're just buying the name intel or amd, or in other words you're saying to buy whatever you're a fanboy of. That's what you're saying. I see this all the time that people will ignore the problems caused by something because they're a fan of it.
Intel is pushing their architecture too hard to 'win' benchmarks. That's really all it is. Now, people are forced to fiddle around with BIOS settings to fix the inevitable instability. AMD was more strategic, and came up with an ingenious way to improve performance without shoving tons of voltage down the CPU's throat. And whatever problems they had, they took the blame and did something about it. Intel on the other hand is like: "IT AIN'T ME!! But thanks for the cash, muhahahaha!"
yap yap yap
Join team red 😂
AM5 is a lot better since you can upgrade down the line to newer chip without changing the motherboard. Thats why i got 7800x3D for that reason. Also one of the best chips today.
This is why people need to stop building pc's as they have zero knowledge on how to fix it
Skill issue
I am pretty sure this is a skill issue. You go team red and enjoy that hot mess bro. I been chilling on a 13900KS since it was released and never had a stability issue even once. Learn how to properly configure your bios dude.
You must have missed the recent news where even running stock these intel cpu's are shown to not be stable, but sure, it's skill. Whatever.
Go to bed, wake up and make the video properly. Make me sick watching this. If something is not done right, better don’t do it.
AMd has more problems than Intel. Good luck :D
Just activate Intel Baseline profile and limit the cpu to its 253 Watt spec.
Enjoy your 14900k.
@@keithc2390 AMD CPUs also degrade and have more stability issues at the moment. You dont get rid of any problems when switching. Thats my point.
I got a 14900KS and it didnt crash for a month. No degradation yet. But I use Direct Die cooling.
If you do that Intel is just insane good and you can run your CPU at full power.
@@Enigma_Real Intel and AMD should just release their own motherboards.
@@keithc2390 They dont degrade, they explode. Fair enough,
I use both. Intel runs much better. And I dont go deeper into that, since you can just google for all the issues around AMD5.
Just 1 thing. The 3D cache reaches 90C while the CPU only uses 75 Watts. Thats bad.
My Intel just runs like a chad, while I cant even activate XMP on the AMD Rig. And as Ive mentioned, Ive a direct die cooling on my Intel. I have 0 issues and can run the CPU on default specs. The difference to AMD is huge then.
Thats just how it is. If you use the wrong cooling, its not my problem. Beeing able to afford 14900K or KS and shit, shouldnt stop you from goin Direct Die cooling. Thats what you need if youre a full performance enjoyer.
@@Enigma_Real "The 3D cache reaches 90C while the CPU only uses 75 Watts. Thats bad." What's wrong with you, seriously. You're saying that a cpu that pulls 400 watts and needs a car radiator to cool it is better somehow?
@@pf100andahalf I got a 1000D. I have 3 58mm Radiators in push pull config. My PC is more cooled than your car and I think thats awesome. I can afford it. If you cant stick to what ever your budget can do. The 14900KS is an enthusiast chip, therefore you have to be enthusiast, not a regular conusmer that only knows the power button.
But whatever the CPU needs, thats nothing compared to Old School 3way SLI, when I bought my Watercooling Stuff. My most power hungry system had 3 2080TIs and a Threadripper. That computer drew 1300 Watts. A 4090 and a 14900ks only 850. So my Power consumption dropped hard.
But my recommendation is still Intel. Just take the 14700K, if youre not into custom builds. Still the better option than AMD. Thats a fact. If your goal is to have a computer that doesnt effect your electricity bill, then go AMD. But expect XMP clusterf...AND! you also need a good cooler for the 3D Cache. Thats also a fact.
Best regards.